Quinn the Eskimo is baffling them with bullshit out there in the Valley.
If you actually read what he says it is complete mumbo-jumbo “you have to be an Ideal Org to become one” Huh?
He is really one mixed up dude.
If he really wants to repeat his “successful actions” he should dispense with all the bs and simply come out and say it. To keep the affluence going, Nancy Cartwright and David Wilson BOTH need to cough up $550,000 a piece this week. They’re not going to get it from anyone else.
And if they just keep that up for a few more months (a million or so a week), the current target will be met and they will be able to BEGIN renovations (and once started they will need more money of course as it’s ALWAYS more expensive than any initial estimates).
It’s also amusing to see the staged shot done for the Maiden Voyage and the shot of the actual fundraising event — 50 down to 20. But even for 50 people, don’t they have any concept that spending $20 million plus on a building for such a tiny number of people is pure insanity? This number of people would be lost in empty rooms of a half million dollar building.
The one thing Quinn ISN’T confused about is that he has the absolute right to keep demanding that people give ridiculous amounts of money for ridiculous reasons. Money that is then wasted. But that is not his responsibility. He just gets it.
I wonder how he sleeps at night (if he is allowed to sleep)? Probably he buys his own bs about how important all this is to saving the planet — it’s the only way he can get through life.
BTW — I would bet a MILLION DOLLARS that the NEXT newsletter from Quinn isn’t going to have a graph showing their “weekly donations” stat.
And a bonus feature. A list of ALL Valley public. This is a new technique — put out a list of everyone that the org hopes will be at the event and try to shame them into showing up. But the entire list is LESS THAN 300 PEOPLE (and some of them on there I know would consider themselves CC public or AO public and others they appear not to even know their names, they are “Mr. Wife’s Name”). And how come the Mayor of the Valley isn’t on the list? Or Bart Simpson?
Mike
I don’t know what all the fuss is about regarding the Ideal Org program.
Surely its better to give than receive?
LOL
It is for everyone who isn’t receiving….
Wow, that photo on the lower left, under the OTC banner, looks like an ad for Geritol. Not that there’s anything wrong with getting old (it happens to us all) but it really points up that there are no new people in Scientology other than the occasional child of an existing Flavour-Aid drinker.
I’m also curious – does anyone know how much has been raised so far? We have $1Million this week plus $11M to go = $12M. But how much did the building cost and how much has been raised for renos so far? It would be interesting to see what the total cost for this white elephant will be.
And that list of people – that’s it. That’s all of them, man. That’s every Scientologist in the SF Valley (and then some – the Duffs and probably quite a few others are CC public) in the largest Scientology market in the world. The roll call list for the BC and Academy at ASHO was that long… 30 YEARS AGO. And that was DAY, not FDN.
We’re waiting for Scientology to go belly up, and that list shows me it already has. Stick a fork in it, it’s done.
The sheep got fleeced and the whales gave their blubber. End of story.
I wonder what the renno’s $ target will be? 6 mill or so? The finish line is like a line for Space Mountain at Disneyland in July (you can’t see the whole line, so when you think you’re close you turn a corner and see another long ass section.)
Wow. I get it now! The penny dropped.
The Idle Morgue funnybidness and the entire $cientology modus operandi. As per #4 above, “The beingness……”
JUST FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT!
And if you don’t make it, raise up the flag and see who salutes (donates).
Poor Samantha McCue! Unless there are two of them, her name is on that list twice which means she will have to donate twice as much money should she attend! The horror!
If Orgs are like living organisms, CO$ has stopped breathing. There is no product flow. It’s up to Mankind to declare it dead.
And I still have faith in Mankind. The Church of Scientology is NOT Prosurvival. “Let Rome burn to the ground”
To the people still in, I’m done caring. May you all rest in peace.
amandahugginkiss said: “20 million, wonder how many clears they could make with that?”
My thoughts exactly. What a bunch of off-purpose phoneys. If they really are intending to “Clear the planet”, they might consider actually delivering auditing to actual people in large numbers and training lots of auditors to increase those stats. The “whales” could set up “matching funds” for people who want to buy services or something like that with these huge donations. I guarantee you that the Valley org in whatever un-ideal building it is currently occupying does not have their course rooms packed nor is their scheduling board for auditing services filled to capacity. No, the sad truth is that they are pretty empty and people are “staying away in droves” as LRH put it. The reason for that is out tech. And no, the reason is not because they are not located in a fancy enough building. If that were true, the existing “ideal” orgs would be bursting at their seams, wouldn’t they? The fact is that they are also empty. Lurkers, take yourself a tour of the orgs in your area and count the number of students in the Div IV academy and the number of PCs on the HGC scheduling board.
