Get those kids before they can think…
Crazy Chicken Talk
This is really the best org in Canada? Their “stat” of “services” is not even a stat. They might as well have a graph titled “hype”… And of course, the massive crowds of 19 people are really impressive.
Dianetics “Bouncer” House?
In-joke for those who have read the book.
But seriously, they have to have a petting zoo and face painting to attract anyone to the Dianetics Event?
It’s impossible, tough or difficult….
If they have access to the internet.
How come Mr. Cliff Woods is not mentioned for what he is really known for? Being the head of the “International Finance Police” back in the heyday of Mission busting?
Magic happens
Things disappear right before your eyes. Like your bank balance…
An Admin Scale…
To create an “ideal org.” If it was that easy why hasn’t everyone done this?
Forwarding the future release of OT IX and X…
By giving money? Wonder how that works?
How inspiring….
Think he is going to hand over any money to them? Probably not. So, what IS he going to do? Just tell everyone else to hand it over…
Anything to get some “bodies in the shop”
Though I must admit, archery and cannons is more enticing to me than a petting zoo and Bouncer house…
What a way to spend Mother’s Day
At the PAC canteen! Wow!
Just where we need a new Mission
You know there is a “South Coast Mission” right? And as you say, 3 ideal orgs…
On the other hand, there is nothing in the entire state of Iowa. Or about 20 other states?
This is SMI’s plan to “Clear Earth”? Nobody need worry that’s ever going to happen.
It’s about time
They have been “ideal” for 12 years. And now they are starting to recruit for St Hill Size…. Good going guys.
And at one Clear a week, they should have London wrapped up in about 175,000 years.
Yes
And with good reason
Where are these people?
If they are so competent and so OT, how come they are failing so miserably? Hubbard excuse was that he was all alone and needed to be with other OTs.
Hahahaha
Yeah, it took them 13 years to become “ideal”, they should be St Hill Size in about 25 years… Just look at how fast London has not done it.
Huh?
The top two whales for UK Ideal Orgs have nothing to do with the UK?
Scientology lecturing on intolerance and human rights
Should be entertaining.
At the “Intolerance, Human Rights, and the Holocaust” event, will it be just like the CCHR ‘museum’ in that they’ll tell you that the Holocaust was 100% caused by the evil cabal of international psychiatrists?
“And knows it” “Like our quality Auditors”………scheeezzz….incomplete sentences to say the least.
“And knows it”….knows WHAT…….? What do I know, you haven’t shared anything with me.
“Like our Quality Aduitors”…..do I like them….I don’t know, I’ve never met one….
The one thing I’m trying to figure out, is how they claim all the “highest evers.” Sometimes when it is just one that they claim, it’s possible to parse out something like that it’s in relation to a new release that doesn’t have much history, like the GAT II (released 2012, I think) materials and courses – but usually there’s some stretch of the facts, that can be parsed out. Does anyone know, just exactly how they’re fudging the numbers these days.
And those graphs heading straight up, must be from some pretty limited period of time – like from one Thursday after 2pm, when the push is off momentarily and they’re regrouping, to the next Thursday at 2pm when they’re in another final push for stats. Unless we’re really missing something, the actual long-term trends for anything (except maybe those new releases) have got to be down, probably way down.
I do find it a useful exercise to see just how Scientology figures out how to say something that misleads but isn’t actually untrue in the strictest sense, because then sometimes when they claim something less obviously false, I notice where they may be stretching the truth. It’s a bit like dealing with a child who’s gotten old enough to be devious, or a wayward employee – unless they’re a real sociopath, they have some conscience about out-and-out lying, and so try to shade what they say in a way that can be justified to themselves as not really a fib.
Gosh that 8 pointed Chaos Star just looms over everything, doesn’t it? All shiny and bright?
My very own Thursday Funny: I got a letter from Harlem Org today.
I’ve never been there or bought anything from them so why do they have my address? It’s a suppressive act to give away or share an org’s mailing list, and someone has given away and shared MY name and address.
It’s addressed to me by name, and under that it says, “Or Current Resident”. Another policy violation – it’s in NO way appropriate for a random person living at any old address. (using scn terms to raw public is a serious ethics offence)
“Hello, This is Jan Bannon, Flag-Trained Class V Senior C/S on the East Coast. As of this week, I have authorized and ordered a one-time only proposition for Scientologists, in order to facilitate the fast-approaching Saint Hill Size status of Harlem Org”
____
This is not for raw public. She’s the Senior C/S on the East Coast, yet Class V is as high as she’s trained? Guess they really HAVE given up on Class VI and Class VIII.
