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		By: Larry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-327030&quot;&gt;Bruce Lyon&lt;/a&gt;.

You have been a scientologist for 51+ years and don&#039;t know who Mike Rinder is or his past role in Scientology?  I&#039;d be careful floating around the &#039;ignorance&#039; label.  Assuming that someone is ignorant because they disagree with you is exactly the problem, (although it seems in scientology it&#039;s not simply an assumption but a strategy).  You may well be a good person, but calling someone ignorant because you don&#039;t agree with them is not something a good person does.  If you are a good person, I challenge you look into this deeply enough to know how absurd your statement is and understand that you owe an apology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-327030">Bruce Lyon</a>.</p>
<p>You have been a scientologist for 51+ years and don&#8217;t know who Mike Rinder is or his past role in Scientology?  I&#8217;d be careful floating around the &#8216;ignorance&#8217; label.  Assuming that someone is ignorant because they disagree with you is exactly the problem, (although it seems in scientology it&#8217;s not simply an assumption but a strategy).  You may well be a good person, but calling someone ignorant because you don&#8217;t agree with them is not something a good person does.  If you are a good person, I challenge you look into this deeply enough to know how absurd your statement is and understand that you owe an apology.</p>
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		By: JulesT101		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2020 19:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I gotta say, ZeeMoo is one of the funniest, righteous commenters here. Congrats to Mark for his win! Now let&#039;s hope he can do some good. Though I hate to say it, Clearwater will likely not make many inroads against the church unless they start fighting just as dirty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, ZeeMoo is one of the funniest, righteous commenters here. Congrats to Mark for his win! Now let&#8217;s hope he can do some good. Though I hate to say it, Clearwater will likely not make many inroads against the church unless they start fighting just as dirty.</p>
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		By: MieMie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2020 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-327030&quot;&gt;Bruce Lyon&lt;/a&gt;.

And the same could be said about your opinion. 
There are buildings owned by the Scientology group left dormant. Scientology buys up the properties and then does nothing with them AND then they have the children from their schools go door to door asking for donations for their schools when they could sell a building and improve their schools without peddling the children. Downtown is no longer a visitors destination but the hoarding of buildings. The only thing Scientology is after is money. I’ve never heard of having to pay to be a part of a “church”.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-327030">Bruce Lyon</a>.</p>
<p>And the same could be said about your opinion.<br />
There are buildings owned by the Scientology group left dormant. Scientology buys up the properties and then does nothing with them AND then they have the children from their schools go door to door asking for donations for their schools when they could sell a building and improve their schools without peddling the children. Downtown is no longer a visitors destination but the hoarding of buildings. The only thing Scientology is after is money. I’ve never heard of having to pay to be a part of a “church”.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-327030&quot;&gt;Bruce Lyon&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, that&#039;s an odd response.

The person who wrote that article simply quoted the answers from the candidates to a series of questions.

The only &quot;writing&quot; that occurred was my editorial comments. I would wager I have read a lot more scientology and done a lot more courses than you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-327030">Bruce Lyon</a>.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s an odd response.</p>
<p>The person who wrote that article simply quoted the answers from the candidates to a series of questions.</p>
<p>The only &#8220;writing&#8221; that occurred was my editorial comments. I would wager I have read a lot more scientology and done a lot more courses than you.</p>
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		By: Bruce Lyon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2020 18:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been a Scientologist for over 51 years. We are GOOD PEOPLE
The person that wrote this article has probably never read a scientology book or done a scientology course. His opinion can only be based upon ignorance - SAD!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a Scientologist for over 51 years. We are GOOD PEOPLE<br />
The person that wrote this article has probably never read a scientology book or done a scientology course. His opinion can only be based upon ignorance &#8211; SAD!</p>
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		By: Susan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319846&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Really!? What would you guess the estimate of citizens to non citizens is for those who LIVE here and frequent FLAG regularly. Not including those who just visit for a weekend &quot;training&quot; etc...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319846">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Really!? What would you guess the estimate of citizens to non citizens is for those who LIVE here and frequent FLAG regularly. Not including those who just visit for a weekend &#8220;training&#8221; etc&#8230;</p>
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		By: Zee Moo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319797&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

The Clampire will go to court and destroy any attempt at Eminent domain.  Legally,  the city may get away with using eminent domain if they have a good redevelopment plan.  But be certain that Miscavige will fight any such attempt with tooth and nail.  And he won&#039;t use Lron&#039;s rotten teeth to do that. 

