Hi IYawnalot,Thank you for your post.I was posting about compassion in general not the hard hard core ones who refuse to ever look.Compassion for those coming out & those just out & even compassion for the cancers I have from my time in SO.Because if I don’t have some compassion for my body trying to fight I would be a very bitter angry sad old lady all the time & I don’t want to be that way.As for handling enemies I certainly can & will do that if I fell I need to.Take Care Ann B.
Like a bullet to the soul this cartoon of reality went. Just devastating. My deepest sympathy to all who suffer, have suffered, and sadly, will suffer this in the future.
I’m a never in, but I’m someone who cared for both elderly parents until they passed, I’m so grateful for that time and chance to care for them, I will stay ever hopeful that disconnected families will reconnect in time, before it’s too late…I’m so sorry for all of you who have endured this pain.
Well, thankfully for me, my immediate family was evidently a bit smarter than me – from the get-go, they wanted absolutely nothing to do with $cientology, no matter what “dissemination technique” I tried to apply. I guess I was either too soft sell or my ethics was out, as a former (now dead) registrar would like me to believe. In actuallity, I could never “body route” anybody as I didn’t like the idea of the use of force in trying to get someone to follow a “religious philosophy”. Besides, if the technology was so workable, you wouldn’t have to bang someone in the back of the head with a baseball bat to get them to check it out. It went against my grain as I felt it was a bit disrespectful of the other person.
Of course, according to Ron, non-$cientologists are just lowly “wogs” and aren’t bright enough to make a decision. Therefore, the Clears and OTs who know better must make the decision for them.
Of course, according to Ron, only the abberated have secrets; only the criminal needs privacy.
Of course, according to Ron, “democracy” is an evil word and the best form of government is a “benevolent monarchy/dictatorship”, never mind that “benevolent” is really just a point of view.
Of course, according to Ron, it’s better to tell “shore stories” and “acceptable truths” than to create a PR flap, never mind that the lying itself creates PR and legals problems.The C of $ has to continually lie about almost everything: it’s rapid expansion, it’s benevolent dictator David “Let Him Die” Miscavige, it’s disconnection policy, it’s “idle morgue” scam, it’s IAS scam, etc. It even has to lie about what $cientolgy can do for the individual. Just ask yourself if you’ve ever met an OT with all the abilities described in History of Man. Ask yourself if you’ve ever even met a Clear with a perfectly functioning rational mind as described in DMSMH. Most OT 8s I’ve had the “pleasure” of meeting are unstable nut jobs. Cray Cray!
Of course, according to Ron, he wishes that the C of $ didn’t have to charge exorbitant amounts of money for services, but hey, “free service equals free fall” and who would want to reward all these downstats and degraded beings? One thing for sure: L. Ron Hubbard wasn’t was a Communist, especially when it came to his own finances and lifestyle. Miscavige is just following in his footsteps by creating his own “benevolent dictatorship”. However, if one looks to past history for examples of a “benevolent dictatorship”, one quickly realizes that it is an oxymoron in the same sense as “compassionate cult”.
I should actually thank my family for never joining the cult with me, because when I was Fitness Boarded out of the Sea Org, and kicked to the curb with NO severance after six years of employment, it was my wog-world mom and dad who welcomed me back with open arms and had a bed I could sleep in until I could get back on my feet. I still remember fondly my first few weeks out of the SO “decompressing”, where all I did was eat, sleep, exercise, catch up on my movies, etc. It felt so good to be out of a controlling cult and enjoying life. Because my family was never “in”, I was outside the reach of the tenacles of the cult; I always had a “safe harbor”.
Yes, I still occasionally (rarely) get Sea Org nightmares, but they are just that, thank God! Back in the Sea Org, I was living that nightmare every day while at the same time lying to myself about how on purpose I was, how much good for the planet I was doing, etc. In short, I was self deluded, which is the worst kind of delusion because it’s the hardest to undo: you did it to yourself.