Here’s her offer, which violates HCO PL The Vital Necessity of Hatting, as well as numerous other policies and lectures by hubbard, which warn direly against giving full time training to brand new staff:
“Thus, the following has been authorized for any person who comes onto Harlem staff before 8 June 2017:
Any person who joins staff now and wishes to go onto the Tech Training Corps (TTC), will be granted this privilege, given they complete Staff Status II and do join staff before June 8, 2017
Any pre-Golden Age of tech (prior to 1996) trained Auditor or Supervisor will be given a full revitalization program, including clean-up of any past technical confusions, and enrollment on the TTC for Golden Age of Tech Phase II training.”
(All of these offers are exactly the opposite to what old hubbard clearly laid out in a bunch of places)
……….
Yeah, we want this letter to go to “current resident”.
…..
I used to be such a stickler for “exact standard tech and policy”, and it’s funny to see the whole place go so “squirrel”, but it’s funnier still to be able to see and know that it’s not “squirreling LRH policy” that is doing them in. It’s all going to Hell because Clear and OT and the rest are a pack of lies.
Oh, and at the top in bold red letters it proclaims:
URGENT NOTIFICATION – PLEASE READ
..well I’ve done them a favor and let you good people know about this one time offer to proudly and boldly throw the LRH out the window.
🙂
Wow :secret”….this sounds like an total act of CO$ desperation to get ANYONE in the door. Someone has to be keeping track of where people are currently living, easy to find out just by googling someone’s name.
The “current resident” thing I think is hilarious!! It’s almost like sending a letter “To Whom It May Concern”…I am so seriously laughing right now about that.
Simply cut off your name and address and make a paper airplane out of it. What desperate bastards they are to stool so low as to do this.
I am so PROUD of you honey!! Yell from the roof tops when you are ready…I AM FREE OF CO$!!!
thanks, Darlin. 🙂 🙂 I’m very happy to be free of it. And someday I want to be able to be out and able to shout! I could be out now, but I’d have to give up my family, my job and income sources, my spouse, various relatives, the friends and all the people I’ve known and worked with for almost 40 years…
I’m forging other friends and renewing old friendships and making inroads to all kinds of other things, oh, many lovely people and doings. 🙂 I have some brand new friends who I have confided in.
and
I have you guys.
🙂 🙂
Am I the first to notice that the fancy scroll has a serious grammar error?
It should be “work…which is forwarding” not “work…which are forwarding”.
Someone is not Cause Over English here…
My Dodgers are playing the Rockies in Colorado. I wonder if they opened up their parking lot for a little extra cash.
Apparently the Denver OT’s postulated the Rockies to win as they did 10-7. More proof the tech works.
My favorite comment:
“If they are so competent and so OT, how come they are failing so miserably?”
My favorite jokes:
Attend the FreeWinds… When Scientologists come together
Magic happens!
Things disappear right before your eyes. Like your bank balance…
SCN must really know that they have sunk to the gutter when they have to have a seminar to instruct their sheep how to tell people you are part of an evil cult. When I left SCN 35 years ago I hid my past involvement from everyone because it was so embarrassing. That was from the 80’s onwards. Imagine what SCN’ers must feel like now. Imagine going to a “wog family” gathering like Thanksgiving and too ashamed to talk about the wonderful cult you belong to. No wonder people would rather disconnect from their family than have to defend the cult’s insanity. After Going Clear, Leah’s and Mike’s Aftermath and almost daily devastating news articles they must feel horribly embarrassed.
I must say though, I feel sorry for the Body Routers, marching the streets for hours trying to bring people into their org and constantly being told NO because it is a cult. They bring no one in and their “bodies in the shop” stat is constantly down. Perhaps though with enough truth being told to them, they will read the internet and leave.
I almost want to go there just to ask the guy, “what do I say when my wog friends start asking me about some dude named Xenu and exploding volcanoes and shit?”
“No, no, I didn’t believe him, but then he played me a tape on YouTube of Ron talking about DC-8s and DeMille mo-shun PIC-shahs!”
Yeah, forget it.
I love their very accurate slogan: Many are called. Few are chosen.
It must be on the walls of their call centers. Just imagine how many calls they make. I get carpal burning just thinking about it and I’m a never-in. “Many are called. Many hang up.”
