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July 13, 2018 By Mike Rinder 105 Comments
Xenu's Son says
July 14, 2018 at 3:57 am
Thanks RB for giving disconnected from people like me a boots on the ground feel of the cult’s implosion.
July 14, 2018 at 12:37 am
Its a beautiful summer night and dinner at a sidewalk cafe was fine. We come back but before turning in my Rinder addiction flares up. I need a fix before going to sleep. Like all addicts I am compelled to lie.. so I gabble something about having to check my email for a bit…important business….just checking on something important that I left mid-cycle before dinner. I get a nod and an eye roll. He knows.
This is now quite serious. What are we going to do when the cult folds? Or maybe I should just speak (read: whine and plead) for myself. Something will have to be done about this!!!!!
Mike, when the time comes that you decide your work is done here, if you would kindly appoint someone to wean us away…gently. Cold turkey would be…too cruel…
OK, that’s all. Have a great weekend, everyone!
Ann Davis says
July 14, 2018 at 10:29 am
Aqua I thought it was just me! Lol. 24/7 I think about it.
July 14, 2018 at 10:50 am
Off off topic, or maybe somewhat on topic:
I hope Leah and crew contact Pat Broeker, and get Pat Broeker onto the show.
That would be MEGA historical to get Pat Broeker to surface, ON the Leah Aftermath show!!!!!
THAT would get some attention and make some big history!
But mainly, with the strength of having Leah do this show, I think it fitting that Pat Broeker come out now and take advantage of the atmosphere that Leah and crew and Mike Rinder have brought about! (and all the other ex’s books, which pricelessly are to me, a DIY ex members’ history project).
Pat Broeker, please contact Leah’s show and crew, and take advantage of this current time in history to tell your story!
July 13, 2018 at 8:48 pm
RB, you got it spot on today! Guy reports entheta in the org and staff want to interogate HIM!
Kind of sounds like……..
DEVOUT NAZI: My Fuhrer! My Fuhrer! A group of Wehrmacht generals are plotting to kill you!
HITLER: And just HOW did you find out about this?
Sheesh! Try to help your leader and it’s off to the firing squad.
Sounds a lot like Scientology.
I Yawnalot says
July 13, 2018 at 6:38 pm
The most suspicious thing to a Scientologist is another one in good standing apparently. Blaming people like Mike, Leah et al is simply just too “out there,” and how you “know” about them is of extreme interest, since everyone in Scientology is forced to wear an Ethics Officer’s hat at all times. It is soooooo taboo to talk about your net or information sources and activities plus anyone you know who isn’t in good standing. The Scientology bubble is De-evolving into a tighter and tighter prison, & like Sgt Shultz use to say – “I know nothing!” is their final solution.
Wish they’d hurry up and just declare everyone, then we might get some family back.
July 14, 2018 at 12:56 am
“…De-volving into a tighter and tighter prison…”
Yes! And because they’re effectively trapped in this tighter and tighter “prison of belief” (thank you Lawrence Wright for that brilliant phrase) as well as largely forbidden to communicate honestly with non-Scientologists, and because they KNOW, irrespective of how they pretend not to, that the cult is shrinking before their eyes, they huddel tightly together yet peer suspiciously at one another…”Is it you? Are you pretending to be one of us while on the Dark Side doing Scientology in?” Its amazing. What a script this would make!
July 13, 2018 at 6:20 pm
If Rick would just give up his ^#^&%* crimes then OSA could find out who’s spreading Black PR in the Org! It’s 1.1 dilettantes like Rick that force we in RTC remain vigilant in always locating the hidden suppressives in the Church who think they’re so innocent and yet they destructive rumor-mongering destroys Scientology organizations. The Ricks of the world must be stopped! Keep sending in your KR’s to we in RTC.
July 13, 2018 at 8:16 pm
Old Surfer Dude says
July 13, 2018 at 8:42 pm
MJM, pumping Sieg Heil through the speakers should wake those suckers up.
July 15, 2018 at 5:15 pm
Or playing the Horst Wessel song which, in this case, would be far more appropriate.
Mick Roberts says
July 13, 2018 at 9:18 pm
Plead the 5th Rick! And keep rumor-mongering!
