Looks like the OSAI troll, Rhinoplast, took a powder.

Hi Nickname –

It’s been a long time since I’ve seen arguments like yours presented on the Internet.

I applaud your social courage in coming here and letting your views as a Scientologist be known.

I have compiled some of the writings from L Ron Hubbard which, when applied exactly as written, and in the context in which L Ron Hubbard intended them, produce the fanaticism, criminality and abuse that we see in Scientology today.

I invite you to examine these statements in a new unit of time, without fear or favor, and ask yourself if you really believe that the writer of these statements had constructive intent towards his fellow man.

“If you have a hard time invading people’s “privacy,” you’ll have a hard time 8-Cing them into a Book One co-audit 4 or any other Div 6 course,5 because you think the reactive mind has rights. No! It does not have any rights. What has rights? That machinery? Those dramatizations? Those computing circuits? Those things have rights? The next thing you know we’ll have laws out saying reactive minds have a perfect right to kill everybody”.
L. Ron Hubbard, “8-C and Circuits” Taped Lecture

“Never fear to hurt another in a just cause.”
L Ron Hubbard, “The Code of Honor” Scientology 0-8

“It is also part of this that I have concluded man cannot be trusted with justice.”
L. Ron Hubbard, HCO PL 6 Oct 70 III “Ethics Penalties”

“As an executive you get compliance because you have ethics presence and persistence and can get mad.”
L RON HUBBARD, HCO POLICY LETTER OF 4 OCTOBER 1968 Issue II “ETHICS PRESENCE”

“Men will keep the accounts straight only because you can muster bayonets to enforce that they do.”
L RON HUBBARD, HCO POLICY LETTER OF 4 OCTOBER 1968 Issue II “ETHICS PRESENCE”

“MAKE THE PENALTIES FOR NONCOMPLIANCE AND FALSE REPORTS TOO GRUESOME TO BE FACED AND ENFORCE THEM.”
L RON HUBBARD, HCO Policy Letter 5 January 1968, “Overfilled In-Basket, Bad News”

“People have following the route mixed up with “the right to have their own ideas.” Anyone is certainly entitled to have opinions and ideas and cognitions-so long as these do not bar the route out for self and others.“
L RON HUBBARD, 14 FEBRUARY 1965 “SAFEGUARDING TECHNOLOGY”

“In fifty thousand years of history on this planet alone, Man never evolved a workable system. It is doubtful if, in foreseeable history, he will ever evolve another. Man is caught in a huge and complex labyrinth. To get out of it requires that he follow the closely taped path of Scientology.”
L RON HUBBARD, HCOPL 14 FEBRUARY 1965 “SAFEGUARDING TECHNOLOGY”

“We’re not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn’t cute or something to do for lack of something better.’

“The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology.’

“This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance.”

‘Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past. Don’t muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten.’
L RON HUBBARD, HCOPL 7 FEBRUARY 1965 “KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING”

“We’ll survive because we are tough and are dedicated. When we do instruct somebody properly he becomes more and more tiger. When we instruct half-mindedly and are afraid to offend, scared to enforce, we don’t make students into good Scientologists and that lets everybody down. When Mrs. Pattycake comes to us to be taught, turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare and she’ll win and we’ll all win. Humor her and we all die a little. The proper instruction attitude is, “You’re here so you’re a Scientologist. Now we’re going to make you into an expert auditor no matter what happens. We’d rather have you dead than incapable.”
L RON HUBBARD, HCOPL 7 FEBRUARY 1965 “KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING”

“When somebody enrols, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of the universe — never permit an “open- minded” approach. If they’re going to quit let them quit fast. If they enrolled, they’re aboard, and if they’re aboard, they’re here on the same terms as the rest of us — win or die in the attempt. Never let them be half-minded about being Scientologists.”
L RON HUBBARD, HCOPLE 7 FEBRUARY 1965 “KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING”

“The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. They only have their banks in common. They agree then only on bank principles. Person to person the bank is identical. So constructive ideas are individual and seldom get broad agreement in a human group.”
L RON HUBBARD, HCOPL 7 FEBRUARY 1965 “KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING”

“We will not speculate here on why this was so or how I came to rise above the bank. We are dealing only in facts and the above is a fact — the group left to its own devices would not have evolved Scientology but with wild dramatization of the bank called “new ideas” would have wiped it out. Supporting this is the fact that Man has never before evolved workable mental technology and emphasizing it is the vicious technology he did evolve — psychiatry, psychology, surgery, shock treatment, whips, duress, punishment, etc, ad infinitum.

