That made me spit my coffee!! I am a never been in so not sure!
But my question is, if someone passes me the pen and I don’t want to give or can’t…what happens?

So many questions…What is happening to the woman in the white sweater? Is this a new fundraising game? Tickle the titty for dollars? More importantly: Who is paying? the tickl-er or the ticke-ee?

No it’s not.

Is Lisa T Lisa Twede?

I tried. Glad it had some effect. I’ve struggled to understand what it takes to get someone out. This organization that claims to make people MORE aware, actually has the opposite effect. Unfortunately those that remain are becoming the hopelessly most unaware. Those out are the most aware and able to think for themselves, unlike those still in. Believe me, I donated a lot, just like many others that have posted here, elsewhere, and are suing.

My wife and I also like many others got to OT 8 and were able to still see the light. There is certainly one basic problem: those in claim that LRH is source, yet in the face of obvious blatant contradiction to his policies follow DM blindly. Do I hear “CULT!”

My wife and I have come to the conclusion that Scn has to really do something to “ruin you,” a characteristic on a scale of awareness, to get you to need of change, meaning to get out!

Just know you did what you could, we’ve tried too.

She was probably telling me the people she married. She is in deep, I think her only way out is if they close. And what you said did have her thinking abt leaving ( thank you) unfortunately as I said she went to the org and they justified it all. I called it a cult and she was going to LA and I ask her to promise me she wudnt donate. Well she went to the org for interview?? Came home after 4 years and ended it. . In 4 months made 2 huge donations. Unreal. And I am positive she was told to disconnect from you. I now remember this whole story. That’s how I know ur name. She was very very upset but would do what the cult wanted. I’m sorry

The reason that children are in the background is to promote that Valley Ideal org will be the first org to have a “children’s org”. This is a rather scary thought if you think about it.

I know lots of parents who shied away from bringing their kids into the org for course because they didn’t want them to get recruited, which will happen with a certainty. They will not be immune to this in an Ideal Org either. The names of the parents and kids will be fed to the recruiters and they will show up well before the kids are 15 years old, while they are still “clean”. Kids who go on course are cherry picked into the S.O., while still minors.

What cracks me up is that now children are the “Future”. After decades of forced abortions and still today, Sea Org members are forbidden to procreate.

Sounds so good Hallie Jane. A loving perspective.

Just a wog,
yes she is. I’ve known her since 1997. She married my wife and I in 2007. I’m shocked to hear she mentions my name. I tried to communicate with her and gave her some of the info in Debbie Cook’s email latter part of 2011. She eventually slammed the door on communicating with me back then. No, we’re not in – been out since end of Feb 2011 after reading Cooks email AND thinking for ourselves! We’ve heard through the grapevine we were declared last year.

Yes, and she is the nicest person in the world!!! They take such advantage of her. So many times I seen it and it wud hurt me to the core. I don’t get it. She is so smart. I don’t know why she won’t get out of there. Some times I think she gives just so they accept her.
I’ve heard her mention your name. Aren’t you still in?