DM and Int Management do not have the guts to publish the actual stats of individual orgs before GATI and before DM took over for a reason. It is to their advantage that people forget those inconvenient truths or, in the case of newer Scientologists, never even learn about them. There is a whole generation of Scientologist who think that the current illogical scene is the status quo.
If the tech is out, as evidenced by “staying away in droves” it must mean that ethics is not present.
The ethics presence left the church when the church decided that the survival of the church was more important than delivering valuable product, training and auditing.
Yes the survival of an organization is important when it is a component of achieving the purpose, but not in itself.
Ethics is no longer a part of the Cos, no new iterations of the tech GAT, GAT II, will put the tech in.
Sadly the conclusion I come to is that the church is mostly populated with the PTS and DB’s, people who are unable to self determinatedly be ethical.
It’s not just Miscavige….
Thank god my wife never got me to donate to this crap. I can’t believe these brainwashed seals are still falling for this scam. You can sell a Scientologist anything. If someone can be conned into buying a WISE membership, he can be conned into buying ANYTHING. The Ideal Org scam is just an example of that.
This is fun in a sadistic kind of way: Ok, now, if Valley takes in a little MORE than a million next (week? month?), that will put them in Normal. Very likely they’ll take in a LOT less with the graph very steeply down which will put them in Danger, where they’ll have to bypass habits and normal routines, because these habits and normal routines caused the stats to plunge. So what are they? Well, they rely on a few whales to provide the major ideal morgue funding. So these whales make their one-time super large dono and the stats go into screaming affluence and then they crash. So, to bypass habits and normal routines, they need to either stop relying on a few whales who make one-time whopping donos OR make these same whales donate the same amount plus a little more every stat period. Exactly like Mike said. Oh, this is funny!
Just have all the clapping seals applaud the whales and it’ll all work out in this best of all possible worlds.
Seals … whales ….. squirrels ….. man, the CoS has really become a zoo ….
Don’t forget the vultures.
And the natural impulse of those behind the bars is to break free. Face it Dave, you’re about to be eaten alive.
Unless they have another major publicity goal again this week, I don’t expect any growth in donations. I could be wrong. Maybe the people who gave $12 or $14 last week can up it to $16 or $18.
If Valley Org really intends to do an Affluence Formula on this million bucks received (and, by the way, what the fuck is an “Action Affluence”? What kind of squirrel shit is that?) the key formula step will be discovering the cause of the affluence and strengthening it.
Well, of course, the screaming affluence was caused by Ms. Cartwright’s and the Wilsons’ donations.
I hope they have places to go and people to see and plane tickets out of town, as methinks a few whales are about to be “strengthened”.
They need a few more Moby Dicks for Cap’n Cob (Ahab) to harpoon. Shiver me timbers, yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum. Davey Jones’ locker is where the shrimp is heading. Ahoy matey!
Have y’all checked out that photo on the lower left of those folks at whatever event? I do NOT think the running program is being promoted to them. I say this because it does look like most of those people will need some help getting out of their chairs. …. hold everything! ….. this just in from my “inside friend” ….. GAT3 (which is on the drawing board now for 2020 for the big 70th anniversary of DMSMH) … there WILL be a “Cause Resurgence Rundown Phase II” …. wheelchairs around a pole …. and if you need it, you get ones with motors or you can have RPF guys wheel you around ….. if you think you could create energy at will on the original rundown, just wait until we add some more mest with wheels to your go round ….. the wins will explode stars galore and maybe even a small town or two in Nebraska …
Can someone answer my question or have I totally missed something.
Q: Does the local org keep the donations for the Ideal Org building? Or, are the donations or – part of the donations, sent up the lines somewhere? How does this all work? What’s in it for the COS International?
