Ah, the mystery sandwich took a bite out of me!

Ok, I tried, and this is what I got :

Unhandled exception at 0x00f5144b in eternity.exe: 0xC0000094: Integer division by zero.

+2

An interesting way to describe the bridge. Sounds apt to (never-in) me as few seem to have made the other side.

hgc 10,

I’d say that lines already been crossed like most the CB graphs of these so called “Idea Orgs”. The question to ask should be:

“How long will it take before for most public and staff notice it?”

That was a pretty damn funny read Aquamarine 🙂

Point made Alanzo.

However my experience in Scientology has been different than yours obviously. So I have a different point of view on the subject in general.

Personally I’ve had more successes than failures in applying the Technology to others which is probably what keeps us auditors going.

Also my apologies if I was a bit brusk. The fact is that you are entitled to your opinion.

However I still stand by what I said and that is that there can be a variance of actions that can be done on a Preclear and Pre OT and it is not an assembly line designed to make one model of car.

Fact is people have different goals and aspirations that they are trying to achieve and Scientology can be used to help them obtain them.

Though maybe in other cases Scientology might not be the answer. Thus Scientology is not for everyone.

Anyway Alanzo I wish you the best in whatever endeavor you seek to pursue and I really mean it.

LR

Hi Valerie,

Perhaps the semi-celeb’s daughter who purchased the Briefing Course had an MU on the word “brief”, knowing only one definition.

Too bad she thought it meant a short period of time. Any time I hear the word “brief” in regards to pretty much anything in Scientology, I know it will not be quick.

A briefing (fleecing) can go on for hours. The same with a “brief” interview at the Flag office where after your interview, you will then get your head talked off for hours, until you agree to go back to Flag or just get up and say you’re done talking for now.

Beware the use of the word “brief” and prepare to spend lots of your time, energy and quite possibly, your money.

Alonzo – I certainly have no disagreement with the general look you present in regards to how many people got involved in Scientology after initial contact of some sort and also how many people have stayed in Scientology after actual involvement in training and processing.

I do think to get a clear picture of this, you would have to look into the reasons why this is so. As far as the initial contact with Scientology goes, I can only guess at that. May have something to do with the skill/ARC of the person they initially came in contact with. In my case, I received very high ARC in my first contact and so I really wanted to look into what it was all about.

My best guess on those who left is that it MOSTLY had to do with the abuses of a totalitarian fundamental religious organization. Though I will also point out that not all of us felt that way until being in Scientology a long, long time. I was in for 35 years before experiencing this (from my own reality).

While I would certainly agree that auditing does not produce the results that LRH way over hyped from DMSMH through “living lightning”, my OWN experience (and that is all I can speak to) is that on all three flows (pc, auditor, CS) what auditing does accomplish (done with the rules that LRH set down) is often wonderful, producing extremely happy and more aware and more able beings.

I also would say that it is hard keeping those wins when you are involved 24/7 in a Soviet style church, having your own point of view nullified continuously and demanding that you agree with the overall construct of the church in order to even stay in it; thus agreeing to participate in the duress and force on all flows.

As I have noted a number of times, I am an expat, now living and traveling throughout Asia and a number of differing cultures (from Hindu to Buddhist to Muslim to loving the USA to not liking it very much) I find the basics of Scientology philosophy, and the abilities I gained as an auditor to be a great aid in just day to day living and problem solving.

I think Ron blew it by becoming the huge effect of his own case and megolomaniacal tendencies. Last year I told an old friend of mine (a Class 8 CS) that had LRH just stuck to delivering auditing and training, with a small functional org board, using ethics to only handle personal PTSness which stopped a person’s progress and handling any TRULY disruptive or destructive people, along with a VERY friendly dissemination crew, AND also encouraging free speech, free opinion and respectful debate and disagreement, that there would probably be two million active people in Scientology today. Then upon thinking of that some more, I revised my number – there might very well be TWENTY million people active in Scientology by now – or even much more. Out of 6.5 billion folks in the world, I think that is very realistic. But …. as we know, Ron didn’t do that. But also, that fact does not invalidate the wonderful COGNITIONS I have had in Scientology T&P nor really ANY cognitions that I have witnessed others having.

If it happens to involve grammar, then so be it.

ASHO used to be a great training org and I loved it there. But they have gone so far south in their mission to train AUDITORS. Students got taken off their levels, BC, etc to study BASICS instead in 2007. That was a huge ARC break for many of us at the time but what could we do?

There’s no “grammar nazi” but there is a Nazi who derails students in auditor training, who stops them from it, who makes them do something else, and who allows the IAS to prowl around the course rooms and pester students in the hallways. His name is David Miscavige, known as “C.O.B.” and his orders roll downhill.