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		By: Observingsandiego		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Late to the commenting but wanted to give a big THANK YOU to Martin for sharing your story with all of us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the commenting but wanted to give a big THANK YOU to Martin for sharing your story with all of us.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann B Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-107078&quot;&gt;Jens TINGLEFF&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jens TINGLEFF, Very good to see this post.It is important to me.Thank you,Always Ann.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-107078">Jens TINGLEFF</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jens TINGLEFF, Very good to see this post.It is important to me.Thank you,Always Ann.</p>
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		By: Martin Padfield		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106971&quot;&gt;RolandRB&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair point and I certainly wouldn&#039;t go out of my way to seek advice from a Scientology company. But in this case I had a relationship with Sovereign going back ten years. It was the fact that I was being given no options - I was being FORCED to go find a new IFA. It was Mr Shuster who brought up the religious angle - I had no intention or interest in discussing anything Church related. However when he did bring it up at the beginning of the process, this was my reply:

Dear Tom,

Re: Yours of 1st and 2nd July


Thanks for your prompt letters, received yesterday and today in response to mine.

Although usually quite decisive, I am a bit undecided on this. 

Try and understand the context Tom. Since leaving the Church in 2009 I have lost many valued friends almost overnight – I expected that. Goes with the turf I suppose. I have been smeared and slimed on the Internet by anonymous OSA staffers such as “Minerva” using info that could only have come from my PC folders. My family home has been infiltrated by TWO people working for / reporting back to OSA. I have been lied to, lied about and called a “F***ing Dick” loudly in public by a dedicated Corporate Scientologist OT in front of my 3 year old daughter. (All evidence available). I had to find a new Accountant when Derek Field disconnected from me in 2011 the moment he found out I was “not in good standing”. My letters to CJC have been ignored contrary to policy. My rightfully due refunds have been refused. I have not even seen my SP Declare despite numerous requests, if such exists – contrary to the Church own internal LRH policy. “If it’s not written it’s not true”. 

Is this the way a Church should behave Tom? Your “abrupt” - as you diplomatically call them - comments on the phone were no surprise but still deeply disappointing, and frankly, hurtful. Have I ever uttered a bad word about you, your company, your family? No, of course not. I was appreciative of your company’s advice, as I’m sure you were of my business. But here’s the greatest irony of all: I haven’t even uttered a bad word about your beliefs. My “crime” initially was asking awkward questions – the answers to which I had to find out from other, reliable sources. Questions such as “Where is Heber?” “What are the actual delivery stats internationally?” “Are ALL the 15+ the independent witnesses to David Miscavige’s violence really lying?” Why are there roughly four times as many declared SPs as there are Sea Org members, including many OT VIIIs and Class XIIs? Important issues I needed resolved as an individual who had dedicated most of his adult life, and in excess of £100,000 money supporting this organisation. (Specifics all available if you’re interested). 

Although no doubt OSA will tell you otherwise, in fact I resigned because of the actions of the Church; its squirrelling on me personally and others, and alteration of tech and policy. Further, the refusal of OSA UK to even acknowledge the numerous human rights abuses going on at the most senior levels, let alone actually do anything to stop them was the last straw. I’ll spare you details here but suffice to say you might be surprised and shocked at some of the things I have seen and been made aware of.

I freely admit I have been vocal in trying to let others have the whole truth about the Church. Ignorance is no fun Tom. It’s the truth that sets you free, as a great man once said. Which is not necessarily what is being told at (off-policy) COB events. 

Anyway, frankly I am tired of being bullied by a billion dollar corporation and its servants that spends countless millions on harassment campaigns and keeping its own members misinformed. Whether my stand is right or wrong is irrelevant at this point. I let Derek’s “disconnection” go despite leaving me the headache and cost of having to find a new reliable accountant, due to his advancing years and because he had the courtesy of informing me in writing - without the antagonism obvious from your tone on the phone. It concerns me greatly that you clearly knew for four years or so that I was “not in good standing” yet you did nothing. It took a phone call from me to your office to find out that you would not be / had not been providing any service to me any more – after more than FOUR YEARS. I wonder - what would YOU do in my position? Your implied assertion that I have not been a client is also provably nonsense. You have been paid handsomely as a result of my business. 

So I am in a quandary. Your letter suggests that you would not “be the best ones” to provide a service to me. In other words, you would allow your own or my religious affiliations to affect how you dealt with me as a client. That isn’t just not good sense; it isn’t even legal. (2010 Equality Act).

I will reflect for a few days on what to do. I have no particular desire to go through the legal process – although if I were to do so according to my initial enquiries I would win – it would probably be a fairly “open and shut” case. I will give you the courtesy that neither you nor your Church gave me – honest open dialogue. i.e. I am letting you know exactly where I stand and giving you the opportunity to have your say. I do expect a timely response – I think 10 days is reasonable. You have my written word that I will take no further action until I have heard what you have to say. 