Does Scientology own the sidewalk in front of the Flag Building entrance, or is it legal to picket there provided you don’t block access to the parishioners arriving for the running and Superpower rundowns?
Well… this is exactly what happened with my kid. I got declared and she did not really want to disconnect. We were so closed but the entire family on her mother’s side are $cn-ists. Well hoping she is doing well. Missing her and I know she misses me too.
Happy Father’s Day, and especially to all of you dads who wait, in what must seem an eternity for their kids to regain a semblance of decency and sanity to finally return. No matter what you did, or were perceived to have done, NOBODY or any group should have such an influence or persuasion to either encourage or even require a son or daughter to let go from dad, unless it was truly abuse or evil that was committed against their children. One does not just “let go” of flesh and blood, and to those who suffer from disconnection; moms, dads, kids, and friends, keep up the fight, and may you reunite happily, and soon. End the insanity and injustice of family disconnection in any way possible. It’s even worse than the thievery.
“I warn those who fed him these lies…be very far away…He will discover the truth”.
OMG.
What a huge collective upheaval its going to be once the truth about Co$ is out there to the degree that not even the most determinedly blind koolaid drinker will be able to deny it.
Cataclysmic, even – ala “Help = Betrayal”. Betrayal, in the name of help. Betrayal of those who wanted nothing but to help, and dedicated their lives to doing so.
This is a bad, bad, bad button – wow.
But then, I could also say, “Fuck them”, because they REFUSED TO LOOK.
We were koolaid addicts too, most of us here. God knows I was. As little as 5 years ago, if someone had criticised Scientology to me I would have been very upset and probably cut comm.
We were KA drinkers and yet we…well, I just don’t get it. How are we different from these people? We were just as dedicated, if not more so. Yet we were willing to look, and we saved ourselves and disconnected from the suppression. But THEY can’t?
Somehow I’m having trouble buying this.
OK, I’m going to end this James Joycean mental ramble because I’m still on the fence about whether to have compassion for those who stubbornly refuse to look. (By the way, I’m drawing a distinction between UTRs and those who are still really on board.)
I know I should have compassion and I want to have it. When the time comes, I hope I do have it. Any insights from any of you along this line will be greatly appreciated.
When you see your loved ones after such a long time, you will open your arms. What else is there to do? They will feel stupid, hoodwinked, ashamed and a host of other emotions for having believed for so long in a mirage. Your loved ones will need you more than ever.
Hi Aquamarine, Sad & amazing posts today.Tears myself for all those disconnected for so long.You posted a sensitive & interesting point.My take from my experience now was that it actually took me years & years to get all the Kool Aid out of me.When I really look it was not until this blog & that is 42 years after I joined SO that I finally threw my packet I had kept all these yrs of photos letters & poems I had sent to Ron & Mary Sue,although she did take so much shit from & for him.The day I did that I felt I was finally able to communicate fully what had been done to me.Even though I knew I had to get out from the beatings & yellings & no food it took yrs to see that part of me had still been hard wired to the tech & the dream turned nightmare.You know what I mean. I see those still in who stubbornly refuse to look as @ times think they are getting what they deserve especially if they are my age & still take $ as fast as they can reg it.I don’t know if we were different from those still in as much as we had a fire inside that was part of our being not implanted by Ron or David Miscavige & when it burst into flame we knew we were on the wrong path & got out.I still need to have a lot more compassion than I sometimes do.I’m trying too. Always Ann B.
Yes, the dilemmas associated with being a social personality can be confronting sometimes?
However, the hard core RCS thugs who revel in that criminal organisation’s power don’t deserve your compassion. There’s a huge difference between someone serving on a post and leaving because they realised what they were involved with was wrong compared to the eager beaver brown nosing swine of a human being who coerces others with threats of banishment to coldly tear a child away from their parents or dissolve someone’s marriage or separate love ones and see it as a necessity of their religion, or because they do it to please their seniors or dm. There are some truly sick fucks in the RCS, don’t discount that. Disconnection is evil and needs to be stamped out.
