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Something Can Be Done About It
January 26, 2018 By Mike Rinder 42 Comments
January 28, 2018 at 2:36 am
Yes, planting seeds works. See what he did there?
Little tiny bits of truth he gave her (how to you eat an elephant? One bite at a time) were just enough to ping her real reality, shake her stable datum and make her think that there might be another truth. He also gave her a new stable datum (“the Sea Org lie”) so that she could align her opinion with that.
Little seeds grow deep roots of truth.
Don’t be afraid to try it.
The person you love/like might just find their way out.
January 27, 2018 at 10:37 am
RB, spot on.
January 27, 2018 at 6:24 am
“… that would be an overt against all of your dynamics.”
Scientologists, if you ever needed a final straw to cause you to leave, it would be the moment you uttered the words, “… that would be an overt against all of your dynamics.” That would be the time to look in the mirror, wake up, and say see ya later!
January 26, 2018 at 11:39 pm
oh yes RB!
one prisoner of the cave ie scientology, escapes by seeking other knowledge and researching other viewpoints, only to be met with resistance, ie PTS/SP tech.
All of us who have escaped hubbard’s mind twist are welcome to read about the allegory of the cave.
Hubbard certainly created shadows in our minds and yet he said he was getting us free, one step at at a time, a gradient, and each step cost money.
per Hubbard, “The work was free so keep it so”
oh the rhetoric.
January 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm
A great example of pre-indoctrination against post-indoctrination. However, from what I’ve learned, she would KR him in reality.
The only value that kid will likely ever be shown from the cult was in that vehicle with mom…and even that was pathetic.
Ammo Alamo says
January 26, 2018 at 7:20 pm
Great view of the ills of the cult, and it would be ridiculous of me to call it anything else. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it’s a … rhinoceros?
The sad fact is that, for most blue-sky Scientologists, the truth about Scientology makes them want to entrench themselves further in the lies of LRH. It’s cognitive dissonance of the worst sort. You just can’t reason with people for whom the very act of being reasonable is a crime. They have to find their own way, somehow, sometime, while the hurts for which they are at least partially responsible continue to spread far and wide.
My fear is that the huge war chest of Scientology will someday be used to discover a semi-respectable course of action, a new direction for the cherch, something mostly in line with LRH but favorable enough to make the cherch look better to unsuspecting people. We would have to endure another round of years of the cult invading, controlling, and harming families and communities.
January 26, 2018 at 10:57 pm
It”s hard to admit to oneself that you’ve been duped even with the truth slapping you upside the head. We just keep planting seeds of doubt….eventually, it will root.
January 27, 2018 at 5:17 pm
That’s true, Teen. I’ve observed what you’ve described with others but its because of my own experience that I know this is true.
I had this unwillingness to admit being duped about a friend, a woman friend, back in the day. Nothing to do with Scientology. Just a girl I decided was going to be not only my BFF but my “sister”. Sounds funny, but what can I tell you, I wanted a sister. When I finally HAD to confront it, I saw that all along she’d been showing me who and what she was. I just wouldn’t look. Because that would have made me wrong! Because I had already “decided” that she was my sister, and, as my sister, she of course had to be a good, caring, honest and trustworthy person and friend. LOL! Not so much. Took me 8 years to figure out what most people did in 8 minutes.
Mark Twain nailed it. Paraphrasing because i’m too lazy to look it up: ” A person would rather be fooled than admit that he has been a fool”.
Skyler Dumbrofsky says
January 26, 2018 at 2:56 pm
To any and all FBI people who may ever read this:
It seems to me you are extremely focused on terrorists both at home and abroad.
But, don’t you realize some of the worst terrorists in this world are right within your grasp?
You would become great American heroes if you were to consider everything that people have reported about Scientology – especially the way they force people to live in poverty and squalor. If you were to get a search warrant and visit some of their prisons (which they call Rehabilitation Project Force), you will find people who are living much like those people who the Nazis imprisoned in concentration camps and then forced them all to remain in those prisons.
