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Something Can Be Done About It
May 4, 2018 By Mike Rinder 51 Comments
This is nothing more than an evil cult, run by 1or2 people who think they can bully everyone else. …SO glad to be Catholic.
Golden Era Parachute says
These Sea Org apparently are not full-intention enough. It’s sad and funny at how the legal-ese works when you sign away your willingness.
The only difference between this and ‘conscription’ is a piece of paper with a signature, probably coerced and not really full-intention. I mean, if these guys and gal could pull off full-intention on anything besides how to con each other then they would be making bright and booming Orgs instead of expensive ideal morgues.
Yes, I am being sarcastic about the full-intention thing. It’s all ridiculous.
Man, taking your hard earned money by force to buy birthday shit for the Dwarfenfuhrer.
This edition of RB makes me glad I never went into the Sea Org! Don’t intend to, either!
I will say this until I am blue in the face: LRH should have never founded the Sea Org! It was the dumbest idea he ever had and the Dwarfenfuhrer has turned it into a modern version of the Hitler Youth!
Only the Hitler Youth could have a sillier uniform.
Everything, and I do mean “EVERYTHING” that Alcoboy just said. The Sea Org to me has always been this horrible…thing…because I can’t think of the right word. Kind of like a single cancer cell that got injected into Scientology and it just grew and spread and with its “advices” and other toxic policies has pretty much killed
anything that was ever healthy.
True story: the very first time, way back in the day when I was brand new in Scientology – the first time I encountered a Sea Org member it was a guy standing there, in uniform. Not yelling, not ordering anyone around, not saying anything at all and he seemed kind of mild mannered, not angry or concerned or upset about anything. Just looking. But I had a bad reaction to him, inside. He struck up a conversation with me and I asked him what the uniform was and he told me, “I’m in the Sea Org”, and of course I asked him what that was and he told me. I was polite but inside…strange reaction! I didn’t LIKE him!
And it wasn’t because he was wearing a blue uniform which reminded me of police or something! I’ve never feared the police or had any reason to fear them! No button on police or military people at all.
So this reaction I had, knowing nothing about him, knowing nothing about the Sea Org, and with no outward reason furnished by him to dislike or distrust him, made no sense! But there it was. I can still feel it to this day!
It wasn’t until some years afterwards that I witnessed SO Missionaires yelling at the staff and and other Sea Org people ordering us (public)around like we were soldiers in their fucking platoon or something.
I saw one staff member holding in tears…just taking it…I liked this lady…God, I was so furious!
Right then I decided that the Sea Org was “the enemy”.
No kidding and I swear to God, that’s how I thought of them from that point on.
The ones who made things go WRONG. Avoid them whenever possible, without appearing to do so.
Today of course I realize that these people are, were, and always have been, under an ENORMOUS suppression.
But back then, lacking data, I just thought that nearly everyone in the Sea Org was by nature an obnoxious prick which was why they joined the SO in the first place. (There were a few exceptions.)
Aqua, yours is a perfect commentary. Thankfully, scientology was designed by a failure LRH, and all of its internal bullshit and infallible commands, with all the ridiculous dogma, of that very same failure Hubbard, have come to what scientology is today… a dead corpse with a few bacteria and a rat or two chewing on the remains.
Fuck you Miscavige, and fuck you Tom Cruise.
I think that the Sea Org was perhaps the best idea Hubbard ever had – to get what he wanted. I was just pondering this earlier today:
circa 1948 – “men are [my] slaves” affirmation
circa 1968 – men slave for Hubbard in his Sea Org, onboard his fleet of ships in the Mediterranean, under the conditions closest to chattel slavery or indentured servitude anyone has gotten away with creating since the legal abolition of slavery in Europe the 18th century – though Hubbard hoped to soon have “the orgs say what is legal or not.”
Later, when Hubbard wanted to extend his absolute control to the lower level orgs and missions, the Sea Org were just the force to carry out and implement his orders, exemplifying the sort of ruthlessness he admired and called for in Responsibilities of Leaders (“Bolivar”).
Yes, it was clearly a bad idea from the perspective of CofS members who didn’t share Hubbard’s totalitarian vision of Scientology, or perhaps even had entirely different ideals about the subject.
jere Lull (37 yrs recovering) says
“locational assist: Heck, that weren’t such a bad thing. Lots of fun to do one with your sweetie after hours, perhaps as you return to your berthing. That’s about the extent of what was legal “courting” back in the day…. Of course, some of us found ways to stretch the rules, as couples have done since forever.
When you’re “in”, the fact that seemingly ‘everyone else’ is doing it, or thinking one way, prevents most from going a different way, having divergent thoughts.
Hey, reality is agreement, as is sanity to most folks.
You’d have to be insane to not stay in lock step, go along with the flow; you can’t make waves or your leaky canoe will swamp and sink ‘way the eff up shitz creek, 😉
Too bad for you if you cause that to happen, as no one will come to the aid of such a downstat.
Nautical make-believe costumes and bitchy cruelty. That is all I think about when I think sea org.
“Sir.” Ha ha ha.
F*** me, what a gong show!
