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	Comments on: &#8220;We&#8217;re The Jive Aces and We&#8217;re All Scientologists&#8221;	</title>
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		By: Graham Cole		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2018 06:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So I’ve been aware of the jive aces since around 2010, ever since I started learning to Lindy hop. I first saw them at a swing dance gig at the Albert Hall in London. Yes they were great but they get very boring very quickly.  They now put on an annual gig at St Hill Manor called Summertime Swing, which I attended for the very first time this year.  TBH I hadn’t let the idea of Scientology bother me previously until after this gig. 

I was aware of the bad press it had gained and I’d watch the BBC Panorama programme when it first aired but beyond that nothing more. Well the Scientology sources will have you believe that the gig was a huge success and I have to admit it was a pleasant afternoon in that we had some great friends with us, and we had an opportunity to see people we haven’t seen in a long time.  

It was actually when the wife and I went for a walk and sat by the lake that she asked me what is Scientology.  Straight away I went into the cult horror story and their tactics.  

That conversation has lead to a huge fascination in the cult and a real want to see it fall to its knees. We’ve both been catching up on videos from yourself Mike, Tony Ortega, Mark Bunker and many more.

I suppose on a personal level that I spent a bit of money to go to the gig and I now feel a bit tainted. But the scary thought is that a lot of people I know took part in that gig and look forward to it annually.  Of course I’m un aware how my friends really view the church and whether they see this as dance opportunity or something more. 

The reality is that approx 2500 people went at £19 a ticket. Does that end up in the pocket of David Miscavige or somewhere else. I guess it just concerns me that something I enjoy can so easily be touched by these scumbags and their false ideology. 

How to stop it is the question and how to help see it gone for good. Any thoughts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I’ve been aware of the jive aces since around 2010, ever since I started learning to Lindy hop. I first saw them at a swing dance gig at the Albert Hall in London. Yes they were great but they get very boring very quickly.  They now put on an annual gig at St Hill Manor called Summertime Swing, which I attended for the very first time this year.  TBH I hadn’t let the idea of Scientology bother me previously until after this gig. </p>
<p>I was aware of the bad press it had gained and I’d watch the BBC Panorama programme when it first aired but beyond that nothing more. Well the Scientology sources will have you believe that the gig was a huge success and I have to admit it was a pleasant afternoon in that we had some great friends with us, and we had an opportunity to see people we haven’t seen in a long time.  </p>
<p>It was actually when the wife and I went for a walk and sat by the lake that she asked me what is Scientology.  Straight away I went into the cult horror story and their tactics.  </p>
<p>That conversation has lead to a huge fascination in the cult and a real want to see it fall to its knees. We’ve both been catching up on videos from yourself Mike, Tony Ortega, Mark Bunker and many more.</p>
<p>I suppose on a personal level that I spent a bit of money to go to the gig and I now feel a bit tainted. But the scary thought is that a lot of people I know took part in that gig and look forward to it annually.  Of course I’m un aware how my friends really view the church and whether they see this as dance opportunity or something more. </p>
<p>The reality is that approx 2500 people went at £19 a ticket. Does that end up in the pocket of David Miscavige or somewhere else. I guess it just concerns me that something I enjoy can so easily be touched by these scumbags and their false ideology. </p>
<p>How to stop it is the question and how to help see it gone for good. Any thoughts?</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Yawnalot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 21:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202615&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, we&#039;re on the same page. Just a moment of your time, a smile and show a bit of interest  can do wonders for someone&#039;s else&#039;s self esteem and makes you feel good too. It&#039;s tough when you&#039;re really busy but it&#039;s a nice habit to have or acquire.
Having your wits about you is essential in business but I detest those that cross the line and intentionally rip people off. The Cof$ is an outstanding example of theft by intent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202615">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, we&#8217;re on the same page. Just a moment of your time, a smile and show a bit of interest  can do wonders for someone&#8217;s else&#8217;s self esteem and makes you feel good too. It&#8217;s tough when you&#8217;re really busy but it&#8217;s a nice habit to have or acquire.<br />
Having your wits about you is essential in business but I detest those that cross the line and intentionally rip people off. The Cof$ is an outstanding example of theft by intent.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 16:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202589&quot;&gt;I Yawnalot&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed, Yawn. We&#039;re tracking.  I&#039;m self employed too.  For 35 years I&#039;ve  managed to do OK without doing people in. Doing people in, taking unfair advantage of  trusting, unknowledgeable and otherwise vulnerable people in any demographic is  BAD business. NOT the way to survive.  Helping people for no exchange can be fun, actually. You can make someone almost instantly happy just by listening for a while and steering in the right direction, even if you can&#039;t really do anything for them business-wise.  They don&#039;t expect it.  Sometimes its a pain in the ass and inconvenient, but it ends up being a good thing.   And it doesn&#039;t hurt business, its not like you&#039;re doing nothing but this all day. Just when the opportunity arises.  You can shoot someone who&#039;s depressed way uptone, for a while - ping! Just by doing this.  Fun, kind of - creating this effect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202589">I Yawnalot</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed, Yawn. We&#8217;re tracking.  I&#8217;m self employed too.  For 35 years I&#8217;ve  managed to do OK without doing people in. Doing people in, taking unfair advantage of  trusting, unknowledgeable and otherwise vulnerable people in any demographic is  BAD business. NOT the way to survive.  Helping people for no exchange can be fun, actually. You can make someone almost instantly happy just by listening for a while and steering in the right direction, even if you can&#8217;t really do anything for them business-wise.  They don&#8217;t expect it.  Sometimes its a pain in the ass and inconvenient, but it ends up being a good thing.   And it doesn&#8217;t hurt business, its not like you&#8217;re doing nothing but this all day. Just when the opportunity arises.  You can shoot someone who&#8217;s depressed way uptone, for a while &#8211; ping! Just by doing this.  Fun, kind of &#8211; creating this effect.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202608</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202516&quot;&gt;peterblood71&lt;/a&gt;.

