And all that time I though the staff members wanted their selectees to buy expensive services because they cared so much about their spiritual salvation.
I’m a little confused. I don’t recall our Div 2 Reg staff getting FSM commissions. It was simply their job. The staff that got commissions were those who sold books.
One public who had debts was recruited as Book Store Officer, because they would get book commissions to help with their debt. I was pissed, because it effectively meant that only that staff member would get paid. The organization rarely made money, and so we rarely got paid anything.
First I want to say how clear and clean I feel! I also feel happy, exhilarated and in a new state of Clear for me.
A long auditing cycle has closed out and left me amazed. It was the item I came into Scientology to handle and now I have finally arrived to a state where I can honestly say, “I am done with that!” I learned all I could that was necessary through auditing and training and now I am able to just say goodbye and leave it alone. This feeling is so wonderful and freeing!
I’m so proud to have attest to the state of Clear OT as a result of this gain and many others on L-10. What a powerful RD and series of actions that leave me with a floating TA after nearly every session! It has been some time since I read the definition of Clear OT but feeling “ cleared “ by my recent auditing made this a very easy state to attest to! It is quite a state of comfort, joy, hope and exhilaration.
So I am a pretty lucky guy and I know that all this long and hard work will change the course of my future. I feel experienced now and much less likely to ever get myself in the predicament I arrived to the doors of Scientology with. I think in the future I will see the red flags of warning waving brightly before my eyes and be able to easily steer myself to safe grounds.
Thank you Ronit for all the steps you have taken with me that had to be done for me to arrive at this end of cycle and new beginning. Each repair, debug, process, Grade and OT Level were necessary to get me in shape to bring this about. I have so much love and gratitude in my heart for you and your help…💐
One other thing that I am proud of is, never allowing doubts about Ron and Scientology creep in. I knew from the beginning that Scientology was something special and I am grateful for all that it has done for me. Had I not found it I feel quite certain my life would have come to some sort of a miserable end. So thank you Ron for the life line!
If possible, I would appreciate if you could break down that cost into the major categories – such as:
. Auditing
. Course time
. Books
. Total cost of all charitable contributions you made that were not made for any course work or training time.
I would appreciate if you could also include any other categories you can think of that I have omitted.
Finally, can you tell me just how long you spent doing this? I mean from the time you first walked into one of their buildings until the time you decided you were finished.
I am sure (certain, I tell you!) that Fleet Admiral McSavage, the leader of the world’s most ethical Fantasy Theta Navy, approves of this shining example of his robot-slaves high level of computational ability and ecclesiastical service. It is a profound, sphincter-locking, vomit-inducing testament to the cold-chrome, tungsten-tough, production-oriented mindset that keeps this highly spiritual group heartily fucking over themselves and everyone else they meet with consistently predictable, KSW-driven focus!
Hip, hip, cult cray-cray!
Nice one, RB😁
I cannot add anything to your comment , I would like to , but you said it all.
I wanted to say that a level of stupidity has to be entered in this mad equation that is the Scientology mindset.
I guess i did say something after all but yours is way better.
To be fair , inherent intelligence does come back when one leaves.
I just want to offer you my respect, admiration and my appreciation for all the contributions you make to this blog.
Your writing style and the information you post is markedly different than any other contributor and I find it very instructive and highly entertaining.
I just want you to know that I appreciate the time you spend writing for this blog very much and I heartily enjoy reading your posts.
Skyler,
Thanks for your kind words!
I enjoy your posts as well and I think we share a similarly passionate
disgust for the crimes and abuses of Captain McSavage and his international corporate criminal syndicate( as do many others here).
I noticed that you have a pretty deep knowledge of the subject even though you were not in the cult and that gives me hope, because you can explain and break down the subject in an understandable way whenever it comes up with people you interact with…It’s that ripple effect, with each one teaching one, and educating the general public about just how whack this so-called church is…
Thanks for caring about this issue and contributing your views and ideas to the conversation; love and respect right back at ya!
Cheers😁
Per rock solid policy, staff can’t be FSMs as it’s a designation of FIELD Staff Member.
No personal commissions were allowed, if you did FSM in a new person and request a commission, that commission went straight to the staff pay sum that was divided among the entire staff body.
There were bonus systems for regges, auditors, and for the PDC stat, but they were seldom in force in lower orgs. Too broke for the minimum GI requirement amount needed before bonuses were to be allotted.
Unless…………
It’s just another bit of Ron’s Magical Admin Tek that DM no longer applies.