The onerous is not so much on you to dispense justice or draw judgement but rather the guilty to convince everyone they have honestly changed their ways for the better and offer convincing compensation/penance of some sort. And if they don’t, won’t or can’t – you’ve got yourself a real enemy – deal with it or hand them on to someone who can.
For what it’s worth, as a never in, my impression from reading this blog is that CoS is an unbelievably powerful mind control operation, because most of the commenters here are brilliant, articulate, amazing people…if people as smart as all of you could be blinded for so long, it just speaks to the power of the cult. I feel so sorry for anyone still drinking the Kool Aid… CoS IS crumbling though, and their world is going to change soon, whether they’re ready or not.
All people are different in when one joined, why one joined, when one started to look / question, when and how one left, what occurred after leaving (to ones-self and loved ones) and how / when (if at all) one “stopped drinking the kool aid”. Not to mention the steps one took once outside the influence of Co$ to repair/remedy/reflect on ones thoughts, beliefs and actions when still in.
You will have compassion when the time comes because you have it already – for yourself and others. You wouldn’t be posting on boards such as this one, if you didn’t. When you feel your compassion for those still fully indoctrinated to be faltering, let it. It’s going to happen, and probably a lot. Then let your compassion rebuild as you recall how hard it was for yourself to “wake up”.
Remember that each one is different. It is up to each one to find their way. All others can do is be available when those in need reach out, as hopefully others were for you. Not to judge, not to accuse, not to punish. To listen, help and guide as needed. That is compassion – having awareness of the pain and suffering of others, and only wish to help relieve it.
That is what I have gathered from the wise words of all of you. Keep hope alive.
Truly heart wrenching. For 5 years I have been living with the despair brought about by the disconnection of my father. And for the first time I get to see it from an outside point of view. Something has shifted for me. I know my father still loves me. I know he misses me. I know he wants to meet his only granddaughter. I wasn’t seeing that before. I was only focusing on the rejection. The idea that he didn’t want me in his life anymore.
I believe that by changing the way we view our past we can alter our future. Before I looked at this as an end to the story but now I see it differently. This is not the end. It is merely Act 1. This story is not over yet. I will get my father back.
With you there Jamie. It IS going to happen. No matter how hard the people inside the bubble try to pretend they are OK with not seeing their children/grandchildren/parents or best friends, it must eat away at them constantly. Especially when they are reminded that you still exist and you still love them. What joy Veda would bring to him…
Thank you for responding. I’m familiar with The Goldberg story. I see the complexity more clearly now. And your explanation of what CoS offers for a person walking in off the street – also makes a poignant reality. I will continue to hope and pray for those who are subjects of
disconnection. I can’t fathom having to pick between your children. Lose/lose. But one can never abandon hope.
Much gratitude for using your talent to help expose and inform people of this horrendous practice. And Ty once again for replying and the suggested reading. I’m heading over to Marty’s site right now.
With you as well. My daughter is in SO and joined after I left and got declared. I am sure they told her “well to handle suppression and help you dad to get back IN, you have to join”. Well was hard for her and for me. I know she loves me and I love her. I miss her and she misses me too… Just send an email to the org she is IN but no answer yet … Don’t think I will get one anyway 🙂
I don’t know you, but your story was suggested to me and I just finished reading it on Marty’s site. I’m crying typing this. I’m so very very sorry. I too share an extra special bond with my father and can’t fathom what you went and must still be going through. I pray with all my heart that you and your father once again get to share cookies together and a long hug.
Words can’t provide anything close to what I wish I could express to you. May you continue to share your love with your soul mate and though I don’t know you, I believe in my heart that your Daddy thinks about you with deep love everyday, as you no doubt do as well.
My thoughts, as inadequate as they are, are with you both – hoping for the day when you’re together again.
This “cartoon” is based on a true story. The father and daughter are real people.
The father in his heart of hearts worships and loves his daughter.
