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		By: Scotterz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2021 12:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s exciting to see Kathy Bates hosting the Vancouver Day Graduation!]]></description>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444676&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

I am replying to THIS comment:

&quot;If he had simply plagiarized the stuff, it’d be one thing. He also mis-duplicated the key elements, purposely or not, and twisted it to cause the most damage/slavery he could. Since some of the stuff he stole was from Crowley’s black magic, I’m not sure if going back to the real sources would improve the outcomes. In a few cases, it would, but in others, it might possibly be worse than Tubby’s misinterpretation, scary and scarcely believable as that is.&quot; end quote

I think that many of the techniques that Hubbard plagiarized were not beneficial in their original form BUT he made them far, far, far worse.

Margaret Singer noted in her book Cults In Our Midst that the more complicated and filled with contradictions the cult indoctrination is, the more persistent it is and more difficult to recover from.

Scientology has been described as having perhaps two thousand hypnotic techniques in it and thousands of new terms that are often contradictory in their nature as both having multiple contradictory definitions and having meanings that are the opposite of their regular meaning, setting up double think. 

Additionally, Scientology doctrine is jam packed with contradictory statements.

Add in the repetition and we have a very harmful, traumatic, and persistent form of indoctrination. 

To recover from cult indoctrination or abuse it is useful to been recognize it, but where many cuts have one to a half dozen hypnotic techniques, Scientology has a couple thousand, that&#039;s a lot to sort out along with the doctrine and terms..

I don&#039;t know what exactly the occult techniques that Hubbard plagiarized from would have done left intact, but I certainly don&#039;t want to try them out. 

A pattern that Hubbard followed often was one he borrowed from a book he actually read and recommended, Hypnotism Comes of Age.

I read that book and it describes the combination of hypnosis and psychoanalysis to create hypnoanalysis.

Hubbard realized that you can combine hypnosis with many, many, many other things and call the result anything you like. If the subjects are not experts or at least fairly familiar with hypnosis and the various techniques in detail beyond a Reader&#039;s Digest level, they are extremely unlikely to realize that they are being hypnotized. 

Hubbard took ideas and techniques from many sources, Steve Hassan as many know is a cult expert with significant knowledge of hypnosis and he has stated that Hubbard read books from the thirties and forties and simply took the techniques, Jon Atack has written extensively on this as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444676">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>I am replying to THIS comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;If he had simply plagiarized the stuff, it’d be one thing. He also mis-duplicated the key elements, purposely or not, and twisted it to cause the most damage/slavery he could. Since some of the stuff he stole was from Crowley’s black magic, I’m not sure if going back to the real sources would improve the outcomes. In a few cases, it would, but in others, it might possibly be worse than Tubby’s misinterpretation, scary and scarcely believable as that is.&#8221; end quote</p>
<p>I think that many of the techniques that Hubbard plagiarized were not beneficial in their original form BUT he made them far, far, far worse.</p>
<p>Margaret Singer noted in her book Cults In Our Midst that the more complicated and filled with contradictions the cult indoctrination is, the more persistent it is and more difficult to recover from.</p>
<p>Scientology has been described as having perhaps two thousand hypnotic techniques in it and thousands of new terms that are often contradictory in their nature as both having multiple contradictory definitions and having meanings that are the opposite of their regular meaning, setting up double think. </p>
<p>Additionally, Scientology doctrine is jam packed with contradictory statements.</p>
<p>Add in the repetition and we have a very harmful, traumatic, and persistent form of indoctrination. </p>
<p>To recover from cult indoctrination or abuse it is useful to been recognize it, but where many cuts have one to a half dozen hypnotic techniques, Scientology has a couple thousand, that&#8217;s a lot to sort out along with the doctrine and terms..</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what exactly the occult techniques that Hubbard plagiarized from would have done left intact, but I certainly don&#8217;t want to try them out. </p>
<p>A pattern that Hubbard followed often was one he borrowed from a book he actually read and recommended, Hypnotism Comes of Age.</p>
<p>I read that book and it describes the combination of hypnosis and psychoanalysis to create hypnoanalysis.</p>
<p>Hubbard realized that you can combine hypnosis with many, many, many other things and call the result anything you like. If the subjects are not experts or at least fairly familiar with hypnosis and the various techniques in detail beyond a Reader&#8217;s Digest level, they are extremely unlikely to realize that they are being hypnotized. </p>
<p>Hubbard took ideas and techniques from many sources, Steve Hassan as many know is a cult expert with significant knowledge of hypnosis and he has stated that Hubbard read books from the thirties and forties and simply took the techniques, Jon Atack has written extensively on this as well.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444676&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Her Dwarfenfuhrere is famous in his infamy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444676">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Her Dwarfenfuhrere is famous in his infamy.</p>
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		By: jim rowles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444574&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Have fun digging into the esoteric.

