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		By: mwesten		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500769&quot;&gt;Alabamaslammer&lt;/a&gt;.

This is an organisation that claims, among other things, full command over the physical body and the power to halt the ageing process. It is arguably of interest if its primary spokesperson lacks these skills and is also reportedly unwilling to even learn them.

Hubbard was a fat ass with rotting teeth and stinking breath. If you knew the biomedical claims he made for his &quot;technology&quot;, you&#039;d perhaps appreciate its relevance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500769">Alabamaslammer</a>.</p>
<p>This is an organisation that claims, among other things, full command over the physical body and the power to halt the ageing process. It is arguably of interest if its primary spokesperson lacks these skills and is also reportedly unwilling to even learn them.</p>
<p>Hubbard was a fat ass with rotting teeth and stinking breath. If you knew the biomedical claims he made for his &#8220;technology&#8221;, you&#8217;d perhaps appreciate its relevance.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 19:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500769&quot;&gt;Alabamaslammer&lt;/a&gt;.

You know what?  In theory I agree with you.  In theory I completely agree that we should act better than they do, ala Michelle Obama&#039;s &quot;When they go low, we go high&quot;.  And n fact,  almost always in my personal life I operate in just that way and find it works best in handling obnoxious people.   People go low with me - it doesn&#039;t happen often but when it does,  I just ignore, withdraw,  don&#039;t engage, dismiss it with mildly contemptuous comment, refrain from insulting back, etc., etc., and I find it workable.

BUT!

With the Church of Scientology we are dealing with a kind of &quot;low&quot; that is SO low, SO egregiously and heinously harmful that people who have suffered because of them need an OUTLET.  People coming here need a safe space to VENT.

The insults, the &quot;joking and degrading&quot; shared  here are not made public.  Mike Rinder doesn&#039;t  trade personal appearance insults with the cult. They dish it out to him; he publicly ignores it, does not engage on their level.  He and Leah do their research and say what they have to say about what the cult.  Publicly neither of them, alone or together, engage with the cult in that way.  They never &quot;go low&quot; in public retaliation  when cult and its robots  publicly insult them, lie about them, degrade them.

But HERE?

This blog is a safe space.  This blog is you and your sister having coffee at the kitchen table blowing off steam together about someone or something and knowing that it will go no further, because if it did it would be harmful.

This blog is a guy having a few beers with a trusted friend or co-worker, a guy with a huge beef about his boss or his job.

Or the metaphor of your choice, but you get the idea.

The people here (not me, because I in my extreme good fortune left the cult relatively unscathed) the majority of the people reading and posting  here have been very hurt, their lives severely impacted in the most negative of ways, they have endured and continue to endure tremendous losses due to their former alliance with a ruthless, greedy, heartless cult.

So they come here to learn, laugh, cry sometimes and vent.  I would bet money that nearly everyone here in ordinary circumstances would never hold someone&#039;s looks against them in an argument.

When I bash cult people its mostly because it bothers me when very rich people dress badly.  I freely acknowledge how petty this is but what can I tell you; it bothers me.  When I see Trish Duggan in some cult photo wearing something that no doubt costs 10 thousand bucks and yet  looks  like she took her grandmother&#039;s dining room curtains from the 1930s and stitched herself up an evening gown with them, it bothers me.  Can&#039;t she pay someone to shop for her and dress her?  Huge money, awful, garish looking clothes...it bothers me.  So I bash them  here. And then Miscavige&#039;s height; we all bash him for that.  Well do I know (and I&#039;m sure, well does everyone else here know) that a man&#039;s height does not make a man a man. 

But Miscavige is a vicious, heartless  plug ugly prick and so I jeer at his height, his hair, his fake tan and his humble South Philly origins and last but not least, his execrable taste as regards Int Event decor.  It amuses me to bash him.

