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The Sad State Of Scientology

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You can glean a lot from a single promotional item as the bubble world of scientology continues to shrink and they increasingly lose track of what they are actually saying.

Let’s take a look at the latest Moneywinds seminar promotion piece and the blurb they sent out with it:

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Screenshot (308)First, isn’t it just a little odd that the two “other” speakers apart from the International KeyNote Speaker and Officer from the Freewinds have their case level listed? It’s never been an outpoint to anyone that the majority of people who are “running the church” at “top levels” are not even clear, let alone OT. I would bet that after 25 years in the Sea Org (or however long it is) this international speaker and D/COB for Poster Images is NOT OT…. This would be like the cardinals in the Vatican not having ever participated in Holy Communion.  It is such a huge, crashing “departure from the ideal scene” that nobody can confront it. It’s relegated to “we don’t think about that.”

Of course, like EVERYTHING the Moneywinds does, this is oriented around making money so you can hand it over to them. Now these two “others” are the models of success, and they are supposedly OT VII — why have they not done OT VIII? Either they are “OT VII” (now redefined to being “on or through the level” and they are actually “in progress” on Solo NOTs and they are not really “OT VII”) or they are the antithesis of everything they are claiming to lecture everyone else about. They finished OT VII and decided they no longer wanted to hand over any money to do OT VIII, instead they got smart and decided to get other people to hand over THEIR money and they will make commissions AND have total “ethics protection.” Maybe that is “Truth Revealed.”

Third, how in one year can Rafferty Pendery be a “3X” Running Program completion. Seriously? He has done it 3 times in a year? I know he doesn’t work and is supported by his mother in law who finances his life and bridge, but apparently he literally has nothing to do other than run around a pole. I would love to read his 3 success stories side by side “I am totally at cause,” “I thought I was totally at cause, but now I know I really am,” “I was at total cause and then I decided I was not at total cause so I causatively decided not to be at cause so I could do the Running Pgm again so I could be total cause over not being cause.” And finally, “I am really looking forward to doing this 4X because number of times over the material equals asserted certainty of success story.”

And let’s take a quick look at Andre D’Agostini. He promotes himself on the internet as the VP PR and Marketing at American Power and Gas LLC.

A quick Google search brings up this:

AMerican Power

Seems like he might be better off staying on the job and changing conditions at America Power and Gas, not lecturing others on how they should handle their lives.

And isn’t it just the slightest bit odd that if this guy is lording over this massively expanding company he has time to flit around the country doing seminars with Rafferty and Gavin? You would think he would be busy, especially when his company’s PR is not too good…

So, I would say that none of these 3 have anything to recommend them as leaders of a seminar on anything.

But this is a fundamental principal in scientology. You can be an expert on anything if you can toss off a few LRH quotes. They are like magic potion or invisible cream. And it is such an accepted part of the mindset of a scientologist that it is perhaps the hardest thing to break free from. People continue to “quote LRH” and begin their sentences with “LRH says…” and “look for what Ron said” even long after they leave the church.

 

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  26. Hi Lori,Good to meet you.I agree bullet point does sound like a porno synopsis.When my mind was KoolAid SO it would be RD.45,or the use of a .45 gun to do you or someone else a quick trip to Target 2. The really scary bit is more than one might think took that route out.Ann.

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  28. Hi Mike, great post as always, can’t thank you enough for all you do and have gone through. I was wondering if you have any thoughts you’d like to share about the news of Ron Sr. writing a book, how damning you think it will be and what you think the impact of this could be on the bubble?

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  29. Re: 3x Running Program (Cause Resurgence) completion.

    Good point about “completing” it three times in a year.

    I completed the pilot 30 years ago and have not the slightest thought in that time that I’d need to do it again.

    I know what is happening here. Someone took the LRH statement that the program can be done more than once and interpreted it to mean, should be done several times a year and please see the registrar each time.

    And WHY would they promote something like 3 times running program completion? Why not “three times Clear attest”?