If she&#039;s musical the drummer&#039;s daughter could start a gril group called The Live Canaries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202516">peterblood71</a>.</p>
<p>If she&#8217;s musical the drummer&#8217;s daughter could start a gril group called The Live Canaries.</p>
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		By: Gimpy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202599</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gimpy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202572&quot;&gt;Mark Orr&lt;/a&gt;.

Once you know quite a bit of scientology you can find references to it through out both his early and later work, its a particular mindset you start to recognize.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202572">Mark Orr</a>.</p>
<p>Once you know quite a bit of scientology you can find references to it through out both his early and later work, its a particular mindset you start to recognize.</p>
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		By: White Light		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202594</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[White Light]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202565&quot;&gt;clearlypissedoff&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m sorry to hear that. He was a good friend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202565">clearlypissedoff</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear that. He was a good friend.</p>
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		By: Dark Avenger		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202591</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Avenger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 12:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202545&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Change one vowel and you&#039;ve just described the CoS.]]></description>
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<p>Change one vowel and you&#8217;ve just described the CoS.</p>
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		By: Maria B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 08:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202564&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh I need to hear this!   I might check on the Tube.  If anyone has any links, it would be sooo appreciated:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202564">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>Oh I need to hear this!   I might check on the Tube.  If anyone has any links, it would be sooo appreciated:)</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202589</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Yawnalot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 07:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202577&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Any business does. Hey, it&#039;s tough out there. I&#039;ve been self employed for over 30 years. I don&#039;t give single reasons Aqua, just what I see. I very much have a soft spot for people who deserve a better break, like veterans and the elderly. Business people generally can&#039;t afford to care - still doesn&#039;t make it right thou.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202577">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Any business does. Hey, it&#8217;s tough out there. I&#8217;ve been self employed for over 30 years. I don&#8217;t give single reasons Aqua, just what I see. I very much have a soft spot for people who deserve a better break, like veterans and the elderly. Business people generally can&#8217;t afford to care &#8211; still doesn&#8217;t make it right thou.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 04:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/were-the-jive-aces-and-were-all-scientologists/#comment-202567&quot;&gt;Debbie Colasante&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent, Debbie.  These people will now know with whom and with what they are actually dealing and supporting..]]></description>
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<p>Excellent, Debbie.  These people will now know with whom and with what they are actually dealing and supporting..</p>
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