Can an ex-scientologist truly be happy as a Wog?”
IMO, you’re not an EX-scientologist unless you’re a Wog, and YES, ex-scientologists can be lots happier than they were as scientologists. SO-O-O much load lifted off of our shoulders. SO much more money back in the bank, so much better food, real friends who don’t require our time and energy on their behalf.
No stat-push Thursdays. No threats of the RPF, no “Hole”. No snitching culture, REAL romantic relationships, re-discovering love, being free to learn real subjects, investigate real science, learning how to read for ENJOYMENT again FREEDOM!
What would happen (or has it ever happened) if a non-Scientologist (or SP) spouse and/or child was awarded alimony and/or child support from a current parishioner or Sea Org member? Would the Sea Org have to bump up the staffer’s wages so as to not violate labor laws? Has any of this ever happened?
i have not seen up to date a SP who is unhappy to be a SP. He is happy with it what he is doing. It is not a real prHoblem for him to be antisocial. The idea of social for him is having something and more for himself only. He knows that he needs it from others – so it is better the other is dump.
The fear for being declared as a SP shows itself that the person is not a SP. Surely true. But this small step is not in the mind of the person who has the right to declare somebody. It needs only a second to think this over, and find out that it is better to handle wrongdoings than declaring others…
Blaming others for overts is basically the greatest overt. But it can easily be done – very easy. Doing it is a suppressive act. Nobody should have the right to declare somebody who is in fear for being declared.
I became finally declared. I had in the procedure fear. It is a degradation finally. But the person who did it, had basically much more fear than me. It is the fear for being connected with a SP – because this guys have the power to stop you as a being. A scientologist believes that…. absolutely…
Being declared has the upside that you’re no longer wondering if it’ll happen, no longer kowtowing to them to (hopefully) prevent the declaration. I don’t KNOW if I’ve been declared, but being kicked off of Flag’s property FELT like I’d been kicked out of scn. As a result, I’ve not seen the inside of any Org in 40 years, which has somewhat helped me disconnect from MY SP, scientology. As a result, I’m freer and more productive that I ever was in scientology. I get to KEEP my money and property and can go wherever I feel like on the ‘Net, too.
A Somewhat Fairer Game Policy for Not Quite SPs. That’s never gonna happen because it is much easier for the cult to simply declare anyone than to work to repair all errors and failures in services taken which are truly the reason why the person left. No, the cult could never step up, take responsibility and make things right. Never. Easier and cheaper for them to declare them SP. Puts the blame on the person; not the cult.
Otherles. Usually: Recognize it as such and let it happen. Dont put any resistance trying to solve it somehow, otherwise it will pulls you in. Let it be.
Soon it will be gonne.
Wrong. Irrationality, by it’s very nature, does not respond to confrontation. Nor does it respond to coaxing, logic, or anything else (except possibly heaping doses of flattery – something Scilons know all too well.)
When confronted with irrationality, shut up and walk away. If possible, go have a glass of wine and give thanks for the clarity of your own mind (granted that you’re not irrational too, of course.)
“If possible, go have a glass of wine and give thanks for the clarity of your own mind”
Briget absolutely yes!
(but then one has to stop at only one glass, otherwise at the second one he begins to think about what he could have said and risks going back to tell him. LOL)
Irrationality depends on rationality – it depends on your rationality. So it is also seen by the other. You have a controvery as a result. It is not a question of confront. None-confront comes with your disagreement… that is what you should confront…
Yes, those can be pretty pricey. That’s why admire the Catholic Church. They could take a cue from Scientology and charge fees for confession but they don’t. Good for them!
“Can an ex scientologist be truly happy as a Wog?”
Definitely yes, he can be.
I still remember the day I finally left the RPF and I was free. Nobody controlling me to report or obey. A unique sensation.
I was two days almost without thoughts. I was so good. It was a total awareness of the present and everything that was part of it. I didn’t care about the past or the future. Only years later – practicing meditation – I understood what that moment was. And it is still present today.
Just reading that gives me a headache. I am really glad I don’t have to live it.
They have both learned to speak in Word Salad. A wonderful language where you can say anything you want and no one will realize what you are saying.
We Southerners do that from time to time when we say things like “Well bless your heart.” You think we are being nice and we are really saying you are dumber than dirt.
Boy, am I glad I put that book back down that day and didn’t read it.
I’m born, bred and again live a few inches higher with a girl who was born & bred so far south in Virginia, I could throw a stone over the line into North Carolina. Not once has she said to me:”Bless your heart.” despite the many Southern ways and idioms which tripped me up when we visited her (many) relatives over the years.
BTW, boiled peanuts from the local gas station ain’t as awful as it sounds and looks.
Life in the cult must be a constant battle to obey the hardest. You can really see their fears of the consequences of a wrong thought.
Can an ex-scientologist truly be happy as a Wog?”
IMO, you’re not an EX-scientologist unless you’re a Wog, and YES, ex-scientologists can be lots happier than they were as scientologists. SO-O-O much load lifted off of our shoulders. SO much more money back in the bank, so much better food, real friends who don’t require our time and energy on their behalf.
No stat-push Thursdays. No threats of the RPF, no “Hole”. No snitching culture, REAL romantic relationships, re-discovering love, being free to learn real subjects, investigate real science, learning how to read for ENJOYMENT again
FREEDOM!
