Me too… With or without the hashtags.

Bruce, thank you for this! A brilliant expose of how Hubbard just threw out tons of drivel without even the least bit of editing to see if it was consistent with stuff he said before. I laughed all the way through this!

Disclaimer: The following is merely an attempt to steer the discourse on Scientology away from the attacks on its beliefs back toward its abuses. I do not advocate that anyone get involved with Scientology. Furthermore, I would suggest that those still in, get out.

“… Hubbard could never make up his mind about that. Axiom One says a thetan has no mass, no motion, no wavelength, no location in space or time. But in another place …”

Yes, I have read all those references. “That no mass, no motion …”, definition was given to the “Static”. Back in the day, Hubbard admitted that there was a lot of theory in what he was proposing. A theory cannot be proved nor disproved.

“Then you are supposed to have a ‘theta body’ … creating of an earlier body …”, Hubbard claims that a thetan is able to create anything, even the concept of its own size, I would assume. Some have claimed to “see” theta bodies while doing TR 0.

“Then there’s the ‘genetic entity’ …”, not a thetan but not dissimilar to a thetan, which operates under very primitive direction. A GE inhabits all life forms.

“So far nobody has managed to measure … “, does not prove their non-existence.

“According to Hubbard, anyone with a damaged brain cannot benefit from Scientology and … “, because the person considers he cannot think without a brain.

“Hubbard’s ‘ideas’ are just a mish-mash of various mystical speculations …”, which may be true, but so little is known about the human potential that any idea to speculate about it is attacked vigorously by those who cannot or refuse to think.

I suggest a walk in the park or a quiet meditation under a lonely tree somewhere in a cemetery.

🙂 Sore, and with this comment are we now officially in No Children Under 17 Admitted territory.

Ditto again. You all help me a lot. New information, reconfirmed already known information, encouragement, chuckles ‘n lols. Can’t beat that therapy! Thanks to Mike Rinder and all of you.

I never said anything about volume. As a matter of fact, matter is composed mostly of space. If all the space were removed from an aircraft carrier, it would be the size of a head of a pin. Its mass or weight which is the gravitational force on the mass would be the same. Since a zero mass cannot be located in space, even a spirit would have to have some mass albeit very little.

I’m not interested in what other people believe. But while in Scientology, I did the best to understand what Hubbard was talking about. What I have stated is my attempt to understand how how a thetan could pass through solid objects.

Think about a BB dropping through a stack of bowing balls.

Furthermore, my comment was a response to John P. who seems to have considerable understanding of Scientology who pointed out that a quarter inch thetan makes no sense.

This is no more than an idea. Telling me that mass and volume are not the same is ludicrous. Your last sentence makes absolutely no sense to me.

It’s strange, Peabody, Hubbard could never make up his mind about that. Axiom One says a thetan has no mass, no motion, no wavelength, no location in space or time. But in another place, I think 8-80, he says if you thought of the thetan as a thumb the body would be like a splinter stuck in the thumb. Another reference says the thetan is centered in the pineal gland, others say the thetan is bigger than the body, in another place he talks about the “vast unexplored territory three inches behind your forehead”.

Then you are supposed to have a “theta body” with misty invisible arms and legs of “theta stuff” or something. Like a copy you are creating of an earlier body you had, or one you were talked into creating. Like the concept of “mental mass” this is a contradiction in terms.

Then there’s the “genetic entity”, another thetan that exists in degraded form only to run the body and keep the lights on when the thetan is not around. Is this another half inch sphere, or a wavy field around the whole body, or something that lives in the pituitary gland, or will we find it someday like that piece of used chewing gum in the family car?

So far nobody has managed to measure these invisible fields or estimate their wavelengths. It seems they would be severely disrupted by things like CAT scans that apply very strong fields to the body. Maybe someday they will be discovered and we will all have to give Hubbard some credit after all.

According to Hubbard, anyone with a damaged brain cannot benefit from Scientology and is an “illegal Preclear”. If you are not your brain, but an immortal spark of spirit, what does the brain have to do with it? In various places he describes the brain as a “shock absorber” or “control panel for the body”. Not well explained, even after thousands of hours of lectures and thousands of page of “sacred scripture”.

Hubbard’s “ideas” are just a mish-mash of various mystical speculations by others, largely from the 19th century. It does your brain absolutely no good to try to make sense of it. I suggest a walk in the park or a quiet meditation under a lonely tree somewhere instead.

Peabody, that isn’t an accurate postulate. Mass and volume are not the same. Also you assume that a “spirit” is of this physical universe when almost universally in religion that isn’t he supposition.

Just saying that mixing science & non-science doesn’t work. 😉

A thetan has near zero mass, smaller than a subatomic particle, just enough mass to occupy a location in the physical universe.

Seems like that to me. I can’t imagine he believes in any of it given all his SP behavior and the fact that he changes things to suit his latest money-making scheme.