 None of the above would I do under ordinary circumstances.  But then, what this cult does to well-intentioned people who want to help others is not &quot;ordinary circumstances&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500769">Alabamaslammer</a>.</p>
<p>You know what?  In theory I agree with you.  In theory I completely agree that we should act better than they do, ala Michelle Obama&#8217;s &#8220;When they go low, we go high&#8221;.  And n fact,  almost always in my personal life I operate in just that way and find it works best in handling obnoxious people.   People go low with me &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t happen often but when it does,  I just ignore, withdraw,  don&#8217;t engage, dismiss it with mildly contemptuous comment, refrain from insulting back, etc., etc., and I find it workable.</p>
<p>BUT!</p>
<p>With the Church of Scientology we are dealing with a kind of &#8220;low&#8221; that is SO low, SO egregiously and heinously harmful that people who have suffered because of them need an OUTLET.  People coming here need a safe space to VENT.</p>
<p>The insults, the &#8220;joking and degrading&#8221; shared  here are not made public.  Mike Rinder doesn&#8217;t  trade personal appearance insults with the cult. They dish it out to him; he publicly ignores it, does not engage on their level.  He and Leah do their research and say what they have to say about what the cult.  Publicly neither of them, alone or together, engage with the cult in that way.  They never &#8220;go low&#8221; in public retaliation  when cult and its robots  publicly insult them, lie about them, degrade them.</p>
<p>But HERE?</p>
<p>This blog is a safe space.  This blog is you and your sister having coffee at the kitchen table blowing off steam together about someone or something and knowing that it will go no further, because if it did it would be harmful.</p>
<p>This blog is a guy having a few beers with a trusted friend or co-worker, a guy with a huge beef about his boss or his job.</p>
<p>Or the metaphor of your choice, but you get the idea.</p>
<p>The people here (not me, because I in my extreme good fortune left the cult relatively unscathed) the majority of the people reading and posting  here have been very hurt, their lives severely impacted in the most negative of ways, they have endured and continue to endure tremendous losses due to their former alliance with a ruthless, greedy, heartless cult.</p>
<p>So they come here to learn, laugh, cry sometimes and vent.  I would bet money that nearly everyone here in ordinary circumstances would never hold someone&#8217;s looks against them in an argument.</p>
<p>When I bash cult people its mostly because it bothers me when very rich people dress badly.  I freely acknowledge how petty this is but what can I tell you; it bothers me.  When I see Trish Duggan in some cult photo wearing something that no doubt costs 10 thousand bucks and yet  looks  like she took her grandmother&#8217;s dining room curtains from the 1930s and stitched herself up an evening gown with them, it bothers me.  Can&#8217;t she pay someone to shop for her and dress her?  Huge money, awful, garish looking clothes&#8230;it bothers me.  So I bash them  here. And then Miscavige&#8217;s height; we all bash him for that.  Well do I know (and I&#8217;m sure, well does everyone else here know) that a man&#8217;s height does not make a man a man. </p>
<p>But Miscavige is a vicious, heartless  plug ugly prick and so I jeer at his height, his hair, his fake tan and his humble South Philly origins and last but not least, his execrable taste as regards Int Event decor.  It amuses me to bash him.</p>
<p> None of the above would I do under ordinary circumstances.  But then, what this cult does to well-intentioned people who want to help others is not &#8220;ordinary circumstances&#8221;.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 15:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500704&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Fear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500704">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Fear.</p>
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		By: Alabamaslammer		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500769</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500705&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Shouldn’t we act better  than them?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500705">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Shouldn’t we act better  than them?</p>
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		By: maria mc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 12:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500704&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL]]></description>
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<p>LOL</p>
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		By: L Ron Hubbard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L Ron Hubbard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 12:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500614&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah where is Shelly Miscavige

&#038; 

Where is David Miscavige?]]></description>
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<p>Yeah where is Shelly Miscavige</p>
<p>&amp; </p>
<p>Where is David Miscavige?</p>
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		By: Aharon Friedman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aharon Friedman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 07:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500609&quot;&gt;Nancy&lt;/a&gt;.

When I was “Declared” (excommunicated) by the Co$, all my Scientology Facebook friends left. I sent each of them a nice letter explaining what happened and thanking them for being my friends for so long. To my surprise, about a third answered apologetically and told me that where ordered to disconnect by OSA. The Co$ Gestapo even verified that they disconnected. Years later some of these poor souls are still corresponding with me.

The other two thirds? Most actually answered with some kind of a nice acknowledgement. One person wrote me that I was always an “a****le”. This is a month after he wrote me that he admired me and I was his role model.

Poor Dave, he cannot even convince people to follow him. He can only scare them.

If there is anybody from Scientology, or another cult, reading this; you have nothing to fear. Sine then I have doubled the number of my Facebook friends. I have a growing circle of true friends. OMG, some of them are even psychologists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500609">Nancy</a>.</p>
<p>When I was “Declared” (excommunicated) by the Co$, all my Scientology Facebook friends left. I sent each of them a nice letter explaining what happened and thanking them for being my friends for so long. To my surprise, about a third answered apologetically and told me that where ordered to disconnect by OSA. The Co$ Gestapo even verified that they disconnected. Years later some of these poor souls are still corresponding with me.</p>
<p>The other two thirds? Most actually answered with some kind of a nice acknowledgement. One person wrote me that I was always an “a****le”. This is a month after he wrote me that he admired me and I was his role model.</p>
<p>Poor Dave, he cannot even convince people to follow him. He can only scare them.</p>
<p>If there is anybody from Scientology, or another cult, reading this; you have nothing to fear. Sine then I have doubled the number of my Facebook friends. I have a growing circle of true friends. OMG, some of them are even psychologists.</p>
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		By: Aharon Friedman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aharon Friedman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 06:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500634&quot;&gt;d lawless&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, she is a disgrace to any religion. She is an amoral person.]]></description>
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<p>Yes, she is a disgrace to any religion. She is an amoral person.</p>
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		By: Aharon Friedman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aharon Friedman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 06:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500660&quot;&gt;Jefferson Hawkins&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually even a moron like Davis, who was totally the wrong PR guy, but mad the drama the way Dave liked it, eventually ru afoul on him.]]></description>
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<p>Actually even a moron like Davis, who was totally the wrong PR guy, but mad the drama the way Dave liked it, eventually ru afoul on him.</p>
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		By: Aharon Friedman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aharon Friedman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2022 06:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-did-scientologys-spokespeople-go/#comment-500673&quot;&gt;Tsu Dho Nimh&lt;/a&gt;.

Last I heard, he escaped or tried to.]]></description>
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<p>Last I heard, he escaped or tried to.</p>
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