This one made my stomach churn and I threw up a little in my mouth. These poor souls – how extremely sad.
The only thing that is handling this extremely horrible feeling is remembering someone’s birthday tomorrow! You know who you are!
For your birthday, I’m going to pretend I’m like Helen Hockman from the old days, who told me she postulated the smog leaving the LA basin – and look! No smog! I’m postulating that your son will have a clue this year and leave this horrible cherch, returning to his very sane family.
oceans to you and yours Mary
So with a couple of cartons of cigarettes, a case of Vienna sausages, and a Costco sized box of TP, I could live like a king among the SeaBorg?
Yeah, every org on the planet stealing their staff members pay to purchase expensive and unneeded birthday and Christmas gifts for Miscavige was one thing that never sat well with me. I also knew how much he was paid per year, and had at one time or another scene all this perks – chefs, special food, fleet of vehicles, super expensive clothes, etc. I thought it was disgusting that he lived high off the hog while making damn sure everyone else lived like crap. It was a 100% sure sign of a corrupt leader and corrupt organization.
“It was a 100% sure sign of a corrupt leader and corrupt organization.”
As someone who lived in a 3rd Word country and saw unspeakable poverty and enormous disparity between the haves and the have nots, due to the suppressive government policies of this country, if I had known how rank and file Sea Org people subsisted , and that Miscavige lived like a prince, I would have left a long time before I actually did. In fact, it wasn’t until after I left that I found out, from the Internet, the huge disparity between how Miscavige lived and how the rank and file SO and middle management SO lived.
I do feel guilty now for disliking the SO people as I did. They were under a far worse suppression than the Class V staff, whose suppression was bad enough!
Rod M says
Just discovered this website to help people leave this cult, I made a small donation to help fund this organization. I remember how it was to leave with nothing and 150 miles from home and no resources.
Our canteen at the Delphian location was a small closet just outside the cafeteria, it had a split door where the top portion opened and the bottom stayed closed and locked. It was open for 15 minutes twice a day and if you missed it you were out of luck. I made my $20 stretch for smokes and sodas, maybe a couple of bags of chips, etc. As you say the money went quick. We did have Sundays off and a TV lounge that filled up quick. Any distraction was nice because if you’re 22 like I was it was extremely depressing. We did have one night of accepted alcohol consumption and I woke up with a hangover and one of the slightly older gals I hardly ever talked too. Ha!
Age 22, the prime of life, and being in the sea org. I am so sad about that. Glad you are out.
The utter WASTE of youth in scientology is so infuriating. I can not wait for all those young people to wake up and get the hell out. Scientology is just pure evil!
At Flag in the ’70s, it was a quick walk to stores where smokes and such were offered at market rates. I got REAL good at rolling my own Bugler and Drum ciggies, which delivered a higher the nicotine “hit” than the prepackaged ones which were quite a bit more expensive, with the downside that you could sometimes inhale a raw piece of tobacco; Not pleasant, but you can get used to almost anything, given a strong enough addiction.
I wrote this up on another page but doubt anyone saw it so here it is again folks.
I was watching an episode of Ghost Adventures on hulu, the title is “Secret Scientology Lab”. It’s about the Casa De Rosa compound being a center of operations in around 1952 for Hubbard and his Dianetics. Jeffrey Augustine stated that he and his wife Karen left scientology’s sea org in 1990 because of abuse. Jeff said scientology was a culture of punishment and abuse that Hubbard developed at this compound. Hubbard was involved with occult energies and satanic sexual rituals, and the “Babylon Working” was the basis for scientology. He was trying to create the moonchild (antichrist). Hubbard’s fundamental discovery was a power over people and mastered the works of Aleister Crowley. Crowley studied “bending entities to you will”. In Hubbards affirmations he supposedly wrote “all men shall be my slaves”, suprised? Hubbard learned that he could capture control of a persons “will” through a repetitive process like having you touch something then he would say thank you. He would have the subject repeat this process and he’d say thank you again for several hours and he found he could make people submissive to “his will” (mind control). It would appear that the auditing process may be where the “mind control” is implemented, and through repetition reinforced. If Hubbard could get you trapped he believed (in his warped mind) he could trap your spiritual energy, he thought by doing this he could satanically magnify himself as an oracle.
Here’s a Reddit synopsis of the show.
Peggy L says
I did watch that.
Just watched an older episode of Law & Order Rod M and thought it had to have been a hit at Scientology. The church? business? was something like Systematics and I think there was some purification involved. I just looked it up and here’s just the first paragraph of a review:
Thursday, May 1, 2008
Law & Order “Bogeyman” Is Nothing to Fear
You can always tell when the episode begins with a disclaimer it’s fictional that the episode intends to take a clear swipe at someone or something. Despite the disclaimer, the inference is the target is Scientology.
Robert Almblad says
I think you got it right Rod M. Those are pretty much the same “facts” I found after leaving Scientology and getting access to the Internet.