Scientology. Do not turn around ever. You will be stabbed in the back. Sometimes you will be stabbed in the back by someone you don’t suspect while facing the one you suspect. No way to live.
Wow, is that ever true! Stab and be stabbed. When there’s no one on the outside to do in, they turn on one another. No heart, no compassion, no sense of fairness, no sensibilities or morals, just a degraded, primitive, blind loyalty to their abusive Master McSavage/
I really hate them sometimes, these robots, for their stupidity and for the pain they cause others who have the misfortune to love them, and this is one of those times. I know its wrong and not helpful to hate but at times…oh, well, at least these fits don’t last. I don’t want to hate anyone.
@aqua I don’t call it at, I call it purging, because I state my beef then get on with life. I don’t hold a grudge anymore. That only harms me. I feel kind of bad for the people who are still stuck behind the wall, but I don’t begrudge anyone who harmed me while in there.
Like people I knew in school, there are some ex-scientologists I will never want to associate with again and some I never knew who I don’t wish to know. That doesn’t make them bad people, it just means that they are not my cup of tea.
Just because I share a common past with someone does not mean that we need to share a future. When I first started protesting scientology abuses, I had the mistaken belief that we all had a common agenda and that we were all working towards the same goal.
Since joining the fight, I find that some people are so filled with anger at how they were treated that they are unable to see beyond their pain. That is some of the damage that scientology does to you, but it doesn’t mean that I wish to associate with those people.
So yeah, I say go ahead and hate as long as you just say it and move on and it doesn’t consume you. And…yeah, I’m not a psychologist, nor did I even play one on tv 😉
Agreed on all you’ve said, especially, “Aqua, I don’t call it at (hate) I call it purging…”
While you were writing your response, I was, in a somewhat nervous frame of mind, re-reading what I had posted. Feeling somewhat uneasy because I realized I hadn’t communicated clearly what was going on with me.
So, yes, thank you for your honest feedback and help, in response to my venomous snake comment!
I do know how harmful it is to harbor hatred or other negative emotions. Toxic to oneself and to others connected to me.
Yes, its purging. Good word. I spill it out here what flares up in me sometimes, so that I can rid myself of it, so that it DOESN’T consume me.
And, btw, I do feel better now, peaceful now, and you’ve contributed to that 🙂
I just read over what I wrote, and realized it sounds like I hate people who dropped me. No. I was one of the lucky ones. I had no one I loved inside the cult with me. No husband, sweetheart, child. I had some people of whom I was very fond who dropped me. I don’t hate them. So when I said, “I hate them sometimes”, I actually misspoke. I don’t hate them. I pity them sometimes and I find them irritating and exasperating and I feel contemptuous of them sometimes, but I don’t hate them, no.
What I HATE is their blind, stubborn stupidity, the way they HOLD ON, the way they CLING to their delusions despite the evidence in front of their very eyes giving the lie to it all. I hate that they persist this way, and in so doing, hurt others AND themselves, ruin the ones who love them AND themselves, and, last but not least, do all of the above with total smugness and self righteousness. THAT is what I hate.
Because these Still Ins do not and did not and could not hurt ME. The cult and the Still Ins have NO leverage on me. There is nothing they can do to hurt me – not personally, or professionally. I post here under a made up name because I don’t want my real name associated with anyone who googles me for personal or business reasons. I’m EMBARRASSED to have been associated with this criminal organization. But, apart from that, can the cult hurt me? No. No leverage.
Again, there’s no one in the cult about whom I personally give a tinker’s damn. Any person I truly loved and who I believed I could not live without (six people) died BEFORE I joined the cult.
And if they tried to hurt me in business, my long time business associates and clients, with whom I share a strong relationships built over many years of mutual trust and respect, these people would laugh at the cultees, or ignore them, or write them off for the nutters that they are. The cult could never ruin my business. So no leverage.
But I also hate – HATE – the fact that, if they DID have leverage on me – any kind of leverage – they’d use it to hurt me, and that goes for the “NICE” ones on staff – they’d be on board with it too.
And that’s why, despite the cherch never having really hurt me, I’m on board with every person on this blog and elsewhere who has been fair gamed and disconnected from.
It COULD have been me.
And that it could have been me is ALWAYS at the front of my mind when it comes to thinking about them and dealing with them, no matter how “nice” any of these nice-nice still ins victims are.
They’ll do you in too, if they’re ordered to do so!
I think of them as venomous snakes who will strike at any time, if one is vulnerable.
You could be not staff and still be promised you could pay for your bridge with your fsm efforts.
But the regges usually stoke the commission, leaving you in the cold.