I hate to be the harbinger of bad news, but your civilisation building is not going well at all, guys. Check out the latest stats on people with depression or anxiety or autism, the high school dropout rate, the number of drug-addicted, or how about people starving outside the U.S.
Hi mike,
Thank you for keeping the site going.
Since you don’t have time your comments on the funnies are getting better not worse
Is this this just my idea?
Its true. “Things disappear right before your eyes. Like your bank balance.” 🙂
Thank you for being a funny guy, Mike.
I hate to tell the OT VIII who just shelled out money for a mission package (and apparently also a lot of advance payments for services for his family), but there used to be a mission in Long Beach – back in the 1970s when Scientology was actually expanding and the missions booming, at least until the late 1970s when “baby bust” and other demographic trends (along with internal mismanagement) helped put Scientology into inevitable decline. There is probably a very good reason that the original Long Beach mission failed. Does anyone have any idea how active it actually was, and when it died? (it rings a bell from years ago, but when I went looking I could only find evidence of its being incorporated in 1973 by Anthony “Tony” Wyant , and being on a list of missions in 1979).
It’s sad, actually, to see someone sucked into wasting their resources and their family’s, on a fading illusion that is only likely to cause them anguish and regret.
Somewhere around ’72-’74 Tony’s mission was fairly active; new people all the time, people on course, co-auditing and even several buying auditing packages. The whole Chicago gang was there on staff: Dave Parker, the Noll brothers, Ed Mooney, Craig Bell. It didn’t do as well as, say, David Stokes’ Fresno mission or the ones up in the Bay Area, but certainly a hell of a lot better than any “mission” today.
Are You Afraid to Bring Up Scientology With Friends?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, just leave, then your friends will be talking about it nonstop.
@Valerie…the ones STILL on the inside will be talking about it non stop too….”Hey, did you hear so & so BLEW…OMG, I can’t believe that, he/she LEFT ALL THIS????
These people really don’t have much confront to begin with. Imagine a cult member trying to talk to a wog who knows a little bit about Scientology.
Cult member: Hi! Can I tell you about Scientology?
Wog: 75 million years ago, this planet was known as Teegeeack. It was a prison planet. An evil galactic overlord named Xenia, could be spelled Xemu, was elected to be the supreme ruler. But he had an over population problem and…
Cult member: Noooooooooooooooooooo! While running back inside.
So, can someone please help me here? I’ve grown confused over the years (like a lot of Oatee 8’s, I’m sure) about what needs to occur to trigger the release of Oatee 9 & 10 and what the rationale is that’s been used to explain why withholding them in the first place makes good scientological sense.
Can anyone help me out here? I’ve become spinny and feel kind of squashed, but perhaps that’s due to having been stably exterior from $cn for so long? (please, no “helpful” suggestions that I clay demo my way to enlightenment!)
Harpoona, you want the truth? You probably can’t handle the truth.
At various times Dave has said that they must have a certain number through or on OT VII before the release. Other times it was a certain number of orgs up to Ideal status. Other times it was coming out next year (2001 I think). I think he even said that all the OTs had to get through their Basics, or Basics and Survival Rundown. Other times he had other excuses.
Of course, if he really had something to offer that he could pass off as OT 9 and 10 he would have done it by now. He needs something to keep the whales engaged. No whales, no massive donations. No massive donations, no private jets and pool parties for Dave. It is a simple equation.
The sad truth is (brace yourself) his only hope of coming up with OT 9 and 10 is the Senior C/S Int, Ray Mithoff. And Ray couldn’t invent a new mousetrap if his life depended on it. He is too beaten down from decades under Dave’s thumb.
But what? You say – What about the blindingly brilliant new tech in L Ron Hubbard’s last folders? Can’t they just compile what Ron was doing in his last days and release that???
Well, anybody who wants to be like Ron in his last days is truly lost in the Koolaid for good. And if you really believe the hard core Koolaid and want to follow Ron, according to the briefing we got when he died, you will be following him to the death. For they said he was doing an OT level that “cannot be done in the body” when he willingly “dropped it” (died) in 1986. Sadly they never said if that was OT Eleven or 15 or 42. If he “willingly dropped his body” by self-inducing a massive stroke, I for one do not want to go that way. In any case, Scientology literally leads to a dead end.
