This is a follow up to yesterday’s post about scientology promoting for 3 month old infants to get “auditing” and children being put through the grueling Purification Rundown.
This is the next step in “get em while they’re young.”
Signing up 10 year olds for the Sea Org.
This kid cannot be more than 10 years old… likely younger.
And there appear to be 2 Sea Org members standing over him, as he signs his billion year contract.
This is not an isolated random incident that happened to be caught on camera.
Here you can see this boy and another kid on stage.
The “AO Latin America” is manning up with kids… (this shot is in LA).
And it is being lauded. These people think this is totally normal and the “wog world” are just “aberrated” on the subject of children. That they are unenlightened humanoids who don’t understand the concept that the thetan has no age and a small body is meaningless. Hell, to them these 8 years olds could be overdue on their 21 year leave of absence from when they “dropped their body” due to overwork as a Sea Org member in a previous life.
Remember this when you next see one of the statements from scientology trying to create the impression that everything in scentology (and the Sea Org) is above board and “normal.” Like this statement on their scientology.org FAQ page:
The first sentence I underlined is just a lie. Though I like the fact that earlier on they make a point that children could NOT be raised in the SO (like my 2 children) because Sea Org life is “not compatible” yet they continuously smear me for being a “bad parent” who “neglected” my children…
Notice how mealy-mouthed the language is “generally” those “legally permitted to work”.
You can add to that — “and anything we can get away with” and in this case “enforcement of child labor laws in Mexico is pretty lax, so nothing much to worry about.” (Even though they are signing him up in LA).
Scientology will respond to this “but because they signed a contract doesnt mean we let them in the Sea Org” — now that this has been exposed they won’t allow this boy to start right away. But if they REALLY meant what they say in their PR-speak bs, WHY SIGN KIDS UP AT ALL. AND WHY PROMOTE IT TO THE SHEEPLE TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME?
PS: This just in, apropos of everything above:
The kids don’t know what they’re signing up for. Unfortunately, their parents do not know (or tell themselves to not know), either.
Sadly, ex-victims do know. Some have told the stories of their lives in the Damnation Navy, not only Janis Grady (comment here), but also Jenna Miscavige Hill in “Beyond Belief.” Sharone Stainforth has done various interviews and a very good speech in Dublin (available on video). Several others have spoken up on exscientologykids.com .
While the inaction of the parents can be explained (they, too, are in a high-control organisation which consistently forces its victims to make decisions which harm themselves), the inaction of the proper authorities is a different matter.
Somehow watching this small child, who is not capable mentally or legally to sign contracts, smacks of desperation on the part of scn. The adults are getting smart to whats going in so lets up the anty and go after the kids with a vengence now! And BTW, since this child is part of the Latin America contingent but signing in LA, the skeptic in me wonders if the CoS is wooing asylum seekers as a way to bolster the numbers and staff. Offering them sanctuary of the church and working on the immigration issue on the back end while having fresh meat all the while.
Or it could be just me.
This is so sick. I always thought it was, but when you are out it really hits you as just awful. The first time I saw this was when a child of 8 stood up on the stage in the park in Portland with Jeff Pomerantz and was lauded for having just signed a Sea Org contract. I was sickened even then. This is one of the reasons I kept my kids off lines when others I knew were putting theirs on basic courses. (I also knew young teens who were training on the levels – auditing confessionals on adults! I can only imagine the things they were exposed to too soon…) I was so scared of my kids getting regged for the SO. My brother was recruited when he was on course in his teens. I was against him joining but couldn’t be too vocal. I knew he had no interest really in saving mankind. They get these kids when they are teens because they are often rebellious and can’t wait to get away from their parents/be independent and they see the Sea Org as a way to do that. The recruiter sold my brother a line of bull and my mother let him join. As someone mentioned earlier, parents are love-bombed when their kids do this fabulous thing, taking responsibility for the 4th dynamic and all that crap. My brother is out now and says the SO stole his childhood. They should not be able to do this – I really don’t know how they get away with it.
Scientologists who approve of this crap are truly sick fucks.
Shame on all of them.
