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		By: Cathy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-260101</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2019 03:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-258508&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey mike. 

I haven’t either. It’s been well over a few weeks. I’ve been hoping it would appear back In My email.  For now I’ve been google searching this great site of yours.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-258508">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Hey mike. </p>
<p>I haven’t either. It’s been well over a few weeks. I’ve been hoping it would appear back In My email.  For now I’ve been google searching this great site of yours.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2019 03:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-259588&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t worry No-Wynski, you&#039;ll never understand this. But keep commenting, anyone with any intelligence can see the lack of such in your comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-259588">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry No-Wynski, you&#8217;ll never understand this. But keep commenting, anyone with any intelligence can see the lack of such in your comments.</p>
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		By: gtsix		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gtsix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-259015&quot;&gt;Janis Gillham Grady&lt;/a&gt;.

Did LRH order others to hit others?  If so, how many times do you recall?

How many times were people thrown off the ship?  How many people sustained injuries (mental or physical)?   Why was that not an &quot;ethics&quot; offense?

Just wondering.

Thanks for any answer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-259015">Janis Gillham Grady</a>.</p>
<p>Did LRH order others to hit others?  If so, how many times do you recall?</p>
<p>How many times were people thrown off the ship?  How many people sustained injuries (mental or physical)?   Why was that not an &#8220;ethics&#8221; offense?</p>
<p>Just wondering.</p>
<p>Thanks for any answer.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-259547&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Once again Logicproof your insanity got the best of you.  There is no way for anyone to KNOW that you would hit someone unless they saw you DO it under those circumstances.  Unless, you walked around blathering to everyone how you would hit people if they did X to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-259547">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Once again Logicproof your insanity got the best of you.  There is no way for anyone to KNOW that you would hit someone unless they saw you DO it under those circumstances.  Unless, you walked around blathering to everyone how you would hit people if they did X to you.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2019 11:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-258862&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

Willingness to do so isn&#039;t actually doing so, or have you also misduplicated that as well. And of course i never actually had to do so unlike the admission of your role model above. This is your mind on &quot;Scientology&quot;. Yet another misunderstanding, tut tut Brian, you really should have done the PRD. With every comment you embarrass yourself further.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-258862">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>Willingness to do so isn&#8217;t actually doing so, or have you also misduplicated that as well. And of course i never actually had to do so unlike the admission of your role model above. This is your mind on &#8220;Scientology&#8221;. Yet another misunderstanding, tut tut Brian, you really should have done the PRD. With every comment you embarrass yourself further.</p>
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		By: Roger Larsson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Larsson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Fists in Fury carry the cult on. Old pour salt in their wounds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Fists in Fury carry the cult on. Old pour salt in their wounds.</p>
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		By: Janis Gillham Grady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janis Gillham Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2019 07:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I grew up in Scientology and worked for Hubbard nearly 6 hrs a day for 11 years - 8 years on the Apollo. It was not a violent atmosphere the majority of the time. Hubbard did have a violent temper and not only yelled but whined and moans a lot but he was not into daily, weekly, monthly, etc beatings and neither were the officers and crew. My understanding, while in the Sea Org for 22 years, of FO 2710 shown above, that it was a comm ev offense to hurt another Sea Org member - it was not acceptable and was an ethics offense to hurt someone. In the 11 years  as covered in my two books, Commodore&#039;s Messenger A Child Adrift in the Scientology Sea Org and Riding Out the Storms with L. Ron Hubbard, I tell of maybe four instances where Hubbard did physically hit someone: two instances related to the safety of the ship, one was for stating LRH had Rock Slams (an e-meter needle reaction) and the other was striking a man for having had sex with a girl under the age of 18. The abuse of today&#039;s &quot;Church of Scientology&quot; has taken abuse to a whole new level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Scientology and worked for Hubbard nearly 6 hrs a day for 11 years &#8211; 8 years on the Apollo. It was not a violent atmosphere the majority of the time. Hubbard did have a violent temper and not only yelled but whined and moans a lot but he was not into daily, weekly, monthly, etc beatings and neither were the officers and crew. My understanding, while in the Sea Org for 22 years, of FO 2710 shown above, that it was a comm ev offense to hurt another Sea Org member &#8211; it was not acceptable and was an ethics offense to hurt someone. In the 11 years  as covered in my two books, Commodore&#8217;s Messenger A Child Adrift in the Scientology Sea Org and Riding Out the Storms with L. Ron Hubbard, I tell of maybe four instances where Hubbard did physically hit someone: two instances related to the safety of the ship, one was for stating LRH had Rock Slams (an e-meter needle reaction) and the other was striking a man for having had sex with a girl under the age of 18. The abuse of today&#8217;s &#8220;Church of Scientology&#8221; has taken abuse to a whole new level.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2019 17:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The violence also existed in the Sea Org in the early seventies. I was roughed up my Al Bornstein, now Kate Bornstein (who has profusely apologized to me) at FOLOEUS.

Hubbard was a dangerous person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The violence also existed in the Sea Org in the early seventies. I was roughed up my Al Bornstein, now Kate Bornstein (who has profusely apologized to me) at FOLOEUS.</p>
<p>Hubbard was a dangerous person.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2019 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-258616&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

FP says

“.......and those that knew me knew that they would get a swift right hook if they tried it it on with me – so I was never ever threatened with such – quite simple – as LRH says it’s called “Ethics presence”.

Such a plethora of words to reveal as Hubbard’s dark side. FP, thanks for revealing your understanding of ethics presence. It was Ron’s also.

What great insights into the degeneration of word definitions. Ethics peresence as willing to kick the shit out of people.

FP, you are such a valuable voice. Ethics presence means able to kick the shit out of people...... lol! 

This is your mind on Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-258616">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>FP says</p>
<p>“&#8230;&#8230;.and those that knew me knew that they would get a swift right hook if they tried it it on with me – so I was never ever threatened with such – quite simple – as LRH says it’s called “Ethics presence”.</p>
<p>Such a plethora of words to reveal as Hubbard’s dark side. FP, thanks for revealing your understanding of ethics presence. It was Ron’s also.</p>
<p>What great insights into the degeneration of word definitions. Ethics peresence as willing to kick the shit out of people.</p>
<p>FP, you are such a valuable voice. Ethics presence means able to kick the shit out of people&#8230;&#8230; lol! </p>
<p>This is your mind on Scientology.</p>
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		By: Kat LaRue		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kat LaRue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2019 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/violence-at-the-top-of-scientology/#comment-258413&quot;&gt;jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere,
It’s probably one of the few ways he has to feel powerful.  And since he can be really certain that no o e will fight back, he feels it’s his right to physically abuse people. Great inferiority complex he has going on.]]></description>
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<p>Jere,<br />
It’s probably one of the few ways he has to feel powerful.  And since he can be really certain that no o e will fight back, he feels it’s his right to physically abuse people. Great inferiority complex he has going on.</p>
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