The money is generally kept locally, but they have no ability to spend it or any control over it. What is in it for CSI is that effectively CSI “owns” the assets of all orgs because it controls them completely. The Boards of Directors of local churches are selected and approved by CSI. They must be in good standing with CSI in order to maintain their positions (the bylaws of each corporation establish this as a requirement). Thus, if any of the local churches decided they were going to “mutiny” their undated resignations would be dated, the board would be declared SP and a new board would be installed instantly. Thus, whether the money is in the accounts of CSI, or the building is in the name of CSI is immaterial. The local orgs are owned, lock, stock and barrel by CSI.
Like I said before Mike, it’s all part of Dave’s I Deal Orgs Program.
No, my friend, it does not boil down to “a beingness.” It boils down to 2 or 3 rich, foolish people giving a boatload of money. It’s a one-off. All your talk about keep doing what works is pointless. There aren’t 20 more maniacs out there with that kind of scratch to lay on Valley Ideal Scam.
Quinn, let me make things a little simpler. Somehow, you and/or others convinced TWO PEOPLE to give almost the entire million dollars.
That is, and will continue to be, a very rare event.
Please don’t pull out an action affluence formula, and “write it up” with a bunch of blah blah blah, acting as if you are actually doing anything causative.
You will be lucky to make 25 K this week. And for the foreseeable future.
Look at the next tier down from the two whales. 1-5K. And only a handful of them.
Please, don’t write anything else like that action affluence formula. It’s really embarrassing.
I don’t have to listen to you you CICSMF. I will follow Dave to my grave. See, I can be a poet too. Piss of cake.
How many auditors did they make? How many preclears did they audit? How many CLEARs and OTs have they made. How many wins and successes in opening up peoples awareness were created.
If none, Whatever this is, it is not Scientology.
Auditors? Soooo two thousand and late.
Today its “New Civilization Builders”, “Humanitarians”, “Patrons”, “Crusaders” and “Meritoriouses” — those are all that is important and all that count.
Apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein.
I’m as horny for cash as a banker
I believe all of COB’s lies
If you refuse my demands before two
I’ll declare you a suppressive guy
Read my lips, no new parishoners! They ask too many questions and they look at the internet. One humanitarian beats a thousand new pcs in session.
Speaking of religion, here’s a relevant biblical reference: Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changersand and the benches of those selling doves. “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a den of robbers.”
Is that IDEAL ALLEY org?
Cooper – Carrie was a very good friend of mine. Robin, her husband is alive and well. She knew all was not right in the c of s. We used to discuss all the sick OTs and the declares. Unfortunately, she was in love with DM.
I have to fly under the radar right now but I wanted you to know her memorial was fantastic and she got a great send off and acknowledgement from CCHR.
Carrie had more physical problems than anyone I have ever met. She stayed in her body, working 80 hours a week regging for CCHR because she wanted to see the end of the psychs in her lifetime. If she only knew….Perhaps she does now.
So sad. I don’t even know her and I feel this way.
JAG,
Thank you for this info.about Carrie Alkins.
May she rest in peace.
Explains a great deal .
Jag, Thanks for clearing that up for me. I’m really glad to hear she was acknowledged!
Thanks Jag,
Glad to read that Carrie had a nice memorial.
She was the Qual Sec when I was the Staff Staff Auditor at CCHR Int back in the early ’90’s.
An all around nice person and a great senior.
I don’t understand something on these Ideal Org donations. Does the local org that the public is donating to, keep the donations for the building? Or, are the donations or part of the donations sent up the lines somewhere or what? How does this all work?
There are so many worthwhile causes out there. Here is just one example:
https://www.facebook.com/cityofhope
I believe that a donation to them would be a million times better or !!!!!!!!!!! You might even call it pan-determined or responsible. And you can run for them as well.
Am I in the wrong business or what! I have this really neat organization and if you’ll donate $300,000 each, you’ll be the happiest people on earth. As long as there are a bunch of people who can be conned, then the beat will go on. I get it because at one time I was one of those people who gladly gave my work and time and thought I was doing people good, including myself.
What “can” be done about it – I have no clue.
About wrong business.
I had a client who’s goal in life was to join
a rich guy’s vacation club Cost $25,000. to be considered to be a member and required disclosure of how you could enrich the membership. It was exclusive beyond description. So you went on vacations with ultra rich and the inference was would share secrets from each other of the rich and famous. In reality all had legal problems that involved money to the tune of multi millions and fought with their own lawyers constantly. About as bad as D.M.s fishbowl as Pope of a religion/business.
Moral of humble story: Money does not buy happiness .
