Here is a perfect example of scientologist cause and confront from a posterchild for OTishness, our old friend Barbara Dews.
A Special Correspondent sent me this email exchange and if you read down the thread (earliest at the top) you will see BD going from a shark smelling fresh blood, to a somewhat concerned deer caught in the headlights to a rabbit that scurried down her hole in abject terror.
This is cause over life. This is how to confront and shatter suppression. This is how to be OT so you can go OT.
Barbara epitomizes fundamentalist scientology. So dead certain that she knows the answers to everything, until asked to confront the real world.
Interesting demonstration of SP cause over OT.
To: Barbara Dews
Hi Barbara –
Do you know who I would contact about a Selectee that needs an FSM?
I need some help with that?
ML and ARC
I could make a recommendation with more data if you want.
Flag Service Consultant
Okay, someone in Clearwater, Florida would be nice. Someone who is OT VIII, GAT II, a recent Super Power Completion and all three L’s would be really nice. We have had some bad luck with so many others.
Are you OT VIII? Did you do Super Power and all three L’s?
Are you in the Sea Org? How long? What is your post?
I’m New OT V and done Super Power and 2 L’s. I am a Sea Org member not a FSM at all. I’m a registrar for Flag that works with FSM’s to help them get people up the Bridge.
In CW I would recommend wither Deb Hulthen or Micheal Phillips. Both are OT VIII and super successful FSM’s. You can ask them if they have done Super Power or L’s.
Micheal Phillips 727 xxx xxxx Xxxxx@tampabay.rr.com
Deb Hulthen 727 xxx xxxx Xxxxx@verizon.net
Let me know how that works for you.
Flag Service Consultant
Hi Barbara – thank you for the data. I tried so hard to get them to call these people but after they watched the HBO Documentary “Going Clear” – they won’t pick up the phone. Should I write up a KR? So frustrating! I had a few other people stop talking to me after they read Leah Remini’s book. Sigh….sick of this!
ML and ARC – Mary
I would suggest that you put your attention on the positive. Both of these attacks were really stupid and should be ignored. I also wouldn’t assume that is why your guys went out of comm. Who is it that you are trying to handle?
Flag Service Consultant
Barbara – Hi and thanks for the really good advice. I do stay positive, by the way, no matter what but I totally get what you saying 🙂
I talked to my friends who saw Going Clear about an hour ago and unfortunately, they are now out of Scientology.
They were actually fairly new to Scientology and did not do a whole of services lot but they do have a lot of money so I was hoping they would go up the Bridge. They are Christian’s and said they will stick to their faith. I tried to tell them it does not matter if they are Christian’s – they can still do Scientology.
They said the information they saw on the documentary was very upsetting and they do not want to discuss it but that we are being lied to about many things but they would not tell me. They told me to confront it myself and just watch it and decide for myself. At least they were not trying to persuade me into leaving or something suppressive like that.
Have you seen that documentary? I am now curious so I think I am going to watch it tonight. We have HBO.
You would not know any of the people due to they were fairly new – but if they had gone to Clearwater to FLAG – I would have connected you up with them for sure. 🙂
As far as the other people that read Leah Remini’s book about Scientology – they won’t call me back so I think I will let them go. Who needs all of that entheta anyway?
Well, that is it for now. Thanks for your help Barbara. I hope you have a good week and weekend.
You have had some losses. I didn’t personally see the documentary but I was briefed on it. It was pure bad things. I wouldn’t watch it. People that believe things like that also believe that all Catholic priests are pedophiles. You can look up more data on this under freedommag.com or org or something. There is data on this there.
I would like to see you not be effect of this and know the tech of how to handle such things. Where do you live? (So I can direct you to some help)
Flag Service Consultant
Hi Barbara – Thanks for your concern. Yes, it surely is a huge loss for me. I worked so hard and long to get them in.
I am really confused so please bear with me. I mean this with a sincere heart because I want to go OT too and do Super Power and the L’s I have my heart set on it and am saving my money so that I can do it.
If you are OT – I thought that meant you are at cause and can confront and handle anything. Why would you not obnose for yourself and make up your own mind? LRH says to do that to keep your own personal integrity?
Another thing that hit me was our church has a website that is so hateful. I am embarrassed, in all honesty. Where is the love and care for humanity if we are the only ones who understand what makes people evil and can help them etc? Why the hate?