    Without too much thought, it’s easy to see it’s one of those things you never really can complete. Like the objectives and Student Hat.

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  30. Hi jmfool, Thank you for your post. I’m sorry for your cancer & you are good to handle it your way.I have two colon & breast cancer twice I’m almost 64. No history in my family at all & the consensus amoung my cancer docs is asbestos exposure & long nights in the SO contributed.But I’m here & those that know me on this blog know I believe in my spiritual strength & their fire & love & intention when I get down.For you if auditing works I am happy for you, for me no never again. I have posted here why.I respect your viewpoint but no genetic programming will keep my body from turning over anytime soon.We all approach situations our own way & at our own pace.My best to you.Ann.

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  31. We all know the high cost of religious advancement whether it pertains to going up the bridge or raising your status. It takes a BIG being to meet those needs. You don’t want to be a small being do you? No, you don’t, so here’s a seminar featuring three big beings who are way bigger than you. They are wielding some mighty LRH quotes that can unstop your flows and give you the “tools to OT!”

    They work like magic because LRH quotes have special powers that make things go just the way you want them to. Very special theta powers unlike anything ever known to man. It’s the only hope the universe has, so let’s not fuck it up by you not being able to make enough money, okay?

    Disappointing refreshments will be available on a first come basis.

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    • Hi Roger, You make the evening hours fun & instructive.I love the disappointing refreshments.The OT powers please grant me PB & strawberry jam on whole wheat bread right now,the beast food I had in the SO. Love U Ann.

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      • Hi Ann, that seminar starts in a few minutes do you think anybody’s there? I wish I could attend but I live in Atlanta. I’d love to show up with a carton of eggs if you know what I mean.

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      • Hi Aquamarine, Right behind you & Roger. I’ll bring lemons & a huge container of four day left over thick coagulated bean sauce with greenish hot dogs.I won’t forget the 24k gold ladle so all can have a taste of what I got whenever my condition fell to liability.Beyond that one I got no food.Ann.

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  33. “LRH tech to create sound overnite expansion”.

    Seriously, who writes this shit? Mike, would you know?

    What “expansion” be considered “sound” that was “created” only yesterday?

    Jesus Christ.

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  34. Hi Paulette Cooper Noble,I am very honored to meet you.Thank you for your post.It made me laugh & believe we all can do something about it.With deep admiration,Ann.

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    • The Scilon anti-vax stupidity is a combination of Scientology’s pathological hatred of Big Pharma and their belief that all disease is caused by being PTS to something. They probably believe that vaccinations are implants and that the eradication of smallpox was caused by the release of OTVIII.

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    • I am embarrassed to admit that I bought into the “don’t have your son circumcised – it will cause an engram shortly after birth”. No eyedrops in the eyes of babies after they are born, no vaccinations, they cause engrams and heavens! they inject them with the very diseases they are trying to prevent, thus creating their own PTS condition. Lots of brainwashing involved with how to raise children.

      Let’s not forget, this from the place that told us that we should feed our babies barley formula (15 ounces of barley water, 10 ounces of homogenized milk, and of course 3 ounces of corn syrup) My daughter thought so highly of this formula that she would bite the nipples off the bottles and throw them across the room (smart girl).

      So much misinformation in one place it is truly frightening.

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      • Valerie, I know a Koolaid drinking mother who gave her kid that barley water crap because she didn’t, or couldn’t, stop smoking, and was told that this was better for the kid than mother’s milk or medically approved formulas. That child has been sickly, low toned and whining since birth. Always something wrong, always sick. Bit pf course, this has always been blamed on the child’s case. And – now let me make you laugh – its understood that the child has ALWAYS had a “whole track purpose” to join the Sea Org! They’re spending a fortune for the kid’s education at a Scientology school. When I heard that, out of the father’s mouth, I shuddered, thinking, ” They can’t wait to dump him and be praised to the skiesfor doing so! Personally, I give the kid at best a month to withstand the rigors of the SO.