This cults brainwashing ways are what killed John Travolta son since they don’t believe in medical drugs.
Mike, after reading yesterday’s post I think you should change your website name from “Something Can Be Done About It” to “Something MUST Be Done About It”. Just when I thought Scamology couldn’t get any lower…smh
What a cult.
I appreciate your attitude and agree that something MUST be done about this cult. I don’t remember ever seeing a previous issue that made the case for that better than this one did. I think it may be possible The Monster has finally lost his mind. Showing off the exploitation of children cannot be a very clever thing to do. I think he may have a secret desire to get punished or something. This could very well end up with him going to prison. I certainly hope so at any rate.
But as far as changing the name of the Blog, I hope you won’t mind if I express a different opinion. I think the name is perfect as it stands because it places the image in the minds of the readers that continuing to publicize this insanity and discussing ways to put a stop to it may well be the best strategy to achieving the downfall of this madness.
I hope you will understand why I think the name is perfect as is. When this cult is finally demolished, I believe the reason will be primarily due to Mike and Leah and people like us who help to publicize just how crazy and abusive this cult is and who keep beating the drum to let the public know there is this crazy criminal scam going on and the best way to demolish it may well be to keep talking about it and publicizing it.
Hi Skyler, I meant it very tongue in cheek, I would fall off my chair in disbelief if Mike changed the blog name. 😉 Mike and this blog are already doing what MUST be done by bringing attention to this madness. Having never been in, the extent of my knowledge is an accululation of only what I’ve read and watched which is definitely enough tyvm! I just can’t believe, with all the information there is out in the open, that the authorities haven’t closed this gong show down by now.
I should have known better. Yesterday was a bad day for me. I got scammed by a bunch of tiny orgs – nothing to do with The Scam – but I’ll tell you about it some other time.
I even got the spelling of your name wrong. Sorry. But I appreciate your humor. I appreciate every attempt at humor when dealing with this monstrosity. Pls keep that up?
Hi Skyler
Not a problem! It’s not always easy, only reading text, to gauge the intended tone. And being relatively new around here and mostly just a lurker no one knows (yet??) how sarcastic my sense of humour can be. 😉
I’m sorry you had a bad day. I hope that’s all over and done with or it will be soon. *hug*
Ok, humour…here’s one just for you…
A man hits the back of a car sitting at a traffic light.
DM get out of the hit car and says, “I’m NOT happy!!”
The man said, “Well which one of the dwarfs are you then?”
;-D
I’ve been both, the military & on Scio staff. Scientology was, without doubt, the BIGGEST mistake I’ve ever made, and boy, I’ve made some crackers.
It shouldn’t take too much to understand just how “influenceable” a young person’s/child’s mind is. Scientology with its lies has really devolved & with the information super hwy it is devolving at an ever increasing pace, thank goodness.
Scientology must be the loneliest mindset in the cult world – to be reduced to plundering children for attention & to fill their ranks is truly sick. Truth & honesty are the best vaccinations against such evil intentions & doings.
Thanks for putting it out there Mike.
Humor me whilst I translate the Lydia-Speak:
“Thank God for the Sea Org. Between Ideal M’orgs and the IAS and going up the Bridge and one thing or another we’re totally tapped out. Only a few more years and the kids can quit school and join the Sea Org. That’s the best place for them. Better there than out in the wog world. Then we won’t have to worry about them anymore and all that money we’d be wasting on their higher education will be put to better use, like, our Bridge.”
Aquamarine, you really captured Lydia Hopwood, the Scn shrill shill. I know her personally and she is a piece of work. She is a second generation Scn and her son is now a 3rd generation Scn. She would love nothing better than for him to join the SO so she doesn’t have to worry about raising him more and paying for college for him. Who knows, Nick Hopwood might even be in the SO even now as we speak. You really captured her mindset and personality spot on. I’m so glad I’m out and away from all that BS now.
Good Lord. What a horrible woman! I was amusing myself with over-the-top satire. A mother like this actually EXISTS? Thank you, God, for making me an orphan. And, yes, I, too, give continual, DEEP thanks that I’m out, that you’re out, that we here are all out and no longer in contact with “the most ethical people on the planet”. Truly, its “1984” in the cult. George Orwell’s vision lives.