It would be easy for you to find so many crimes perpetrated by David Misaviage and all the people that work for him. DM organizes things so that if you ever find these terrorists engaged in crimes that range from: False Imprisonment, Unlawful Confinement, Kidnapping and many others.
These criminals may not treat their prisoners in the exact same way the Nazis treated the Jews. However, there are many other aspects of their crimes that make them just as terrible as the Nazis – specifically tearing apart families and forcing people out of their cult without any resources to deal with the modern world. People who get sick and need medical or psychiatric treatment are routinely denied those treatments and some of those people eventually die from lack of medical treatment.
For one outstanding example, review the death (some would call it murder) of Lisa McPherson here:
Please, any and all members of the FBI: these Scientology criminals are some of the worst terrorists that are operating on US soil as well as many other countries.
The families of the victims desperately need your help. Many of the rest of us plead with you to do something about this criminal conspiracy. The RICO laws will surely help you bust these criminals and give all the families they have ripped apart another chance at life.
January 26, 2018 at 10:37 pm
I’d like to believe this appeal will reach those individuals who can make a difference; however, I fear that political agenda’s get in the way of citizen protection. Well written appeal, though!
Harpoona Frittata says
January 26, 2018 at 1:17 pm
To make matters infinitely worse, even if mom decides to say nothing to cult officials about her son’s disaffection, the next time she’s forced to undergo metered interrogation, she’ll be compelled to tell all.
Then, with her confession in hand, the cult will use that leverage to exploit more resources from her, based on her delusional fear of losing her “one slim chance” for spiritual freedumb or losing her son to forced disconnection. It’s the classic double-bind, no-win, Catch-22 dilemma that sadistically evil folks, like lil davey, delight in putting others in.
If you can’t hear the direct accounts of those who’ve been used and abused as very young $ea Borg recruits, then connect their tales of abuse up with the danger facing your own son, then, at this very late juncture — when so much information about how young people are used and abused within it is readily available to all — you’re not a good mother at all…you’re a volunteer proxy recruiter for the cult, who’s required to NOT look at what happens to every young person who joins that evil cult within a cult!
Idle Morgue says
January 26, 2018 at 12:20 pm
Another excellent one – Regraded Being! I must commend you – you really hit home the truth….and if I had not been in this cult – I would have a hard time believing this happens in Scientology .but IT DOES HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE DAY and IT IS THIS CRAZY!!
January 26, 2018 at 10:39 pm
Makes me shudder to think that this is happening every day for some.
January 26, 2018 at 11:56 am
Thank you, RB. Glad I’m not there.
January 26, 2018 at 11:46 am
Well done RB. Sometimes the sunlight does get in. Selling the 2nd and 3rd generation on a life of servitude in the Sea bOrg has got to be the hardest sell of all time.
January 26, 2018 at 5:29 pm
Many of these parents are public or CL V org staff long time Still Ins. When their kids reach 13 they have a problem: public high school is Sodom; private Scientology schools are expensive. What I’ve seen ias a solution to the latter is the teen getting home schooled for a year or two and volunteering at the parent’s org, then at age 16 being permitted to quit, after which the kid either signs a staff contract or gets dumped in the Sea Org.
The parents of these kids are likely to say that their kids manifested a strong purpose to join the Sea Org from a very early age, like 2 or 3 or something. In that most of the parents were poor, having been on staff for many years, this strong purpose of their children to join the Sea Org has to be quite convenient. 3 hots and a cot for the kid with the whole track purpose, and the parents are freed up to devote all their time and money to the cult. Everybody’s happy!
January 26, 2018 at 6:56 pm
In fairness, there was one family I knew who were quite well off , who could well afford to college educate their daughter and sons, whose daughter insisted on quitting school and joining the SO. They refused to allow it until she turned 18 but they did let her drop out of high school to be on staff as an academy course supervisor at my org. She was, of her own, very, very gung ho.
One tough little cookie, back in the day, that child, even well before joining the SO , so very different in personality and manner from her parents.