I thought we believe that all people have the right to think and speak freely and no one but God has the right to stop it? I am not sure why the need for such hateful comm out to the World. I think it makes us look bad, personally, and would take that down.
The other thing that came up for me is that Alex Gibney did many documentary’s and even did one on the Catholic Church about the priests who are pedophiles. He was nominated for several Emmy’s and is well regarded amongst his peers. What do you mean “people that believe things like that also believe that all Catholic priests are pedophiles”. I saw the documentary – and it did not portray anything except what happened that was factual. It was very well done and facts were well documented. One can’t argue with the truth.
I also watched “Going Clear” last night. Do bear with me, Barbara – I must say, it was very well done and I have some things to research now regarding our Church. I can handle what was in it too. I am not leaving yet but I will do some fact finding myself and make up my mind on my own. I think I need to talk to some members who were in for a long time and left. What happened to them? With policies such as “no entheta”, “no case on post” and other tech that prohibits free speech – no one really knows what happens to people and why they leave.
I have a right to know all and certainly can handle what ever it is. The truth will set me free. I am not so disabled that I need someone to think for me. I want to think for myself.
I highly recommend, Barbara, that you review your tech. LRH says to obnose for yourself. I am keeping my personal integrity and you should get yours back. I mean that with lots of love because I know your heart is in the right place. You should see Going Clear.
ML and ARC
Don’t write me anymore. I am blocking your address.
Flag Service Consultant
Barbara – I do appreciate your help.
I have been reviewing the PTS / SP tech.
Most of it makes sense but one should be able to use it on Scientology Organization, no? Why would that be a high crime?
Only the truth will set you free. Do your doubt formula for real and get honest and straight. One is not at cause if one is “briefed” on how things are. One must obnose for themselves and make up their own mind
Watch some You Tube videos on North Korea – they too are told what to believe.
See how that worked out for them.
Make up your own mind. Look don’t listen. LRH
I am free Barbara and can do whatever I want to do. You are trapped. I am sad for you and the other slaves.
ML and ARC – Mary
Mike Wynski says
Like El Con said, what is true for you is true. So long as it doesn’t conflict with what I tell you is true. Then I’ll declare your ass, cut all communication and send people to harass you to death.
O.T. for sure. 😉
The second-to-last email was far too “out gradient”, imho. That said, wouldn’t the majority of us have reacted in a similar way to Babs? Yes, it’s funny when you’re on the outside but personally it’s a bitter reminder of how deep the conditioning goes. More sad than anything 🙁
This is hilarious. This is PERFECT! I particularly enjoyed Barbara Dews’ use of “Love” as a complimentary close after tersely cutting comm. “Don’t write me anymore. I’m blocking your address. Love, Barbara”. Seriously, what sane person communicates this way? Its like a Mel Brooks or Woody Allen skit.
“How to confront and shatter suppression” was never an ability possessed by practically any Scientologist that I know and knew. In fact, Scientologists are much less equipped to confront life and livingness than most “Wogs” are, as Scientology is a dwindling spiral of general confront and cause level, instead of an actual road towards more participation in life activities.
Scientology insidiously deals with introversion and fear, and thus, it’s products are weaker beings, decreased confront and participation in life, fear of the future, isolation, delusions of grandeur, self-righteousness, and fixed ideas; a VERY sad state of affairs to be in.
Of course, ANY cult possesses the power to bring about those conditions; but Scientology is definitely the most perfect and insidious one. Even years!!! after getting out of the cult, and with all I have learned during the past years about cults and LRH’s methods of mind control, I found myself STILL affected by it in many unsuspected ways. All my knowledge about science, logical reasoning, general philosophy, history of religions, workable psychotherapies that are far better than ANYTHING from Scientology; have not yet counteracted all the insidious mental and spiritual effects that this cult brought upon my essence. Talking about “Undue Influence” !!!
All f the above, is the reason why I am only seeking the eradication of ALL Scientology, and do not support ANY reforming “strategies” of ANY KIND. That’s also the reason why I WON’T support ANY KIND of Scientology activity either at the CofS or the Indie field as Scientology is EQUALLY harmful on ANY context.
Stientology WILL die as any cult has, eventually; and I will celebrate the day when this insidiously destructive cult be but only a footnote on some history book.
