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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401859&quot;&gt;grisianfarce&lt;/a&gt;.

If you have an iPhone, I believe you can turn on &quot;iCloud relay&quot;, which double-spoofs your address and location, allowing you to safely browse to scientology sites.  I wonder if we can get Apple to include that domain as &quot;spam&quot;, thus automatically avoided as possibly dangerous.  THAT would be &quot;an effective blow&quot; against those SPs in what remains of Davey&#039;s fiefdom.  Safari users would be thus protected from their deprecation.]]></description>
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<p>If you have an iPhone, I believe you can turn on &#8220;iCloud relay&#8221;, which double-spoofs your address and location, allowing you to safely browse to scientology sites.  I wonder if we can get Apple to include that domain as &#8220;spam&#8221;, thus automatically avoided as possibly dangerous.  THAT would be &#8220;an effective blow&#8221; against those SPs in what remains of Davey&#8217;s fiefdom.  Safari users would be thus protected from their deprecation.</p>
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		By: Xenos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xenos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 16:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-402282&quot;&gt;pluvo&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your reply, very helpful. It takes a big commitememt then to do OT levels, unless you are lucky enough to live in the same city of the org giving OT training you have to move to another city to continue your training !!! Its amazing how much religion (even fake religions) can move people and what people will do for it. Mikes family left Adelaide for Britain (mind you everybody leaves Adelaide), others pack their bags to live in the states all in the belief that they are changing the world for the better when in reality they are doing absolutely nothing. The only good i know that Scientoluegy does is that they help out at some disaster sites by giving people water and comforting them and throwing people in a sauna and cooking them for hours per day in order to detox them (at a hefty price)  !!!!]]></description>
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<p>Thank you for your reply, very helpful. It takes a big commitememt then to do OT levels, unless you are lucky enough to live in the same city of the org giving OT training you have to move to another city to continue your training !!! Its amazing how much religion (even fake religions) can move people and what people will do for it. Mikes family left Adelaide for Britain (mind you everybody leaves Adelaide), others pack their bags to live in the states all in the belief that they are changing the world for the better when in reality they are doing absolutely nothing. The only good i know that Scientoluegy does is that they help out at some disaster sites by giving people water and comforting them and throwing people in a sauna and cooking them for hours per day in order to detox them (at a hefty price)  !!!!</p>
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		By: pluvo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 13:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-402268&quot;&gt;Xenos&lt;/a&gt;.

To your first  two questions: Yes! But Hubbard created also artificial administrative continents depending on the numbers of Scientology members, e.g. next to the UK was/is Italy an administrative continent.
https://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Continental_Liaison_Office

Yes, an &quot;Ideal Org&quot; is a Class V Org which has reached certain criteria and size. It is an invention from David Miscavige to replace the earlier very much pushed achievement  to become a &quot;St. Hill Size Org&quot;, named after the first Org in England which was created and run by Hubbard in England. It has to have a certain size and to fulfill certain criteria, also size a certain standard of architectural appearance and furnishing.
Here a quite extensive article about &quot;St. Hill Size&quot;: https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-big-is-st-hill-size/

What are Ideal Orgs really all about: https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-are-ideal-orgs-really-all-about/

Scientology&#039;s internal promotions are all about &quot;Ideal&quot; this and &quot;Ideal&quot; that, ad nauseum. Ideal Orgs, Ideal Continents, Ideal USA, Ideal World (&quot;Ideal&quot; —  you name it.....).

Basically its all about money, real estate and PR to pretend that Scientology is expanding (and what a successful leader Miscavige is). In reality Scientolohgy was shrinking from about 90,000 members in the 90ies to about 20,000 members today, worldwide.

Excellent and easy understandable explanations by Chris Shelton in one of his videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MpC8efB7U]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-402268">Xenos</a>.</p>
<p>To your first  two questions: Yes! But Hubbard created also artificial administrative continents depending on the numbers of Scientology members, e.g. next to the UK was/is Italy an administrative continent.<br />
<a href="https://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Continental_Liaison_Office" rel="nofollow ugc">https://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Continental_Liaison_Office</a></p>
<p>Yes, an &#8220;Ideal Org&#8221; is a Class V Org which has reached certain criteria and size. It is an invention from David Miscavige to replace the earlier very much pushed achievement  to become a &#8220;St. Hill Size Org&#8221;, named after the first Org in England which was created and run by Hubbard in England. It has to have a certain size and to fulfill certain criteria, also size a certain standard of architectural appearance and furnishing.<br />
Here a quite extensive article about &#8220;St. Hill Size&#8221;: <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-big-is-st-hill-size/" rel="ugc">https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-big-is-st-hill-size/</a></p>
<p>What are Ideal Orgs really all about: <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-are-ideal-orgs-really-all-about/" rel="ugc">https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-are-ideal-orgs-really-all-about/</a></p>
<p>Scientology&#8217;s internal promotions are all about &#8220;Ideal&#8221; this and &#8220;Ideal&#8221; that, ad nauseum. Ideal Orgs, Ideal Continents, Ideal USA, Ideal World (&#8220;Ideal&#8221; —  you name it&#8230;..).</p>
<p>Basically its all about money, real estate and PR to pretend that Scientology is expanding (and what a successful leader Miscavige is). In reality Scientolohgy was shrinking from about 90,000 members in the 90ies to about 20,000 members today, worldwide.</p>
<p>Excellent and easy understandable explanations by Chris Shelton in one of his videos: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MpC8efB7U" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MpC8efB7U</a></p>
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		By: Xenos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 11:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-402192&quot;&gt;pluvo&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the reply. Does continental org mean every continent will have at least 1 org that trains OT levels ? For example lets say i train in Melbourne and get to clear if i want to further progress i would then go to the continental org ?