My first reaction, is that this reminds me of infamous desperate regimes that recruited child soldiers for last-ditch, suicidal defensive efforts as they faced certain defeat.
This also puts Scientology on a trajectory to become more like the JWs, who have some of the lowest levels of educational attainment among religious groups, with college graduation rare and only around 1/5 of the rate of the most-educated groups.
All true, PM, and add to what you’ve said the fact that parents who dump their kids in the SO, or, cave to their kids who actually WANT to drop out of school at 16 and join – these parents get love-bombed BIG time by the cult for being “on board” with this, whether they’re pushing the SO on their kids or just succumbing to the delusions of the kids themselves about what Sea Org life will be like.
We were all to some degree young and headstrong and impulsive when we were kids but boy oh boy, these kids that insist on getting their way about joining the Sea Org, are they ever in for a rude awakening. Soon enough will they find out what a horror pit they’ve trapped themselves in.
But of course, they’re human, and they need/want to be RIGHT, so, don’t hold your breath, parents, for them to ADMIT this to you.
I don’t like to put it this way, but there is no other way:
They’re going to have to get abused, lied to, betrayed, over a period of time – ENOUGH before they admit how awful it is, how it isn’t at all what they thought it would be, how they’re producing NOTHING, and how unhappy they are. They’re going to have to really suffer, before they come crawling back to you, admitting this. I suppose it depends on how much of the above each can take before they route out or blow.
In the meantime, they’re going to make you wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
But the good news is that once its over, they will learn, really understand, that decisions have consequences, and IMO that’s a valuable lesson and worthwhile no matter how old you are when you learn it. Some people never learn it.
I will work on getting this to the press as well. Im not at home right now, but should be able to do some stuff tonight from my room.
This stuff is just disgusting and perverted.
Kat
Help a lazy one out?
Anyone know of a link to a list of the ideal orgs, with the date they “went ideal”?
My quick google hasn’t paid off yet.
thx if ya got it.
(I’m specifically looking for Seattle Org)
got it..found on ortega.
Tony has them on his blog.
Lydia shows typical COS cognitive dissonance and bubble world ignorance. Comparing the SO to the US military is like comparing apples to uranium. In the military you can join as young as 16 (but requires parental consent). In the military you can learn sophisticated technical skills. In the military you learn about management and leadership in terms recognized by the “wog” world. When discharged from the military, most vets have in-demand professional skills that make them highly employable.
Military or Sea Org? Hmm. . . I sure hope that Lydia isn’t a parent. Her kids are doomed.
Chris, even the military doesn’t take anyone younger than 17 anymore, and restricts under 18 enlistments, because they want people who are mature and well-educated enough – which actually puts Sea Org recruitment in a very bad light.
First, I didn’t think a person under 18 can legally sign a contract. By them saying they are following the state required age for work, isn’t that calling it employment and therefore subject to child labor laws and required payment for services? There must be some way to enforce some law that would cause cos to be looked into, which would also put their tax exempt status in jeopardy.
I took LSD at age 14 to guarantee I would not be able to join the sea org.
That is certainly a viable strategy to keep you out of the SO. I hope you won’t mind if I point out that all you really need to do is just TELL them you took it, in case people want to prevent themselves from getting Shanghaid into the SO.
In fact, if the location of these children is known, maybe we could hire an airplane to drop some leaflets and tell them they can get out of the SO just by saying they were too embarrassed to admit they had tried LSD but want to come clean now and admit they took LSD a few times.
I think that is all they need to do to get kicked out of the SO and taste freedom again.
Is it possible these children are ever outdoors where we could drop some leaflets or write a message in the sky with an airplane that writes messages in the sky? I forget what that is called. Is it “sky writing”?
Scientology is a horror show. The recruiting of children and having them sign something that they don’t truly understand is appalling. A billion year contact is a more like a billion year prison sentence. How low to pray on innocent children who trust the adults around them. They have no clue what they’re in for.