What I’m seeing is that when Barbara realized that “Mary” was trolling her, she ended the comm cycle. Who wouldn’t? What was she supposed to do? Sometimes I mess with scammers for fun, or to get them to reveal more information about their scam or identity. There was a scammer on Facebook trying to get me to accept money. At first he got excited because I acted interested. Then I had second thoughts and told him I didn’t deserve the money and he should give it to someone else. While I was doing this I reported him to Facebook and his account was shut down while he was trying to convince me that it was ok for me to take the money.
Confronting and shattering suppression = head in the sand.
“Don’t write me anymore. I am blocking your address.
Flag Service Consultant"
"Love Barbara"? How much Love ya got, Babs?
auto signature attached by email settings or "out of PT" Barbara – (failing to confront and shatter suppression?)
Wognited and Out says
This was so interesting to see the OT, Super POWER, Scientologist become total effect.
The OT get creamed by a noobie.
The altitude if “I did Super Power” was quickly deflated by a degraded, lower level Wog / PC suffering losses.
This portrayed the arrogance of OT coupled with the cowardice of Super Power laced with the knowingness of not knowing they are in an evil cult lead by a ruthless dictator who beats people and spends the money on whatever “he” deems fit for the King of Slaves.
Barbara Dews is a fine example of just how bad Scientology is for your mind.
This is the product of wasted years, wasted years and wasted money.
Lurkers – take note. You too could end up like Barbara Dews. Total Effect and can’t think for yourself. GET OUT NOW!
Leslie Bates says
Reality is real. Reality is always there and you can understand it.
” I didn’t personally see the documentary but I was briefed on it. It was pure bad things. I wouldn’t watch it. People that believe things like that also believe that all Catholic priests are pedophiles. ”
These lines are quite fascinating. She was given the party line in a “briefing” and swallowed it whole.
First of all, it wasn’t “pure bad things.” I recall each of the interviewees stating at least one thing they got out of Scientology and liked about it.
Secondly, the likening of people that believe things like that also believe…
Simply untrue and attempting to A=A. I feel confident that of the 10 million+ people that have seen the film, the vast majority believed all or much of what they saw and a very small minority believe that all Catholic priests are pedophiles. SIMPLY AN UNTRUE A=A. An attempt to “dead agent” anyone that believed the film.
Thirdly, when I was on staff in the mid-70s in San Francisco, we had a “briefing” by the local head of the Guardian’s Office, Kathy O’Gorman (still in OSA). In 1976, she said “you may see some reports in the newspaper that FLAG has come on shore and is now operating in Clearwater, Florida. THIS IS SIMPLY UNTRUE.”
Barbara Dews was obviously lied to by someone else that probably didn’t see the film and was also lied to.
Spin, spin, spin.
The sheeple have to reconcile so many spins they hear, from the Truth Rundown, to Debbie Cook, Mike and Marty, Katie Holmes, Leah Remini, Going Clear, Ron Miscavige, et al. There is always a “briefing” to dismiss all of it.
How many such briefings can a person digest without becoming a tad suspicious?
Yea! After watching Going Clear I believe that david miscavige beats up ALL of the staff ALL of the time. Before I watched it I only thought he beat up SOME of the staff SOME of the time.
Speaking of “A=A”, it has always made me laugh that Hubbard seems to use that expression to describe the logical fallacy known as generalization. But I guess it’s the product you can expect of a mind that has consistantly failed to grasp math, as his school reports indicate.
In math, “A=A” is an important theoretical property of an arithmetic system called identity, meaning a value is equal to itself. The properties of arithmetic systems are not discussed until one has to take advanced math, which explains why Hubbard never knew about this.
In most programming languages, A=A is an assignment of the value of a variable to itself, which might make sense in certain contexts.
But these misnomers and confusions are also used for a more sinister purpose. When not examined closely, they seem to stick to concepts one can easily encounter while studying classical logics, but with a weird warped language. However, the slippery language and subtle differences can be used to justify anything, and in the hands of a skilled manipulator facing a person ignorant of true classical logics, they are an excellent gaslighting tool.
Gus Cox says
Hubbard was a garrulous storyteller. That’s pretty much it.
Pete Griffiths says
Brilliant! From, yes, I can help you, we have all the answers, to aaargh! don’t talk to me! all in a few short messages, the power of SP is greater than the OT, we have truth and love, they have lies and hate.
KAPOW!! I JUST HAD A LONG FALL BARBARA DEWS!!