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      • OMG
        I thought I had heard just about all the damaging crap about the RCS but that story made me wince.

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      • Hi Valerie,Your post brings back memories of SOers who had babies at the Children’s Org not many at Asho F but a few,they were positively giddy over the baby formula they were having fed to their little ones.Exactually as you posted.At very special occasions when these babies came to Asho they were always thin runny noses eyes & cough.The one whole day when we cleaned that Org the condition of the baby formula bottles with stuck on residue from barley water was appalling. And the swarms of fruit flys,made me decide right then & there never to put a baby of mine through that in the SO At least I kept that to myself or my well worn path to Ethics would have had more of my foot traffic.Ann.

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  37. The marketing hamster wheel based on “outflow equals inflow” was long ago ingrained in my mind in Sea Org and took quite a while to break free from because there is a tiny grain of truth buried somewhere in it.

    True, if you advertise you will probably get results IF:

    1. You target the right audience.
    2. You have a product/service that audience wants.
    3. The product/service is priced correctly.
    4. You know when to leave them alone (don’t oversaturate the market).

    Unfortunately, they have never gotten the “you know when to leave them alone” part down. When someone is bombarded night and day (and night and day and night and day and . . . .) until a they are forced to change their number, block calls, hide behind locked doors with blinds pulled to simply get some peace, they have become more than oversaturated.

    Any sane person would realize that it is counterproductive to continue bothering that person, and know that one day that person is going to break and no longer give you anything more, and more than likely become an outspoken critic of what they once supported.

    The robots blindly following scientology “scripture” do not have enough self-awareness to realize that the mass outflow they are creating is actually creating the opposite effect they desire.

    People are so overwhelmed with promo after promo after promo after promo hitting their mailbox, phone, email, etc. that they simply ignore them all.

    I don’t get the mails, calls or emails and I have gotten to the point where I cringe at the promos by now just from reading the blogs.

    Maybe they will pop their own bubble just from all the sharp edges on the promos?

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  38. Unreal,getting paid to con you’re adult married congregation members one at a $time to do high forms of church sacraments?!! I couldn’t imagine having a church “spaghetti dinner” to talk my like minded friends into Paying/Buying for double strength communion or triple devout confirmation II,while in the back of my mind is I need to get 20 of these idiots to pay up so I can get my 8x cognitions on all new secret sacrament between marriage and anointing of the sick. But no one is allowed to know what it entails nor ask about where it came from….Wow! This is not a religion!!!!!!!

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  39. This OC org always looks like a morgue. They put it in SANTA ANA, which for those of you who do not live in southern California, has a predominantly low income, Hispanic-speaking population. If they are hunting for whales, they doing it in a landlocked ship in the middle of the desert. The real money is in South OC, or in the beach communities.

    This whole building is an enormous footbullet.

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    • Linclnbot, you are correct. The old org was in Tustin, a very well to do city here in Orange County. The new org is in THE most heavily populated city we have. Ninety-five percent Hispanic and mostly poor. Also, Santa Ana is known, or at least it use to be, as the heroin capital of southern California.

      The old org in Tustin was actually a fun place back in the very early 80s. Much of it was open air. And, they didn’t have enough to fill that one.

      But, leave it to DAVID “LET HIM DIE” MISCAVIGE to pick the poorest city in Orange County to build an Idle Morgue. I took a tour of the building, the old Masonic Temple, several years ago. It’s 3 or 4 stories tall and empty.

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  40. Mike, Mike, Mike, everybody (in the SO, at least) knows that competence is senior to case gain. Hell, Don Bateman used to quote that to explain why he never moved on the Grade Chart. Gavin Potter don’t need no stinking OT VII badges. He is competent even at the level of negative Purif Retread/sec checking release.

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    • I agree that competence is senior to case gain, very much so. I also believe competence to be senior to rank when something needs to be done well. Successful execs defer to their competent underlings all the time. Its just common sense.