Yeah, but it sure does buy palaces 🙂
Money may not buy happiness, but in DM’s world, it buys corrupt officials who look the other way. It buys IRS officials declaring a cult a church.
“I don’t care too much for money, money can’t buy me love.” John & Paul
Dear Mike,
IMHO It’s an addiction to money. More powerful than CRACK Cocaine.
What happened to the $42 million the Duggans gave them? Why are they always asking for more $?
Here’s another rhetorical question for you.
Why does the church need 2,000,000,000+ dollars?
Miscavige is going to end up like one of those guys that gets voted off Survivor with idols in his pocket. He’s is going to have enough money accumulated to PAY everyone in the US to come in and “find out about Dianetics and Scientology” and is going to have nothing left for them to find out about….
42 Million dollars from the Duggans?
You know when you set targets they need to be realistic ones. The only realistic aspect of this 11million $ target is to have Nancy Cartwright pay for the whole thing. Come on Nancy, give more!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can’t wait till Bart Simpson, like Luis Garcia, wakes up and sues the Church of Scientology for fraud.
Now THAT’S entertainment!
Alanzo
And Overrun ….. you know something? That COULD actually happen! I mentioned mental derangement …. I would not be shocked if the end point here is Nancy Cartwright doing the whole balance (whatever it is and whenever the deadline arrives) by herself. Crazy is as crazy does.
Wouldn’t it be great if one of the whales turned on Dave (aka Jaws) in a big way precipitating his downfall as did Moby Dick with Ahab? Poetic justice as in life imitating art.
Using the word “balance” to talk about much more money they need is a slimy trick. It implies they “owe” the money.
20 million, wonder how many clears they could make with that?
The beingness of an org has nothing to do with expensive
and gaudy exterior and interior. Amazing misconception.
That’s entheta, I don’t have to listen to it, stop it, stop it, stop it. Now look how you’ve enturbulated me. I’m disconnecting. No, stay away from me. HCO bring order!
+1
YOU are so spot-on Lars. I did an ops mission to Valley in I believe 82 to find their successful actions that were flooding there div 6 courses and sending the most starts
to the Academy in the U.S.. What I found of course feel on deaf ears. They had a CLVIll
running the Div6 course room, a CLVIII as Qual Sec ,and a CLVIII as ED. I asked the
ED why he put a CLVIII in Div6? He laughed and said I want someone on that post who
will keep the new public here and winning.
I believe the CLVIII’S are now declared SP”S.
That ED must have been Ike Kezbaum. He was always very much into top notch delivery and putting trained and qualified people onto posts.
I googled picture of people who donated to City of Hope to see what that looks like:
https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+of+people+that+donated+to+city+of+hope&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZsmhU5jHKs3soATNvoGICA&ved=0CEEQ7Ak&biw=1202&bih=592
Couldn’t see what you were looking at?
This “300” list, the last of the diehards, is very interesting. Some of
these seals are very accomplished people with degrees and doing
very well in the corporate world. But the most interesting part is the
amount of missing names of people who should be there or would
have been there just a few years ago.
Having to Have before you can deliver.
Reverse conditions, upside down ethics,
Rock on Quinn
To paraphrase Queen: “We will, we will rob you!”
Action Affluence?
I think that starts when you walk out the door of the church for the last time and then start calling around to find a skilled Independent Auditor who knows what they’re doing.
Absolute nonsense . The never ending fund raising campaigns . Why would any one in their right mind support such an organization. Oh wait….
Two names on that list jumped out at me: Dulce & Troy Hubbard.
Idle curiosity: Does anyone know if they’re related to Ron?
They are not.
True,
You will notice the absence of the name of Suzette who I believe still lives in the Valley.
Seems like her brother Arthur, she is staying a safe distance away from the Church of Criminality.
Smart kids.
Well I guess by Quinn’s logic: to become an asshole you have to be an asshole; or, to become a scam artist you have to be a scam artist; etc.
Mission accomplished!
Clear the planet under the Co$ = Mission Impossible.
His lingo is peculiar: “don’t let things roller coaster” or, “begun the movement to end phenomena” or, ‘the beingness went in” Interesting how mixes usual technical terms in a fundraising message.
And ‘we didn’t go into thousand different directions” is just an acceptance of the hectic, confusing and definitely dispersal they get into while trying to ‘meet the quotas’. In a way is sad the level of blindness and dishonest these people have arrived to.