What would happen (or has it ever happened) if a non-Scientologist (or SP) spouse and/or child was awarded alimony and/or child support from a current parishioner or Sea Org member? Would the Sea Org have to bump up the staffer’s wages so as to not violate labor laws? Has any of this ever happened?
i have not seen up to date a SP who is unhappy to be a SP. He is happy with it what he is doing. It is not a real prHoblem for him to be antisocial. The idea of social for him is having something and more for himself only. He knows that he needs it from others – so it is better the other is dump.
The fear for being declared as a SP shows itself that the person is not a SP. Surely true. But this small step is not in the mind of the person who has the right to declare somebody. It needs only a second to think this over, and find out that it is better to handle wrongdoings than declaring others…
Blaming others for overts is basically the greatest overt. But it can easily be done – very easy. Doing it is a suppressive act. Nobody should have the right to declare somebody who is in fear for being declared.
I became finally declared. I had in the procedure fear. It is a degradation finally. But the person who did it, had basically much more fear than me. It is the fear for being connected with a SP – because this guys have the power to stop you as a being. A scientologist believes that…. absolutely…
Being declared has the upside that you’re no longer wondering if it’ll happen, no longer kowtowing to them to (hopefully) prevent the declaration. I don’t KNOW if I’ve been declared, but being kicked off of Flag’s property FELT like I’d been kicked out of scn. As a result, I’ve not seen the inside of any Org in 40 years, which has somewhat helped me disconnect from MY SP, scientology. As a result, I’m freer and more productive that I ever was in scientology. I get to KEEP my money and property and can go wherever I feel like on the ‘Net, too.
A Somewhat Fairer Game Policy for Not Quite SPs. That’s never gonna happen because it is much easier for the cult to simply declare anyone than to work to repair all errors and failures in services taken which are truly the reason why the person left. No, the cult could never step up, take responsibility and make things right. Never. Easier and cheaper for them to declare them SP. Puts the blame on the person; not the cult.
How does one confront irrationality?
Very good question. I sort of ignore it if possible.
Otherles. Usually: Recognize it as such and let it happen. Dont put any resistance trying to solve it somehow, otherwise it will pulls you in. Let it be.
Soon it will be gonne.
When you see it – you confront it. Right?
Wrong. Irrationality, by it’s very nature, does not respond to confrontation. Nor does it respond to coaxing, logic, or anything else (except possibly heaping doses of flattery – something Scilons know all too well.)
When confronted with irrationality, shut up and walk away. If possible, go have a glass of wine and give thanks for the clarity of your own mind (granted that you’re not irrational too, of course.)
“If possible, go have a glass of wine and give thanks for the clarity of your own mind”
Briget absolutely yes!
(but then one has to stop at only one glass, otherwise at the second one he begins to think about what he could have said and risks going back to tell him. LOL)
Irrationality depends on rationality – it depends on your rationality. So it is also seen by the other. You have a controvery as a result. It is not a question of confront. None-confront comes with your disagreement… that is what you should confront…
Drink a bottle of scotch and then try and have a rational argument with a $camologist.
Why would I WANT to confront irrationality? Been there, done that, got kicked out for calling it ridiculous, which it was.
I like how he’s starting to realize how expensive Scientology can be!
Keep going, dude! Soon you’ll be commenting on this blog with the rest of us!
Right! Not being able to afford another ‘Ethics’ cycle.🥰
Yes, those can be pretty pricey. That’s why admire the Catholic Church. They could take a cue from Scientology and charge fees for confession but they don’t. Good for them!
“Can an ex scientologist be truly happy as a Wog?”
Definitely yes, he can be.
I still remember the day I finally left the RPF and I was free. Nobody controlling me to report or obey. A unique sensation.
I was two days almost without thoughts. I was so good. It was a total awareness of the present and everything that was part of it. I didn’t care about the past or the future. Only years later – practicing meditation – I understood what that moment was. And it is still present today.
Welcome back to the real world!!!
Thanks. It happen more than 15 years ago. So I had all the time to enjoy it.
In many ways, TIME is the ting I most recovered once they deemed me incapable of holding any job at Flog, not even a proper RPF inmate.😇
Moksha (enlightenment) is good. Enjoy .
Jim thanks. You got it. Lets say conscious awakening.
Just reading that gives me a headache. I am really glad I don’t have to live it.
They have both learned to speak in Word Salad. A wonderful language where you can say anything you want and no one will realize what you are saying.
We Southerners do that from time to time when we say things like “Well bless your heart.” You think we are being nice and we are really saying you are dumber than dirt.
Boy, am I glad I put that book back down that day and didn’t read it.
😂 I don’t really qualify as a southerner – I live inches north of the Mason Dixon Line. But a friend and I use that saying.
“Bless her heart” with us is NOT a compliment!
I’m born, bred and again live a few inches higher with a girl who was born & bred so far south in Virginia, I could throw a stone over the line into North Carolina. Not once has she said to me:”Bless your heart.” despite the many Southern ways and idioms which tripped me up when we visited her (many) relatives over the years.
BTW, boiled peanuts from the local gas station ain’t as awful as it sounds and looks.