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  41. Another day, another scam, and more lies from the scientology elite. Life goes on.
    But this continual mindset reference to Hubbard, Ron says this… or LRH says that… what would Ron do… over and over is a serious blight on intelligence. It’s like an adherent has personally taken on the role of guru of scientology propaganda, on lines or not. I’d much rather watch reruns of Kung Fu than put up with a scientologists’ incessant ramblings about something they are not or can never be, self-determined. Grasshopper was immensely more accommodating with wisdom.
    I’m more or less convinced now that all NOTs as ever delivered by the RCS was never Hubbard anyway and since the rewrite of the Bridge in 78 the bullshit factory went into high gear. And the money just kept coming in for that stuff, more and bigger lies = more money. Their formula has been exceedingly successful but who cares about the broken promises and broken lives, money is God to scientology’s elite. The GATs, Basics and other refinements are all just fine tuning the lies for an even quicker buck. It’s all a sick delusion for only one person controls the money generated by scientology – miscavige! and that’s all his motivation has ever been, money. He’d make the mafia jealous just on his real estate scheme alone.
    The fact the organisational system created at Saint Hill and the implementation of the SO morphed into the ongoing scam dreamed up in 1978 is testament to the unworkability of scientology policy – it protects nothing except the criminal in charge of it, no matter how ethical and good it seems. An apparent difference in the 60s and early 70s was that you had to actually be proficient with auditing before you received the “good stuff” but now anyone can be duped into buying it. Dispensing with training and the evidence of gains was the flux upon which the lies grew and grew, but boy, didn’t the money flow.
    What a deceitful scam it is.

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  43. Nice expose Mike. You always go that extra mile and get to the truth of the matter.

    LRH says: “I hate fakes. And it’s interesting that the only mud they can throw at us is that we’re somehow fakes. See, “The overt doth speak loudly in accusation.“ Shakespeare rewritten.” — STUDYING: DATA
    ASSIMILATION, A lecture given on 9 July 1964

    See? I’M one of those guys quoting LRH!

    THE biggest withhold the C of S has is the stable datum that it is an OVERT (harmful contra-survival act) to speak the truth when it is not considered to be in the best interests of the church.

    Thanks for being overt and speaking the TRUTH, Mike.

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  44. I am still confused as to why DM gets to run the joint and he has zero credentials? I realize these members have zero functioning brains that process any relevant information but gee whiz, do these people get dumber with age? And there are so many of them! Maybe they should stay where they are and go quiet and not infect the rest of the gene pool. Please someone turn them off!

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    • Peggy, You’re right about DM. He took over right under everyone’s nose and he had no credentials, no OT case level, no auditor level other than the failed Class IV internship he was kicked off of for slapping his pc, and no exec status under his belt. His only claim to the job was the hostile takeover he did at LRH’s death with the faked forged letter saying he was the one LRH wanted to run the show. No one thought to question him. And those in the SO who could have stopped it were quickly rounded up and imprisoned at Int Base in Hemet, CA. The church members and SO members were so dumb to let him waltz in and take it all over that they deserve what they now get.

      On and on different subject, the Pendery guy works at the company that whale Tom Cummins owns, and that has lots of complaints etc.

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      • If anyone is interested in exactly how the monster ever managed to seize control of this billion-dollar scam, I suggest you review just how Hitler managed to seize control of Germany in 1933.

        I would suggest the reason can be summarized as follows:

        He was willing to do whatever it took to seize control. He was willing to be more violent and more ruthless than anyone else. Most other people in positions that might have been able to take control had families and loved ones they would worry might suffer if they lost the struggle. Hitler and the monster both had no families and nothing they cared about that prevented them from seizing control.

        To be specific, there was one day that is remembered as, “The Night of the Long Knives”, where Hitler lead a raiding party of uber-violent and armed SS people (perhaps before they became SS). They went into a vacation resort hotel when everyone there was sleeping. The people who were staying at that hotel at that time were members of the Storm Troopers led by Ernst Rohm. In Hitler’s opinion, he was Hitler’s main rival and when he was eliminated, then Hitler had little problem seizing control of the country.