Just another lie.
I know! When I worked my first real job it seemed when the company president would hand something back to me with bright orange Sharpie markings I knew I was in for it. He was a dick. When I had to type something he dictated it seemed he just had to eat an apple while dictating. Ewww, trying to get through it with his slurping into the dictaphone and just knowing when I had finished it was going to come back with bright orange corrections. Maybe I should have type in “slurp, slurp” too, No doubt I would have gotten out of there sooner than I planned.
Oooh Peggy, brings back memories, I worked at a large law firm in the 80’s, I helped out other secretaries with their excess dictation when I had finished all my work at my desk. One attorney, Jeff, occasionally ate while he dictated, usually chips. At least he had the decency to apologize when he did so.
He stopped doing it completely when the two of us ganged up on him and jokingly started eating chips one time when he stopped by our desks to talk to us. He laughed about it and said, OK, I will eat then dictate from now on. He stayed true to his word.
Some people are dicks, some people are teachable. Sounds like you worked for a dick.
This certainly shows the warped thinking of scinos who are desperate for money all the time because they are so broke they can barely buy their cigarettes but ask people for thousands of dollars every day as if it’s nothing but a postulate. Oh the Irony! RB does it again! Way to hit the nail on the head RB…or should I say the hit warped policies on the head again.
Thanks RB for reminding me of the crazy fsm scams. Have been out too long and forgot. Besides, I encountered nothing like it in the real world. Have not been to North Korea though.
And all that time I though the staff members wanted their selectees to buy expensive services because they cared so much about their spiritual salvation.
Gosh, isn’t scientology wonderful?
If those two clowns are representative of the Dwindle™ of scientologizts, most people would say, “NOPE!”
I’m a little confused. I don’t recall our Div 2 Reg staff getting FSM commissions. It was simply their job. The staff that got commissions were those who sold books.
One public who had debts was recruited as Book Store Officer, because they would get book commissions to help with their debt. I was pissed, because it effectively meant that only that staff member would get paid. The organization rarely made money, and so we rarely got paid anything.
Sorry i couldn’t make the cut. There was a time you would have let a Success through.
My apologies. The post disappeared on this end.. Thank you.
This is entirely off any recent topic…
Success Story ! 😇✨
First I want to say how clear and clean I feel! I also feel happy, exhilarated and in a new state of Clear for me.
A long auditing cycle has closed out and left me amazed. It was the item I came into Scientology to handle and now I have finally arrived to a state where I can honestly say, “I am done with that!” I learned all I could that was necessary through auditing and training and now I am able to just say goodbye and leave it alone. This feeling is so wonderful and freeing!
I’m so proud to have attest to the state of Clear OT as a result of this gain and many others on L-10. What a powerful RD and series of actions that leave me with a floating TA after nearly every session! It has been some time since I read the definition of Clear OT but feeling “ cleared “ by my recent auditing made this a very easy state to attest to! It is quite a state of comfort, joy, hope and exhilaration.
So I am a pretty lucky guy and I know that all this long and hard work will change the course of my future. I feel experienced now and much less likely to ever get myself in the predicament I arrived to the doors of Scientology with. I think in the future I will see the red flags of warning waving brightly before my eyes and be able to easily steer myself to safe grounds.
Thank you Ronit for all the steps you have taken with me that had to be done for me to arrive at this end of cycle and new beginning. Each repair, debug, process, Grade and OT Level were necessary to get me in shape to bring this about. I have so much love and gratitude in my heart for you and your help…💐
One other thing that I am proud of is, never allowing doubts about Ron and Scientology creep in. I knew from the beginning that Scientology was something special and I am grateful for all that it has done for me. Had I not found it I feel quite certain my life would have come to some sort of a miserable end. So thank you Ron for the life line!
Excited to see where I go from here on L-10! 😇
This was done in the field. I have been gone from the church essentially since Debbie Cook’s letter came out…🙋🏼♂️
This would not have been achievable in the current church.
Can you please tell me the total cost?
If possible, I would appreciate if you could break down that cost into the major categories – such as:
. Auditing
. Course time
. Books
. Total cost of all charitable contributions you made that were not made for any course work or training time.
I would appreciate if you could also include any other categories you can think of that I have omitted.
Finally, can you tell me just how long you spent doing this? I mean from the time you first walked into one of their buildings until the time you decided you were finished.
In my case it doesn’t really matter how much I spent or the time invested, it had to be done.
Now that I have completed the OT Levels and am on the other side of the NOTS case I know more than ever it had to be done.