Lidia? You’re absolutely right. Truly this cult IS a horror show. There’s nothing more scary than a Scientologist. Because he/she KNOWS that Scientology WORKS!
When doing my OT3 at AOLA in the 90’s, I saw a scraggly group of sea org children playing on a small patch of concrete behind a chain link fence. Lord of the Flies in an urban setting. That vision always remained with me, and was one of several points of cognitive dissonance that led to my leaving. Childhood is a learning ground for life, and to rob anyone of that, is truly evil.
Read Janis Grady’s comment and multiply that by 5 thousand. Child enslavement is a $cieno tradition and it will always be so. Parents ‘sign over’ their under age children (under 18) to the Sea bOrg who become their legal guardians. Those ‘guardians don’t guard anyone.
$cientology is always worse than you thought. Always.
I actual remember when I was 16/17 years old, having my 8 year old boy Sunday School students signing a “contract” of sorts. Not signing their life away, but a promise to study their Sunday School Materials, learn their prayers & “be good and kind to other people to please God”.
It would have been perfect to SEE a clear picture of this document to forward to CPS with these two ADULT MONITORS standing closely to this child to “make sure he’s signing a contract” which of course CPS would say “isn’t legit anyway since he’s a minor” & it’s a “religious document”.
This other requirement for a Purification Rundown AND Mega doses of Vitamins for CHILDREN….now we talking crossing the line of child abuse on BOTH ends….the parents & who ever is doing this Purification Rundown…….ON CHILDREN.
IS there a DOCUMENT that CLEARLY STATES PURIFICATION RUNDOWN FOR CHILDREN IS REQUIRED & WHAT IT ENTAILS FOR CHILDREN & anything on MEGA DOSES OF VITAMAIN or CAL MAG to be INGESTED BY CHILDREN AS A REQUIREMENT OF COS…now any documentation like that can be used.
Love Lydia’s social media post that you included in which she praises her 18-year old counselor. After spending decades in the cult (including years in PR), I no longer am astonished at the BS spin the cult comes up with, and would love to hear how they spin an 18-year-old becoming one of their highest trained and “best” counselors. Either that counselor started training at a very young age or the length of training isn’t long compared to what is required of counselors in the outside world. Just sayin…something isn’t adding up here!
My favorite part:”…by 1986 it became apparent that the duties of a member of the Sea Organization were not compatible with raising children.” Then there is an example given that a Sea Org member must be free to travel on short notice and for extended periods which is not easily balanced with raising young children. Like they cared. Sea Org members worked very long hours and while in the early days they could see their children over dinner, time with one’s children became shorter and shorter and sometimes children did not see their parents for days or weeks just because the Sea Org member parent was working long hours or in the RPF or whatever, not because they were out of town. The church’s statement above is total deception with what was really going on when children and babies were allowed. A more truthful statement is that the church of scientology did not give two shits about babies and children. From what I gleaned at that time there were not enough nannies and the nannies that were assigned to babies and children were incompetent and too few. There are so many stories of small children found walking the streets of Clearwater, or urine soaked diapers, OR if old enough to work, arduous and long hard hours and the church violated child labor laws constantly. Just read Jenna Miscavige’s book.
Once again, the church of lies and deceit.
So angry right now. This must stop. Child abuse should not be tolerated for any reason, ESPECIALLY religious ones.
I hear you Cat. I know it’s not something most everyone hasn’t looked up but I wanted to see a list of cults and what their practices were, and the cult of scientology hit most every one of the traits, and that pissant miscavige fits the abusive cult leaders traits to a t.
It’s time, way past time, for some action to protect the most innocent. Someone has to draw a line in the sand. The word religion seems to be able to be applied to any belief and it seems it can be used to also hide behind. Fine, have your title but there needs to be some limitations as to just what that title entitles you to do.
The Humane society protects animals far better that we seem to be able to protect children. Something our lawmakers should take note of. (Not sure but I think maybe the humane society did take some action years ago which included protection to children?)
Abusive cult and telling lies, as usual.
About late ´90s, a 15 year old joined Sea Org as Board In Charge. Per the law they should not work beyond 10 pm (or earlier, I do not remember the time exactly).
