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		By: freebeeing		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear CO WISE EU,

You are criminally out-exchange and YOUR stats are seriously DOWN (they suck big-time in fact).

Therefore no donations for you! 

Please blow - you&#039;ll be glad you did!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear CO WISE EU,</p>
<p>You are criminally out-exchange and YOUR stats are seriously DOWN (they suck big-time in fact).</p>
<p>Therefore no donations for you! </p>
<p>Please blow &#8211; you&#8217;ll be glad you did!</p>
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		By: Globetrotter		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7228</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7207&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine,
I have a lot of training in LRH admin tech. I use some of it. Some principles in it are true breakthroughs, e.g. the philosophical background of Org Board, for those few who truly understand it is a very powerful tool. Some (like the Data Series) are priceless. But many aspects of it are badly outdated or lacking. A few examples:

1. There is nothing in LRH admin tech about product development. Since the CoS didn&#039;t need it, it&#039;s nowhere on the org board. It is only designed to build an organization that sells and delivers a product that is already made and given to it.

2. The rigid organizational structure and command hierarchy described in the admin tech is not ideal for every type of organization. For a creative type organization (e.g. one that develops products) it is not the right structure.

3. Hard sell is ripe for the museum (&quot;would you believe it, that&#039;s how they sold things in the 20th century&quot;). In 2013, it doesn&#039;t work, it is rejected, socially unacceptable and ineffective in a world of instant sharing of customer experience of a company&#039;s sales tactics. 

4. As LRH emphasised in different places that the admin tech works if and because &quot;you are not selling cars or life insurance or MEST, etc.&quot; Well, companies do sell cars and life insurance and MEST. So now it gets kinda schizophrenic. So we are selling MEST. Do we still roll with this anyway? But LRH says it is not for selling MEST. Or should we use something else...? But then we will get kicked in the ass by the EO for squirreling with the admin tech... Oh my, we should just close the business and all join the Sea Org together...

5. The admin tech is frozen in time, while truly outstanding business books are written each year by creators and leaders of organizations that are a hell of a lot more successful than the church of scientology. The tech of running a business is evolving and is constantly improved by some very sharp people. On the other hand, I still recall my argument with a staff member years ago when he quoted LRH saying something like income goes up 3 weeks after a big mailing. I tried to explain to him that it was because at the time it was written, letters took weeks to reach people and the time for people to physically come in or send in a check took about 3 weeks - but after sending out a bulk EMAIL, he shouldn&#039;t hold his breath and wait for 3 weeks for the income to go up...  because replies (if any) should start coming in in MINUTES. He absolutely didn&#039;t get it. He said &quot;LRH said 3 weeks&quot;. Amen.

LRH admin tech has some very good, very usable components, but anyone who tries to run a business exclusively based on and completely adhering to everything it says and rejecting everything that&#039;s not part of it or contradicts what LRH says, is doomed to failure.

Just consider this: if the admin tech is a whole and it is a complete, workable system, why is it that the church of scientology is a failing, corrupt, ridiculed organization, so out of touch that it is not even funny any longer? Because they are not using their own tech? Nah, I&#039;m not buying that. Qual is supposed to take care of enforcing the knowledge and usage of the tech and it has obviously failed. The Exec division should lead the organization to prosperity, and it is anything but prosperous. PR tech is supposed to generate great recognition and popularity - and see how far it got them. Financial policy is supposed to keep the organization solvent, but show me a solvent org... So does that mean that everyone in these organization is out ethics? Well, there is a Personnel Section on that org board that is supposed to hire upstat, qualified people. If something goes wrong after they are hired, there an ethics section on that org board, but then obviously that failed too. So then, what part of it IS really working for the very organization that is the most avid follower of that &quot;tech&quot;...? 

From my personal experience, there are certain parts that are great. Some are brilliant. But you have to be able to pick out the wheat from the chaff and use what really works - and discard the outdated or inapplicable parts.