Ms. B. Haven says
July 13, 2018 at 11:13 pm
I agree that Rick should give up his O/Ws so that OSA will have an easier time of it when it comes to handling the masses of out-KSW panty-waist dilettantes who are harboring and cultivating suppression with every withheld Knowledge Report. Besides, if Rick were to cough up all that shit he has been withholding, he would feel a lot better and have a foolproof path laid out for him to go up the Bridge to Total Freedom thereby securing his place on the front porch of eternity.
But, it’s not just the Ricks of the world that are the problem. There are lots of Ricks out there in many different guises. The worst are the celebrity and ‘OT’ Ricks. If OSA were to look into that wretched ‘other fish to fry’ group, they would surely have their hands full. Just think of the money that could be brought into the Church and IAS with sizable donations made by these loafing Ms. Pattycakes as they work their way through yet another set of Lowers. I even found a link describing their heinous crimes and off policyness.
July 13, 2018 at 4:34 pm
All Tiffany needs is a trench coat and sunglasses while she gets the guy to sit miserably at a square table with a bare lightbulb on a wire hanging down over them.
July 15, 2018 at 8:34 am
I want to see Tiffany say something like:
“Vee haff vays uff makink you tahk!”
July 15, 2018 at 7:53 pm
Cat Daddy says
July 13, 2018 at 4:30 pm
Sea Org Members are just indoctrinated, do not blame them.
July 13, 2018 at 8:20 pm
What a bunch of gobbledegook. It’s sometimes hard to believe I fell for all that Hubbard horseshit.
July 13, 2018 at 10:34 pm
You are giving horseshit a bad name! Stop it !
Jere Lull (37 years recovering) says
July 13, 2018 at 4:27 pm
IMO, “TIFFANY” is the one attacking from within.
July 13, 2018 at 4:25 pm
Typical shoot-the-messenger mentality. They’re so scared of any bad news, they RUN at the first inkling of possible entheta. Way to CONFRONT and SHATTER suppression, guys.
July 13, 2018 at 4:19 pm
That “Tiffany” is so true to form: When an external threat is reported, the reporter is grilled as if he’s wrong for even noticing a threat exists; and even though hissuggested org actions are dead on-source, he’s still made wrong. Thus will it ever be as they aren’t allowed to think for themselves if that’s not in their ‘hat’. AND the recipient will never act on the intel as it was reported by a wrong source.
Rick Pyle says
July 13, 2018 at 4:06 pm
The snake is now eating its own tale at an even quicker pace! Perfect!
July 13, 2018 at 3:06 pm
The fascistic Sea Org Witch pretending she wants to “help”: the inevitable cigarette.
Most annoying is the seeming inability to stay on point and address a simple question. The thing is, though, that its not an inability. but a deliberate communication dodge. They’re trained to do this. And if you show annoyance that your question and your point is being ignored, they GOT you. I learned this the hard way.
So I learned, when observing SO people or any staff doing this, to do it back to them. Change the subject back at them and piss THEM off because what THEY wanted answered and addressed was being ignored.
Or better yet just politely make some excuse and end cycle.
The Sea Ogres were real good at creating antagonism. They had that really down.
July 13, 2018 at 8:11 pm
Once upon a time we played the Org game
Where the god was Thursday before two
Remember how we wasted all the hours
Looking up those mind numbing MUs
Those were the days my friend
We thought they’d never end
We’d stay on course forever and a day
Thought we were free to choose
But always bound to lose
We were deceived and surely led astray
La la la la…
July 13, 2018 at 3:04 pm
Oh this is a good one RB. Scientologists turning against each other and cannibalizing one another is just a beautiful thing. It sucks to be them, however.
July 13, 2018 at 4:43 pm
I know! Isn’t it great? I hope they consume each other.
July 13, 2018 at 2:23 pm
LOL. In the Church everything that comes out of your mouth is a sign of disaffection that needs investigation. That’s really only a slight exaggeration. One time I had just returned home from oversea – a 20 hour flight that and another 90 minutes ground travel arriving at midnight. Early the next morning, jet lagged and exhausted, I got a phone call from the local org HCO I&R sternly ordering me to report immediately because one of my friends had supposedly named me as a PTS item in an ethics interview. I explained I had just arrived home from overseas and was physically exhausted. She didn’t care and started threatening me with ethics actions. I said no, hung up, called my friend and asked him what the hell he said about me. Turns out the mention of my name had nothing to do with PTSness, disaffection or anything. He was in the org at the time and went to the I&R and clarified the errors in the report. The I&R called me back to tell me it had been cleared up, but stillasked me to come to the org when I could, which I finally did a week later, and she still questioned me on what I had said to my friend, which was that the IAS had not been originated by LRH. I told her the IAS had not been originated by LRH, nor had the amount of the membership fee, and that’s why I said it. It was a courtesy call on my part and last time I showed up there.