I’m always amazed at how naive the nice scientologists are that try to entice me into the local morgue. They actually believe we don’t know anything about their religion and try to make it sound like a place of philanthropic self help. They start by doing all the talking hardly listening. When I ask what they are selling in their storefront it’s always we don’t sell anything, …. well we do sell a few books. With further questions (I courteously probe their own words) they start to dig deeper into liedom. The smiles drop and defenses go up and when we get to the internet (they refer me to their great sites) I say I’ve seen them but they are cheesy and self serving and I also look at what others say. Inevitably I get a “Don’t believe everything you read on the internet” Me- Of course not but I will read all and see if it rings true or not – the internet is overwhelmingly negative. “That’s all lies” How do you know? “I’ve heard” But you haven’t weighed it up for yourself? “I won’t read it as it’s rubbish” Then you haven’t heard what the world thinks about your religion. “We have a reputation for doing a lot of good in the world” Says who. Your leaders? By then they are backing well out of the over-familiar invasion of my personal space that they had weedled into, then walking away and even putting their hands over their ears. No longer nice guys as I smile and say it was lovely to talk to you. Next time you must tell me more about your personal experiences with sci.
I assume the more we plant seeds of doubt the more they will sprout after being watered by their own observations when they are not surrounded by their fellow kool-aid imbibers.
Scientology “smear” websites are the thing that initially created a huge negative impression about Scientology for me.
When I was beginning to learn about Scientology, I was totally open to all information, eager to learn more, and completely unbiased. I decided to look around the internet and see what they had to say about themselves. One of the top search results was a website they had made about Amy Scobee, with the most unflattering photos and awful things said about her. It had the opposite effect on me than they intended, so instead of causing me to dislike or distrust Amy Scobee, I immediately felt a lot of sympathy for her and felt like I wanted to defend her, as the website was really awful, and I thought, no one should be subjected to this type of ridicule. It also was very amateurish and juvenile, as if a vindictive 12 year old had made it. It caused me to form a very negative opinion of the Church of Scientology.
Why Scientology would think this type of website, that they have a habit of making against former members would ever cause anything but negative feelings towards the church is a complete mystery to me. This is the one thing that caused me to say to myself: this is a malicious and ridiculous group that I would never have anything to do with. Who is responsible for such revolting “smear” websites anyway?
TJ — I couldn’t agree more with your comments about the smear websites. They are so obvious they are an instant turn off. The example of Amy Scobee is a good one. If you are naive or a bubble dweller you could think this woman must be really evil for a church to hate her this much. But then you realise she was in the church and doing a great job for them for many years before they even noticed. What does that say about the church that it could be so easily duped? The sci-prop makes you wonder why they would they need or want to savage this woman so badly? Perhaps because she realised she’d had enough and told the truth about what the church was really up to. And you also find that the church has taken private information she has given them, spun it in the worst possible light and embellished and broadcast it. You also realise there are loads of similar examples.
Fortunately the internet keeps tabs of the other side. Scientology has clearly attracted many smart and lovable people. And they are often to first to say they were seeking something and got a bit or a lot out of it when they show up on the internet after they have left. So you listen to what Amy has to share and cannot help but conclude she is a positive and lovely person and be sympathetic to what her pathway has been. The internet allows us to contrast her with some mean spirited and hateful people (not all) who are in the church like DM, TC, TD, and the looney tunes who puke vitriol over demonstrators and those who question the church’s agenda. I can see the difference between good and evil for myself.
I can’t wait to see and hear 24/7 all-the-smear-you can stomach programming on the new sci broadcasting network. Should guarantee people tuning in will say what the hell is this? and turn it off after a couple of minutes when they realise this is the stomach-turning vitriol Miscavige pumps out from under the tax-free umbrella of a so-called religion. You just have to look at his body language to realise he is a very, very, very, very mean person, to paraphrase Tom Cruise.
It’s Hubbard’s heritage. He was obsessed about his importance and very vindicative if people uttered the slightest criticism about him. Then he put all this into policy letters and it became “the law” the condensed know how of an infallible technology to handle life. Scientologist are very predictable, the act by the book and by doing so they get further from reality every single day like old Hub did.
Joe Pendleton says
“I didn’t personally see the documentary but I was briefed on it. It was pure bad things. I wouldn’t watch it. People that believe things like that also believe ….”
