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June 8, 2018 By Mike Rinder 80 Comments
Clearly Not Clear says
Regraded Being, this one hit me between the eyes. My sweetie stayed years after he could happily have left the cherch because I was active.
I drifted away twice and each time a program was come up with to skillfully manipulate me back. I remember an acquaintance type cherch friend who came to a party of a mutual friend. I thought she was happy to see me. In retrospect her being there was purposeful. She got me outside and did some personal sharing and I opened up about my problems with cherch management.
She ‘handled’ me most skillfully, got me a free ARCX session and other handling and got me back on lines. I was worked and didn’t know it till I was out.
You know how you never get free auditing in the cherch? Well it turns out if they think you’ll buy more bridge you just might.
I received almost an intensive of free auditing the second time I’d drifted. A most skillful, high ARC (Affinity full) and nice auditor contacted me, visited me from out of town and proposed this ‘handling’ at no charge.
I decided it couldn’t hurt. I went to the location I needed to and I liked the auditing. It got me excited about spiritual freedom again. And yup, I bought more bridge.
Meanwhile my wonderful spouse hung in there.
A couple of years later bad things happened, I got pissed and looked up ‘bad news scientology’ and five minutes later I was an ex-cult-member.
My spouse took five minutes as well of online looking. Thank you Chris Shelton, for your video talking about what a scam the Ideal Org program is. We’d always secretly thought it was nuts.
I am so grateful that my husband loved me enough to wait me out. We are both out and very happy about it.
Doug Sprinkle says
Wow that post was very enlightening Clearly not Clear. I was public at Washington DC years ago and finally told them I was done. They tried several phone calls unsuccessful to get me back. Then one day I got a call from their top auditor, I forget his name but they claimed he was the best auditor on the East Coast. He was going to be in my area (I lived hundreds of miles from DC) and offered to give me a free session. I am surprised they would go to that much effort to recover me, I was young and broke at the time.
Benjina K says
With all the pressure on Scientologists to give more and more money, presumably most are in major debt? I was just wondering what would happen if Scientologists got a huge dose of Dave Ramsey. Worlds collide…
Miss Q says
Hey. I just wanna say that you exes are cool, creative, and have a great sense of humor. I pray for your RE-connection with everyone you love.
My Inner Space says
I thought it was only “blowing” if a Sea Org member left.
Jere Lull (37 years recovering) says
If the member escapes by any means that are under his control, SOME will consider that a “blow”
Dying in an accident might also be so construed as he “pulled it in”, of course. Anything keeping you from making it go right and complete that billion-year contract(Emphasis on CON, of course) is a “blow” to the most rabid. Scientology: it’s always worse than you think….
Dan Locke says
I love the cars that all the RB Scientologists drive. One day he will give us a better look by pulling the camera further back. But, right now they all look like they are either late 50’s model Austins or 70’s Saabs. But that’s not quite right. Anyone have a better guess?
John Doe says
Any old car driven by people who are heavily in debt and can’t get a newer one.
The middle seat with headrest throws me off.
That’s my car. It’s in the back seat. The headrest stays in the car, on the floor. It’s a 2008 Ford Escape, if you’re wondering.
Regraded Being is not wrong about the order to watch scientology network, my scientology contact was grumbling about this very fact recently!
Chee Chalker says
“You’ve always been my stable datum”
Is that like being someone’s soulmate?
I Yawnalot says
Ah yes, the “I’m supposed to do syndrome” in life. Don’t you just love the way cults smear it all over their… members, ah victims, followers… geezers, what do you call a cultie these days? If only one could reboot the human mind back to common sense. I guess the real die hard culties never had common sense in the first place. Just to have some whacko command structure group enforce who you can and can’t be friends with… oh my, just what sort of technology does Scientology say it has again?
Good one RB.
xenu's son says
Good one RB,
Thanks for giving people like me (family disconnected ) a front seat on the internal meltdown.Many loved ones will be reconnected soon.
What torture and anguish it must be to pretend that you are good scientologist. And let’s face it, most scientologists are just pretending these days.
Not much of a religion there. Feeling alone and hopeless even with your own spouse and family… it could be renamed “Loneliness-ology”.
That’s a very sad one this week, RB.
Peter Norton says
Why is it that the women seem to be the most sane in scio marriages? Good to see that RB has it down cold! (Yeah, my my marriage, too! And we’re both long out! LOL)
Old Surfer Dude says
Because women are smarter than men?
Tom Cruise would not agree with you, but KIrstie Alley sure would. You know… upon reflection, those two would make an Ideal couple.
Two heads are not always better than one.
More like 4.
I edged in that opinion also, that the female Sea Org leaders were the best (Janis, Debbie Cook, I liked Jeannie Sonnenfeld, I liked Bitty, just down the line, almost all Sea Org leaders going back and back, even Hana W, Anne Tasket, any of them would have been better replacements for Miscavige; Chris Stevens, and her mom who was Staff Captain for a bit, and even Diana was a decent leader.).