Yours sincerely,

Martin Padfield]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106971">RolandRB</a>.</p>
<p>Fair point and I certainly wouldn&#8217;t go out of my way to seek advice from a Scientology company. But in this case I had a relationship with Sovereign going back ten years. It was the fact that I was being given no options &#8211; I was being FORCED to go find a new IFA. It was Mr Shuster who brought up the religious angle &#8211; I had no intention or interest in discussing anything Church related. However when he did bring it up at the beginning of the process, this was my reply:</p>
<p>Dear Tom,</p>
<p>Re: Yours of 1st and 2nd July</p>
<p>Thanks for your prompt letters, received yesterday and today in response to mine.</p>
<p>Although usually quite decisive, I am a bit undecided on this. </p>
<p>Try and understand the context Tom. Since leaving the Church in 2009 I have lost many valued friends almost overnight – I expected that. Goes with the turf I suppose. I have been smeared and slimed on the Internet by anonymous OSA staffers such as “Minerva” using info that could only have come from my PC folders. My family home has been infiltrated by TWO people working for / reporting back to OSA. I have been lied to, lied about and called a “F***ing Dick” loudly in public by a dedicated Corporate Scientologist OT in front of my 3 year old daughter. (All evidence available). I had to find a new Accountant when Derek Field disconnected from me in 2011 the moment he found out I was “not in good standing”. My letters to CJC have been ignored contrary to policy. My rightfully due refunds have been refused. I have not even seen my SP Declare despite numerous requests, if such exists – contrary to the Church own internal LRH policy. “If it’s not written it’s not true”. </p>
<p>Is this the way a Church should behave Tom? Your “abrupt” &#8211; as you diplomatically call them &#8211; comments on the phone were no surprise but still deeply disappointing, and frankly, hurtful. Have I ever uttered a bad word about you, your company, your family? No, of course not. I was appreciative of your company’s advice, as I’m sure you were of my business. But here’s the greatest irony of all: I haven’t even uttered a bad word about your beliefs. My “crime” initially was asking awkward questions – the answers to which I had to find out from other, reliable sources. Questions such as “Where is Heber?” “What are the actual delivery stats internationally?” “Are ALL the 15+ the independent witnesses to David Miscavige’s violence really lying?” Why are there roughly four times as many declared SPs as there are Sea Org members, including many OT VIIIs and Class XIIs? Important issues I needed resolved as an individual who had dedicated most of his adult life, and in excess of £100,000 money supporting this organisation. (Specifics all available if you’re interested). </p>
<p>Although no doubt OSA will tell you otherwise, in fact I resigned because of the actions of the Church; its squirrelling on me personally and others, and alteration of tech and policy. Further, the refusal of OSA UK to even acknowledge the numerous human rights abuses going on at the most senior levels, let alone actually do anything to stop them was the last straw. I’ll spare you details here but suffice to say you might be surprised and shocked at some of the things I have seen and been made aware of.</p>
<p>I freely admit I have been vocal in trying to let others have the whole truth about the Church. Ignorance is no fun Tom. It’s the truth that sets you free, as a great man once said. Which is not necessarily what is being told at (off-policy) COB events. </p>
<p>Anyway, frankly I am tired of being bullied by a billion dollar corporation and its servants that spends countless millions on harassment campaigns and keeping its own members misinformed. Whether my stand is right or wrong is irrelevant at this point. I let Derek’s “disconnection” go despite leaving me the headache and cost of having to find a new reliable accountant, due to his advancing years and because he had the courtesy of informing me in writing &#8211; without the antagonism obvious from your tone on the phone. It concerns me greatly that you clearly knew for four years or so that I was “not in good standing” yet you did nothing. It took a phone call from me to your office to find out that you would not be / had not been providing any service to me any more – after more than FOUR YEARS. I wonder &#8211; what would YOU do in my position? Your implied assertion that I have not been a client is also provably nonsense. You have been paid handsomely as a result of my business. </p>
<p>So I am in a quandary. Your letter suggests that you would not “be the best ones” to provide a service to me. In other words, you would allow your own or my religious affiliations to affect how you dealt with me as a client. That isn’t just not good sense; it isn’t even legal. (2010 Equality Act).</p>
<p>I will reflect for a few days on what to do. I have no particular desire to go through the legal process – although if I were to do so according to my initial enquiries I would win – it would probably be a fairly “open and shut” case. I will give you the courtesy that neither you nor your Church gave me – honest open dialogue. i.e. I am letting you know exactly where I stand and giving you the opportunity to have your say. I do expect a timely response – I think 10 days is reasonable. You have my written word that I will take no further action until I have heard what you have to say. </p>
<p>Yours sincerely,</p>
<p>Martin Padfield</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 05:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106863&quot;&gt;Idle Morgue&lt;/a&gt;.