If this is the definition of magic:  Every intentional act is a magical act.   Then we all do it all of the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444574">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Have fun digging into the esoteric.</p>
<p>If this is the definition of magic:  Every intentional act is a magical act.   Then we all do it all of the time.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444237&quot;&gt;dr mac&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, the road out of scn, or what is calling itself that these days, is long and convoluted. Even after 40 years, I keep finding his teachings getting in the way of living a full life.  Boy, his life must have been thoroughly depressing, since he had all that shite as part of his mostly unexamined psyche.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444237">dr mac</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, the road out of scn, or what is calling itself that these days, is long and convoluted. Even after 40 years, I keep finding his teachings getting in the way of living a full life.  Boy, his life must have been thoroughly depressing, since he had all that shite as part of his mostly unexamined psyche.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444323&quot;&gt;Loosing my Religion&lt;/a&gt;.

He (Dwarfenführer®) IS the most successful squirrel in scientology&#039;s 71 year history, which IS an accomplishment of sorts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444323">Loosing my Religion</a>.</p>
<p>He (Dwarfenführer®) IS the most successful squirrel in scientology&#8217;s 71 year history, which IS an accomplishment of sorts.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444574&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Tubby THOUGHT he was a mighty powerful Magician.  
Like most everything in his life, that was a delusion.  He wasn&#039;t nearly as grandiose as he imagined.  Only in girth was he grand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444574">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Tubby THOUGHT he was a mighty powerful Magician.<br />
Like most everything in his life, that was a delusion.  He wasn&#8217;t nearly as grandiose as he imagined.  Only in girth was he grand.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444576&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

If he had simply plagiarized the stuff, it&#039;d be one thing. He also mis-duplicated the key elements, purposely or not, and twisted it to cause the most damage/slavery he could.  Since some of the stuff he stole was from Crowley&#039;s black magic, I&#039;m not sure if going back to the real sources would improve the outcomes.  In a few cases, it would, but in others, it might possibly be &lt;b&gt;worse&lt;/b&gt; than Tubby&#039;s misinterpretation, scary and scarcely believable as that is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444576">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>If he had simply plagiarized the stuff, it&#8217;d be one thing. He also mis-duplicated the key elements, purposely or not, and twisted it to cause the most damage/slavery he could.  Since some of the stuff he stole was from Crowley&#8217;s black magic, I&#8217;m not sure if going back to the real sources would improve the outcomes.  In a few cases, it would, but in others, it might possibly be <b>worse</b> than Tubby&#8217;s misinterpretation, scary and scarcely believable as that is.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alcoboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 01:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444283&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Ramen to that!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444283">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Ramen to that!</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alcoboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 01:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444423&quot;&gt;Geoff Levin&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, he is kicking people&#039;s asses on &#039;Cobra Kai&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-268/#comment-444423">Geoff Levin</a>.</p>
<p>Well, he is kicking people&#8217;s asses on &#8216;Cobra Kai&#8217;.</p>
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