The subject is unworthy of all their talent, though.
I'm Dee Dee says
“See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis and only enough blood to run one at a time.”
That’s very funny!
Leave it to comedian Robin Williams to even THINK of something like that. I miss that man every day….he was a natural born comic…..words just poured out of him…..
Thank you dear friend Aqua!
Peter, not to negate your observations, but from what I’ve observed its the Scientology women who are more nuts than the men. especially the types who don’t work, and/or ” work” in their husband’s business and its his profession and income and hard work that supports the family. The type of women whose husbands or families are paying for their OT levels and who don’t do much else besides getting audited or being on course or otherwise involved in org activities.. HE is out in the world. He’s going to work. He is living life. She’s not. She’s removed from reality yet has a great deal of influence over him. From what I’ve observed, the most fearful, robotic, fanatically obedient cult creatures have been women. In fairness, I don’t think this is intrinsically a gender thing but a factor of which spouse is carrying the financial responsibility for the family. From what I’ve seen, the breadwinner of the family is ALWAYS the sane one and the other spouse the fanatic nutjob..
I think Jenny Linson should get an award for best performance in a documentary for her stunning performance at LAX. The makeup was perfect! Now that’s what I call a nutcase!
Until she is up the bridge and discovers she has been living with a off/purpose dull SP.
Right! At which point she dumps the spouse who paid for her Bridge, gets everything she can from him in the divorce, and then, at least from what I’ve seen, either throws most of that money to the cult OR, with full cult approval (naturally) marries someone else, and supports HIM. LOL! Good luck to these ladies! Good luck to these females “of a certain age” who used up and spit out their spouses because the cult told them to! Good luck to them because, truly they are in dire need of luck. An impeccable UTR source who’s mid OTVII told me Flog is crawling with them..
LIke your mode of thought Aqua, makes sense.
Thanks, Yawn. Always nice to get a validation, but what I wrote was just what I’ve observed., i.e., whosoever is the Scientology spouse whose expertise supports the family, provides the donations in the 10s of thousands, supports the parasitic “kids” (pushing 30 or beyond) on Class V staff or otherwise “working” sporadically in the family business, and pays in the hundreds of thousands for the OTHER spouse to go OT (because the other spouse has plenty of time to be on course, get audited, volunteer and go to Flog) – whichever spouse is the one making ALL of this happen, by “working a wog job” – THIS spouse is always, always the saner one. Much saner, from what I’ve seen. And the irony is that this SANE one of the two is also HUMBLE due to being convinced of being the LESSER being, the woggier of the two, the lesser being, as it were, despite the fact that EVERYTHING happening in the cult is due to this very “wogginess”. Blows my mind. It always did although for years when in I kept silent about it. Whenever I observid this would think, : “WHO is the OT in this family, really?”
Mary Kahn says
“Hey wait a minute. He owes me money.” lol
It’s usually the one that gets declared that scientologists owe money to but whatever the “Flow” they will not get their money back. I have many stories of being owed money by scientologists (the most ethical beings on the planet).
On another note, I have a friend who has reported to me that she is getting mail now with the emphasis in the letters being on Scientology Media Network and her views, wins, questions. I guess this is going to become the new “Why” as to why the orgs are not expanding. They are, after all, Ideal; so who are the fuck-ups that are preventing the millions from coming in. It’s all the stupid scientologists public and staff that need to watch and word clear SMP.
Great post, Mary.
I know. Let’s call Ted and Alice!
They’re with Bob and Carol right now.
What about Bob & Carol?
they’re with Ted and Alice. Pay attention :3
I see the ‘how to have a good marriage’ and ‘communications course’ have done wonders for these folks. I love the ‘he can’t quit, he owes me money’ meme. Well done RB.
Excellent, RB! Love it.
It looks like they’re gonna blow.
I’m still waiting for them to realize they’ve been had and they walk out in mass.
Peggy L says
That would be sweet otherles & Old Surfer Dude. Maybe they should become union! Those guys don’t play around.
So tired of ending up prostrate
And all of those damn little star-rates!
We got on this blog
Befriending good wogs
And now we’re some brand new apostates!
Catchy limerick, Visitor!
How about an encore?
There once was a boy named Miscavige
Whose brain was as bright as a cabbage
With big plans for SuMP
He took a big dump
With folks leaving faster than rabbits
Bravo and Touche! I’ll second that emotion!
Absolutely PERFECT RB!!
LOL. I was expecting another scene with each of them at their own computers. One showing Mike Rinder’s Blog and another showing Tony Ortega’s Underground Bunker. Add in a caption “Isn’t this great Honey we finally get the “Truth Revealed” and we don’t even have to spend time locked up on that fiberglass infected Freewinds. Flying above the radar. Now that is Freedom.