I can’t begin to fathom the viciousness of the lies he must have been told
about his daughter to drive him to the point of fleeing from her after she
abandoned the church. I once knew the father and he is of a character that others took care
not to insult or offend. I warn those of you who fed him these lies… be very far away
from him when he discovers the truth. He may say he’s a scientologist and really works hard
to live up to what his concept of being a scientologist is but he knows he’s a father. He spends
his days recalling past images and creating future images of being with his daughter.
He will discover the truth.
Yes, those all too knuckleheaded morons in the RCS are about to get a real taste of what a motivator is in the real world in the not too distant future.
Those people behind the scenes braking people’s families apart all on the pretence of freedom have already sacrificed their own the moment they engaged upon that despicable practice. They will scurry for cover and cower in whatever shadows they can crawl into upon the collapse of the RCS. But we know who you are, and like the NAZI hunters after WW2 a whole new game will develop hunting them down and exposing them. Many a father, son, mother and daughter will seek natural justice when their reunion has the truth come out of why they were separated – look out you SOBs!
What do you think the chances are of this father getting back to his daughter? It’s very easy for me to make the following statement as I’m a never-in, and have only read extensively and talked to former and a few current CoSers which in no way qualifies me as an expert or with a right to judge – I’m more looking for a hopeful response, but how, if he takes being a father seriously, loves his little girl so much, and dreams about being in her life again…can he let it stand? If he is of a hardy disposition why didn’t he ask his daughter about the lies (maybe he did, please keep in mind I’m a never in and have limited information about this situation)? I’m so very close to my Father. Likethisifyougetmydrift, nospacesjustlove. After losing a child to death and his fatherly obligations that he takes very seriously, and the simple yet so complex nature of love, I know there isn’t a thing in the world that could separate us.
I put myself in that strip you wrote and couldn’t imagine the pain or event ever happening, no matter what lies were told about me. I put myself in his shoes and came to the same conclusion, but of course the missing piece is never being subjected to the CoS as well as comparing it to my Daddy’s fortitude. Again, the big piece is no involvement in CoS, but knowing his love is just as strong for her now, and he has a strong will to be with her…I’m just dumbstruck.
Please tell me what you think the odds are of them reuniting? This strip has been on my mind since it was posted. I posted on the Bunker for people to come check it out. It crosses my mind so many times a day and I’ve fallen to sleep at night with it on my mind since Friday and see no end to that in the near future. Please, please give me your guess. I’m beyond heart sick about this (and others going through this too). I want all who are disconnected to be reunited, but as you seem to know a bit about these two specifically; I’m praying for a rainbow for these two and others, and won’t stop. Forgive my ignorance on the assumptions I made as a never in, and basing it on my relationship with my Dad, but please tell me what you think will be the outcome if you had to venture a guess. Thank you so very much for all you do.
Hi Bravebloggers,
There’s a lot more to the story that doesn’t appear in the cartoon. There are two daughters. One is still in the church and one has left. Look up Jamie’s Adventure on Mark Rathbun’s Blog. Also read Sara Goldberg’s story on both Mike Rinder’s and Tony Ortega’s sites. If the father in our story were to decide today to leave scientology in order to re-unite with his daughter who has left the church the the other daughter would be forced to disconnect from him. That is a dilema that only a person living it could possibly describe.
The really insane part of all of this (from a cartoonist’s point of view) is that if you were to walk into a scientology church and told them you were having marital problems or difficulty in your relations with your children, they would offer to help. They would work to convince that no matter how bad things are, they can provide you with the tools to fix it. You would be told “something can be done about it.” You would leave with a feeling of hope and gratitude that someone cares. You would be brought to believe that only with scientology could you possibly have a sane, healthy relation with your family. What they won’t tell you is that the kick in the teeth won’t come until you are totally invested in that religion.
Hubbard wrote a science fiction story in which the bad guy is constantly looking for ‘leverage’ so he can control others. That’s what scientology today does. It collects leverage on it’s parishoners in order to keep them in line. The guy who thinks he owns scientology is not a brilliant or great person. He’s just a little coward who happens to have a lot of leverage on a lot of people. That, in his estimation is power.