Anyway, I figured she and the SO would be a perfect fit , tough cookie that she was, always making a point to lord it over us about her high purposes in life, and how she couldn’t wait to join the Sea Org, and btw, what were WE doing for the 3rd and 4th Dynamic. You know the type. But this was her natural personality, apparently. A true military type. 14 going on 48.
Anyway, apparently she didn’t cut it in the SO, despite her fervent purpose and drill sergeant demeanor. She got married in the SO. Together they lasted a year or two and theneither routed out together or were offloaded. Today they’re still married and in good cult standing so I imagine her parents forked over the freeloader debt.. Together they’re operating her family’s business now. and have a few kids, house in the ‘burbs, the whole bit. Your basic “PTS To The Middle Class” life that she used to sneer at and that the cult believes to be a kind of death.
Sometimes a rich totally supportive family and strong individual purpose aren’t enough. As Ex-SO who “let down the group” . per the cult, she and her husband are now Degraded Beings
Hope to run into her one day. “Hi! How is Sea Org life?” bwwwwwahahahahaha.
Just kidding. I’m glad she’s out. I’d only rub it in a little bit. A very little bit.
January 26, 2018 at 10:40 pm
She was certainly stripped of her presumed power quickly, wasn’t she?
Mary Kahn says
January 27, 2018 at 8:50 am
All scientology parents are different in this regard. I wanted both my kids to go to college and I didn’t push scientology on either one of them but did introduce them. This is probably why i still have one child that did not disconnect – because he did not want scientology and we (his parents) did not push it. Even when the child that did take to scientology was being recruited for the Sea Org at 17, I threw a shit fit because the people recruiting him basically kidnapped him for a night to do it so we (his parents) couldn’t intervene. I did not want him to join the Sea Org. Of course, I got a KR written on me for that and
January 27, 2018 at 5:33 pm
Kudos to you, Mary, for all you’ve shared. The kid who disconnected from you has no idea of the enormity of his offense against a sincere, honest person of good will who ALSO happens to be his loving mother. One day he will understand and my hope is that he finds a way to forgive himself. Because of course you will forgive him. Will he forgive himself, despite what will assuredly be your assurances that he should? Because at some point, we each have to acknowledge that we are who we are and that we make our own decisions and that the life we have is based on these decisions. At some point – 30, 40, 50 or even older, it no longer works to say, “Well, my parents did such and such, and if they hadn’t done such and such I would not have…or, I would have…” At some point, we each have to take responsibility for what we are, what we do and what we have. So he’ll come back, and you’ll forgive him, of course, and my hope, Mary, is that he’ll find a way to forgive himself, because without that, life isn’t worth much.
Cat W. says
January 26, 2018 at 11:09 am
The declares without declare orders are particularly creepy — just outright slander.
January 26, 2018 at 10:03 am
Dear Cartoon Jeffrey: Keep your head up and continue with what you are doing. Keep looking for yourself, and seeing what is real and what is lies. With luck, you may reconnect (if only as friends) your mom and dad, and maybe be a support to Hannah and her mom.
Still Ins: your family is your family. Never let them go. Nothing can take your eternity from you. Nothing should take your family.
January 26, 2018 at 4:24 pm
“Nothing can take your eternity from you, Nothing should take your family.”
When I first heard the “church’s” ridiculous idea that one’s eternity is in control of anyone other than the person himself, I knew the Still Ins had hit a new low of stupidity.
But, apparently, the misunderstoods know no bounds.
One’s family IS one’s eternity. An extension of oneself going forward with children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren and so on. On an immediate basis, you just can’t get more eternal that than.
This “church” is nothing short of criminal.
Mick Roberts says
January 26, 2018 at 9:18 am
“I’ll never figure out how I’m supposed to be more self determined if I can only look at or listen to stuff that the church allows.”
That’s the one thing I wish that all Scientologists would at least consider. They will never find out what’s “true for them” if they’re prevented/discouraged from even listening to anything that doesn’t conform with the preconceived notions that has been programmed into their minds by this organization.
“He’d rather believe what other people say instead of talking to his own daughter.”