At any price it was a bargain.
I am sure (certain, I tell you!) that Fleet Admiral McSavage, the leader of the world’s most ethical Fantasy Theta Navy, approves of this shining example of his robot-slaves high level of computational ability and ecclesiastical service. It is a profound, sphincter-locking, vomit-inducing testament to the cold-chrome, tungsten-tough, production-oriented mindset that keeps this highly spiritual group heartily fucking over themselves and everyone else they meet with consistently predictable, KSW-driven focus!
Hip, hip, cult cray-cray!
Nice one, RB😁
I cannot add anything to your comment , I would like to , but you said it all.
I wanted to say that a level of stupidity has to be entered in this mad equation that is the Scientology mindset.
I guess i did say something after all but yours is way better.
To be fair , inherent intelligence does come back when one leaves.
Yes, indeed, inherent intelligence DOES come back when one leaves.
Astute observation🤗
Hey Mark!
I just want to offer you my respect, admiration and my appreciation for all the contributions you make to this blog.
Your writing style and the information you post is markedly different than any other contributor and I find it very instructive and highly entertaining.
I just want you to know that I appreciate the time you spend writing for this blog very much and I heartily enjoy reading your posts.
Thank you.
Skyler,
Thanks for your kind words!
I enjoy your posts as well and I think we share a similarly passionate
disgust for the crimes and abuses of Captain McSavage and his international corporate criminal syndicate( as do many others here).
I noticed that you have a pretty deep knowledge of the subject even though you were not in the cult and that gives me hope, because you can explain and break down the subject in an understandable way whenever it comes up with people you interact with…It’s that ripple effect, with each one teaching one, and educating the general public about just how whack this so-called church is…
Thanks for caring about this issue and contributing your views and ideas to the conversation; love and respect right back at ya!
Cheers😁
Per rock solid policy, staff can’t be FSMs as it’s a designation of FIELD Staff Member.
No personal commissions were allowed, if you did FSM in a new person and request a commission, that commission went straight to the staff pay sum that was divided among the entire staff body.
There were bonus systems for regges, auditors, and for the PDC stat, but they were seldom in force in lower orgs. Too broke for the minimum GI requirement amount needed before bonuses were to be allotted.
Unless…………
It’s just another bit of Ron’s Magical Admin Tek that DM no longer applies.
Scientology. Do not turn around ever. You will be stabbed in the back. Sometimes you will be stabbed in the back by someone you don’t suspect while facing the one you suspect. No way to live.
Wow, is that ever true! Stab and be stabbed. When there’s no one on the outside to do in, they turn on one another. No heart, no compassion, no sense of fairness, no sensibilities or morals, just a degraded, primitive, blind loyalty to their abusive Master McSavage/
I really hate them sometimes, these robots, for their stupidity and for the pain they cause others who have the misfortune to love them, and this is one of those times. I know its wrong and not helpful to hate but at times…oh, well, at least these fits don’t last. I don’t want to hate anyone.
@aqua I don’t call it at, I call it purging, because I state my beef then get on with life. I don’t hold a grudge anymore. That only harms me. I feel kind of bad for the people who are still stuck behind the wall, but I don’t begrudge anyone who harmed me while in there.
Like people I knew in school, there are some ex-scientologists I will never want to associate with again and some I never knew who I don’t wish to know. That doesn’t make them bad people, it just means that they are not my cup of tea.
Just because I share a common past with someone does not mean that we need to share a future. When I first started protesting scientology abuses, I had the mistaken belief that we all had a common agenda and that we were all working towards the same goal.
Since joining the fight, I find that some people are so filled with anger at how they were treated that they are unable to see beyond their pain. That is some of the damage that scientology does to you, but it doesn’t mean that I wish to associate with those people.
So yeah, I say go ahead and hate as long as you just say it and move on and it doesn’t consume you. And…yeah, I’m not a psychologist, nor did I even play one on tv 😉
Hi Val,
Looks like we’re tracking 🙂
Agreed on all you’ve said, especially, “Aqua, I don’t call it at (hate) I call it purging…”
While you were writing your response, I was, in a somewhat nervous frame of mind, re-reading what I had posted. Feeling somewhat uneasy because I realized I hadn’t communicated clearly what was going on with me.
So, yes, thank you for your honest feedback and help, in response to my venomous snake comment!
I do know how harmful it is to harbor hatred or other negative emotions. Toxic to oneself and to others connected to me.
Yes, its purging. Good word. I spill it out here what flares up in me sometimes, so that I can rid myself of it, so that it DOESN’T consume me.