But even so, somehow those magic folders have either disappeared or never existed. Supposedly Pat Broeker had them after Ron died. Pat tried to set himself up as Ron’s successor and Dave shut him down. So they were not on good terms. Dave had private investigators hounding Pat Broeker full time for decades. He tapped Pat’s phone. He sneaked onto Pat’s property and searched for these folders. Either Pat destroyed them or they never were. David Mayo is also alienated, no help there.
The only OT 9 and 10 we will ever see will be a fabrication. A fantasy cooked up by Dave and Ray and whoever else they can get to “research” it out.
Just like all the rest of them.
Bruce Ploetz, I bet we could come up with some really good material for OT 9 & 10… even better than they could, since they obviously can’t…or won’t.
Thanks! No wonder I couldn’t remember which explanation was currently operable…it’s constantly morphed over time. Like a golden theta carrot being dangled just beyond grasp, Oatee 9 & 10 are all that’s left of the fond hope and cherished dream of finally gaining real super powers and “escaping the trap forever” for all the aging whales and celebs who’ve been stalled on the bridge for years.
“Of course, if he really had something to offer that he could pass off as OT 9 and 10 he would have done it by now.”
That’s my bet too!
I’m pretty sure OT9 is theory about thetans and electricity. It’s where you learn to hook up the e-meter to a generator. On OT10 you get to turn the generator on, grab the cans, and electro-shock yourself to an exterior state ( dropping the body in the process.)
It can only be done on the Freewinds; mainly so they can throw your dead body overboard into the sea.
I am not a big expert on the OT levels, never even made it to Clear in the 30 odd years I was involved. But OT VIII seems to end with quite the cliff hanger,. Something like “Knows who he is not and is interested in finding out who he is” or something. Apparently a lot of the lower levels were handling somebody else, now you get to take on the real thing, the real you. Or something like that.
So your OT levels above VIII must be the real thing, finally, no more fooling around, take it to the limits, this time FOR SURE! Like the old OT levels before the “new” New Era Dianetics for OTs versions came out. Retreads of the old Route 1 from the “Creation of Human Ability”. Taking tours in space, flying through the rings of Saturn, scanning your body for problems and fixing them, Just like that.
All that old cool stuff that Clears were supposed to be able to do. Problem is, they weren’t able to do that kind of thing in the 50s, nor in the 60s after the “first real clear”, nor in the 70s after the OT III stuff, nor in the 80s after the “Year of Technical Breakthroughs”. Hubbard could never do them.
That could be because they are impossible.
But I’m sure Dave will come up with something. If the word ever got out that the OT levels are a lie, that would cut into profits a bit. Eventually.
Bruce, thanks for your comments, which add a lot of inside information and insight.
I have wondered if Miscavige, or some of the other technical staff like Mithoff, weren’t issuing pronouncements about the upper levels, while hoping that something would finally work out, from getting ahold of supposed materials that Broeker had, to the reincarnated Hubbard himself showing back up on the scene. My observation is that there is sometimes that sort of “postulating” even at upper management levels, rising to a level that would normally be considered “magical thinking.”
Incidentally, one of the stories I’ve heard floating around, is that Broker buried the materials, but when they were dug back up they were rotted and useless. At least that has the makings of a great myth, about how the technology to save mankind was lost.
And I have also wondered, if the end of surveillance on Broeker, wasn’t a sign that Scientology had finally made a deal with him, perhaps buying his continued silence in exchange for enough money to retire nicely on. It also occurs to me that perhaps Broeker’s power play all along was to lead Miscavige and others to believe that he had materials or knowledge that held the key to the upper OT levels, when that was really just a bluff – and maybe he finally admitted that.
It seems to me that OT IX and OT X could be fairly easily constructed with ongoing revelations about how thetans have been “mocking up” things all along, perhaps combined with a rehash of some of Hubbard’s early materials about games and universes (which seem to quite appeal to some of the independents) to answer the question about an OT’s existence left hanging in OT VIII. Throw in a bit of the processing guaranteed to put a well-trained Scientologist into a post-auditing type “high,” and that should leave people relating typical great “wins” about their expanded beingness and everything.
Also, the great revelation they could give people, that apparently even Hubbard didn’t get, was that they’ve been mocking up their body thetans – and their past lives, as well. Or maybe I’m getting beyond OT X – can I get work doing this? Then of course there’s the revelation, that you’ve been mocking up your mocking up….or is that the true SP cog?