Any court fight would be determined by who has the most money.  In that scenario, $cientology wins.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319797">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>The Clampire will go to court and destroy any attempt at Eminent domain.  Legally,  the city may get away with using eminent domain if they have a good redevelopment plan.  But be certain that Miscavige will fight any such attempt with tooth and nail.  And he won&#8217;t use Lron&#8217;s rotten teeth to do that. </p>
<p>Any court fight would be determined by who has the most money.  In that scenario, $cientology wins.</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rip Van Winkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2020 14:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319844&quot;&gt;J.T. Marsh&lt;/a&gt;.

Registered voters can be called for jury duty.

$15.00 a day just for showing up.  

Libs and a raise!]]></description>
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<p>Registered voters can be called for jury duty.</p>
<p>$15.00 a day just for showing up.  </p>
<p>Libs and a raise!</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2020 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319806&quot;&gt;Peggy L&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed! I also like in his closing when he states his suggestions where he says it should be agreed that NO one in city council or administration should be allowed to meet with them surreptitiously. They do it on purpose! Just like you said above. 

All it takes is 1-2 weak links and they can undermine the entire council (and therefore city). There’s a very CLEAR (no pun intended) candidate above that, if not already a willing shill for co$, will easily become one because they either don’t see the wrong in what scientology does or are willing to turn a blind eye. Stark difference from other candidates.]]></description>
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<p>Agreed! I also like in his closing when he states his suggestions where he says it should be agreed that NO one in city council or administration should be allowed to meet with them surreptitiously. They do it on purpose! Just like you said above. </p>
<p>All it takes is 1-2 weak links and they can undermine the entire council (and therefore city). There’s a very CLEAR (no pun intended) candidate above that, if not already a willing shill for co$, will easily become one because they either don’t see the wrong in what scientology does or are willing to turn a blind eye. Stark difference from other candidates.</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2020 19:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319824&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Peacemaker -
I agree with everything you say above but for one point. The potential of this becoming a “flap” with whales. While I agree this could be the case with upper middle-class donors, as they can’t afford to have a few hundred thousand sitting with no ROI. Though I think as many before them, they will just quietly try to distance and detach themselves, even potentially transferring or selling cheaply to co$. The true “whales” are a different story. 

They have enough working capital incoming from other areas to let even $1-2mm in investment sit on behalf of DM/co$ and continue to swallow his excuses. That they&#039;ve turned a blind eye to empty Ideal Orgs, yet continue to fund them when locals go bust illustrates this IMHO. 

I’d LIKE to believe their business savvy would kick in... cognitive dissonance &#038; all, but in that case shouldn’t it have occurred long ago? Even people with rudimentary understanding of business economics and ROI can see the absolute lack of return or benefit when spending money for co$. Yet they continue to do it. 

Even Bob Dugan, whom many of us thought for a bit might be moving away from scientology - then he nipped that in the bud in his interview with TBT/McManus. Others are pressured with, “Look how much the Dugan family has done and is still doing!!” As the love bombing and status seems to be too heady a draw for them to give up unless/until they are personally attacked in some fashion. 

But, like you, I truly hope that some will allow themselves to admit they’re being used, wake up and leave. OR IRS does their job and when it&#039;s no longer a deductible donation, they’ll finally stop?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-clearwater-candidates-stand-on-scientology/#comment-319824">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Peacemaker &#8211;<br />
I agree with everything you say above but for one point. The potential of this becoming a “flap” with whales. While I agree this could be the case with upper middle-class donors, as they can’t afford to have a few hundred thousand sitting with no ROI. Though I think as many before them, they will just quietly try to distance and detach themselves, even potentially transferring or selling cheaply to co$. The true “whales” are a different story. </p>
<p>They have enough working capital incoming from other areas to let even $1-2mm in investment sit on behalf of DM/co$ and continue to swallow his excuses. That they&#8217;ve turned a blind eye to empty Ideal Orgs, yet continue to fund them when locals go bust illustrates this IMHO. </p>
<p>I’d LIKE to believe their business savvy would kick in&#8230; cognitive dissonance &amp; all, but in that case shouldn’t it have occurred long ago? Even people with rudimentary understanding of business economics and ROI can see the absolute lack of return or benefit when spending money for co$. Yet they continue to do it. </p>
<p>Even Bob Dugan, whom many of us thought for a bit might be moving away from scientology &#8211; then he nipped that in the bud in his interview with TBT/McManus. Others are pressured with, “Look how much the Dugan family has done and is still doing!!” As the love bombing and status seems to be too heady a draw for them to give up unless/until they are personally attacked in some fashion. </p>
<p>But, like you, I truly hope that some will allow themselves to admit they’re being used, wake up and leave. OR IRS does their job and when it&#8217;s no longer a deductible donation, they’ll finally stop?</p>
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