July 13, 2018 at 1:38 pm
I’m so glad about Davy
Getting hit by all the SPs
I’m so glad about Davy
Losing big with Scio TV
I’m feeling mellow yellow (Quite rightly)
I’m feeling mellow yellow (Quite rightly)
I’m feeling mellow yellow
Looking forward to lawsuits
To stop the cult eventually
Looking forward to lawsuits
Bringing Davy to his knees
Losing ill gained tax exemption
Is gonna make Miscavige crazed
Losing all that tax exemption
Is bound to be the very next phase
July 13, 2018 at 1:07 pm
I’m always amazed at RB’s grasp of ironic humor. He nails it every time! I love the cigarette on her. LOL
Jaye R says
July 13, 2018 at 12:59 pm
Congratulations to Leah and Mike for their SECOND Emmy nom! We love you and so does Hollywood! You two rock!
July 13, 2018 at 4:45 pm
Yes they do! Leah & Mike are kicking ass and taking names! I wonder what the dwarf thinks…
July 13, 2018 at 6:07 pm
Hip – hip ………………..
July 15, 2018 at 8:36 am
Uh, let’s not go there.
Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht says
July 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm
“When did you stop beating your wife, Rick?”
July 13, 2018 at 12:43 pm
It just isn’t a proper cult without a Geheime Staatspolizei type of mentality.
July 13, 2018 at 4:47 pm
I give up. What the Hell did you say?
July 13, 2018 at 8:43 pm
He means Gestapo.
July 13, 2018 at 12:40 pm
You rock RB!
Any clues starting to float to the surface in that cesspool brain pan of yers?
No? ……………. Didn’t think so. You are hopeless. OSA is frickin totally ineffective and Laura is closing in on cutting the rot out of yer cult, which of course leaves very, very little remaining.
What is left is being hammered by Mike and Leah and I think I’ll help them out on that one.
So Dave, things are about to get way worse!
July 13, 2018 at 12:23 pm
“Let me help you…”
Translates very well into, it is time to shut up and run.
July 13, 2018 at 2:03 pm
‘Let me help you’= You’re Fucked.
July 13, 2018 at 3:14 pm
So true. “Let me help you…nail your own ass”. God, I had such a bad reaction to this group, right from the beginning.
July 13, 2018 at 4:53 pm
Which is why no one is going into any of the Idle Morgues. Maybe a few old timers, but, that’s it. No matter what the dwarf says, the cult is melting, melting, like the wicked witch of the west.
July 15, 2018 at 8:27 pm
“…oh, what a world, what a world…”
July 13, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Most of the time I like that. From my employer or religion, I’ll pass.
July 13, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Trust me, I’m a religious professional.
July 13, 2018 at 8:45 pm
July 13, 2018 at 9:04 pm
Right up there with the adult entertainment professional.
July 15, 2018 at 5:14 pm
What happens when the two of them get together?
Cassandra Collins says
July 13, 2018 at 2:46 pm
Like the time I was told, “We heard you’ve become disaffected and we’ve looked through your folders and found some auditing errors that could be the cause. Come in and we’ll get that sorted out. We know you asked for help several times regarding an issue you had and you never got that help. So come in now and we’ll clear it up and get you back on the bridge and winning again.”
July 13, 2018 at 3:17 pm
“So come in now and we’ll clear it up and get you back on the bridge and winning again”, sssssighed the sssssnake.
July 13, 2018 at 4:55 pm
Yeah, yeah, dats da ticket.
July 13, 2018 at 5:43 pm
You mean $$$$$$ighed the $$$$$$$snake!
July 14, 2018 at 1:09 am
Ha ha! Ooooh, yeah 🙂
Marie guerin says
July 13, 2018 at 12:21 pm
” tell me everything or I might not be able to help you”
How this phrase is not a huge red flag in the context of this church , is amazing.