Another “OT” with TREMENDOUS ability to observe and confront for herself and then make specific evaluations based on her direct observations … well, ok, not really … nothing like being “briefed” by others who observe FOR you and then tell you what your conclusions need to be … didn’t LRH write about this somewhere in the basics?
Why doesn’t $camology sell buckets of sand that attach to the heads of the sheepbots so they can always keep their heads in the sand no matter where they go.
I am NOT David Miscavige says
At just $1,000 a bucket…. hey not a bad idea
If your wondering how this mind set can come about. I’d like to present one of Hubbard’s maybe less known concepts but I still think it is very representative of the type of thinking his followers subscribe to: Knowingness. http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2009/09/scientology-and-know.html To put it simply you know something regardless of any evidence or even despite evidence. And this is considered superior to evidence based “wog” knowledge. You know because you KNOW!
MostEthical: What you say makes sense (in a senseless sort of way of course). Is knowingness where Stephen Colbert got his “truthiness” from? If so LRH was ahead of his time and I’ve got to bow to that master of circular logic.
According to Wikipedia “Truthiness is a quality characterizing a “truth” that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively “from the gut” or because it “feels right” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.
American television comedian Stephen Colbert coined the word in this meaning as the subject of a segment called “The Wørd” during the pilot episode of his political satire program The Colbert Report on October 17, 2005. By using this as part of his routine, Colbert satirized the misuse of appeal to emotion and “gut feeling” as a rhetorical device in contemporaneous socio-political discourse. He particularly applied it to U.S. President George W. Bush’s nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court and the decision to invade Iraq in 2003. Colbert later ascribed truthiness to other institutions and organizations, including Wikipedia. .
Doug Sprinkle says
That was fascinating and explains a lot. My auditor used to talk a lot about what OT’s could do despite the fact that he wasn’t even clear. He would say a thetan can know anything by deciding that they know it. Very similar to that article.
Hey, ya know what I know? David Miscavige is a f***ing mad man.
Old Surfer Dude says
What’s he mad about? Being shorter than a second grader?
Having been regged more then a few times by Babbs all I can do is LMFAO!
Mary’s last e-mail to Barbara will surely spin Barbara into sending OSA wolves out to attack Mary. But that is the de facto standard of that church. Their stock and trade. Too bad every time they help someone they want the help back with interest. Plus, Barbara Dews would RATHER have her registrar commissions than the truth. Anything to make the old fart at the top happy. Thank goodness I prefer real people over farts. 🙂
Kudos to Mary. The seeds are planted.
I had the idea this was an imagined rather than an actual comm cycle. Whether that’s the case or not, the truth regarding questions and answers are so predictable in the Co$ that this is exactly how Barbara would have responded.
After I demanded a refund from Flag, two fairly good friends came to see me to get some stuff I was storing for them. They were so stiff and fearful, almost terrified of me. Two days earlier they had been friendly and in communication.
They were just following orders from the Flag MAA who had spread some malicious lies about us.
Interesting how obedient “scientologists” are.
Simi Valley says
I Yawnalot says
The veneer of a Scientologist’s integrity is paper thin. It’s impossible to have a meaningful conversation with one of them about anything which isn’t already scripted from above. My recent efforts in that line boiled down to I simply had to “step in and take the sharp objects away from the children.”
It always amazes me to talk to a fully grown Scientologist, see the lips moving, hear the words and then come to realize the less than infant like level of workable understanding they have of the real world – I love kids and don’t want to insult them by comparing them to Scientologists but you get what I mean. No wonder Scientology has to have a dictionary of their own, their level of idiotic belief of what it takes to live among us isn’t listed elsewhere. Their little islands of “sanity” are empty voids, there’s no life in those buildings and Miscavige is buried deep in the bowels of a lifeless organisation.
It’s insidious. Meaning they mix truth with lies. They capture you with a truth and then lie to keep you captive. Pure evil.
Alissa Mower Clough says
From what I know as a protester: Confront & shatter means telling me I’m fat and ugly. And then repeating it. And repeating it. And repeating it. I’m supposed to run squealing into the woods somewhere. Now, I’m not exactly saying he’s ugly, but isn’t there this fat guy on the wall there?