        Rohm was a homosexual and there were some rather insane laws designed to suppress everyone in Germany who did not support Hitler. Jews, Gypsies and Homosexuals were at the top of that list.

        So, Hitler and his entourage marched into the hotel and arrested most everyone and murdered Rohm and his followers – either at that time or within a day or two of having arrested him.

        Most people at that time – and at this time too – would worry about committing such brazen murders. But Hitler was willing to do whatever he thought he needed to do and after that night, he had little trouble seizing control of the country.

        I may have a few of those facts wrong. But I hope that I have accurately summarized the events that enabled Hitler to seize control and I believe the monster of this scam was willing to do most anything that he felt was needed for him to take control of the scam as well.

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        • Skyler you summarized how Hitler took control of the Nazi Party.

          He took control of GERMANY because the citizenry stupidly voted his party into power and Germany had a lame constitution that allowed the party in power to make a dictatorship by LAW.

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  45. Can anyone tell me what the four flow-stopping false datums are? I GOTS to know!

    You see, I’m having to get up in the middle of the night all the time, and it’s because my flows are kinda not flowing so smooth… oh, it’s not those kind of flows? Oh, what? It’s about money flowing out? That’s all too easy already. It flows for groceries, vacations, housing, transportation, entertainment, and on and on. I got no problem flowing the money. I don’t need new ways to flow that stuff. I need to flow the pee; that’s what I need. Can Gavin Potter help me with that? Otherwise, it’s the urologist I’m going to flow money to.

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    • Thank you hgc10, I needed some word clearing on the exact nature of the four flow stopping datums too.Now hubby can rest well since I am not flushing all night long.And the sec checker matron in my nightmares will have to hunt for the toothbrushes in the dark because I can now stop the flow of electricity to all the lights etc.See Ron I knew I could do it! Ann.

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    • Me too! I look forward to this blog each day.
      I knew very little about the CULT before; I would simply dismiss any mention of it as a bunch of kooks with more $$$ than brains.
      I have been down the Going Clear rabbit hole since I watched it on 3/29/15. And it shows no sign of letting up any time soon; what with all the new things (Ron Jr book) constantly coming to light.
      Mike is right; prediction for the CULT:
      PAIN!!!

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    • Is this The Oracle that used to post a long time ago who defends Marty? If not, I suggest you change your on line name.

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      • Cindy you are very generous. She went a little further than just defending Marty.

        I’ve meet The Oracle and she even invited me into her home. I like her personally but at some point she ( along with Windhorse ) decide to post themselves as Marty’s palace guards. They reminded me of two Mastiffs that are purposely kept hungry so they will attack at the least provocation. If you dared to even twitch in the wrong direction toward Marty you were going to get a slice taken out of your hide.

        Very unfortunate because before she took on this unholy new job her posts were some of the most clever and well written of any . She was funny and smart. She would have made a great newspaper columnist.

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  47. The whole situation of the Church of Scientology is hysterically funny. I am laughing all the way to my next life knowing my kids will never get involved in that church. 🙂 I plan on telling my kids “You stay away from the place! 🙂

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  48. America Power and Gas is one of those ‘energy marketeers’ that popped up in many states that deregulated their energy markets. They use mass robo calls and high pressure sales tactics to get you to use their ‘energy products’. They then buy at the best rate they can get from the power plant or gas producer and they resell that ‘product’ to the masses with their profit thrown in. It is like phone cramming and many states have prosecuted ‘energy companies’ for bad faith marketing and plain old fraud.

    With so much of their sales being done on a verbal basis, there is no record or what was really promised. They garner so much work for the BBB and attorney generals that keeping them in line is not possible.

    $cientology is the Sham-Wow of religions. And these guys are the Amway inspired con artists who will teach you how to do it too. ‘Prosperity conventions’ like this are just another Amway scam, with pallet loads of the ‘Basics’ thrown in.