Hi Regraded Being, With Dad’s Day coming up I wanted to thank you for the humbling & sad & truthful post for the week.Also your reply to Bravebloggers hit home.Especially the leverage on parishioners to keep them in line.As I have said here today yesterday I finally threw out the last of my Ron letters that I had kept all these long years because I went back & found an old post from Mike before I found him & the blog about the fact that Ron never wrote them.Someone knew very personal details about me & kept that comm going until the GOI with Bill Earls in charge of me took over.Then anything I wrote on the SO # 1 line was sent on to him.I mean it had been 40+ yrs & I just now really know & see this! How very powerful the bs was & is for those still in.Love U Ann B.
Hi Ann, I once went to a fundraising event where a person there had a letter supposedly written by Ron. It was sealed in plastic and treated with reverence and awe. I was still quite in but I found the whole thing comical. It reminded me of another religion that displays holy relics that people kneel before and kiss and pray to. The Sea Org gang somehow worked the whole deal into getting more money from the public there. It was like Ron was supposed to be present with us through that letter and he wanted everyone to donate more money. I believe there is absolutely nothing they will not do for money.
” When You Left A Part of me Left Too
The Sun refused to Shine
The sky didn’t seem as blue.
When you left the stars didn’t seem as bright
They tucked behind the moon,
They faded in the night. ” ( BabyBunker)
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I am crying for everyone who is disconnected from their loved ones. My heart breaks in a million pieces for each and every story. I’m sorry. I wish I could wrap you all in Bubble wrap so that you will never have to feel pain again. I can’t do that. But I can continue fighting for you.
Hi Brian,I have tried to post you about Q & every time it is blocked.Let me see if this one works.Q told me he was gay & that Ron was really angry.Before he went back to Saint Hill we would laugh together & he would send me little cartoons & captions he had drawn in the pages of the Advance mag.It was after he went back that I never heard from him again & Ron started badgering me for photos.The day Q passed I became violently ill,& went to Qual.That was when the GOI totally took me over because I had told Qual that something very very bad had happened to Q,As I understand it Indies believe that the tech can be used for auditing & to help outside the cos.I grant them their viewpoint but I could never separate Ron or David from the policies.After months of the GOI wringer & all the names & sec checks & evil I was called I started to know Ron was a sob & anti Christ because the love he professed was actually control for $ & souls.Now I am free & can write to you both.Always Ann B.
Happened to me too. It rips your guts out to lose family. I hate this destructive control measures. it hurts everyone involved. If my kids only knew how much I think about them and how much love is there but cant be communicated. I blame myself for getting them involved in the first place. But I did get a short call from one of the kids when FSO was regging for services. U could just feel the evil presence of the reg or MAA on mute on the other line listening in and telling them what to say. Scientology creates lying narcissists. I know. I became one. I was broken by their system. I thank God for the opportunity to get free from their mind altering programming. It has taken a great deal if work and the help of new family and their loving compassion to overcome my own character flaws. They were many. I don’t really know if I can ever get fully free from all they gave me. (it ain’t good)
One day, this series will go down in history with Hogarth, Nash, Herblock, and other famous illustrators who addressed public issues forcefully and honestly in their day.
I would like to suggest to Regraded Being that he try to get this cartoon published widely in the regular press. The world needs to know this. And even if they already know it, they need to be reminded of the abuses. Political satire cartoons have done a lot to change things in our history. So let’s use your cartoon on disconnection to get the horrible policy a much wider viewing audience.
Hi Cindy,
Thanks but the problem with my cartoons is that most of them are written in Scientologese. People that have never been in or have at least researched the subject will not get the message on some of the cartoons. Nevertheless, once Mike posts them you and anyone who wishes may forward them to whatever audience you feel should see them. Use Facebook, twitter, email, repost on other web sites or even print and hand out to your favorite body-routers or OSA people.
My preferred audience are those who are still in. As a matter of fact, Fathers day is just around the corner. Todays cartoon would be a great gift to any Father you might know who is still on lines.