To me, this all harkens back to the concept of Māyā, the “illusion” or “magic” of physical existence that hides spiritual reality, in Hinduism and Buddhism – from which Hubbard likely plagiarized it, and possibly even just secondhand through sources like Theosophy and Thelema:
“Whoever is unacquainted with my law and dies in that state, must return to the earth till he becomes a perfect Samanean [Shaman, philosopher-magician]. To achieve this object, he must destroy within himself the trinity of Maya. He must extinguish his passions, unite and identify himself with the law (the teaching of the secret doctrine) and comprehend the religion of annihilation. Here annihilation refers but to matter.”
— Attributed to Buddha in “Isis Unveiled: Secrets of the Ancient Wisdom Tradition” by Madame Helena Blavatsky (co-founder of Theosophy)
“The Hindus enumerate Brahma, infinite in all dimensions and directions – indistinguishable from the Pleroma of the Gnostics – and Maya, illusion. This is in a sense the antithesis of noumenon and phenomenon, noumenon being negated of all predicates until it becomes almost extinguished in the Nichts under the title of Alles.”
— “Berashith: An Essay in Ontology” by Aleister Crowley (the quotation is a bit obscure – but similar to Hubbard’s later oblique pronouncements)
p.s. I just ran across a reference that in 2009, Scientology announced that “OT IX Orders of Magnitude and OT X, Character” – giving them names – “will be a reality in the near future.”
So apparently they are at least as far along as having names for the levels. And typically, Scientology apparently gauges time in terms of spans of trillions of years, where the meaning of a reference like “near future” is an indeterminately long span of time.
Also, old-timer Ken Ogger (the Pilot) speculated that OT IX and X would be the “old” OT4, 5 ,6 and 7 repackaged – I don’t know enough about those old levels, to gauge how they would fit with the titles released.
“Can’t they just compile what Ron was doing in his last days and release that???”
OT IX: Having your private doctor inject you with assfulls of Vistaril.
OT X: Stroking out.
Brilliant.
“Are you afraid to bring up Scientology with friends?”
Ummm, paranoid and petrified would be more like it.
This exercise in futility HAS to be a fishing expedition for UTRs, if ever there was one.
Even a number of Class V org STAFF members with whom I’m familiar are seemingly embarrassed to admit their cult connections as evidenced by – except for a “like” of LRH or Miscavige nestled amongst 150 other “likes” – no mention of Scientology whatsoever on their Facebooks, Twitters and other social media. And these staff members of whom I speak are the truest of the True Believers – staff members in the same org for 30 – 40 years! One would think they’d be proclaiming their love and affiliation to the rooftops after so many years on staff.
Too funny, and too sad, at the same time.
“Are you afraid to bring up Scientology with friends”…..
HELL NO!!!!…..I’d advise to.Stay the HELL Away From Them…..
I remember having to do dissemination drills on some course I took many years ago. I would drill with a twin. We would drill different situations where we would meet raw public and tell him about scientology. Of course in the course room things always work out. There was always a way to handle somebody’s negative origination about scientology.
So after I finished doing the drill to a good result, I had to go outside the org and actually talk to a stranger face-to-face about scientology. Fortunately the org I attended was in a city known for its diverse multi-cultural population. I would find people who couldn’t speak English very well. Turns out it’s pretty easy to talk about scientology to someone who can’t understand you!
It amazes me Sharron Weber is still hawking getting ready for OT IX and OT X. If Hubbard had indeed completed them then CoS would have released them decades ago.
Tom DeVocht says Miscavige told him that he, Miscavige, had to write OT IX and OT X.
Interesting, Bruce and Jonathan. Your posts just made it occur to me to wonder if Tom Cruise knows the truth about their being no OT 9 and 10. If not, someone should tell him.
(What do you mean? Of course, he’ll be able to handle it.)
Edit: “there” being, not “their”.
That’s right. So many sources have stated that Hubbard had not written up any higher OT level than OTVIII when he died. So 8 is the highest from “source”. Anything else will have to be fabricated by someone else.
I had an idea: they could hold a contest, where people could write up OT 9 & 10 ideas and submit them, kind of like the ‘fan fiction’ forums for Dr. Who TV show or others, and they can choose some of the best and make up the new levels. It would probably be better than whatever Miscavige could dream up.
South Park did a masterful job of pointing out that there is no more drivel to push down the throats of parishioners. That is, until they discover that Stan Marsh is the reincarnation of LRH. No matter what crap he wrote down, the members sucked it up.
Now, imagine Miscavige coming up with new drivel. Frightening.
hahaha!