“So realize that we have climbed out of the mud by whatever good luck and good sense, and refuse to sink back into it again. See that Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten above are ruthlessly followed and we will never be stopped. Relax them, get reasonable about it and we will perish.”
L Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 7 February 1965 “KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING”

“Auditor B: “That Process X didn’t work.” Instructor A: “What exactly did you do wrong?” Instant attack.
L Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 7 February 1965 “KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING”

“People leave because of their own overts and withholds. That is the factual fact and the hard-bound rule. A man with a clean heart can’t be hurt. The man or woman who must must must become a victim and depart is departing because of his or her own overts and withholds. It doesn’t matter whether the person is departing from a town or a job or a session. The cause is the same.”
L Ron Hubbard, HCO BULLETIN “BLOW-OFFS” 31 DECEMBER 1959R

“You are only three or four hours from taking your glasses off for keeps.”
L. Ron Hubbard, “Eyesight and glasses,”, Dianetic Auditor’s Bulletin, Vol. 2, No. 7, January 1952

“The alleviation of the condition of insanity has also been accomplished now…”
L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, November 1970, “Psychosis”

“Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns.”
L. Ron Hubbard, ALL ABOUT RADIATION, p. 109

“Arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness decreases, asthma disappears, stomachs function properly and the whole catalogue of illnesses goes away and stays away.” L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, 1987 Ed., p. 72

Are these claims really true, in your experience as a Scientologist?

If someone accepted these claims, and these statements, and internalized them without inspection, do you believe that they would become an abusive fanatic?

I have many more where these came from, and I’ll bet that if you let yourself see Hubbard’s writings from this viewpoint, you could contribute a few quotes from Hubbard yourself.

It’s not just Scientologists making mistakes that are causing the problems in Scientology. The fanaticism, criminality and abuse in comes from Scientologists doing their very best to apply Scientology to the letter – 100% standardly exactly as Ron said – that are causing the problems we see in Scientology today.

Again, I applaud your courage and integrity in coming here and voicing your opinion.

What do you have to say to these?

Alanzo

Oh, and by the way. How do you come by a “@scientology.net” email address? I want one of those…

“They offer nothing but carping criticism.”

Not just carping criticism but some of the most hilarious RIDICULE! 🙂

I cannot really make out who this rant is directed to, and as you are new here, I am going to tell you that this sort of ad hominem garbage directed at other commenters isnt acceptable here.

If you are SICK TO DEATH of reading these poxy stories of people leaving and how bad it all is then I would direct you to a website that will be far more to your liking: scientology.org

I assume you are a troll, but I if you behave yourself you can continue to post. If not, you will be relegated to the spam file.

Well of course.

They offer nothing except carping criticism.

What technolgy has Espiando discovered.

I may be incorrect but he does exhibit the type of personality that has had much psychiatric “treatment” and so has no hope ever.

Kind of sad really, a super type of A – J PTS.

Because he cannot make case gain he assumes no one else can ergo: the subject is fraud and does not work.

You get the same problems in general medicine when a Doctor is taught a subject but misapplies it someone can die. He gets sued etc etc.

When Scientology is missapplied you get Bloogger Trolls of imense proportion. Just go to some foums of ex scientologits( sic) and see them raving, again, rather sad.

I for one am SICK TO DEATH of reading these poxy stories of people leaving and how bad it all is.

Yet they stayed in there and put up with this shit, while doing bugger all to change things. I ised to be a basket ball player and loved it but after 8 years I no longer found it got me what I wanted in life so I packed it in. I don’t feel the need to rubbish the game or keep telling people to keep away from it.

But then I am sane, some people in here are obviously not and demonstrate this on a regualr basis.

If you don’t like Scientology then FUCK OFF. No one forces you to follow it.

This blog is supposed to be information of use and amusement of current chuch nonsense which has NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENTOLOGY.

Got it yet?

Ann, for a group that has supposedly mastered Confront, they do tend to run and hide when the subject of Hubbard is brought up. They know, subconsciously, that if one successful pierce in the mental armor surrounding views of Hubbard is made, the whole structure falls apart. Hence, people defending the indefensible, like young Rhinoplast up there.

Correct Espiando. Although the brainwashed sometimes will experience a placebo effect. There is no scientific validity for either the purif nor, engrams. Which is why El Con did ZERO scientific testing or trials.

All drugs. Check out ToryMagoo44’s videos on YouTube about her fight over anti-seizure meds.

Ask Tory Christman. She had several serious epileptic seizures because the Scientologists thought she should handle the condition with vitamins instead of prescription drugs.