Where does a ideal org sit in all this ? Is a ideal org and class V org one and the same ?]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for the reply. Does continental org mean every continent will have at least 1 org that trains OT levels ? For example lets say i train in Melbourne and get to clear if i want to further progress i would then go to the continental org ?</p>
<p>Where does a ideal org sit in all this ? Is a ideal org and class V org one and the same ?</p>
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		By: NNGrad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 07:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Flag the Freewinds and every org in the planet are in a very low income situation that they are willing to receive whatever gets them the needed money

You can do online courses in Flag that could be delivered by other orgs, you can do the purif and basic courses at the freewinds, where just OT 7 doing OT 8 should be there with no distraction

The ocupation rate should be at 20 percent, empty academies and clears every week, and they need also money for accomodations]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flag the Freewinds and every org in the planet are in a very low income situation that they are willing to receive whatever gets them the needed money</p>
<p>You can do online courses in Flag that could be delivered by other orgs, you can do the purif and basic courses at the freewinds, where just OT 7 doing OT 8 should be there with no distraction</p>
<p>The ocupation rate should be at 20 percent, empty academies and clears every week, and they need also money for accomodations</p>
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		By: pluvo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401774&quot;&gt;Xenos&lt;/a&gt;.

Flag is mainly delivering the OT levels and is staffed by only Sea Org members. It is not an Organization for new public. Flag gets its new people from other Orgs from other places and from around the world.

There are different levels of organizations, ascending:
- Missions and &quot;Class V&quot; Orgs which are the &quot;normal&quot; Scientology Organizations which deliver services and train till &quot;clear&quot;. These are set up for new public.
- Then there are the Continental Organizations (staffed by only Sea Org) who deliver (and train) till OTV. 
- Above it is Flag (Flag Service Organization) in Clearwater which delivers till OTVII.
- On the Freewinds ship the highest level, OT VIII, gets delivered.

These Organizations deliver also other courses, but the hierarchy of the OT levels is set. Theoretically can any higher Org deliver lower level services, but Flag is neither set up for new public nor interested that new people mingle with their OTs and OT-delivery services.

This is the basic structure, but when going into more detail, it gets more complicated. I was looking for a simple chart, but didn&#039;t find one. In case that I stumble over one later or an article or video where it is explained in a simple, understandable way, I&#039;ll let you know here.

Hope this helps you. If you have any more questions, any time. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401774">Xenos</a>.</p>
<p>Flag is mainly delivering the OT levels and is staffed by only Sea Org members. It is not an Organization for new public. Flag gets its new people from other Orgs from other places and from around the world.</p>
<p>There are different levels of organizations, ascending:<br />
&#8211; Missions and &#8220;Class V&#8221; Orgs which are the &#8220;normal&#8221; Scientology Organizations which deliver services and train till &#8220;clear&#8221;. These are set up for new public.<br />
&#8211; Then there are the Continental Organizations (staffed by only Sea Org) who deliver (and train) till OTV.<br />
&#8211; Above it is Flag (Flag Service Organization) in Clearwater which delivers till OTVII.<br />
&#8211; On the Freewinds ship the highest level, OT VIII, gets delivered.</p>
<p>These Organizations deliver also other courses, but the hierarchy of the OT levels is set. Theoretically can any higher Org deliver lower level services, but Flag is neither set up for new public nor interested that new people mingle with their OTs and OT-delivery services.</p>
<p>This is the basic structure, but when going into more detail, it gets more complicated. I was looking for a simple chart, but didn&#8217;t find one. In case that I stumble over one later or an article or video where it is explained in a simple, understandable way, I&#8217;ll let you know here.</p>
<p>Hope this helps you. If you have any more questions, any time. 🙂</p>
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		By: Susan Harbison		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2021 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401997&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s hard to show YOUR work when all you are really doing is plagiarizing the work of others!

To be fair, there was a little bit of science mixed in with Hubbard&#039;s endless BS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401997">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to show YOUR work when all you are really doing is plagiarizing the work of others!</p>
<p>To be fair, there was a little bit of science mixed in with Hubbard&#8217;s endless BS.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401900&quot;&gt;Susan Harbison&lt;/a&gt;.

Tubby CLAIMED he was doing science from the beginning, but never once showed any actual evidence to back his pronouncements up, only further assurances that it was &quot;science&quot;.  The guy never got the memo:   &quot;SHOW your work.&quot;  He was too paranoid that someone would follow his work up with better research and show him and his results up.]]></description>
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<p>Tubby CLAIMED he was doing science from the beginning, but never once showed any actual evidence to back his pronouncements up, only further assurances that it was &#8220;science&#8221;.  The guy never got the memo:   &#8220;SHOW your work.&#8221;  He was too paranoid that someone would follow his work up with better research and show him and his results up.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401876&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Stats must REALLY suck for them to do this Uber thing for Flag. Desperation seems to be scientology&#039;s family name.]]></description>
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<p>Stats must REALLY suck for them to do this Uber thing for Flag. Desperation seems to be scientology&#8217;s family name.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-scientology-trick-uber-pitches/#comment-401754&quot;&gt;Fish Swim. Birds Fly&lt;/a&gt;.

scientology CAN&#039;T advertise honestly.  If they did, NO ONE would take the bait. The only truth being told of the enterprise calling itself scientology these days are from the scn-watching sites here, and the documentaries on TV.]]></description>
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<p>scientology CAN&#8217;T advertise honestly.  If they did, NO ONE would take the bait. The only truth being told of the enterprise calling itself scientology these days are from the scn-watching sites here, and the documentaries on TV.</p>
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