And, btw, I do feel better now, peaceful now, and you’ve contributed to that 🙂
Thanks again, Val.
I just read over what I wrote, and realized it sounds like I hate people who dropped me. No. I was one of the lucky ones. I had no one I loved inside the cult with me. No husband, sweetheart, child. I had some people of whom I was very fond who dropped me. I don’t hate them. So when I said, “I hate them sometimes”, I actually misspoke. I don’t hate them. I pity them sometimes and I find them irritating and exasperating and I feel contemptuous of them sometimes, but I don’t hate them, no.
What I HATE is their blind, stubborn stupidity, the way they HOLD ON, the way they CLING to their delusions despite the evidence in front of their very eyes giving the lie to it all. I hate that they persist this way, and in so doing, hurt others AND themselves, ruin the ones who love them AND themselves, and, last but not least, do all of the above with total smugness and self righteousness. THAT is what I hate.
Because these Still Ins do not and did not and could not hurt ME. The cult and the Still Ins have NO leverage on me. There is nothing they can do to hurt me – not personally, or professionally. I post here under a made up name because I don’t want my real name associated with anyone who googles me for personal or business reasons. I’m EMBARRASSED to have been associated with this criminal organization. But, apart from that, can the cult hurt me? No. No leverage.
Again, there’s no one in the cult about whom I personally give a tinker’s damn. Any person I truly loved and who I believed I could not live without (six people) died BEFORE I joined the cult.
And if they tried to hurt me in business, my long time business associates and clients, with whom I share a strong relationships built over many years of mutual trust and respect, these people would laugh at the cultees, or ignore them, or write them off for the nutters that they are. The cult could never ruin my business. So no leverage.
But I also hate – HATE – the fact that, if they DID have leverage on me – any kind of leverage – they’d use it to hurt me, and that goes for the “NICE” ones on staff – they’d be on board with it too.
And that’s why, despite the cherch never having really hurt me, I’m on board with every person on this blog and elsewhere who has been fair gamed and disconnected from.
It COULD have been me.
And that it could have been me is ALWAYS at the front of my mind when it comes to thinking about them and dealing with them, no matter how “nice” any of these nice-nice still ins victims are.
They’ll do you in too, if they’re ordered to do so!
I think of them as venomous snakes who will strike at any time, if one is vulnerable.
From what I have learned, they stab you in the front, too. There is no honor among thieves.
Is this something recent that FSM’s wear uniforms like the S.O or staff? Or is it new that staff receive FSM commissions? I am confused.
You could be not staff and still be promised you could pay for your bridge with your fsm efforts.
But the regges usually stoke the commission, leaving you in the cold.
Just another lie.
Not the GOLDENROD paper!!! Anything but THAT
old biking dude says
November 8, 2019 at 9:10 am
Not the GOLDENROD paper!!! Anything but THAT
I know! When I worked my first real job it seemed when the company president would hand something back to me with bright orange Sharpie markings I knew I was in for it. He was a dick. When I had to type something he dictated it seemed he just had to eat an apple while dictating. Ewww, trying to get through it with his slurping into the dictaphone and just knowing when I had finished it was going to come back with bright orange corrections. Maybe I should have type in “slurp, slurp” too, No doubt I would have gotten out of there sooner than I planned.
Oooh Peggy, brings back memories, I worked at a large law firm in the 80’s, I helped out other secretaries with their excess dictation when I had finished all my work at my desk. One attorney, Jeff, occasionally ate while he dictated, usually chips. At least he had the decency to apologize when he did so.
He stopped doing it completely when the two of us ganged up on him and jokingly started eating chips one time when he stopped by our desks to talk to us. He laughed about it and said, OK, I will eat then dictate from now on. He stayed true to his word.
Some people are dicks, some people are teachable. Sounds like you worked for a dick.
If I ever see another Goldenrod, I’m going to find out where this person lives.
Sigh, now all I can think of is the baddy from Austin Powers: Goldmember.
This certainly shows the warped thinking of scinos who are desperate for money all the time because they are so broke they can barely buy their cigarettes but ask people for thousands of dollars every day as if it’s nothing but a postulate. Oh the Irony! RB does it again! Way to hit the nail on the head RB…or should I say the hit warped policies on the head again.
Thanks RB for reminding me of the crazy fsm scams. Have been out too long and forgot. Besides, I encountered nothing like it in the real world. Have not been to North Korea though.
How much was the commission they were arguing over, RB? I’m sure it was a kingly sum… for a staffer… peanuts of the rest of us…