Nobody seem to ask “help with what”?
Instead it sets off all the fears , if ethics wants to help you are in deep shit.
All your cartoons are amazing RB.
July 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm
Questions they can’t or won’t answer, so YOU need help! That’s rich!
Yep, that’s what I experienced in the end too. It would infuriate me but I’d cover up my irritation and impatience and answer calmly, trying to get them back ON POINT. I would FORCE myself not to lose it with them.
But no go. I would keep getting these offers of “help”, to which everything spontaneous in my nature was
urging me to react with perfect truth and no tact, “Are you CRAZY? I ask you a perfectly legitimate simple question and you dodge answering it and tell me I need help? YOU’re the one who needs help, you moron!”
” ask you a perfectly legitimate simple question ” and run into a buzz saw:
Another perfectly legitimate simple question or two:
“Where’s Shelly?” “isn’t she still COB’s wife?”
July 13, 2018 at 8:18 pm
Really!! Where is Shelly? Why don’t those still in want to know if she’s ok?
July 13, 2018 at 9:06 pm
“I never had a wife.”
Jens TINGLEFF says
July 13, 2018 at 11:59 am
Well, I laughed. But then again, I was never in…
Question for the Under The Radar readers: Maybe more people are Under The Radar than you think, and you could all just leave and have good laugh together (without filling out KRs)?
July 13, 2018 at 1:04 pm
I remember reading a story somewhere that several members of the same family had, unknown to their other family members, all contacted a well known ex and critic (don’t know who).
Said ex/critic then set up a meeting of all members and appeared as the last one, then explaining that all members knew him.
Needless to say the whole family right then decided to get out.
Well, if it’s not a true story, then at least it is a very nice one.
What’s true for me is true for me and all that… 😉
July 13, 2018 at 11:43 am
RB, this is a very timely and auspicious cartoon today. The knowledge report and snitch culture that scientology is so well known for has given the cult recognition in the mainstream media. I was listening to Terry Gross interview Gabriel Sherman on yesterday’s Fresh Air episode (https://www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628250994/journalist-sees-almost-no-daylight-between-fox-news-and-white-house-agendas). Sherman was talking about the Trump Whitehouse’s culture of fear as they attempt to stop leaks from within by hiring Fox’s Bill Strong to come in as an enforcer as deputy chief of staff for communications. Give a listen at 18:43 as the cult gets its due in a very casual statement describing extreme measures that are in place in very high places of the US government.
If Trump really wanted to “make things go right” he should hire some OSA goons to take care of business for him. Unfortunately though, from what I hear, OSA is a bit short handed these days and they also have those annoying billion year contracts that they can’t get out of. If Miscavige were smart, he would outsource his OSA operatives and they would get a handsome salary that they could then ‘donate’ back to the cult. Of course, Trump would have to be able to see through the fake news the cult offers up. Their claims of straight up and vertical everything, unprecedented expansion, 5.4x, 47x, blah, blah, blah x, St. Hill sized this, St. Hill sized that, etc. don’t hold up to any scrutiny whatsoever. In reality the cult is just plain ‘downstat’. OSA is especially ‘downstat’ but if they were able to get together with the Trump crowd it would be a match made in hell. Birds of a feather…
July 13, 2018 at 3:35 pm
Ms. B, the cult is already cozy with this wretched administration. Proof of this is on the internet. As for the rest, here’s my hunch for which I have no proof: Trump’s tactics are right out of the cult’s playbook. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he were being covertly advised by OSA.
July 13, 2018 at 4:03 pm
And the conspiracy theory rears its ugly head again.
July 13, 2018 at 11:17 pm
Not any kind of theory, actually. As I already mentioned twice, it is my own hunch, or opinion, if you prefer, with no proof at all. And I don’t get my news from television. Nevertheless, if it makes you happy feel free to consider it conspiratorial, a conviction leaping unbidden from the murky recesses of Aquamarine’s dangerously liberal, CNN- saturated mind 🙂
July 14, 2018 at 11:05 am
I gave myself a chuckle when we watched trump and the Queen. He stepped in front and ‘hogged’ the scene. My better one asked if trump’s people has advised him on protocol and respect.
My reply: They assuredly did explain protocol and respect to him, probably more than once; but they could not UNDERSTAND protocol and respect FOR him.