Wow this one really got me – I had to stifle a sob actually. More than one wise teacher has taught that expressing our love is just as necessary to our happiness as being loved – sometimes more necessary. As an emotionally mushy individual I can’t fathom the suffering parents and children have had to endure cut off from one another. That kind of cruelty is something I just can’t wrap my head around.
And yet this cruelty is highly condoned in this cult, Alice. I’ve shed a few tears today reading some of the posts. It’s just so hard to fathom how these people can stoop to such behavior. But, their brainwashing is pretty good. And that’s truly unfortunate….
I have to say how wonderful it is to simply experience the emotions and not have to question! Not saying the emotions are always of laughter or need to be. Being able to express them all is where it is at without feeling the need for auditing …….or that other version of ‘I’m not auditing you’ (I’m collecting data which can and will be used against you).
I was talking to a Scientology staff member a few years back when she told me the disconnection policy had been canceled. I had to remind her that I had been in the Sea Org and knew the real policy. She was like, “oh.”
Gotta love the Cult of Scientology. ANYONE, after seeing this, who STILL thinks that SCN, EL Con, or his successor and the “tek” are good, is completely INSANE. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Judging from the comments of the daughter and father there is no need to do a handle and certainly no need for
disconnection….no PTS situation. It is obvious they both love and miss each other very much. John McMasters once said a majority of the PTS situations were being caused by the one who was PTS. A person above stated Miscavige is a good student of Hubbard. I would say a very creative student of Hubbard. Miscavige has used the fair game policy (one which should be shredded) to apply pressure to keep his flock in line. When he does this he puts people in the position of causing false PTS situations as above. Now that this false PTS situation has been created there has to be an SP in Miscaviges point of view. Of course that SP is the one who does not agree with Miscavige. The only handle in this situation is that the “SP” has to agree with Miscavige so in essence there is really no handle step at all…..only agree with me or be declared. I and many others always used the handle step and never considered the disconnection step when doing a PTS handling in the ’70’s and very early ’80’s. Since Miscavige came onto the scene disconnections/declares dwarf the number of declares/disconnections from the “70’s and first couple years of the ’80’s. Yes Miscavige is a very creative fellow who has accomplished taking the common sense factor totally out of the picture and made his whole flock PTS to him…..just where he wants it. All because he had the fair game policy to work with.
Potpie, DM is following LRH policy correctly. ANYONE who attacks El Con, The Church of S, or its higher execs ARE SP’s. You just are not familiar enough with everything El Con ordered on this subject. Not by a long way apparently.
Regraded being made me cry. In thinking about this, I wish there was an easy way to get through to those who disconnect. But they have been convinced that it is what they should do. I guess the only course of action that one can take is to continue to let the person know that you still love them and always will and that you want to reconnect and will be there for them with open arms and unconditional love.
Wishing strength to those who are going through this, sending love your way and hoping one day very soon you and your family member will be back together again.
This one certainly hits home with me. It has been 10 1/2 years since I have been able to speak to/see my daughter. I do get bits and pieces of information over time, however, and the latest news is she is expecting her first child in July. I am hoping that becoming a parent will change her perspective on disconnection. Then again, there is also the hope that there won’t be a Co$ to “follow” before long!
bernster52, I’m so very sorry that disconnection has invaded your life through your daughter. 10 1/2 years is a long time not to hug your daughter. We all hope, of course, that she will wake up and come home. In the meantime, you have quite a bit of support on this blog from these amazing posters. My wish for you is a knock at the door. And when you open it, it’s your daughter saying, “Dad, I’m home for good.”
I see a movie here and after Going Clear (book and documentary) and the 2008 4chan protests, a lot of interest in this subject. Of course, you’ll have to get over the ‘Tom Cruise objects’ stuff, but that won’t be very hard. Even Hollywood is tired of his crap.
Mike, you may have a future in dystopian young adult novels. Just paint a world run by $cienos……
I am about to write letters to my two children letting them know what I know. They are both involved in Scn. I have a responsibility of course as their father to show them the truth and hope that they see what is really happening. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done, knowing the possible consequences.
