Oh Wynski, yee of little faith… Teegeeack is in the able hands of David Miscavige. Oh wait…

If that little non-frightening “being” is in charge, we’re all so f***ing doomed!

Aqua, it is an F.O. Fighting isn’t an ethics offense if it is because someone is trying to do their job. Unless the person is seriously hurt. Then the charge could be, damaging an S.O. member.

Ok, I’ll tell you one. I was at FLB and working nights for some reason. Well, Noon- 3 a.m. I was asleep at 9 a.m. and the MAA came to where I lived in a rented flop house and said that I had to be at all org musters regardless of my work schedule and I needed to go to the org NOW and then return to sleep. So, I kneed him in the balls and pushed him backwards down the stairs (I was on 2nd floor). Then went back to sleep.

A red headed Canuk beating up a woman, and it wasn’t an ethics matter in the SO…buttons getting pressed all over the place here. Never read any such LRH policy but then I was never Sea Org and would not have been privy to those advices or PLs.

But Wynski, now, don’t downplay “just a handful of fights over a period of 4-5 years” because a few anecdotes of you taking no shit and punching out the lights of some Sea Org bullies would key us all out, I think. Seriously, I’ve never wanted to be a man but when I would hear this stuff I would long to be Cat Woman or Wonder Woman or some powerful Amazon, or I would long to be able to conjure up a Dirty Harry to handle it…visceral reactions not characteristic of my usual self. I’m glad you kicked some bullies’ asses and had a few “Make My Day” moments, Wynski.

But, then, I understand that you might not want to reveal your identity to OSA. No worries 🙂

thanks, Darlin. 🙂 🙂 I’m very happy to be free of it. And someday I want to be able to be out and able to shout! I could be out now, but I’d have to give up my family, my job and income sources, my spouse, various relatives, the friends and all the people I’ve known and worked with for almost 40 years…

I’m forging other friends and renewing old friendships and making inroads to all kinds of other things, oh, many lovely people and doings. 🙂 I have some brand new friends who I have confided in.

and

I have you guys.

🙂 🙂

p.s. I just ran across a reference that in 2009, Scientology announced that “OT IX Orders of Magnitude and OT X, Character” – giving them names – “will be a reality in the near future.”

So apparently they are at least as far along as having names for the levels. And typically, Scientology apparently gauges time in terms of spans of trillions of years, where the meaning of a reference like “near future” is an indeterminately long span of time.

Also, old-timer Ken Ogger (the Pilot) speculated that OT IX and X would be the “old” OT4, 5 ,6 and 7 repackaged – I don’t know enough about those old levels, to gauge how they would fit with the titles released.

“And knows it”….knows WHAT…….? What do I know, you haven’t shared anything with me.

“Like our Quality Aduitors”…..do I like them….I don’t know, I’ve never met one….

SORRY….the Amish woman Mary’s husband Chester is so very LOYAL to the “old Amish ways “…he reprimands her telling her that her behavior is causing him harm.
I inadvertently put him in CO$….God forbid…

Wynski, that’s an interesting account. It shows the sort of bare-knuckled ethical approach that L. Ron “Nibs” Hubbard, Jr. recounted as going back to Dianetics and Scientology’s early days. That’s representative of the underlying utilitarian, Crowley-inspired brutalistic philosophy that “big beings” and the powerful can justifiably exert whatever means necessary to meet their ends.

Bruce, thanks for your comments, which add a lot of inside information and insight.

I have wondered if Miscavige, or some of the other technical staff like Mithoff, weren’t issuing pronouncements about the upper levels, while hoping that something would finally work out, from getting ahold of supposed materials that Broeker had, to the reincarnated Hubbard himself showing back up on the scene. My observation is that there is sometimes that sort of “postulating” even at upper management levels, rising to a level that would normally be considered “magical thinking.”

Incidentally, one of the stories I’ve heard floating around, is that Broker buried the materials, but when they were dug back up they were rotted and useless. At least that has the makings of a great myth, about how the technology to save mankind was lost.

And I have also wondered, if the end of surveillance on Broeker, wasn’t a sign that Scientology had finally made a deal with him, perhaps buying his continued silence in exchange for enough money to retire nicely on. It also occurs to me that perhaps Broeker’s power play all along was to lead Miscavige and others to believe that he had materials or knowledge that held the key to the upper OT levels, when that was really just a bluff – and maybe he finally admitted that.

It seems to me that OT IX and OT X could be fairly easily constructed with ongoing revelations about how thetans have been “mocking up” things all along, perhaps combined with a rehash of some of Hubbard’s early materials about games and universes (which seem to quite appeal to some of the independents) to answer the question about an OT’s existence left hanging in OT VIII. Throw in a bit of the processing guaranteed to put a well-trained Scientologist into a post-auditing type “high,” and that should leave people relating typical great “wins” about their expanded beingness and everything.

Also, the great revelation they could give people, that apparently even Hubbard didn’t get, was that they’ve been mocking up their body thetans – and their past lives, as well. Or maybe I’m getting beyond OT X – can I get work doing this? Then of course there’s the revelation, that you’ve been mocking up your mocking up….or is that the true SP cog?

To me, this all harkens back to the concept of Māyā, the “illusion” or “magic” of physical existence that hides spiritual reality, in Hinduism and Buddhism – from which Hubbard likely plagiarized it, and possibly even just secondhand through sources like Theosophy and Thelema:

“Whoever is unacquainted with my law and dies in that state, must return to the earth till he becomes a perfect Samanean [Shaman, philosopher-magician]. To achieve this object, he must destroy within himself the trinity of Maya. He must extinguish his passions, unite and identify himself with the law (the teaching of the secret doctrine) and comprehend the religion of annihilation. Here annihilation refers but to matter.”

— Attributed to Buddha in “Isis Unveiled: Secrets of the Ancient Wisdom Tradition” by Madame Helena Blavatsky (co-founder of Theosophy)

“The Hindus enumerate Brahma, infinite in all dimensions and directions – indistinguishable from the Pleroma of the Gnostics – and Maya, illusion. This is in a sense the antithesis of noumenon and phenomenon, noumenon being negated of all predicates until it becomes almost extinguished in the Nichts under the title of Alles.”

— “Berashith: An Essay in Ontology” by Aleister Crowley (the quotation is a bit obscure – but similar to Hubbard’s later oblique pronouncements)