John McMaster says
I just wanted to comment on John McMaster’s historical commentary over on Tony Ortega’s blog. Did you know Ron had a wealthy benefactor buy St. Hill for him? And then Ron turned around and sold the property to AOSH for 7 times the money? It turned out he didn’t creak his credit after all.
Tommy J says
You’re supposed to keep on driving buddy…and don’t look back!
They can take your money, but they’ll never take….YOUR FREEDOM!!!!! ALBA GU BRA!!!!
You rock RB!! Once again the nail has been introduced to the hammer.
Let me be the first to introduce You to the reality of yer new SuMP thingy. Before I get too far into it, let me just comment on how far out in left field You have gotten yerself over this stupid scam. If you look back at where you were a couple years ago (that would be first base Dave), well ya can’t even see it on the horizon from where you are good buddy.
But here is the deal Dave. You have these stupid Tune In (and drop out) Cards to help marks find yer stuff on the channel like meet a cultologist and that sort of boring shit that everyone knows is a lie anyway. But why have you not included the best of the best like yer number three man Tommy the Cruiser? And besides him, you can toss in John T. and yer newest Oh Tea Ate Ms. Krusty A. They all otta be on yer show somewhere. They would at least draw a crown without You having to brandish yer wierd brand of ethics on staff to force them to watch.
And don’t forget Jenna and Ms. Bart Simpson either. They would draw some interest from yer dwindling flock, especially if you threw in Mr. Ed as well! (No, I don’t mean Ed Parkin Dave. He would put everyone to sleep in a heartbeat. I’m talkin the horse. The one Jenna likes.
I really enjoy your letters to DM. Does he ever write back to you? 🙂 If not, maybe he’s just shy.
Also the Tommy Davis “I’m angry, really angry” video should help the ratings, as violence, even if veiled is a well surveyed button. Sheesh Dave, do I have to do all your thinking for you? What say we get them stats up good buddy!
What newcomer said…in spades.
“‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
Take heed Miscavige, take heed.
DM is culturally illiterate. He wouldn’t get the reference.
That’s right, dwarf boy! You should probably check over your shoulder every so often.
Good One, RB!
Ugh. OT Committees…
I went to ONE meeting. What a dismal, oxygen-starved group that was.
What’s so demoralizing about attending OT Committee is that they constantly have to put a brave face on it, pretending everything is unprecidentedly great while trying not to hear the whispering in their heart of hearts that things are bad and getting worse.
“…they constantly have to put a brave face on it, pretending everything is unprecidentedly great…”
There’s a line you can cross between tactful reserve, politeness, and not hurting someone’s feelings about things that are really not fundamental issues – being a good sport about things that don’t really matter AKA “the small stuff” in a relationship of any kind.
LIVING a lie. Constant pretense to others and themselves about something really important.
The former, I believe, is necessary to some degree or another to get along, year in, year out, with ANYBODY.
The latter – well, I can’t think of a better way to make yourself sick. I mean literally, physically ill with a serious disease.
No wonder so many upper level OTs have been unhealthy. All the constant lying, constant pretending, all the time.
I’m no angel but I could never live like that, live a lie like that with someone or with a group, year in and year out. I don’t know how they do it. Seriously..
Good reply, Aqua, thanks. And I agree.
It’s the start of the landslide. Wouldn’t want to be a cult member nowadays.
Rick Pyle says
I suppose if you throw a box of WTH pamphlets in the way of an oncoming lava flow that might buy a poor homeowner an extra few seconds!
That long? I can make it out.
dr mac says
The last OTC I attended I looked down the agenda and there were no less than six line items relating to fund raisers, some of which were fund raisers to fund a future fundraiser. There went another scn activity I no longer wanted anything to do with.
“Fund raisers to fund a future fundraiser.” That makes me laugh, and cry. But mostly laugh.
Like I’ve said, it’s fun to make fun of them! And…it’s so easy!
CO$ Money Doc says
“Now what am I supposed to do?” You could start by getting a clue, pal…
Chris Mann says
“The upper ten percent of the upper ten percent”. That sounds important.
Lol! Exactly! Why not say “the 1%”?
Damn right it does! And that’s important!
Cat W. says
“The upper ten percent of the upper ten percent”.
Why don’t they just say the upper one percent?
Decide for yourself what your life will be, or someone else will do it for you.
I’ll still remain a surfer.
Alex de Valera says
When one quits the cult of greed, family parties, good restaurants, sports, trips to Venice and plenty of other things become possible.
Alex, that happened to me. When you leave, it’s a whole new world! And you posters know what I’m talking about! When I left the Honolulu mission, never to return, I had the biggest smile on my face EVER!
What was your breaking point, if you don’t mind my asking. I know you were staff, not sea arrghh, but is staff eligible for RPF and was that it?
Yes, life awaits, and nothing is over until its over, and Planet Earth is a wondrous, huge, beautiful playpen – in no way it is a prison as Co$ teaches. Its the cherch that’s the prison!
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