John – Unsolicited suggestion, but FWIW – If they’re deep in the Co$, one of your best approaches is probably asking instead of telling. If you can open and maintain a conversation, your “persona” will come across – even if it’s something like casually mentioning the restaurant you ate at last night, not being able to decide between beige or brown leather for furnishings, getting a sunburn at the beach, almost hitting a tree skiing, etc.. anything you used to do. They’ll compare to what they’re doing, and make up their own minds. It’s called punching buttons, and maybe it’s a bit dirty, but it’s effective. They’ll recognize “good roads, good weather” and “that’s OK,” but probably won’t see all the content you are including. If your own opposition to their choices shows, they are r-a-w on that already from general opposition, and their shutters go up, the wagons circle. Honey v. vinegar. “How are you doing?” “Oh, great, everything is perfect and upstat and we’re producing like crazy with new statuses all the time and GAT II is super-powering the world!” “Great! Glad to hear you’re making it go right!” ” … only our stats didn’t do so well this week.” “Huh. Are you applying tech correctly?” “Well … maybe that’s the problem, but it’s hard to tell when it keeps changing ….” “What changed? Did YOU change something?” You become their orientation. If OSA can plant spies as “friends” then you can do the same – be friend. You can’t make them come to your life, but you can have your life there for them to see and come to. I don’t now if this would apply to your scene, but generally, steer away from any problem. :let them bring it up. You talk about everything BUT the church. Good luck.
Maybe reading Rick Ross’ “Cults Inside Out: How People Get In and Can Get Out” and then writing? (And, yes, getting them to ask questions is what’s recommended.)
bob lannon, don’t hold yer breath. This has been going on in Scn for >45 years and was ordered by El Con Hubbard Himself. It is His way of creating stable, happy parents so that children do well.
That gal in the cartoon could be my daughter..and she has tried for over 26 years to have a relationship with her father. He has attempted to disconnect from her 3 times..and this last time I think has stuck. Of the first two times she wouldn’t let him..she kept bombarding him with love and letters and phone calls (spread out over years).. but he finally, during this last 2 years .. faded out and quit even pretending to want a relationship with her.. because I have been declared (apparently.. although there was never any SCN per policy approved ethics hearing etc..lolol). I guess I was spied upon reading Mike or Tony or whatever.. The first couple of times he tried to make her choose between her aunt and him. He is cowardly and he is completely brainwashed after over 40 years in the SO. We are done. However, should the light go on and he leaves.. we are here for him in any way to help him have a decent last decade or so. As with anyone who leaves…you all have open arms out here. Although you might have a lot of apologizing to do to a lot of folks.
My family member is still in the SO but thankfully we are no longer disconnected. Just the are “good roads fair weather” communication but we on the outside are trying to keep the door open, using Steve Hassan’s Freedom of Mind approach, reminding of the good times we had as family, of the love we still have, that we will be there forever for each other. But forever is a long time, I do not want to wait that long.
I only WISH my son had the mental wherewithal to feel the way the SO father does. Mine would be walking away thinking, “You’re the one that tore this family apart by believing David Miscavige is an abusive sociopath. All you had to do was go in and get a beautiful sec check and get your overts off on David Miscavige. You would have F/Ned and felt really good and you could have saved our family.”
Fast forward 30 years with my son kneeling over my gravestone sobbing, “Oh God mom, you tried to tell me; I didn’t believe you. I hurt you so much. I wish I could tell you that I’m sorry and how much I love you.”
Heartbreaking…
Yet, this is what is happening. I have also been on the receiving end of that same accusation, in just about those exact same words. I know I am not the only one either.
I hope things change soon and that you are reunited with your son.
Thank you, Abby. I wish the same for you and all families and loved one broken apart by this evil, vile, despicable man named David Miscavige and his minions.