David Miscavige, the guy who isn’t even a Cl. IV auditor, as “Source” for OT IX and X.
Oh, but He *could* have been a Cl. IV, but He slapped His PC in session and got booted off the internship, sending the Miscavige family back from Saint Hill to the ‘burbs of Philly.
Yes, ol’ Slappy. The Pope of Scientology.
Scientology is pretty much f***ked!
What does it matter Gus? All the Oat Tea levels are made up B.S. (which is why one has to be told about it before “auditing it”.) Does it really matter who wrote the scam?
Oh Wynski, yee of little faith… Teegeeack is in the able hands of David Miscavige. Oh wait…
If that little non-frightening “being” is in charge, we’re all so f***ing doomed!
Actually counting those names from the UK and getting about 300 is probably the number of Scientologists in existence in that country.
Pedro, per the UK census 300 is a bit high.
At least the Sea Org recruitment email makes a feeble attempt to allow recipients to opt out. (Although I’m betting anyone who tries that will hear back from a “concerned” SO member who has questions about the reasons for doing so.)
All of the fancy advertising, all of the big money, all of the braggadocio, all of the ostentatious buildings, their own yacht cruising the Caribbean and they have a visibly dwindling membership. Probably fewer than 20,000 worldwide.
In contrast: There are nearly 251,000 Amish people in America and Canada, according to Ohio State University researchers. That’s more than double the estimated population in 1989 of about 100,000. Researchers estimate the population will double again to half a million within about 21 years.
Just a little tidbit I picked up from an internet search.
You OSA bots reading these posts for Dave should really stand back and take a good look at some real WHYs for your failures.
Some of the more deluded Scientologists have claimed membership numbers as high as 10 million. I also did a search, and found Methodists in the US claim 9 million members. Most of us (in the United States at least) live near a Methodist Church, and have seen enough of them that their presence isn’t considered anything unusual. Probably a majority of us have known at least one Methodist in our lives.
You can’t say the same for Scientology. They get a lot of attention, thanks to their abuses and antics, but their actual nationwide presence is miniscule compared to the Methodists. Or even the Mormons, with their five million in the US, or, even the Amish as you well pointed out.
And really, the only time Scn gets attention is when it’s connected to a celebrity. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people have never even heard of it, still.
Or maybe they heard or read the word, “Scientology”, but they ignored it and didn’t look further into it.
It’s an interesting point, that Scientology gets attention far out of proportion with their tiny size. It looks like at this point, they may even be smaller than Eckankar – the creating of another mid-century science fiction writer, who had experience with multiple practices including Scientology, but that most people have never heard of.
10 million was an official claim from decades ago, flimsily based on all the books sold and every minor contact made by Dianetics and Scientology in their first 40 or so years. People have continued to repeat it, because they can’t say anything that would contradict the claim of “expansion.”
According to a TV Show….Breaking Amish…a few have left & “gone English”….and one middle aged woman is somewhere in between, she wants to be Amish but not abide by the rules……Wow…imagine what would happen to her if she belonged to CO$….
IMO, “Breaking Amish is about as truthful as Davey Boy’s claimed stats. As far as the woman wanting to stay Amish but not be subject to their rules; Can’t happen, as the rules ARE the religion. (not that I really know despite growing up just the next county over.) It’s like wanting to be in SCN, but ignore the children posing as E/Os. YUP, And skip those 6-month interrogations, too. that’ll go over well, won’t it?
Exactly Jere….right now she was being “shunned” for doing what she wants to do, so in her opinion, she will keep doing what she wants to do since she is now “banned”. It affects her husband’s involvement since he is loyal to CO$. It is sad to see this man who is loyal still love his wife so deeply & continually warn her that what she is doing affects other family members.
It sounds so much like CO$, because of the “shunning”, i.e. “disconnection”…where the families can’t have anything to do with someone who is “shunned” in the Amish…& in Scientology it is forbidden to have contact with an SP/disconnected person.
None of this should be going on, yet it is so ingrained in their “religious doctrine” as in brainwashing, will it ever end….I think NOT.
SORRY….the Amish woman Mary’s husband Chester is so very LOYAL to the “old Amish ways “…he reprimands her telling her that her behavior is causing him harm.
I inadvertently put him in CO$….God forbid…
I wonder if that Founding member at Saint Hill is my misguided brother?
Your brother is still in? How sad, Pedro. How many decades has he logged?