He probably means nobody went off in the direction of getting trained or getting in session or doing something sane. God forbid anyone do anything but fundraising.
Good catch Silva,
I noticed the author’s affection of technical terms as well when describing something that is so blatantly off policy as if they are running a “process” of some kind instead of bilking people for money.
Like the old saying goes the devil will quote scripture to serve his ends or something to that effect.
David McSatan.
What does a Valley Girl Scientologist say? GAG 2 me with a spoon.
OMG, I am so sure. Like whatever.
It’s so nice to see that their future Ideal Org will have luxurious amenities such as refreshments and air-conditioning. No wonder it’s so expensive!
The cob should try to buy The Vatican so he can move Int Base there. Then he could prove how he really is the Pope. C’mon Dave, let’s see how good your intention is.
MJ,
Mmm, the Vatican and the Pope are suffering a serious case of bad PR re child abuse and sacrifice but yeah, could be a lot cheaper now to acquire and might fit right in with DMs anti-
2D actions.
Greta
On second thought, Alcatraz would be better. He’d have no blows.
Just imagine the reno costs to get the Vatican in line with Dave’s Ideal taste…
Tighten your belts folks, I smell another fundraiser on your time tracks.
The promo says “air conditioned” and yet there are no little icicles on the letters – that’s peculiar (revealing my age here I know, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen this on a Scientology promo piece). Nice to hear that the refreshments will be delicious. Can I bring some Jack in a flask?
Can someone explain to me that if I have to BE OT in order to beCOME OT… then why do I have to go through all that bullshit and pay all that money to beCOME OT when I already AM OT. It’s total doublethink at it’s most convoluted. kind of wraps the brain up in knots there. Just what DM wants. Whew… what must be going on in HIS brain right now. Pretty gnarly. Whew.
Zana, you need to be Zana in order to be Zana. Does that help?
Well Zana – it goes something like this: You have to be an Ideal Org to become an Ideal Org ie – you have to be an empty building to become an empty building 😀 Makes perfect sense!!
Hector Morales and Hector Morales. A little padding going on here, I think.
And Samantha McCue and Samantha McCue.
They’re twinning.
MJ – you crack me up! 😀
I aims to please 😀
In Affluence? More like Treason and Confusion.
More like Who Cares.
No kidding
Or maybe like Valley’s in a dip.
Between the folks who donate and borrow for their statuses and the paying of thousands to sauna and run, along with disconnecting from “declared” friends and family, I now think it is a legitimate question (not making a joke) for us experienced tech folks to ask if at a certain point in one’s involvement in Scientology, one becomes mentally deranged. Not easy to confront this possibility, but it is becoming more real to me all the time. Crazy is as crazy does.
“I now think it is a legitimate question (not making a joke) for us experienced tech folks to ask if at a certain point in one’s involvement in Scientology, one becomes mentally deranged.”
Need one ask, when it is so consistently demonstrated?
Actually, I can tell you from objective & subjective experience that it is so.
Maybe they are crazy Joe.
My view is that with the IAS and the shift from actually doing something worthy like auditing people or being on staff. All you had to do was give ’em money so you could achieve status and feel important.
You see this think reflected in society when various institutions lose their reason for existence such as promoting the arts or whatever and end up slavering over their rich patrons of the arts.
In this case the poor artist ends up spending their existence in a garret apartment with leaky plumbing while the people who bring in the bucks are rolling in the doe.
The whole thing is in my opinion perversely corrupt or corruptly perverted.
Some people ask how can the Church maintain their 501ciii status acting in such a manner but the fact is that this is how many 501ciii organizations operate.
No real exchange or to quote the IRC “tangible benefit” is supposed be expected.
Probably why the Church got in so much trouble with the IRS in my opinion because they claimed at least to give a tangible benefit of some kind.
Joe P, I think what’s helping to make and keep them stupid is a combination of out-tech being palmed off as in-tech, out-admin perpetrated on the untrained as on-policy/on-Source, and the out-ethics of an organization which is itself a seething mass of overts and witholds, a totally toxic, suppressive cult masquerading as a caring, helpful, generous organization in possession of the tech which is man’s only hope.
And in possession of some top of the line Scotch I might add.
Whew! You nailed it.