So anyone who tells me that the admin tech as a complete system &quot;works&quot;, you just have to abide by it, please show me WHERE it is working. Proof of that pudding, please?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7207">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine,<br />
I have a lot of training in LRH admin tech. I use some of it. Some principles in it are true breakthroughs, e.g. the philosophical background of Org Board, for those few who truly understand it is a very powerful tool. Some (like the Data Series) are priceless. But many aspects of it are badly outdated or lacking. A few examples:</p>
<p>1. There is nothing in LRH admin tech about product development. Since the CoS didn&#8217;t need it, it&#8217;s nowhere on the org board. It is only designed to build an organization that sells and delivers a product that is already made and given to it.</p>
<p>2. The rigid organizational structure and command hierarchy described in the admin tech is not ideal for every type of organization. For a creative type organization (e.g. one that develops products) it is not the right structure.</p>
<p>3. Hard sell is ripe for the museum (&#8220;would you believe it, that&#8217;s how they sold things in the 20th century&#8221;). In 2013, it doesn&#8217;t work, it is rejected, socially unacceptable and ineffective in a world of instant sharing of customer experience of a company&#8217;s sales tactics. </p>
<p>4. As LRH emphasised in different places that the admin tech works if and because &#8220;you are not selling cars or life insurance or MEST, etc.&#8221; Well, companies do sell cars and life insurance and MEST. So now it gets kinda schizophrenic. So we are selling MEST. Do we still roll with this anyway? But LRH says it is not for selling MEST. Or should we use something else&#8230;? But then we will get kicked in the ass by the EO for squirreling with the admin tech&#8230; Oh my, we should just close the business and all join the Sea Org together&#8230;</p>
<p>5. The admin tech is frozen in time, while truly outstanding business books are written each year by creators and leaders of organizations that are a hell of a lot more successful than the church of scientology. The tech of running a business is evolving and is constantly improved by some very sharp people. On the other hand, I still recall my argument with a staff member years ago when he quoted LRH saying something like income goes up 3 weeks after a big mailing. I tried to explain to him that it was because at the time it was written, letters took weeks to reach people and the time for people to physically come in or send in a check took about 3 weeks &#8211; but after sending out a bulk EMAIL, he shouldn&#8217;t hold his breath and wait for 3 weeks for the income to go up&#8230;  because replies (if any) should start coming in in MINUTES. He absolutely didn&#8217;t get it. He said &#8220;LRH said 3 weeks&#8221;. Amen.</p>
<p>LRH admin tech has some very good, very usable components, but anyone who tries to run a business exclusively based on and completely adhering to everything it says and rejecting everything that&#8217;s not part of it or contradicts what LRH says, is doomed to failure.</p>
<p>Just consider this: if the admin tech is a whole and it is a complete, workable system, why is it that the church of scientology is a failing, corrupt, ridiculed organization, so out of touch that it is not even funny any longer? Because they are not using their own tech? Nah, I&#8217;m not buying that. Qual is supposed to take care of enforcing the knowledge and usage of the tech and it has obviously failed. The Exec division should lead the organization to prosperity, and it is anything but prosperous. PR tech is supposed to generate great recognition and popularity &#8211; and see how far it got them. Financial policy is supposed to keep the organization solvent, but show me a solvent org&#8230; So does that mean that everyone in these organization is out ethics? Well, there is a Personnel Section on that org board that is supposed to hire upstat, qualified people. If something goes wrong after they are hired, there an ethics section on that org board, but then obviously that failed too. So then, what part of it IS really working for the very organization that is the most avid follower of that &#8220;tech&#8221;&#8230;? </p>
<p>From my personal experience, there are certain parts that are great. Some are brilliant. But you have to be able to pick out the wheat from the chaff and use what really works &#8211; and discard the outdated or inapplicable parts.</p>
<p>So anyone who tells me that the admin tech as a complete system &#8220;works&#8221;, you just have to abide by it, please show me WHERE it is working. Proof of that pudding, please?</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7220</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6942&quot;&gt;morelivesthanacat&lt;/a&gt;.