But…but the stats of RTC and FSO were much more important than any law and the younger stayed on post until 2 am, for several days in a row, to get the IAS registration done and to get the folders and the Board ready for the next day Value of Services Delivered Statistic.
School? The Tech Services Executive said that could not be done, the younger needed to be upstat and stay on post to accomplish so.
And this is just one example among many youngsters that join this criminal, abusive cult.
18 year old Class IX? Are you kidding? Just evidence on how quicky these new auditors are being trained.
I knew Angie Knewitz (Trent) at FSO when she was 15. She was a Class IX then. I took her to get her Drivers license when she turned 16.
This does not surprise me as it happened to my brother, sister and I. It was 1968, I was 11 years old, on the Royal Scotman in Spain with no parents aboard – only my 13 year old sister. We had a choice of leaving the ship with no home to go to or signing the contract to remain on board and one day see our mother when she returned. We were used as child slaves, washing dishes by hand in the main galley with no schooling – later we were given schooling to ensure we knew how to read, write and do basic math. A life of TOTAL control, servitude and lack of education is not a life I wish on any child. Parents need to wake up. https://www.amazon.com/author/janisgrady
I have really enjoyed your fascinating interviews about the early CMO and being at sea in Hubbard’s navy.
Janis Gillham Grady, interview with Jeffrey Augustine – 3 parts
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=original+messenger+janis+grady+part
Janis Gillham Grady, Mike Laws, discussion with Aaron Smith-Levin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlOe0PIE5jY
Janis Gillham Grady, interview with Ron Miscavige
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuSsXs4ENQA
Be well and keep doing interviews. 🙂
Thanks PTS-SP, I appreciate your support.
I’m sure an 18 year old with less than an 8th grade education is perfectly qualified to hear all your deepest darkest secrets, and past lives, and cure you of what ails you, whether you knew it ailed you or not. Class IX? Age 18? Must have started on the indoctrination treadmill when he was six.
Imagine an 18 year old who has reached nearly the pinnacle of success in his field. Then imagine him a year or two from now, grubbing on the RPF because he told a joke or kissed a girl, enduring bad food, sleep deprivation, loss of friends and family, running everywhere, scorned and shunned even by his co-religionists, begging his “betters” to sign off that he really is a person and not a slave, all with an idea that he is helping clear the planet, whatever that means.
Angie at 15 was telling me dirty jokes told to her by her PCs when she was 15. I will not repeat them here.
“I’m sure an 18 year old with less than an 8th grade education is perfectly qualified to hear all your deepest darkest secrets…”
Of course! And very likely an 18 year old from an Eastern Block country, ESL and still learning English, so add language ineptitude to lack of life experience onto the list of “qualifications ” those experts in charge of auditing your witholds possess.
And the best news is, so long as your money’s green, you’re perfectly qualified to pay top dollar for it!
Eastern Block recruits would be multilingual since they are also CSL, Clamspeak Second Language. All Scientologists are CSL. Here’s a clamspeak dictionary for fringe Scientologists and never ins.
http://www.bible.ca/scientology-dictonary-terms.htm
I think the CoS is now offering some internet courses and people experimenting need a dictionary. Someone said Scientology course rooms don’t use the Scientology Tek Dictionary anymore so still ins might also find it useful.
“With permission of parents”. Ahaha…. they tried to kidnap me while my parents were at work when I was 13. Nope.
Mike, the addition of the post by Lydia is the icing on the cake made of bs.
The fact that she is doing her “refresher” is an indictment of what a brainwashed spigot of pure Hubbard lies she is. Thanks Mike for keeping us up to date on the on going perversion of children by the cult.
They cannot recruit adults because no one 18+is that stupid these days so it is time for more kiddies. Just like Hubtard wanted it to be.
My recent “refresher” … Uhm, yeah … Right … “Refresher” …
Signing a billion year contract sounds like it would be a Very significant event of importance. Perched at an opulent desk, with a feather quill pen (like Hubbs) while trumpets toot. Ahhh, not to be. These kids have to do it kneeling on the hard floor, using a chair as a desk. Can someone please word clear shame!!