I would love to attend the Medieval Fayre at Saint Hill Castle. I myself would make sure to attend the dog roast and the stalls. I am assuming that these are bathroom stalls.
As someone who drives past Cambridge Org almost daily, I can assure you it is not expanding. I always try to peek at the cars in the lot around back….few and far between.
YEA!!!
How To Talk to Friends About Scientology — or, Lying for Hubbard
I wonder how much of this seminar consists of straight-up exhortations to dissemble, prevaricate, misdirect, and every other synonym for lying. Let’s practice:
“That space alien stuff is nonsense, spread by haters.” Read it in Hubbard’s own chicken scratch and hear it in his own lip flapping performance.
“Ron was a genuine war hero and also liked dogs.” Read the evaluation by his commanding officer in Australia. Ask any dog what they think of Hubbard; you’ll get bitten.
“Our group is changing the world by giving out booklets about how to be happy.” Booklet allegedly written by a man with rotten teeth, but nonetheless exhorts good dental hygiene. With millions of people around the world who might begin to be happy if they have clean water and regular food, why a booklet?
“Matt Lauer doesn’t understand the history of psychiatry like Tom Cruise does.” Tom Cruise played a doctor in Eyes Wide Shut, and that’s as close as he’ll get to expertise on the subject.
“We’re the fastest growing and coolest religion.” Which is why you need a friggin’ seminar to convince you to choke back your embarrassment and speak out loud about being a member.
I would so love to hear one of these “How to talk to your friends about Scientology” seminars. I simply can’t imagine what they’d say.
I’m not sure they could say it with a straight face!
Yeah, me too. I’d have lots of good questions, like, “What do I tell my friends when they ask why David Miscavige’s wife hasn’t been seen at a Scientology event in 10 years?”
(OK, OK, a new public would not ask that. But its still a great question 🙂 )
“Are You Afraid to Bring Up Scientology With Friends”…..
HELL NO…..simply say: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM!!”
So, the way to happiness is just some of the 10 Commandments and common sense?
Basically. There’s “Set A Good Example”, and “Don’t Harm A Person Of Good Will”. Common sense, I suppose, but then, common sense is not that common. The Golden Rule has been tweaked to make it, in my opinion, more sensible, i.e. “TRY to do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
Josh Benks qualification to be a motivational speaker. He gave lots of money to the local cult org. Used to be you were able to do things and help people.
The be-do-have scale is now:
Have-have-have for the cult!
The Fire Phoenix eh? I guess the Ideal Moose must be in the RPF.
Scientology is so pathetic it is hard to watch.
Agreed, Mat. But it’s still fun to mock them!
gotta laugh at the Chicken Suit representing Cambridge. Nothing squawks Spiritual Freedom For Eternity like one of those low-budget local used car salesmen commercial gimmicks. I think I saw that chicken with a sledge hammer whapping cars and screaming, “we will not be undersold!!!”.
Have I toldja lately how glad I am to be away from this madness? 🙂
Cliff Woods.
Remember when you rolled a newspaper up and hit me on the side of my head during Messenger TRs until I passed?
“Reporting for duty, Sir”
“My relief is here, Sir”
WHACK
Yeah, I thought so.
Me:15 years old, 5′ 6″ and admittedly chubby going through puberty so I’d guess 130lbs.
Cliff: 40 years old, 6′ 2″ ( but when you look up it seems like 7′) and over 200lbs.
No one needs his “help”.
He should be in jail too. With Miscaviage.
Wow. And he’s going to lecture on how one talks to people about scientology. Ain’t gonna happen – not these days. “Scientology” = “Abusive, Mind Controlling Cult” Word has gotten out and will continue.
All the OT levels have been out since the mid 90s.
That so sucks Sarita. At least I was a guy. No Hubbtard trained criminal like that ever hit me without being hit much harder in return, several times.
Like Hubbtard, many “men” in the S.O. were craven cowards and would pick on girls and children.
Wynski, some day, if/when you’re ready and/or willing, your SO stories would be so interesting. I know I’d love to hear about you punching some SO bully’s lights out! I used to fantasize about being Wonder Woman when I witnessed what I considered bullying (verbal – I never saw any physical stuff). And the women were no slouches in the verbal bullying department – God, they were obnoxious. In fact, I could handle the SO men much better than I could the women.