Jim, elect a clown: get a circus. Just another day under the Big Tent with President Bozo. And that’s the positive news.
And fine, pile on, those of you who are compelled to defend and excuse this man, because he is so maligned by the MSM! He NEVER gets a break from “the enemy of the people” and it is just so unfair!
Just like the Church of Scientology never gets any good press from the suppressive, merchant of chaos media, its just nonstop bash, bash bash while all poor maligned Co$ is doing are good works, working their guts out out 24/7 to make the planet great again 🙂
July 15, 2018 at 7:10 pm
FWIW I voted for trump, not because I like him but because I liked clinton less. My moniker for him is: Disrupter in Chief
July 13, 2018 at 4:22 pm
And btw, if this hunch of mine, a personal hunch I’ve shared for which I acknowledge I have no proof, rankles some politically right-leaning people here. let me point out that the Clinton administration was cozy with Scientology back in the 90s when John Travolta played a Clinton-like character in “Primary Colors” and when Clinton helped Tom Cruise with a problem the cult was experiencing at that time.with Germany. Google is your friend as the saying goes.
July 14, 2018 at 8:37 am
Fortunately for us Aqua (and unfortunately for the CoS) they haven’t had any real lines of communication into that part of gov’t (the PotUS) since the Clinton Admin. Clinton couldn’t get enough of Hollyweird celebs.
July 15, 2018 at 5:31 pm
Quite true, what you say, Wynski.
Let me share some more data concerning OSA, the Co$ and the White House:
I attended the DC M’Org’s Idle Opening back in September of 2009.
At that event it was OPENLY stated (by I forget whom ) that that building was purchased because of its close proximity to the White House. (It might have been the E/D who stated this in her little speech once Miscavige yanked the ribbon.) Anyway, it was understood that this m’orgs physical proximity to the White House (only several blocks away) was no ACCIDENT and a deciding factor as re Co$’s purchanse of it, and that Co$’s intent to influence the White House was an important purpose in the “Ideal Scene” for DC M’org AND for Scientology. Obama was President at that time.
In brief, Co$ influencing the White House transcends politics. Its apparent to me that the cult could care less about politics and is only EVER seeking an “In” with those in power, however getting a comm line can be obtained, and with whomever, with the party affiliation of those in power not important at all to the cult. That’s just my opinion.
July 13, 2018 at 7:36 pm
These tactics are universal for all tyrannical groups. Scientology didn’t invent them. All the psychos do the same thing.
July 14, 2018 at 2:19 am
The only time I have ever been worried about slipping back into cultic ways is when observing the US political shit show. It’s profoundly uncomfortable in its familiarity. On both sides of the spectrum. It’s hard not to get involved. If you protest the appeals to emotion and totalitarian thinking of some on the left, you get accused of being an “alt right” racist. If you call out Trump’s lies or if you question a particular policy, you get accused of being a “commie” and an “SJW snowflake”. No one seems to know where the middle ground is anymore and that’s worrying. It’s almost the same here in Blighty with the whole Brexit pantomime. As much as I love a heated debate, I find I have to step back for fear of falling in to those dark, murky and oh so familiar depths.
July 14, 2018 at 11:09 am
The problem mwetern is that the US gov’t isn’t built on “middle ground”. That is an irrelevant term when it comes to US politics. It is built on the US Const. Either those in power follow it or, they violate. Andin thaat, they are right or wrong. Study that document (in light of it being written for the most part in the 18th century (using THOSE definitions) and compare to what those on the right or left DO.
July 15, 2018 at 5:33 pm
Smart, Wynski. Too bad too many Americans cannot or will not do this.
July 15, 2018 at 7:13 pm
I second your comment.
July 13, 2018 at 11:40 am
I was just thinking this morning that maybe, perhaps, I hope??? the tide is turning. There have got to be more people who are out pushing against David Miscavige than there in pushing with him by now. You can only beat a horse so long before it lays down and gives up.
David Miscavige may have his finger on lots of money, but he does not have friends. He either beats someone, physically or mentally, into submission or pays them to do his bidding.
He has annihilated any possible friendship he ever had (if he ever had any) and anyone who leaves has a reason to dislike him in particular.