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  49. Compared to the previous promo for the event that was cancelled I note that now Gavin Potter gets top billing again (Mike having pointed out the out-point last time) and the other two guys are ON OTVII (whereas the last guy was “OTVII” which made one wonder why he was doing the lecture circuit instead of OTVIII except that a reason for that is that he was trying to get in some people to FSM so he could afford to do it.)

    Some interesting subject titles: “How to move out of Phase I into Phase II” – say what? and “Why you never want to approach a project from Enthusiasm” Hmmm. And then there is “How to blow four false datums that will stop your flows.” Yes, please stop the out-of-pocket-flows….. Whazzat? Oh I get a sec-check! This is known as the mysterysandwich-gibberish-sec-check PR tech. How sad. I promise I did not approach the writing of this email with Enthusiasm.

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    • Hi Wendy M,Good to meet you. Those titles in the promo got to me too.Especially the ” How to blow four false datums that will stop your flows…” I’m so pleased you did not approach the writing of your email with Enthusiasm, because the Sec Checker is gliding down the hallway with a Tone 40 smile & snarky, shifting eyes with perfect TRs & a nice long sheet of gibberish yet if we don’t answer correctly we won’t be happy campers ever questions for us! And there are always those toilets & plenty of toothbrushes…Ann.

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  50. Mike,

    In some degree of fairness, it says those two guys are “On OT VII”, using the word “on” to show they are in progress on it, which would explain why they are not OT VIII.

    Not that there still aren’t a bunch of valid points you are making, just that this is not one of them.

    Dave

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    • You’re right Dave. My bad.

      Though it sort of highlights the point why DONT they have OT VIII’s promoting them as that is the only service they really sell….

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  51. 1) NASA is a government agency. It is not a Fortune 500.

    2) Has anyone outside of Scientology ever heard of D’Agostini? I know I haven’t.

    3) Data. How many times must it be repeated that “data” is the plural of “datum”? And don’t try to pull something out of your ass regarding the contrary, especially if it originally came from LRH’s ass.

    4) Random Capitalization Is the New exclamation Point!.

    5) Why is it that the Most Ethical People On The Planet consistently work for the most unethical companies on the planet?

    6) What do “LRH tools to go OT Exclamation Point” have to do with the subject of the seminar?

    7) Doesn’t “sound overnight expansion” sound like an ad blurb for an erectile dysfunction medication?

    Speaking of that, does anyone know how Scientology reconciles ED medication and the Putrif? If you think about it, Ye Olde Little Blue Pill can easily be regarded as the greatest good for the First and Second Dynamics. Why would you want to abandon that and get rid of its effects? And if someone out there tells me that the Putrif restores sexual potency, I’ll ask you to get it up or shut up.

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  52. Hi Mike, Again these promo pieces are so absurd & the 3x running program is absolutely crazy! If you must run at least run around some scenery or a few hills etc a pole is cruel & part of the scam.What you wrote about quoting Ron & all is well with our mission of clearing this planet happens all the time with repetitive feeling.And all these self promoters.If cos gets anyone to come & listen to these three I pity the audience.Also how a bright idea will change conditions instantly & What Ron says about becoming unstoppable in any activity really? That will help in running to the exit before a reg if you have been doing the pole thing.Always Ann.PS Thank you the rats are quiet for awhile.A big cat went after them.

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  53. Looking at that promotion (as with many of the others), there is absolutely nothing spiritual about it, unless of course we are talking about the worship of money. It reads as just what it is.. a business. Marketing. What a joke. If the concern of Scientology were truly to ‘clear the planet’, it wouldn’t cost so much/money would not be paramount. They would be happy to share their ‘faith’.

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  54. How does an energy company even DO mass marketing?! Oh. He’s located in Florida. Somehow, learning something weird is going on in Florida makes it less surprising. Florida has the best newsworthy crazy of any state, not even counting that company, err, “religious institution” in Clearwater! How come they’re promoting him as an ACTOR? Are they that desperate for actual entertainers?

