What you said, sister!

Hahaha! Brilliant!

Chuck,
I apologize.I didn’t read you close enough and of kind lost it. I enoy reading everone’s view, too.

Dear Ashaman,

I mentally fell out of Scientology, “intellectually”, on the RPF, after 5 years of umpteenth thousands of hours of FPRD, every single chain wholetrack. I’d run wholetrack from 1975, 60 pc folders of old AESPs on the Drug Rundown, then later NED, then ExDN, all chains wholetrack.

Until I in fall of 2001 began to finally conclude ALL of my pastlives tens of thousands of incidents, might just be all my plastic imagination. (Later reading the OT levels, and the mixing up that pc’s who are not OT 3 yet, can sometimes run their ‘body thetans'” past lives, and thus not get any gain, so I gave that a long thought, and wondered had I at some point really gone Clear in all my 20 years of Dianetics/NED, and was I at some point running body thetans’ engrams, not mine.

I gave it all a really good “intellectual” going over, and just did sort of an Occam’s Razor, choose the simplest explanation, and “my imagination” fit/suited me, and indicated to me, and that’s where my “case” has been ever since fall of 2001.

Now, I can do the thought experiment in favor of Scientologists’ viewpoint, quite well, I think.

But this philosophy about the soul, it’s been never scientifically proven.

All Scientology would need to do, is have one OT do some real normal out of the body fully exterior and causative activity, that convinces and is agreed upon, and becomes so real it’s legal!

Were past lives really real, they’d have entered out legal systems around the world, by now.

People would have been burying their last life’s stash of wealth, only known to themselves, and digging up their stashes.

And beyond treasure hunting our last lfetime wealth stashes, humans would have evolved legal protections for people’s last lifetime wealth.

The big points of Scientology are we’re immortal souls, we “come back” as you say, and I haven’t been convinced that the soul exists, so how we come back, to me, is not how Scientologists think it will be, is all.

I think over eternity, all the MEST of the universe is eternally recycled, so that everything becomes everything. I just don’t think there’s souls involved. I think the universe is just an eternal recycling machine on eternal auto pilot to recycle itself forever, into every possible outcome, so that everything does everything, forever.

Personally I today favor the attitude and behavior of the Ron’s Org people. Them praying, or doing their linked armed postulate circle, heads down, at the Int Base, on video, really struck me, they seem to be the best of “group” of Scientologists, today.

Squirreling, meaning like Captain Bill did, creating the additional “upper OT levels” that the Ron’s Org do, to me, is actually logical, overall, but I’d agree that likely if LRH knew Bill Robertson had made more OT levels and Bill R said he was channeling LRH to do so, that LRH if he’d been told this when he was alive, would have possibly written something up, and too bad he didn’t.

To me LRH had so many top tech people, and so many ultra dedicated people, I mean Bill Robertson was dedicated to LRH, and LRH ought to have somehow remained in touch with them.

There’s all sorts of interesting discussions to have about Scientology followers.

It can’t be kept dogmatically locked up by any of the various camps, as people should be free to discuss all parts of Scientology, and even LRH’s life, and discuss all the various angles to it all.

I’m liking most, probably LRH’s sci fi contemporaries, for my overall view of LRH (Heinlein and Arthur C. Clarke).

But as a one time very nerdy admin Scientologist, I’ve enjoyed all the conversations I’ve had and discussions I’ve read about Scientology since getting out of official Scientology, and being free to discuss it.

I enjoy reading everyone’s views.

Chuck,

You could call me a wild eye cultist. I could fit into them modern church easily – I did for a few months. I bought into to Miscvage’s dream for a for few days.

But I ‘m a 100% Standard Tech no bullshit scientologist. I’m a total red on white guy, and auditor and an LRH guy to the core.

The one of the main difference between “the churchies” and me, is that I got started in 1973 and I’ve seen all the bad that scientology can offer

My ex-wife was G.O and.worked as a secretary at UCLA for that murderous bastard Jolly West. Psychiatry at it’s best. When the balloon went up in went up in 77 it was a scramble. Did the Old Man have his hand in it? Probably. It could have worked too. Took some balls to even try

You think it’s bad now, try ’86 to ’88. War of Roses and Gunfight at the OK coral, rolled into one. Davy boy and Marty on one side of street, Pat and Robert on the other.
We were slaughtered
There was no actually shots fired (that I know of) but there were casualties:

Jessie Prince. One of the coolest guys I have ever known went out of his mind.

The good doctor Denk? He’s dead.

Robert Vaughn Young, the most intelligent man I’ve ever known was a shell of himself after the RPF. He’s dead now. Rest in peace old friend.

And Annie. I can’t even think about Annie without my eyes tearing up.

Not to mention all the good Sea Org folk who blew, were RFP’d, died or went crazy.

And Sarge. We can’t forget Sarge.

So you can smirk, and be oh-so intellectual about how it’s all bullshit, like Hawkins was on Rathburn’s blog talking to Bunker(of all people) about how the ethics doesn’t work. Or OT3 and xemu, and it’s a fucking joke.

Have you ever thought for a second why people pay millions for this stuff. It’s because it works. (And as the Old Man warned many, many times it can be abused)

And about those other 15 OT levels, I know there’s one person you have’t talked to about it and that’s Pat Broeker. Good ‘ol Pat. There’s a reason the LRH called him 007.

So yeah, we’re a bunch of cultist brain-washed zombies in need to serious medication. So be it. We lost the battle — hell, we lost the war. But it’s not over. Because we come back, motherfucker, we come back.

+1

Great comments here by all of you. I also felt I was pressed into service on things I didn’t want to do as a public. We were told we had to go to our friends and reg money for Idle Morgues. I got nauseous at the thought of it. And on OT VII you have to get 2 (two) others on OT VII besides yourself. I felt that was the org’s job. I told the MAA that I wouldn’t reg for Idle Morgues but I would continue to wear my hat as a supervisor for Criminon and do that as my exchange. He said that was fine but that Idle Morgues were command intention and I should do that as well as the Criminon. (Not enough hrs in a day to do the volunteering, work 2 jobs to get money to stay on VII and then audit 4 to 6 sessions a day and attend OTC on top of that, reg friends for Idle Morgues, with a family to care for besides!)

Aquamarine, music to my ears! I started at a small mission, residing in a storefront in Redondo Beach. That same store now sells vacuum cleaners. I love beautiful old churches, walked through many while living in England. But they were dedicated to God I believe, where the designers and builders were in some way trying to get closer to God and to their eternity. It worked.

Ideal Orgs, sadly are nothing more than a manifestation of DM’s soullessness. Empty, echoing chambers of sadness; renovated reminders of his technical impotence as he desperately tries to make his size four footprint fit within LRH’s

Odd

Great post Aquamarine, well said!

Exactly right Sophia 13. The game is FREEDOM. Freedom to realize your own purposes and then, to execute them in the way you choose and when you damn well please.