Even his pet attorneys will run like rats from a sinking ship when the tide turns, especially if the IRS finally grows a pair and cracks the 501(3)(c) status of the “czerch”.
The RB cartoon today and yesterday’s funnies both show tired people pretending to be enthusiastic. Hmmm, didn’t LRH call that 1.1?
I think if you were to judge scientology using scientology terminology, today’s “parishoners” are probably all 1.5 (anger) or below on the tone scale, most of them probably at -8.
For those of you who don’t know what the tone scale is, here is a link to Gerry Armstrong’s posting about the tone scale.
Alex de Valera says
July 13, 2018 at 11:38 am
Scientology, definitely not a healthy environment, very Stasi like. Good ol’ Stalin would have been inspired by it. Freedom of communication? Wasn’t it grade 0 that was supposed to handle that?
July 13, 2018 at 10:56 am
About suing Leah and Mike, first of all, I have zero doubt that Miscavige would sue the hell out of both of them if he didn’t think it would come back to bite him in the ass in a major way (it would). For an organization that loves to stifle any criticism, and is willing to use the “wog” court system to do so, the fact that they haven’t sued them should suggest that Miscavige knows it would not end well for this so-called “church” (or mostly, it wouldn’t end well for him, since he’s obviously the most important person…..in his own mind).
But there’s a much larger issue I have with them trying to attack Leah and Mike, and that is that they seem to be convinced that if they could just get these two individuals to go away, then all of the “entheta” (criticism) would drastically be reduced. I’ll grant that Mike and Leah are the two most visible individuals within the critic community at this time, and they do a phenomenal job of providing a platform to amplify the voices of those who have been adversely affected as a result of their association with this organization, but as they’ve said themselves, this fight isn’t about them (although Mike understandably still has a personal stake in this fight with his kids still in). If Mike and Leah were to somehow magically be silenced (don’t think that will ever happen), it’s not as though the criticism would cease altogether.
At the end of the day, and with all due to respect to both Mike and Leah, as well as to other high profile critics, I’m not going to believe something just because Leah Remini says it, or because Mike Rinder says it, or because Tony Ortega says it, or because any other single individual says it. I believe it because of the (quite literally) hundreds of former members that I’ve personally communicated with on social media who are among the thousands more (probably tens of thousands more) former members who all corroborate the same story, which is that the Church of Scientology is an organization that is destructive to the life of an individual who participates, and especially destructive to those who later have reservations and decide they wish to leave and inform others of what they experienced and the damage it caused them personally.
One day Aftermath will stop filming or will move on to other cults. It won’t change much at all, if anything, as it relates to the criticism of the Church of Scientology. Because Leah and Mike and the entire Aftermath production team have already accomplished something phenomenal, which is to bring more people (never-ins) into this fight and connect us with former members to let them know they are not alone anymore, and to provide them with support whenever possible. Going after individuals such as Mike and Leah, when there is a much larger community of critics now, is futile at best, and counter-productive at worst, because their vicious attacks only serve to further solidify their reputation as an organization hell-bent on personal destruction.
Sorry for the long-winded rant. Just needed to vent for a minute.
July 13, 2018 at 2:19 pm
IMHO if scamatology were somehow able to silence Mike and/or Leah, as it is attempting through its’ lame attacks, since it doesn’t dare sue, it would bring a groundswell of noise so loud that it would drown out any noise scientology had previously made.
July 13, 2018 at 2:45 pm
The Debbie Cook fiasco proved to Dildo Dave just what he can expect if He decides to sue. The defense can call witnesses to testify and in this case, Mike and Leah just for starters would sink the boat. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who if called upon, would testify.
For the record, I am one of them. Now I don’t have a lot to say and of course I never met you so the thing about the beatings I could not be a witness for. But there are a few things I can say from direct experience regarding my kids experience in the Sea Org, crazy reg cycles involving lying and of course the coersion which goes on regarding splitting up families when one of the spouses wants to donate (has been threatened about the consequences of not donating) and the other (that would be me) does not want to donate. These things I can and would testify about and of course, now that You have managed to alienate my ex because of Your stupid antics, I think she would be happy to corroborate
But here is a clue for You Dave. If You were to have a discussion with my daughter about reaching out to her Mom and perhaps doing some fence mending, that would go along way to preventing random testimony in the future. It would not have to include me Dave, just her Mom because her Mom has not to this day spoken poorly of yer church despite all reasons to do so. And You declared her Dave simply because she would not hire an attorney and agree to not speak with me other than through the attorney and that she would share all communications with the ethics officer as well to be sure that any suppression on her lines was handled by the friendly cherch staff. You had Julian declare her an Ess Pee for this and then you made her daughter disconnect from her. Just because she was trying to resolve our divorce (which You ordered) with direct communication with me.