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  55. Nobody is confronting anything anymore: too much fear. Plus, they’ve become accustomed to elephantine out points. The cherch has long, long since been the Church of The Ignored Cognitive Dissonance.
    And you can’t run a business WISEly over the long run. It just Does Not Work. Tubby didn’t know what he was talking about and made WISE stuff up on the fly. He was definitely given to fantasy when he speculated upon the dynamics of human individuals and the workings of groups. He was right just enough times to believe he was speculating…er, correctly.

    …And could somebody do something about Rafferty? Take him out behind the shed or something and put him out of MY misery!

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  56. These are the kind of people that would PAY to speak at a seminar. Proselytizing narcissistic rubes, who are a jack of all trades, but master of none.
    They have gravitated to Scientology because Scientology accepts them, and just loves the 30k millionaire.

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  57. “Psssst…pssssst! Hey kid! C’mere. I can sell you OT8 (Truth Revealed) for a reduced price.”

    (the kid). “Wow!!! Are kidding me?”

    “No kid, I’m not. I can get you on to OT8 for only $5,000!”

    (the kid). $5,000! Are you sure? Isn’t like $20,000 or something like that?

    It is, kid. But, I’ve got some serious connections on the Fleecewinds. So, what do say?”

    (the kid) OK! Let me go and take out my life savings! My parents might not be supportive, but, when I show them this price, they’ll have to admit I’m pretty smart!”

    Some time later…

    (the kid) Ok, here’s the $5,000 for OT8. When do I leave on the ship?” And what’s this I hear about OT8 being ‘Truth Revealed?’

    “Well kid, can you confront “Truth Revealed.”

    (the kid). ” I CAN CONFRONT ANYTHING!”

    “Ok. I’m glad you said that.” The truth is I’m a former reg for the Fleecewinds. I brought in tons of cash from the fools! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    (the kid) “Ummmmm. I don’t think you should be calling scientologists fools. We’re the most ethical people on the planet!”

    “That’s the way it goes, kid. Now here your Truth Revealed: It’s all a scam! All of it! Hubbard lied about his entire life. OT3 is a complete joke! OT8, like 3 – 7, is STILL all about body thetans.”

    (the kid) Oh my God! I don’t know what to think anymore! Well, at least I’ll get my money back, right? Hey, where you going? I get my money back right? RIGHT?????

    “Sorry kid. The other half of Truth Revealed is you never get any of your money back. Ever. I hope your parents won’t be too disappointed in you.”

    (the kid) OH MY GOD!!! My parents! How will I ever make this up to them? I wish I had never gotten into scientology!”

    “Now you’re talking kid….”

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  58. Note that someone from American Power & Gas initially gave someone at the BBB a “The Why is God” explanation for their complaints. Then, a few months later, it is explained that nothing is the matter at all! These complaints have no underlying cause and that it’s just a natural consequence of doing business.

    I’ve got google set up to alert me should this company ever give any talks about stat management or customer relations! They obviously are working with some breakthrough administrative technology.

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  60. As a note, the last few Freewinds’ posters announce events in “Ideal” or whatever Orgs, meaning, before they used to promote and actually have many events at the ship itself, they were usually well attended and parishioners used to have a relaxing time at them.

    I imagine that since the unprecedented IDEAL IAS regging stepped up and parishioners started to leave in droves, that the ideal tactic is to try to steal from them ashore, inside their one orgs.

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  61. All the way back in 1971, I was asking at the AOLA why weren’t the SO staff getting trained and audited up to OT. That would put them on top of their game.

    OH. They have to get their stats up and by then it is XX AM and then they have to be on post , and so they never get training and auditing. So I refused ever ever to get on that endless wheel.

