And his Mccallums of course.

One can simply observe start and finish hours BTW. Org hours are listed in PL form.

Your insider info of 25-30 staff at an org like ST Louis org in the last 35 years is complete BS. Whoever told you that is on drugs or lying. I had COMPLETE DETAILS of every org on the planet through the 90’s. NONE other than a few Sea Org staff inflated orgs have grown since then.

Sorry but you will have to see to believe.

Wynksi, I’m just asking you for positive proof of your claims.

And yes, for an urban org without a surface parking lot, you’d probably need to put in hours if not a full day of observation to actually get an accurate idea of how many people are inside. I’ve thought about how I might do it sometime when I visit a big city, and that’s the only thing I can come up with that seems as if would be meaningfully accurate.

For about two decades now there’s been a well-established pattern that when SPs show up at an org, it goes into lockdown and they send out a few of their toughest handlers – DSAs, security or Sea Org. So whoever comes out of an org when you show up to hassle them for a bit, doesn’t tell you much about who’s actually inside (I was at protests long ago when that dynamic was first emerging).

Denver is an apples-and-oranges comparison because it’s an urban org in a dense area where there is demand for paid parking – St. Louis is not (and insider sources here were even able to match descriptions of vehicles observed with the staff and members who own them). Denver is also another org I happen to have detailed insider information about as of several years ago – similar to the org I cited figures for previously, 25-30 staff (I saw shown pictures from a holiday party feteing them, and counted), about twice as many active members, plus about as as many more in their ‘field’ who would come for major events including from one still-extant suburban mission.

Glenn observed:
“Intesting the org had to call in public members to board up window.”

I found it interesting they had “public” they could call to try to get help. My impression was that most, if not all, scns had succumbed to the pressure to join staff, or worse, the Sea Org.

Linear13 ,
Were you searching for: “Crazier than an outhouse rat?”

Peacemaker, you left off the reports on the stat reports 😉

How dare COB call my ex-wife Sharron a hag.
When we were married DM would send her around the world doing “Ethics Cycles”. Being a woman, she could not beat up people like DM.
So she developed her mouth as a lethal weapon. She even had a term for it; diareahea of the mouth”. Captain Napier once told the crew at staff meeting that one had to be brave to even walk down C deck Port side where her office was. Even a good looking woman will look like a hag with a mouth as foul as that. She will be 70 years old in October, just in time for Halloween. Just as she is, with no costume she makes a good witch.

Proof of a NEGATIVE? People NOT walking into an org? You want the names of ALL the people that are NOT staff in an empty org? That would be everyone on the planet. I guess I could ask the people not in the empty building that were there who else wasn’t there?

I guess I could have videoed for hours and hours.

Cars parked = evidence of CARS parked there. Denver org rents out its parking spaces… An “Insider” who recently left should be able to tell you the names of those working there recently (past month or so). Get the list and post

Wynski, do you have any of that sort of proof – like documentation and counts – to back up your claims? If so, please provide it, or link to it.

I’ve visited enough orgs on urban blocks to have observed that it’s hard to tell how many people might actually be working behind the scenes on what are typically multiple floors. It seems to me that with those sorts of orgs you’d either have to catch a muster that you were certain virtually all staff attended, or take the time to carefully count comings and goings from all possible entrances over an extended period, probably a whole day – have you or anyone else you know of, done anything methodical like that?

I also personally knew of an org in a good-sized metropolitan area that as of about 2012-15, had 25 to 30 individual staff on the org board, though I’m not certain how many might have been part timers; it had a regularly active membership of about 60 (overlapping with staff), but could get a total “field” of over 100 to come to big annual events, some of those from outlying suburbs that once had or still did have missions. That suggests a staff to public ratio of 1:2 to 1:1, which fits with reports we’ve had here from people with inside knowledge of other orgs, including more recently.

In the case of St. Louis we have an org in a suburb (University City) without mass transit to speak of, and with its own surface parking that is easily observed. From an insider, we have a list of names of about 2 dozen total staff in recent years. And we have multiple reports of car counts that fit with about 8 to 12 staff (possibly over two separate “org” shifts), and an equal number of public, being in the building at most times that it’s open.

What better examples or evidence do we have?

Unfortunately, I totally agree with your summary of the current scene for Class V org staff, Peacemaker. The pressure on them from all sides must be…I can’t even get the right word out. Hopefully, hopefully, this pandemic situation will be what causes them route off or blow. Hopefully, they’ll suffer so much that the the pressures are insurmountable. That sounds disgusting when I say it, I know. But what else will wake them up? Obviously they’re not going to “cognite”. So, I hope they suffer – God forgive me – but I hope they suffer JUST ENOUGH to believe they have no choice other than to leave.