I wasn’t going to respond to this as I didn’t know what to say to “meaty,” I know what you mean by it but where do I go from there.
But I did think of something that might help you with understanding this scientology concept.
Logic 4 was corrected by Hubbard on 10 Nov 1952 where he defines what ‘data’ actually is. Miscavige reinstated the 1st and original Logic 4 which is incorrect. Basically every scientologist has a misunderstood on what data is or how far it extends to defining how to view things. It took me sometime time to figure it out but it turned out to be one of those simplicity things, as nearly all hard to get concepts initially are. But it does dump a heap of responsibility on you. The corrected definition by LRH in ’52 pushes scientology well past the boundaries of human activity and introduces another line of how to view, ‘think’ about things. It extends the Logics and Axioms beyond human experience and into something else.
Research both Logic #4s and you see the difference. (data is NOT a facsimile) Work at it for awhile and I think you will see what I’m talking about regarding the Dynamics and what a thetan observes and does with data. In other words in the current scene who’s the boss (cause)? Thetans or data?
The lecture series is called the Perception of Truth series (4 or 5 lectures I think) which goes over the Qs and Logics pretty thoroughly. What I did put together with this explanation to you is an understanding of Q&A. You know that datum, ‘the answer to question is the question itself?’ I never really got that until last night. An example is when an auditor gives a PC just the right question (their item) Cognition, release, VGIs and FN. At that precise moment the PC is sitting there with the question, he blew everything else. The auditor must end off as overrun will occur on that question if run further. The PC must end it too but often the PC carries on or it’s connected to some other havingness and it O/Rs anyway sometime later, speed is important too in processing. But it is an example of the 8th Dynamic at work imo.
It’s important to have education of that phenomena otherwise Q&A sets in and it all goes awry. With this technology if it is going to work at all, a good and known direction is essential, educated players and good CSing/auditing is required. All those things are missing in the Cof$ and have been for many years. Miscavige and some others really have an evil streak in them.
Anyway, there’s nothing wrong with understanding scientology or trying to I reckon. It’s what you do with it that matters.

A real pirate was never more real than,
-than the everyday scientologist,
never ever in all the land, nor all the pirates of the open sea
as reality never was in Neverland, and never will ever be.

That’s an interesting find. But wow, I bet a few Christians will reel away from that though. Responsibility is not a strong point for many Christians imo. God is responsible for all matters of the spirit and ultimately all decisions lie with him/her/it, (never quite sure how to name it).

P.S. Dave, I think I have become a lose cannon. I don’t feel like keeping quiet anymore. I think I want to tell all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZq_XVmJ_as

Part of the “Truth About Drugs” circus. John Duff, and Bobby Wiggins. What a team. I am so tired of these 1.1 mthr fkers..Presenting themselves as heroes.

All of them.

I really took a major hit speaking up against all of this madness as I fell across it. Like a major ass whipping every week five times around the block.

Do you know when I flipped into the Independent movement, they sent someone they used to suppress me in the Church, to attack me out here?

And I took another hit. I was a target. Big time.

Not bothered. I can change, but I can not change too. The grades work on all flows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxxxTBINl7I

P.S. And while all of this was going on, do you know what the Sea org Execs at ABLE were doing? Sitting around gossiping about the “wog” with holds of “wog” clients at Chilloco Oklahoma.

This was the “care factor” of the people taxing the insurance dollars. Fkn disgusting and repelling. Nothing “holy” or “religious” about them.

There is no Narconon L.A,. anymore. ABLE destroyed it. Ben Gibson held it together for 25 years saving lives. ABLE unmocked it within two years of “taking it over”.

Have you ever noticed there are no Narconons in any major cities? They are always way out in the boon docks for white children to travel to. Near lakes and oceans and what not.

ABLE did put up a place in Oklahoma, they negotiated a lease with Indian Tribes that were involved with gambling and child pornography did you know that?

Boom!

When they signed the lease part of the promise was to get the Indian Nation off of drugs. Guess what their success rate was? Out of 40 Indians put through the program, SIX of them remained drug free.

and have the Volunteer Ministers shown up at Austin Org yet with their WTH pamphlets, to calm the staff down? WTH, like charity, begins at home, after all.

All right, I’ll stop 🙂

You know, to calm her down.