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    • Hi jrfool, You were one smart being! Maybe I would not have 2 cancers now if I had listened to my spirit instead of Ron’s.But all I can do now is live each day the best I can & help the best I can to see the end of the road for cos & generally send light to those still in even though they are in darkness.Always Ann.

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      • Hi Ann. I too have cancer: Prostrate since turning 69, 8 years ago. With diet, exercise, care of the body, and occasional auditing the cancer is not growing or going anywhere. As human bodies age cancer becomes the second cause of death, due to genetic programming (IMO) to keep bodies turning over.

        Sadly (IMO) those in may be dramatizing atonement, or paying back Karma as-it-were, or simply are needing an organization to care and feed them, however little that is in truth. They WANT to obey.

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    • I had the same cosideration at my class 5 org regarding training and processing the staff. It seemed to me-back then- that if they were all Clear, it would boom the orgs stats. I couldn’t understand why so many key personnel weren’t Clear. Looking back on it, some of the people pushing the hardest to clear the planet didn’t even know what Clear was.

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      • If being clear made you into what Ron said, they’d train em and audit them. Because they would be super beings.

        Even Scientology is not used by them. Deep down they know it’s bs.

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  63. Quite a BBB record. It shows that rip-off runs throughout Scientology influenced businesses. It is learned from the church and part of what members learn from examples the church sets in how it does things. Rape and pillage is OK to get stats up is the overriding policy. A couple hundred bruised and ripped off customers probably matters very little to Andrea.

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  64. Is there any religion in the entire world that puts out as many marketing pieces as Scientology? I am guessing that they send these same promotional pieces to the same recipients over and over again. Like any advertisement, the more you see it, the more likely you are to delete or discard it without reading it. This is especially true if the “product” (is religion supposed to be a product for consumption?) fails to deliver any real benefits. Here’s hoping that Scientology prints itself into oblivion.

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  65. I’ll bet Andre’s PR goes something like this… Our company is winning! Thanks to our customer service department we recently received 200 mentions on a prominent U.S. business web site!

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  66. Did a quick search on Andrea D’Agostini, Rafferty Pendery and Studio98, and basically what you find are self-promoting, self-listing web sites. Nowhere will you find any third-party content praising their genius.

    In the 70s and 80s Scnists sold rugs, pictures, magazines, water purifiers, vitamins, etc. It seems that promoting yourself as a “marketing guru” or “online expert” is now the rage. I’m always suspicious when they start tossing around words like guru, expert or maven. I personally know Scnists who have zero education and zero work experience in internet-based systems, who have re-invented themselves as online experts and even have the balls to speak at church sponsored seminars.

    They are liars and charlatans.

    Having worked with internet technologies for 20 years I would never call myself a guru or even an expert. I am competent at what I do, and at times brilliant. I DO know real experts in the field. They are very intelligent, highly educated and have a proven, documented history. They are sought after by trade publications and for international business conferences and conventions. That is a real guru, not this fake shit the church is flogging.

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      • Hi Carl Panzarella DDS,Good to meet you.I had forgotten the Blue-Green Algae! If my memory serves @ Asho F there was a public cos member who was selling it in a form like a thick milk shake.He brought in a batch for the SO.It was positively disgusting & turned our stomachs.I do not know if you mean the same stuff or different either way awful.This was in the mid seventies.Ann.

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      • Not only that, they’d issue a goldenrod on the teeth marks, then later deny the biting ever happened.

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      • Hi Visitor,Then you best call me last century! I’m getting around to mastering the Internet better than I could a few years ago.For me the Imternet is easier than winding myself up with big reel to reel tapes,dictaphones,typewriters,telex machines,& that PBX.And my brain still works pretty well too.Ann.

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      • Hi Valerie,An excellent post! I love the picture of the bubble popping from all the sharp edges on the promos, I cringe at the promos also but I also laugh more at them than I used to because the irony of so much of cos stuff is just so delicious! But oh Ann what you bought into & how you bulldozed & bullbaited it into others hearts & souls.I sincerely apologize.Ann.

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