FYI, I would NEVER have believed you if you told me this when I was “in” for 40 years 1970 to 2010. I would have used any number of “thought stoppers” to prevent your message/statement from getting into my head. (“THIS GUY IS AN SP, DON’T LISTEN”) I needed these “thought stoppers” because IF I believed what you said, it would mean I would never go up the “Bridge to total freedom”.
As LRH said, you have to lie a LOT to people, if you want to control them. I just never knew he meant he would lie to ME, a true believer! So, I never knew that he was lying to me when I was “in”. And, for that matter, I never suspected Scientology was a cult until long after I left.
Thank God we all left, as soon as I left I felt a huge weight lift off of me. I heard “I told you so” from family and friends but they were glad I left too.
Old Surfer Dude says
Whew! What a story! So glad you’re out. I was a staff member at the Honolulu mission. A raiding party came in looking for new recruits. I had dropped acid, once, but that got me off the hook. Now, if you dropped acid, they still want you! Desperation has settled in.
Wrong, OSD. Sea Org standards are quite high nowadays. How many people do you know who are living, breathing, vocal, ambulatory masses of protoplasm in humanoid form?
What’s that, you say?
About 5 billion people?
Well, alright, then, but don’t forget: many are called but few are chosen.
Hey, Old Surfer Dude, did you know that scientists are now saying that LSD is actually good for you?!
Rod, the show may be a bit sensationalistic, but I think that it gets to the truth of the matter – as Hubbard’s “Affirmations” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmations_(L._Ron_Hubbard ) show – that he was going down a psychopatic dark path of rejecting conventional morality and ethics, and viewing others mostly as tools to be used for his own ends, regardless of whether he was practicing was Crowleyan occultism or his “space opera.”
The subtle clues he gives in some of his early lectures, and his sanitized but ultimately disturbing pronouncements of principle such as “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” and “fear not to hurt another in a just cause” (Scientology always implicitly being the greatest good, and a just cause), make clear that he did not just somehow later change colors and become a true humanitarian – though he may have played one for propaganda purposes.
Thanks Rod M.
More scientologists still “in” must be made aware of LRH’s background in “magick” and his evil intent on manipulating people to satisfy his bloated and narcissistic ego.
As much as I find those ghost hunter shows annoying, I think I will have to check out that episode.
It’s a shame Tubby didn’t keep “standard” withe the Crowley stuff. I think I could have enjoyed a little Sex Magick in my 20s, when I was In. Instead, he forced his peons into total chastity outside of the failed wog traditions of marriage. Heck, he didn’t have any original thoughts on the dynamic he SAID was so important. He just piled onto what suppressives had done to the institution for 50,000 or so years.
That fucking idiot LRH even sucked the fun out of sex “magick”, that at the absolute minimum might have drawn in more suckers.
What a buzzkill.
Everything that fleshy fool touched turned to shit, and Miscavige took the stool baton and ran with it to even further embarrassments of humanity. On the porch to infinity, and out back is the most fecal-ridden outhouse of scientology you have ever seen… did you bring your toothbrush?
Those little cans of Vienna Sausages are the wurst food ever. Thanks RB, I do hope that the slaves take this lesson to heart.
bite your tongue! Vienna “sausages” aren’t food, they’re bags of strange chemicals that do nasty things to your digestive tract.
“…the wurst food ever.” Clever!
Mystery Meat. I’d rather not know.
Mat Pesch says
All too real.
xenu's son says
Nice one RB.Thanks.
Madge Filpot says
Oh yeah..I remember my first 2 weeks on the ship – $10.00 ran out real soon and I had ZERO money for cigs or sodas at the canteen. I even had the treacherous thought of stealing a pack of smokes, but then figured LRH could read my mind, because I had the thought as he entered the room and then he looked straight at me. lolol. I “knew he knew” what I was thinking. Scared the poop outta me. lol. Anyway.. someone in the most ethical group on the planet stole my only good sweater from my trunk under the bunk bed in the women’s dorm within the first few days of being on the ship.. so I had nothing decent to wear to a special event…miserable I tell ya. What a hell hole that place was. Ugh
But…you kicked in your Super Powers by walking away, right?
I think more people should report their experiences in these blogs about the petty theft, cruelty, and general misery in the sea org, if only to point out exactly what you said Madge… these behaviors are from the supposed most ethical people on the planet.
I personally LOVE reading those stories.
Oh I have TONS, being that I’m an ancient one now,. lol Nothing to do with DM…but plenty from the old days and the first years at the FH.
Madge please tell your stories!!
Right with you, WAYC!
Did you ever see her wearing your sweater after it was stolen?
Never did Katherine… never did.
Peter Norton says
Just plain sad.
The sheep who are in charge of shearing the sheep. Seriously though, if someone had done that to my pay they would be needing full dentures.
I’m with you on that, Wyn.
I Yawnalot says
We’re on the same page there all right. How I accepted similar abuse while on staff astounds me. I once thought, “it’s not about the money, it’s about salvaging sanity on this planet.” How fucking wrong was that! That’s all Scientology is about – the money and the dominance over people it creates.
All of it is wrong! All of it is evil! All of it is toxic. All of it is brutal! All of it is hateful. All of it is bad. There is no redeeming value with this cult. Never has been.
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