I saw him with that TIE 7 years ago. That’s right, things don’t change in Scientology 🙂
First of all, a balance of $11 million? ELEVEN million $$ more?
I guess the good news is that with about 300 people on that list, it’s only $36,666 each… For a piece of pretty concrete.
Geez people…wake up!
Also, advice to Quinn…when you tell people you want them to join the OTC, you may not want to include that it means you then expect them to come into the org nightly.
OTC every night?….Wow.
I see a lot of old farts in the photos
and names. Every night might be
a bit much for some of them.
If not them….then who?
Their children and grandchildren?
They can run around patting each other
on the back for this great affluence condition
but down deep I think a lot of them know that
ain’t gonna happen this week.
I see names that I was on the BC with….some
didn’t finish and some finished but never did
the internship. Being on the BC or having done
the BC was quite a status thing back then.
Now here they are still reaching for that status.
Still reaching for something they aren’t going to
finish.
Come on guys, you live in a beautiful state, go
travel around and enjoy it….it would be much more
theta than listening the the Mighty Quinn’s babble.
Hi Potpie,
When did you do the BC?
I did mine back in ’86.
If you ever want to get in comm and exchange old war stories you can reach me at archangel88(AT)hushmail(DOT)com.
BTW I knew several who were on the BC for status reasons even back then who were perpetually “on the Briefing Course” and who when I did my retread on the BC in the early 90’s because of the new checksheet and the “Certainty” because of GAT were still at the same level.
As far as I’m concerned these people are nothing but dilettantes and view the Church or OTC as nothing but an elitist social club and that the money they contribute is nothing but the high price they pay for exclusive membership.
Hi Remote,
I started the BC in ’76 and finished
the VI internship in ’78.
There were a lot of people on the BC
fdn schedule for a very long time. Well
into the early ’80’s.
There was so much agreement on training
back then it is hard to see them in such
agreement with the current scene.
The names I see on that list have either
changed drastically or they weren’t who
I thought they were.
I’m shaking my weary head at the pure DUMBNESS of it all. I guess most have given up the activity of actually thinking with coherence or logic.
Well the very first name on the list of friends to find is Robin Alkins who headed up the CCHR fundraising for years. I liked ‘Carrie’ and happened to have a conversation with her several weeks before she passed. She had not been informed that I was now a flaming apostate so we discussed that. She had much difficulty with the situation as I had known her for 30 years or so and had donated plenty to CCHR. She was not willing to disconnect and was obviously very conflicted and was crying but then had to control herself due to her supervisor or perhaps others in the room.
I did my best to comfort her and said if there was anything she needed to call me. Then I found out she had passed away. May she find her peace.
And now the losers at the cult do not have the decency to acknowledge her for her dedication and hard work and continue to leave her name on a list of folks you can ‘meet up with’ at their wonderful next fleecing event.
More lies from a pack of true arrogant sons of bitches ……………… I could give them the benefit of the doubt but my gut tells me they would leave her name on that list even knowing she had passed away. But perhaps it is just my bad attitude!
Cooper, I don’t know how long ago Robin died, but I’m fairly sure they know, they seem to be on top of things like that. Knowing that about the list makes the whole list suspect. I’m sorry for the loss of your friend. I am so over the continual hurt that people suffer on an ongoing basis in the name of “the greatest good.” Bullshit
Cooper,
You say Carrie Alkins passed away ? As in dropped her body.
When did this happen?
Cooper, just to clear up: Robin Alkins is a man and was married to Carrie for many years.
Then I stand corrected. I thought Carrie had told me her first name was Robin.
History 101
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”
This phrase is typically used to describe someone who loses their money quickly, either by being tricked or spending it wastefully.
There are wise and not-so-wise ways to spend one’s money. For instance, would you deem it foolish for someone to spend money on certain necessary things, such as food, water, or clothes? Probably not. However, if a person were to lose their money by betting a chunk of it on a horse race, gambling it away at a casino, or by spending it wastefully on things that are not needed, well, some would consider that to be unwise. Hence, this phrase likely originates from a basic observation: when people act foolishly with their money, it doesn’t last very long.
As for the history of this phrase, it is over 450 years old! This expression has been around since at least the year 1557, as it was used by the poet Thomas Tusser. He wrote a poem called Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry, and the saying can be found within:
“A foole and his money be soone at debate: which after with sorow repents him too late.”