Interesting email exchange! $cientologists are supposed to be able to shatter suppression and confront the truth, but instead they run from the truth — every time. (Angry gay Pope, Tory, Darth Xander and others have many videos that document this.) Instead of “dauntless, defiant, resolute”, $cientologists are “fragile, cowardly, and afraid to examine the actions of their church”.
Old Surfer Dude says
They’re a bunch of thin skinned weenies…..
Claire Swazey says
Wow!!! What a wonderful piece. This Mary individual is what a Scieno shoukd have been. She actually looked for information rather than taking people’s word for things. Ts, I know that’s not what LRH or DM wanted but this truly is someone who thinks for herself.
Dave and Barbara, Looks like you are being upbraided by the TRUTH.
roger gonnet says
Very simple for me since décades.
Cause? Well: creating an effect.
Life? Well, things animated, theoretically for “religions”, by some form of soul animateing the body. Not far from LRH’s idea.
So, when someone, or a rabbit, stumbles upon a stone or whatever, it’s “cause over life”.
Not the least discussion after that, it’s an ineptiude and and a lie by LRH to pretend more than that. Everyting including the void is or can be cause over life; the demo comes from “study tech”, yes!
Jose Chung says
Barbara Dews=======Corporate Parrot
What a lovely letter. Well done!
robert lannon says
I love this line from Barbara…..You can look up more data on this under freedommag.com or org “or something.” Way to go Mary….
Old Surfer Dude says
You can get factual data from the Ku Klux Klan regarding African Americans, too.
The end of David Miscavige’s reign is drawing to a conclusion. How fast that process takes is up for debate. However, it is the undeniable truth that the walls are closing in. How fast that occurs is up to individual speculation….the staying power of his psychopathic personality…..the rate of attrition of his unquestioning flock, etc.
I personally am of the opinion that we will see something dramatic occur in the not too distant future.
He is clearly insane and the obviousness of this is becoming clearer and clearer to those inside the bubble and outside of it. There are those who will hang on to the bitter end. Hitler had his unflinching adherents to the end and of course so will Miscavige.
The tipping point is drawing near.
My thought is that is going to be something happening reasonably soon, no idea what. And it will be something which cannot be covered up, can’t be bought by Dave and something of such magnitude that no one will go near an org or mission. I could be wrong, but that’s my feeling on it.
I agree “the tipping point is drawing near.” I also believe that in these times in history when the tipping point occurs, then a light of truth is shown on the leading tyrant(s) and he becomes shunned as someone no one wants anything else to do with if they aren’t shot by themselves or another before that.
After watching some of the info on the recent raids in Russia, I think you might be right about the tipping point. They are not being “reasonable” with $cientology’s crimes.
The last time the US government did a raid on $cientology some very serious crimes were discovered and successfully prosecuted. The number of enemies Miscavige is accruing and the number of friends who are deserting him makes him more and more vulnerable every day to someone taking a legal shot at him.
Whether it’s death by a thousand cuts or a cataclysmic event, that organization is on its way out.
Barbara is a true lifer. She will never be able to observe and think for herself. With the remaining staff members in this condition it is a certainty where the Titanic Cult of Cognitive Dissonance will end up.
I Yawnalot says
Perhaps, that’s what they mean by Cluster?
I think so. And it is also akin to Custer!
Time to circle the wagons good buddy. If you are not a Thrones watcher you might want to check out the recent War of the Bastards episode. You’re in it!
Even LRH quotes don’t get through to the robots.
Interested Party says
I’ve had many conversations with friends still in and in each case I’ve found it perfectly acceptable to say I disagree with LRH about something but hackles rise at the slightest mention of the “Leader”.
And even that word “Leader” being used to refer to him is a fairly modern thing. I don’t believe it was used by anyone I came across prior to the fluff piece in the SPTimes around ’98. Today it seems very frequent and politically correct on the inside.
Arnie Lerma says
The unwritten purpose of disconnection is to ensure that anyone who wakes up from Hubbard’s authoritative hypnosis induced trance, that they not be be able to wake up any others.
All the rest is is a shore story.
Without TRUTH there is only DELUSION
Such a conversation would never happen .. for sure .. who ever has asked for being FSM for an unknown person .. pure bullshit ..
DMSTCC (@DMSTCC) says
Where is the love
You said you’d give to me
Soon as you were free
Will it ever be
Where is the love
Regraded Being says
This is sad and pathetic. And how does Barbara reconcile “at cause over life” with “run away! run away!”? So much for being a powerful OT.