I am happy to remain a declared Ess Pee and I will work to eradicate people and groups like yer cherch to my last breath so that said, please bring it on. And yes, you can continue to show my memos here on Mikes site to my kids, my nieces and nephews, my ex brother and sister in law and to all of the friends I made while in yer sucky cherch Dave. I understand that is just what You and yer minions do Dave ……… so get with it!
July 13, 2018 at 4:05 pm
“…her Mom has not to this day spoken poorly of yer cherch despite all reasons to do so.”
I don’t get it, Newcomer. As I understand it, first, the cherch forced her to dump her husband (you) OR lose her daughter. A Sophie’s Choice. Then the cherch insists that she divorce THEIR way, declares her she loses her kids anyway. She’s now a declared SP and as such forbidden to communicate with BOTH kids AND with the rest of her Still In family still in friends, etc. To continue, as an enemy of the cherch, she’s lost her “Eternity” if she still believes that. in brief, your ex-wife has lost pretty much all there is for a person to lose. But she has YET to speak “poorly” of Co$. Why not? What does she have to lose at this point? Its all gone! Unless she crawls back and does her A to E and forks over some sizable dono and otherwise eats crow, everything she had is gone, so why not speak out?
Sorry for my bluntness. Its just my way, sometimes. I mean no disrespect. If the true answer is personal and you don’t care to share it here, just ignore this, and no worries.
Well Aqua, I really do not know the answer to that. I can only assume that she knows that any entheta would be used against her by Julian to prove to the kids why she is an Ess Pee. So perhaps by not giving him any ammo maybe that will help the kids see the truth of the cult. But that is my explanation and not necessarily what is really going on.
I’m obviously a mouthy one who does not give a rats ass about repercussions. (That is actually not true) I really don’t think keeping quiet would make any difference in the outcome. Julian and the regges were painting me as the small being for years, even when I was on seven and ate and the kids never were allowed to visit then either. I was somehow ‘not with the program’ because I was a tight wad. My daughter did not even have the time to visit her 90+ year old Grandmother because she was too busy preparing for the next ‘event’. So where is the loss.
Fortunately I celebrated my Mom’s 97th bday just last evening. We rented a pontoon boat and planned a trip on the lake with friends and guitars. Good times had by all BTW!
My heart does go out to my ex however. She played by the rules and when she was doing as she was told and divorcing me Julian decided that was not good enough. They did a comm ev to find out why she was talking to me and when done, gave her the gold paper.
July 15, 2018 at 6:09 pm
I appreciate your satisfying my curiosity as about this, Newcomer. it puzzled me, so thanks, all is clear now. But before anything else:
Happy 97th Birthday to your Mom! Wow, have to say, being able at her age to enjoy her birthday party on a boat in the middle of a lake is really something…whatever she’s doing in life is obviously “working”, lol. So glad for her, and for you and for you and your wife and friends who love her and delight in her well being.
As to what you explained about your ex-wife’s motives and reasoning, apparently she wanted to run with the hares and hunt with the hounds, and neither the hounds nor the hares would permit that! To say it plainly, in trying to make sure that no one got mad at her made everyone mad at her and caused the systematic dismantling of her entire life. One can only hope that at some point she has a basic realization about who she really is, and what she stands really stands for.
Last but not least, if being “mouthy’ means standing up for who you are when its isomething very important, it appears to be a modus operndi that has served you well, created you a good life, and lost you nothing you would not have lost by being silent and cowed, and most importantly it amuses us here 🙂 so mouth away!
July 15, 2018 at 6:16 pm
Newcomer, I just answered you but I’m not sure it posted so I’ll check back later and if not I’ll send a repeat.
July 13, 2018 at 3:09 pm
Rant away, good buddy.