Quite right. Unfortunately, the criminal organisation known as the &quot;church&quot; of $cientology infiltrates businesses in order to siphon money off (&quot;training courses&quot; and &quot;management&quot; and so on) and relies on hiding themselves to slip in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106863">Idle Morgue</a>.</p>
<p>Quite right. Unfortunately, the criminal organisation known as the &#8220;church&#8221; of $cientology infiltrates businesses in order to siphon money off (&#8220;training courses&#8221; and &#8220;management&#8221; and so on) and relies on hiding themselves to slip in.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106864&quot;&gt;Martin Padfield&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly. The fundamentalism is not trivial. A lovely piece of work, Martin, congratulations for sticking with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106864">Martin Padfield</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly. The fundamentalism is not trivial. A lovely piece of work, Martin, congratulations for sticking with it.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 05:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106871&quot;&gt;Martin Padfield&lt;/a&gt;.

Using &quot;attacking&quot; is simply to parrot L Ron Hubbard. Because no criticism could possibly be warranted, no contrary statement could possibly be worth considering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106871">Martin Padfield</a>.</p>
<p>Using &#8220;attacking&#8221; is simply to parrot L Ron Hubbard. Because no criticism could possibly be warranted, no contrary statement could possibly be worth considering.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-107016&quot;&gt;FOTF2012&lt;/a&gt;.

except that the criminal organisation known as the &quot;church&quot; of $cientology goes beyond writing nasty letters. Friends of mine are in court from time to time simply because they tell the truth about the criminal organisation known as the &quot;church&quot; of $cientology. As long as members act according to the plainly written instructions below, it needs to be stopped and is far from being merely a joke.

&quot;The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-107016">FOTF2012</a>.</p>
<p>except that the criminal organisation known as the &#8220;church&#8221; of $cientology goes beyond writing nasty letters. Friends of mine are in court from time to time simply because they tell the truth about the criminal organisation known as the &#8220;church&#8221; of $cientology. As long as members act according to the plainly written instructions below, it needs to be stopped and is far from being merely a joke.</p>
<p>&#8220;The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 04:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The criminal organisation known as the &quot;church&quot; of $cientology may have a religious element hidden away somewhere, but it is, at heart, about breaking the law of the land and about turning those of its victims who are members into monsters. Martin is doing it right, and deserves congratulations for going all the way against an institutional bully who only has itself to thank for its trouble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The criminal organisation known as the &#8220;church&#8221; of $cientology may have a religious element hidden away somewhere, but it is, at heart, about breaking the law of the land and about turning those of its victims who are members into monsters. Martin is doing it right, and deserves congratulations for going all the way against an institutional bully who only has itself to thank for its trouble.</p>
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		By: Lawrence		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106943&quot;&gt;Martin Padfield&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Martin and thanks for telling about it. Really thanks. I am not boasting I am saying your account reminds me of something. One time in 1983 I was approached in a restaurant by a &quot;stranger&quot; that introduced himself to me as  a Scientologist. 20 Years later he opened a mission 1 block away from the restaurant. The first time I met him in the restaurant I didn&#039;t recognize him as someone I had already seen at the church in New York. After he opened the mission he wanted to see who I believed &quot;him&quot; or the person he impersonated way back. He used to follow me around in his car and spy on me and &quot;report back to the church&quot;. Finally, I took him to court and made him sign an agreement with me that HE and the CHURCH would never seek me out again otherwise the court contract would be breached. SO, I guess after all those years he and the church finally got what LRH intended for them to, when he brought the document back to OSA, I just can&#039;t imagine the expression on the DSA&#039;s face that used to run an illegal church business up the street from my house. They didn&#039;t mind to share their evil intentions with me because according to them I was unconscious half the time. I guess I must have been. :) Keep up the good work Martin! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106943">Martin Padfield</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Martin and thanks for telling about it. Really thanks. I am not boasting I am saying your account reminds me of something. One time in 1983 I was approached in a restaurant by a &#8220;stranger&#8221; that introduced himself to me as  a Scientologist. 20 Years later he opened a mission 1 block away from the restaurant. The first time I met him in the restaurant I didn&#8217;t recognize him as someone I had already seen at the church in New York. After he opened the mission he wanted to see who I believed &#8220;him&#8221; or the person he impersonated way back. He used to follow me around in his car and spy on me and &#8220;report back to the church&#8221;. Finally, I took him to court and made him sign an agreement with me that HE and the CHURCH would never seek me out again otherwise the court contract would be breached. SO, I guess after all those years he and the church finally got what LRH intended for them to, when he brought the document back to OSA, I just can&#8217;t imagine the expression on the DSA&#8217;s face that used to run an illegal church business up the street from my house. They didn&#8217;t mind to share their evil intentions with me because according to them I was unconscious half the time. I guess I must have been. 🙂 Keep up the good work Martin! 🙂</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-are-the-bigots/#comment-106997&quot;&gt;Doug Owen&lt;/a&gt;.

What happened John , a cat got your tongue ? Answer the man.]]></description>
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<p>What happened John , a cat got your tongue ? Answer the man.</p>
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