That is truly sad how they program someone to listen to only them and no one else, even their closest loved ones. Hopefully more and more folks will be able to break that thought process and reconnect with the ones that care most for them and their well-being.
As always, nice job RB.
January 26, 2018 at 10:44 pm
For a free-thinker, it’s hard to wrap my head around this concept, too. Mick, to not be allowed to explore.
The relationship with their children is transit…they’ll meet up again in the next life.
January 26, 2018 at 9:17 am
In the early 1980’s I was at Flag on OT V. The steps of the level changed at least three times and I kept re-doing the level. One weekend at Flag, I had enough. My girlfriend in Canada told me about David Mayo. I boarded a plane in Clearwater and set out to meet him in California. I rented a car and drove to Santa Barbara to his org. When I got there, I talked with his assistant and got cleared for Mayo’s version of OT V. But since I was not allowed to meet Mayo personally, I flew back to Flag. When I arrived at Flag, they asked me where I was. I told the exact truth and they declared me suppressive with A-E. Since I had a “reg” cycle I went to Dave Foster. I decided to do the A-E at Flag. It took me two days of hard work to get the required dozen or so signatures. I went back on OT V and continued with it. I considered Scientology Ethics a joke ever since the mission Ethics officer was busted for exchanging sexual favors for checksheet clearance. If everyone in Scientology had this correct view of its Ethics, Miscavige would be gone.
January 26, 2018 at 10:47 pm
and yet, even with this bullshit ploy by the idiots in charge of you, you stayed to complete OTV? I know I know….I get it…just mind blowing to be reminded….
January 26, 2018 at 9:08 am
I LOL’d at the pirate’s eye patch mom wears while driving.
Great idea. 😀
And good for the boy to sow a great many seeds of doubt with his mom
January 26, 2018 at 7:30 pm
Yes, that pirate’s eye patch of hers – hilarious!
But the text wasn’t funny. Creepy Mom. Felt like giving her another eye patch, for real.
January 26, 2018 at 10:51 pm
I thought it symbolic to blindness and very appropo, though. Great cartooning..
January 27, 2018 at 3:22 am
Mom obviously has superpowers if she has stereoscopic vision with one eye blacked out. But see if scientology saves her when she rear ends a cop car at the light through inability to judge distance.
Peter Norton says
January 26, 2018 at 8:49 am
Hey, Mom, that’s just more non confront!!!
Old Surfer Dude says
January 26, 2018 at 12:05 pm
Damn right it is! Mom should be shackled and thrown into the basement.
Python Swoope says
January 26, 2018 at 8:40 am
Yes “Mom”….You have some things to sort out !
Putting non-family in front of your kids is a terrible idea …..Animals don’t even do it !!
I Yawnalot says
January 26, 2018 at 8:31 am
Good one RB. This one is like a Scientology debriefing from the kid up. Didn’t Hubbard say somewhere there’ll be a 30 year comm lag regarding Scientology. I guess the kid above proves it pretty well.
January 26, 2018 at 12:11 pm
What’s this about a 30 year comm lag? Do you have to keep quiet the entire time? Because I’m telling you I can’t keep my mouth shut for that long! I’m getting nervous just thinking about it!
January 26, 2018 at 8:12 am
Nailed it again, RB. It’s just too sad how the church turns good people against good people and will lie lie lie to do it and do it without pause or remorse. Nasty group. If one ever wants to see a demonstration of Third Party, all you have to do is look at how this church turns members against members, family against family, friends against friends.
January 26, 2018 at 2:36 pm
I know Mary! It’s incredible we stayed. How your Sammy and my Sandy and Jeremy don’t see this is evidence of the deception done to so many kind hearts. Its demos of 3P in real time. Hugs from me 🙂
January 27, 2018 at 7:00 am
xenu's son says
January 26, 2018 at 8:03 am
Thanks RB for showing what happens at the last still- in level as the cherch is decomposing.
January 26, 2018 at 12:15 pm
Man, I like that! A decomposing church! And we have front row seats! Yaba daba dooooo!
Chee Chalker says
January 26, 2018 at 8:01 am
Excellent, as always, RB!
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