July 13, 2018 at 6:15 pm
Man, this was not a “rant”. You’re spot on. I had never thought about from this angle, even though I myself am a good example of what you mentioned: I live in a part of the world where Scio has zero profile. My interest came first from Going Clear (which we did not get from HBO here but later on via Netflix). However, what really got me following the issue was Aftermath, largely due to the enormous energy and magnetic charisma of Leah R and Mike R.
You’re so right – this broader reach and awareness has the potential to severely impact the destiny of this toxic organization. An entity that seems to have relied, so far, on ignorance and fake, fake news. Shedding the brightest light on it is very sanitary.
July 14, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Very well stated friend Mick! You took the words right out of my thoughts, as there ARE so many on this blog & on Tony’s blog and social media who would stand shoulder to shoulder & scream from the top of a mountain that ALL stated is true. Those still flying under the radar will one day reveal themselves as well.
The saddest of the sad will be when the “die hard still in’s” have to deal with the total downfall of it all. I can imagine THEY will STILL remain disconnected from their families by their own choice, fearful of the loss of their souls….blah blah blah.
The little man will be safe and sound living a high class life in a country WITHOUT an extradition treaty with the USA….after all…there is enough “donated money” for him to live out the rest of his life in total comfort, being waited on by still in loyal dedicated staff who will gave up everything they ever had to serve him.
The Legal Eagles will continue to battle it out in court until the money is running out, and then possibly within their own realm, some may turn tail & bail on him, after all, would even ONE of them want to face a possible long prison sentence….lawyers don’t do well when housed with “inmates”..
Even DM can’t admit to himself that “the organization” is circling the drain….Yes, it’s a slow circle, like we need Roto Router to come & clean OUT that drain so it moves faster, but legal issues take time. I fear I will be long gone before any of this really comes to a head…..all too sad.
July 13, 2018 at 10:43 am
It’s great to see Tiffany helping Rick out here. Like the old man said, solve it with Scientology!
I think her name was Roxy?
Uhmmmm…no. I guess I have my stories mixed up!
July 15, 2018 at 8:40 am
You do. Unlike Tiffany, Roxy saw the light and bolted.
July 13, 2018 at 4:58 pm
What was that? A solvent called Scientology? And it burns like Hell? Perfect!
July 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm
You misdupricated me agin Suffer Dood!
Sorry, MJM. It happens.
Computer Guy says
July 13, 2018 at 10:42 am
You are restimulating me RB. I am so enturbulated.
I have to take a long walk!
And…drink a gallon of Cal Mag.
Were you spying on me?
OMG – you nailed it!
July 13, 2018 at 2:05 pm
Yes, I was, CG. But…it was for your own good.
July 13, 2018 at 4:48 pm
Lol – you are a riot OSD!
July 13, 2018 at 8:52 pm
I’ve caused many riots. You should have seen me when I was younger.
However, I still have a home in Huntington Beach. Waiting for the last person to say: IT WAS ALL MAKE BELIEVE.
July 13, 2018 at 10:33 am
This was a good one. It makes me feel guilty when I laugh at these because I know they are describing real life for those in, and it’s really not funny.
I miss the good old days.
All my “friends”spying on each other and writing reports on each other.
Clueless Sea Org nitwits trying to boss you around.
Oh how I miss my freedom.
But it was worth it.
It was revealed to me that Xenu had done me in in a past life!
Then fortunately I did OTVIII 8 and it was revealed to me that all those memories of past lives was just bullshit.
It cost some money time and I had to put up with a lot of this bullshit but it was worth it!
July 13, 2018 at 2:00 pm
It was all a hoax, don’t you feel like an idiot?
Well, um, nope! I figured out how to escape. Thanks.
July 13, 2018 at 5:05 pm
Truth Revealed: Fatso said we’re all mocking up our reactive minds. Funny thing is, there’s no such thing as the reactive mind. Like I’ve said, Scientology is all make believe.
July 13, 2018 at 4:42 pm
Listen yo my Son !!!
July 13, 2018 at 8:54 pm
Ok. Yo, sup?
Dave F. says
July 13, 2018 at 10:25 am
Regraded Being is excellent !
The woman, Tiffany, in this episode is so “machine-like” in her questioning of Rick . . .
Her “mindless indoctrination” jumps out at me.
This angers me about the truth of what COS really is. It saddens me for the people that are trapped by COS and for the disconnected loved ones of those still in Scientology.
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