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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 01:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52907&quot;&gt;Gus Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

The sheep got fleeced and the whales gave their blubber. End of story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52907">Gus Cox</a>.</p>
<p>The sheep got fleeced and the whales gave their blubber. End of story.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52911&quot;&gt;hiatus57&lt;/a&gt;.

It is for everyone who isn&#039;t receiving....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52911">hiatus57</a>.</p>
<p>It is for everyone who isn&#8217;t receiving&#8230;.</p>
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		By: hiatus57		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiatus57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike

I don&#039;t know what all the fuss is about regarding the Ideal Org program.

Surely its better to give than receive?

LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what all the fuss is about regarding the Ideal Org program.</p>
<p>Surely its better to give than receive?</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, that photo on the lower left, under the OTC banner, looks like an ad for Geritol.  Not that there&#039;s anything wrong with getting old (it happens to us all) but it really points up that there are no new people in Scientology other than the occasional child of an existing Flavour-Aid drinker.  

I&#039;m also curious - does anyone know how much has been raised so far?  We have $1Million this week plus $11M to go = $12M.  But how much did the building cost and how much has been raised for renos so far?  It would be interesting to see what the total cost for this white elephant will be.

And that list of people - that&#039;s it.  That&#039;s all of them, man.  That&#039;s every Scientologist in the SF Valley (and then some - the Duffs and probably quite a few others are CC public) in the largest Scientology market in the world.  The roll call list for the BC and Academy at ASHO was that long... 30 YEARS AGO.  And that was DAY, not FDN.  

We&#039;re waiting for Scientology to go belly up, and that list shows me it already has.  Stick a fork in it, it&#039;s done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that photo on the lower left, under the OTC banner, looks like an ad for Geritol.  Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with getting old (it happens to us all) but it really points up that there are no new people in Scientology other than the occasional child of an existing Flavour-Aid drinker.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious &#8211; does anyone know how much has been raised so far?  We have $1Million this week plus $11M to go = $12M.  But how much did the building cost and how much has been raised for renos so far?  It would be interesting to see what the total cost for this white elephant will be.</p>
<p>And that list of people &#8211; that&#8217;s it.  That&#8217;s all of them, man.  That&#8217;s every Scientologist in the SF Valley (and then some &#8211; the Duffs and probably quite a few others are CC public) in the largest Scientology market in the world.  The roll call list for the BC and Academy at ASHO was that long&#8230; 30 YEARS AGO.  And that was DAY, not FDN.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re waiting for Scientology to go belly up, and that list shows me it already has.  Stick a fork in it, it&#8217;s done.</p>
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		By: thetapotata		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thetapotata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder what the renno&#039;s $ target will be? 6 mill or so? The finish line is like a line for Space Mountain at Disneyland in July (you can&#039;t see the whole line, so when you think you&#039;re close you turn a corner and see another long ass section.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the renno&#8217;s $ target will be? 6 mill or so? The finish line is like a line for Space Mountain at Disneyland in July (you can&#8217;t see the whole line, so when you think you&#8217;re close you turn a corner and see another long ass section.)</p>
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		By: Dave B.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 00:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. I get it now! The penny dropped.

The Idle Morgue funnybidness and the entire $cientology modus operandi. As per #4 above, &quot;The beingness......&quot; 

JUST FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT!

And if you don&#039;t make it, raise up the flag and see who salutes (donates).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I get it now! The penny dropped.</p>
<p>The Idle Morgue funnybidness and the entire $cientology modus operandi. As per #4 above, &#8220;The beingness&#8230;&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>JUST FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT!</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t make it, raise up the flag and see who salutes (donates).</p>
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		By: Chris Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 18:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Poor Samantha McCue! Unless there are two of them, her name is on that list twice which means she will have to donate twice as much money should she attend! The horror!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Samantha McCue! Unless there are two of them, her name is on that list twice which means she will have to donate twice as much money should she attend! The horror!</p>
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		By: meditator		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meditator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52581&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

If the tech is out, as evidenced by &quot;staying away in droves&quot; it must mean that ethics is not present.

The ethics presence left the church when the church decided that the survival of the church was more important than delivering valuable product, training and auditing.

Yes the survival of an organization is important when it is a component of achieving the purpose, but not in itself.

Ethics is no longer a part of the Cos, no new iterations of the tech GAT, GAT II, will put the tech in.

Sadly the conclusion I come to is that the church is mostly populated with the PTS and DB&#039;s, people who are unable to self determinatedly be ethical.

It&#039;s not just Miscavige....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52581">Espiritu</a>.</p>
<p>If the tech is out, as evidenced by &#8220;staying away in droves&#8221; it must mean that ethics is not present.</p>
<p>The ethics presence left the church when the church decided that the survival of the church was more important than delivering valuable product, training and auditing.</p>
<p>Yes the survival of an organization is important when it is a component of achieving the purpose, but not in itself.</p>
<p>Ethics is no longer a part of the Cos, no new iterations of the tech GAT, GAT II, will put the tech in.</p>
<p>Sadly the conclusion I come to is that the church is mostly populated with the PTS and DB&#8217;s, people who are unable to self determinatedly be ethical.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just Miscavige&#8230;.</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52623&quot;&gt;Draco&lt;/a&gt;.

I aims to please  :-D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52623">Draco</a>.</p>
<p>I aims to please  😀</p>
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		By: Draco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52564&quot;&gt;zana&lt;/a&gt;.

Well Zana - it goes something like this: You have to be an Ideal Org to become an Ideal Org ie - you have to be an empty building to become an empty building :D Makes perfect sense!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-ideal-org-only-11-1-million-still-needed-to-get-started/#comment-52564">zana</a>.</p>
<p>Well Zana &#8211; it goes something like this: You have to be an Ideal Org to become an Ideal Org ie &#8211; you have to be an empty building to become an empty building 😀 Makes perfect sense!!</p>
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