My goodness - you should be a surrealistic painter ~ great description :)
Cece]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6942">morelivesthanacat</a>.</p>
<p>My goodness &#8211; you should be a surrealistic painter ~ great description 🙂<br />
Cece</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7208</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WISE is a rip off and a shakedown.  They do nothing for you except call you once a year when/if your membership needs to be renewed.  WISE is superfluous as anyone can buy, read and apply the admin tech of the Green Vols. WISE execs are robots who do what the CO$ tells them to do, which lately is shilling for the Dwarf&#039;s real estate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WISE is a rip off and a shakedown.  They do nothing for you except call you once a year when/if your membership needs to be renewed.  WISE is superfluous as anyone can buy, read and apply the admin tech of the Green Vols. WISE execs are robots who do what the CO$ tells them to do, which lately is shilling for the Dwarf&#8217;s real estate.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6964&quot;&gt;Blown SP&lt;/a&gt;.

Blown, I must respectfully disagree with you about admin tech.  Admin Tech is based on &quot;Income greater than outgo, plus reserves&quot;.  This applies to an individual, a company, a nation. The admin tech, applied correctly, will make you (anyone) solvent.  Its not just for Scn Orgs, which indeed, do not  apply it, or they WOULD be solvent.  &quot;Income greater than outgo, plus reserves&quot; is effected thru &quot;exchange in abundance&quot;.
That means delivering services very well in volume.  Every business has their tech, their ethics and their admin.  If you take Scn admin and apply it to a business it will follow that the tech of that business MUST improve, unless the business&#039;s ethics are out, in which case the businesses ethics have to be gotten in.  The tech, ethics and admin of any business all work together and impact each other for good or bad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6964">Blown SP</a>.</p>
<p>Blown, I must respectfully disagree with you about admin tech.  Admin Tech is based on &#8220;Income greater than outgo, plus reserves&#8221;.  This applies to an individual, a company, a nation. The admin tech, applied correctly, will make you (anyone) solvent.  Its not just for Scn Orgs, which indeed, do not  apply it, or they WOULD be solvent.  &#8220;Income greater than outgo, plus reserves&#8221; is effected thru &#8220;exchange in abundance&#8221;.<br />
That means delivering services very well in volume.  Every business has their tech, their ethics and their admin.  If you take Scn admin and apply it to a business it will follow that the tech of that business MUST improve, unless the business&#8217;s ethics are out, in which case the businesses ethics have to be gotten in.  The tech, ethics and admin of any business all work together and impact each other for good or bad.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6957&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

LDW, you just posted all my thoughts!  A company&#039;s success is not predicated necessarily upon the success of other companies!  How ridiculous, really!   But then, WISE can be depended upon to to be evasive, manipulative and plain, downright dumb.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6957">LDW</a>.</p>
<p>LDW, you just posted all my thoughts!  A company&#8217;s success is not predicated necessarily upon the success of other companies!  How ridiculous, really!   But then, WISE can be depended upon to to be evasive, manipulative and plain, downright dumb.</p>
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		By: Vertsurblanc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vertsurblanc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7037&quot;&gt;Graduated&lt;/a&gt;.

Precisely Graduated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7037">Graduated</a>.</p>
<p>Precisely Graduated.</p>
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		By: cre8tivewmn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7061&quot;&gt;cre8tivewmn&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry I may have misunderstood your original reference.  WISE letter makes less sense.  I thought  lownSP was clear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-7061">cre8tivewmn</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry I may have misunderstood your original reference.  WISE letter makes less sense.  I thought  lownSP was clear.</p>
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		By: cre8tivewmn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6965&quot;&gt;Natasha Boris&lt;/a&gt;.

Made sense to me what&#039;s your agenda?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6965">Natasha Boris</a>.</p>
<p>Made sense to me what&#8217;s your agenda?</p>
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		By: Blue Seagull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blue Seagull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6957&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt and go with the former, which was my first over-riding impression. Incredibly amateurish, incompetent and illogical. And this is the CO WISE EU? I guess that also further belies the ineptness and desperation further up lines that such an individual would be posted as a senior continental executive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wise-pimping-for-dollars/#comment-6957">LDW</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt and go with the former, which was my first over-riding impression. Incredibly amateurish, incompetent and illogical. And this is the CO WISE EU? I guess that also further belies the ineptness and desperation further up lines that such an individual would be posted as a senior continental executive.</p>
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