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		By: Asher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 00:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Remember this is all a delay tactic for the release of OT-9 and OT-10. (At least from what I&#039;ve learned from Mike and the various SPTV YouTube channels.). 

Can you imagine at the next Freewinds OT-8 presentation (I forgot what they&#039;re called) the audience storms the stage and dismember DM. So far only in my dreams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember this is all a delay tactic for the release of OT-9 and OT-10. (At least from what I&#8217;ve learned from Mike and the various SPTV YouTube channels.). </p>
<p>Can you imagine at the next Freewinds OT-8 presentation (I forgot what they&#8217;re called) the audience storms the stage and dismember DM. So far only in my dreams.</p>
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		By: RoseMarie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2023 12:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is mind boggling!  The pressure for money never ends!  Ugh. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f611.png" alt="😑" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is mind boggling!  The pressure for money never ends!  Ugh. 😑</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2023 01:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525339&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere, I&#039;ve read that the money raised for &quot;ideal&quot; orgs is supposed to be set aside until work begins - but I would not count on CofS accounting practices, of course.  The funds might even only be maintained on paper, sort of like the infamous money on account for services put down in advance that is not actually held in reserve.

For starters, I wonder if ongoing expenses for properties bought are paid for out of the fund - and in a case like Philadelphia where the long empty building has a 6-figure tax bill and the org seems to be small and not very active, more could come out than goes in many years.  And then when (and if) it does come time to get to work, it seems the orgs are charged high prices for things that come through management such as items produced in sea org sweatshops, plus I bet they are assessed overhead like exorbitant project management fees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525339">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Jere, I&#8217;ve read that the money raised for &#8220;ideal&#8221; orgs is supposed to be set aside until work begins &#8211; but I would not count on CofS accounting practices, of course.  The funds might even only be maintained on paper, sort of like the infamous money on account for services put down in advance that is not actually held in reserve.</p>
<p>For starters, I wonder if ongoing expenses for properties bought are paid for out of the fund &#8211; and in a case like Philadelphia where the long empty building has a 6-figure tax bill and the org seems to be small and not very active, more could come out than goes in many years.  And then when (and if) it does come time to get to work, it seems the orgs are charged high prices for things that come through management such as items produced in sea org sweatshops, plus I bet they are assessed overhead like exorbitant project management fees.</p>
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		By: OSA Anti-BOT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2023 21:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525128&quot;&gt;Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht&lt;/a&gt;.

They have had so much experience framing innocent people that I would think they could sell frames for a much lower price.

Let us all rejoice that most of our society knows they frame people and we know enough to just reject getting behind any of their &quot;frame ups&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525128">Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht</a>.</p>
<p>They have had so much experience framing innocent people that I would think they could sell frames for a much lower price.</p>
<p>Let us all rejoice that most of our society knows they frame people and we know enough to just reject getting behind any of their &#8220;frame ups&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2023 21:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s obvious that KSW is no longer considered important, which is about time since the practices never DID deliver what they were advertised to do, it was always going to be delivered on the NEXT level, or you did something wrong to invalidate the process or some OTHER excuse, showing that scn never worked to &quot;keep&quot; it doing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious that KSW is no longer considered important, which is about time since the practices never DID deliver what they were advertised to do, it was always going to be delivered on the NEXT level, or you did something wrong to invalidate the process or some OTHER excuse, showing that scn never worked to &#8220;keep&#8221; it doing.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2023 21:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525287&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

PeaceMaker, IIRC, ALL the money goes &quot;uplines&quot;; some MAY come back down to pay Org expenses, utilities, and perhaps even some staff pay — the lowest priority since staff don&#039;t actually need to eat or sleep.  HEY! they were the first breatharians!  But I guess Dwarfenführer® would call that &quot;mixing practices&quot; and squirrel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525287">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>PeaceMaker, IIRC, ALL the money goes &#8220;uplines&#8221;; some MAY come back down to pay Org expenses, utilities, and perhaps even some staff pay — the lowest priority since staff don&#8217;t actually need to eat or sleep.  HEY! they were the first breatharians!  But I guess Dwarfenführer® would call that &#8220;mixing practices&#8221; and squirrel.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2023 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s sad that the clams accept buying status instead of WORKING for their status within the organization.  I guess they&#039;ve figured out that the lower levels &quot;clear&quot; and the OT levels are useless.  They NEVER deliver what was advertized]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad that the clams accept buying status instead of WORKING for their status within the organization.  I guess they&#8217;ve figured out that the lower levels &#8220;clear&#8221; and the OT levels are useless.  They NEVER deliver what was advertized</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2023 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525128&quot;&gt;Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht&lt;/a&gt;.

And that frame, being separate, is priced as if it were showing off an exquisite art work, easily $1,000 or more.  That&#039;s how davey rolls.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525128">Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht</a>.</p>
<p>And that frame, being separate, is priced as if it were showing off an exquisite art work, easily $1,000 or more.  That&#8217;s how davey rolls.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2023 21:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525207&quot;&gt;GL&lt;/a&gt;.

I wish I could just upvote your spot-on remark:
&quot;“What Do Your Ideal Org Donations Buy?”

&quot;Many barrels of expensive scotch and new hair transplants for Demento.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-do-your-ideal-org-donations-buy/#comment-525207">GL</a>.</p>
<p>I wish I could just upvote your spot-on remark:<br />
&#8220;“What Do Your Ideal Org Donations Buy?”</p>
<p>&#8220;Many barrels of expensive scotch and new hair transplants for Demento.&#8221;</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2023 12:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over half the money raised just goes &#039;uplines,&#039; according to some accounts - padded expenses, and probably typically overpriced things the orgs have to buy from Sea Org facilities and shops that produce them with virtual slave labor.

And in the case of Toronto it was reported that at one point all the money the locals had raised was &#039;regged&#039; for some international &#039;emergency&#039; - they were apparently expected to just start over.  

I&#039;ve also seen speculation that money raised ends up getting used up on expenses for the  buildings bought but ending up sitting abandoned for a decade or more, such as property taxes (many have been denied exemptions because they&#039;re not in use as &#039;churches&#039;), and may even be being tapped to cover the bills of orgs no longer doing enough business to cover expenses of the properties they&#039;re using in the meanting.  It seems plausible that the costumed events are in at least some cases being used as an underhanded way to raise money to keep the lights on, which some orgs are known to have had to try to pass the hat for in the past.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over half the money raised just goes &#8216;uplines,&#8217; according to some accounts &#8211; padded expenses, and probably typically overpriced things the orgs have to buy from Sea Org facilities and shops that produce them with virtual slave labor.</p>
<p>And in the case of Toronto it was reported that at one point all the money the locals had raised was &#8216;regged&#8217; for some international &#8217;emergency&#8217; &#8211; they were apparently expected to just start over.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen speculation that money raised ends up getting used up on expenses for the  buildings bought but ending up sitting abandoned for a decade or more, such as property taxes (many have been denied exemptions because they&#8217;re not in use as &#8216;churches&#8217;), and may even be being tapped to cover the bills of orgs no longer doing enough business to cover expenses of the properties they&#8217;re using in the meanting.  It seems plausible that the costumed events are in at least some cases being used as an underhanded way to raise money to keep the lights on, which some orgs are known to have had to try to pass the hat for in the past.</p>
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