FYI, not to say that the physical bullying didn’t exist; just that as a public I was never witness to it. I did see Class V staff and public screamed at, embarrassed, made totally wrong, face ripped, etc., about 5 times. Made me soooo angry. All the more so when I observed how meekly it was endured. Grrrrr…
Not much to tell Aqua, just a handful of fights over a period of 4-5 years. In the S.O. fighting wasn’t an ethics offense. After I was out a person told me that some guy at AOLA (a red headed Canuk) beat up a woman. Per El Ron men beating up women wasn’t something the guy could get sent to Dept. 3 for.
Shows his cowardice most starkly.
Wynski, that’s an interesting account. It shows the sort of bare-knuckled ethical approach that L. Ron “Nibs” Hubbard, Jr. recounted as going back to Dianetics and Scientology’s early days. That’s representative of the underlying utilitarian, Crowley-inspired brutalistic philosophy that “big beings” and the powerful can justifiably exert whatever means necessary to meet their ends.
A red headed Canuk beating up a woman, and it wasn’t an ethics matter in the SO…buttons getting pressed all over the place here. Never read any such LRH policy but then I was never Sea Org and would not have been privy to those advices or PLs.
But Wynski, now, don’t downplay “just a handful of fights over a period of 4-5 years” because a few anecdotes of you taking no shit and punching out the lights of some Sea Org bullies would key us all out, I think. Seriously, I’ve never wanted to be a man but when I would hear this stuff I would long to be Cat Woman or Wonder Woman or some powerful Amazon, or I would long to be able to conjure up a Dirty Harry to handle it…visceral reactions not characteristic of my usual self. I’m glad you kicked some bullies’ asses and had a few “Make My Day” moments, Wynski.
But, then, I understand that you might not want to reveal your identity to OSA. No worries 🙂
Aqua, it is an F.O. Fighting isn’t an ethics offense if it is because someone is trying to do their job. Unless the person is seriously hurt. Then the charge could be, damaging an S.O. member.
Ok, I’ll tell you one. I was at FLB and working nights for some reason. Well, Noon- 3 a.m. I was asleep at 9 a.m. and the MAA came to where I lived in a rented flop house and said that I had to be at all org musters regardless of my work schedule and I needed to go to the org NOW and then return to sleep. So, I kneed him in the balls and pushed him backwards down the stairs (I was on 2nd floor). Then went back to sleep.
Sarita, I’m so sorry you had to go through all that! I’ll tell what, I’m 6’2″ and 200 lbs. just point the asshole out to me. I’ll have a little chat with the him….
And as Mike pointed out, Cliff Woods should be known for what he did at the Mission Massacre in the ’80’s. He was the head of the Int Police which took out all the successful missions then. And I can tell from how he “coached” you on TR0 Bullbait, that he has an affinity for bullying, both young new recruits who aren’t even through puberty, and successful mission holders. We’re on to you, Cliff.
Tell it, Sarita! Child abuse and neglect is a holy sacrament to these vile Thetanists…always has been and always will be, until they’re STOPPED!
Scientology is truly an organization designed to suck in as many sadists as possible.
I am so enjoying this slow train wreck. People who enjoy physically or mentally abusing others deserve nothing but what we know is coming to them.
To those still in, build your case, record those conversations, use hidden video cameras. Whistleblowers will be treated well.
An Idle Morgue on Long Island, that’s funny. I guess the Demented Midget would like to open it in the Hamptons this summer when all the celebs are here in their summer mansions. The “org” is a 4th rate store front in a strip mall in Hicksville (yes, Hicksville). I don’t think even the Co$ can afford an Idle Morgue in the Rich & Famous summer camp.
How far from the “Long Island Medium” is this located? Maybe they can request an apt to visit all their DEAD BODY THETANS.
‘Do you want to see a 9 foot tall OT?’
No, but I can show you a 5 foot tall ‘Natural Clear’
I was never in, so whenever I read LRH quotes like this my only thought is “WTF?”
He’s not saying some deeply profound thought. Rather, he’s pulling nonsensical statements out of his ass. And then people act like they know what the hell he is talking about.
Didn’t Dwarf Boy say he was a natural Oat Tee, too? That’s because he’s afraid of picking up the cans…
I am 5 ft tall also….little but mighty….I don’t take crap from anyone….we Brooklyn girls are like that.
Dave,
Actually, you have already replaced your organizational structure with a ‘personal pet’ zoo of characters.
Such an incredible facade of bullshit. They push every button a human responds to and then treat it with deceitful wantingness all based on money acquisition. Please, for fuck’s sake, where’s the off button for Scientology!
Right there with you Yawna lot.