Truth is a funny business in the church. I was always of the opinion that the truth, no matter how awful and unpleasant it may be, was much preferable over an untruth. I was sorely mistaken when at my Comm Ev I was referred to The Science of Survival, the section on Handling of Truth, where LRH states (paraphrased) that the low-toned individual will forward truth to create upset and enturbulation.
This is presented in such a way that the forwarding of unpleasant truths is either aberrated or unethical, or both.
This was a definitive moment for me in Scientology. The church is not interested in truth as a philosophic concept. But, are interested in controlling or suppressing damaging truths and those who propagate them; while permitting and promoting verifiable, pleasant untruths.
This email chain, and my personal experience is proof enough that no freedom can be had while being a member of this church.
Hubbard clearly understood this and issued policy to patrol and monitor this activity. Being the consummate hypocrite, he routinely spouted out philosophic ear candy, while implementing the exact opposite in his organization.
In actual Sea Org “stats” behind the scene history, some chosen statistics resulted in very difficult to scale graphs that just showed overall negativity too blatantly and had to be thus “revised” so as not even be a downer to look at all the time.
Rescaling and redefining a post’s statistic(s) so as not to be a downer.
OSA has a slew of the “situations found” statistics, and “total inches of negative press” which have reciprocal “Situations Handled” stats and “total inches of positive press” stats.
The HCO (hiring and promotions and demotion and firing) stats sometimes had points systems, and the negative points just were on a stratospheric rise, and for some years it wasn’t allowed to “fix” or rescale or redefine the one negative points statistic for HCO, there was this stat that was always in the hundreds of negative range every week, penalty points for the hired staff quitting. Quitting staff caused major negative points, and one of the old HCO negative points statistic was just a dismal downer to calculated and record and tally up the international quitting penalty points weekly.
I wonder what the Sea Orgers are looking at in the Flag Bureaux Stats Branch weekly stats these day?
Has anyone heard of any recent defectors who have seen recent years’ Flag Bu stats, the old CIC board which had the stats broken down by Cont, and then cumulative Int tallies?
Years ago, Anne Marie Woodward, a former Data Chief/Aide in the Flag Bu who quit, she gave some great posting on Clambake when she quit.
I wonder if anyone has been that detailed in their stats breakdown of recent years, someone from the HGB someone from the Programs Aides/Chiefs area who live and breath stats weekly and know the recent 20-30 yeas of comparative stats that the Flag Bu CIC Board kept up and surely if they are using Programs Chief “tech” they ought be keeping up the stats weekly somewhat like they used to, I’d think.
I’ve also not heard of any INCOMM deserters in years either. INCOMM staff who helped with the weekly computer “stats evolution” upkeep of the whole stats system often had great knowledge of the international tallies and trends of the in house stats system.
Any new defectors from the HGB?
Old Surfer Dude says
“Don’t write me anymore. I am blocking your address.” In other words, we are scared shitless of people who have heard the truth and want to share it with us. WE HAVE THE TECH AND THAT’S ALL WE NEED IN LIFE!
Barbara Dews thinking: Holy fucking shit! Going Clear is gaining converts! Members that are in are watching it and leaving Mankind’s Only Hope! AND, they’re saying bad things about our church! We are sooooo fucked now……I wonderful if I should leave and join the Moonies?
Doug Sprinkle says
I had a similar email conversation with the bookstore officer at Cambridge. I told him his efforts to distribute the WTH books were not making a rats ass bit of difference in the real world. I also asked if Scientology was really expanding like David miscavige claims why is it everytime I drive by Denver ideal Org the parking lot is empty? I also suggested that the reason he is prohibited from looking at the internet is that perhaps church management knows that a lot of truth to the criticism of Scientology.
He replied by calling me an SP and an idiot and said he was blocking my email address. He also said my criticism is proof that Scientology is indeed making a difference in the world. I laughed my ass off.
I’d moon Barbara except my butt is so furry she couldn’t see it……. WAAUGNOOURF!
Old Surfer Dude says
You can always give your butt a perm…..
You made me laugh out loud for real. Hope you have a great weekend.
You could always shave an image of Hubbard on your arse
I Yawnalot says
Ah yes, I am blocking your address but same day there’s a flyer in your letterbox that reads, “We are hiring…”
Oh my… I need something originating from yeast!