McCarran, I had your picture also when I read RB’s comic today: All the Still Ins finding out the truth at some point, and overwhelmed at how wrong they were, and at how they wronged their loved ones. God help those whose realizations come too late. Well do I know what it is to live with that knowledge, that its too late, and one can do nothing to make up the damage.
McCarran and Abby – No, not funny and heartbreaking. I can easily see and hear those words being spoken because it’s how Scientologists speak sometimes and this should not be.
I hope and pray that you both are reunited with your sons or family members very soon. The same for everyone else here who is either disconnected from or estranged from their loved ones.
I know, Mary! We all want your son back in your arms. There is evil in many groups. But, scientology personifies it. It’s part of their collective DNA. Keeping a son from his mother is beyond belief. But since this is an “The end justifies the means” cult, they can and do justify all of their criminal acts for the so-called “greater good.”
I have a wog question, when a scientologist’s kids join the sea org or other entity, are parents required to sign their parental rights away to the church? If so, doesn’t that alert children’s services or any governmental agency that is supposed to protect them? Thanks, lz
Dad sobs on the other side of the door. It’s just a matter of time before he surmounts his shame and opens it. The other guy decides to call his mom. We presume he’s neglected her and feels guilty about it and wants to go from being wrong to being right. I’m thinking a good definition of “taking responsibility” is, going from being wrong to being right in a way understandable to a child.
Thank you Ron, for such a wonderful doctrine. All these GE’s with their downtoned needs for family bonding must be denied their MEST goals for the sake of world sanity.
Don’t let these meat body homo saps blanketed by the GE’s need for family affection get in the way of clearing the planet. This is a deadly serious game.
Those tears are just the GE wanting to build and build and build meat bodies.
We want to save all mothers and fathers and family members from becoming rocks.
What’s one or two or three or a thousand broken hearts suffering when we are saving the whole universe.
This is a tough universe and only the lions survive!!!
I am not going to let these GE’s determine the fate of mankind.
Sorry mom, dad, sister, brother, grandma and friends. I’m doing this for you own good and the for the planet.
It hurts me deeply, but I’ll run out this secondary and realize that my connections of love to you is only based on an engram.
Thank you Ron for the truth. You are the only one to escape from earth’s prison planet.
Thank you DM for helping us to sort out our priorities and being tough on these GE psychos craving MEST emotions.
ONWARDS TO PLANETARY CLEARING.
If the savior of mankind can dis his family to save the world so can I.
Follow Ron’s example:
When things got tough for Ron he betrayed his wife
Ron hated Nibs
Quinten needed to die, he was gay and that’s bad PR. We are clearing the universe.
Here the Psychlos are trying to suppress us. I am only forwarding this link to warn meat body humans of the lies the GE influenced homo saps are trying to trap all mankind with.
We must train mankind to accept with a high sense of duty that being abused is for their own good.
Yes, the kids should call their mums and the dads should come and talk to their kids.
“the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” is only true for those who let it be true, and isn’t it odd how the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology always trump all other dynamics?
My daughter disconnected from me over the phone. She was crying when she told me that she couldn’t have me in her life anymore due to my criticisms of DM. Looking back and remembering her responses to my questions, I’m sure OSA was on the phone with her listening to our conversation.
Gail, I’m so sorry for your loss. My kids disconnected from me by phone in an MAA’s office (or OSA) on a conference call. I didn’t get one last hug, to touch their hair, to touch their face, to smell their scent, to see them. They believed all the Black PR that the MAA and OSA told them about me. A lifetime of love gone up in smoke in less than a minute. Disconnection has been around a long time and in that time, the church has honed it and refined it to know exactly what to say to kids to turn them against their loving parents and to convince them that they don’t love their parents. This is the shame that is Scientology.
That’s exactly how I felt after the call. “A lifetime of love gone up in smoke in less than a minute”. Shortly after the call I texted her telling her I loved her and I would always be there if she needs anything. I’m sorry for your loss too…it’s a nightmare.
Hi Cindy,I am so sorry for what happened to your family & all those posting here after Regraded Being’s heart felt & heartwrenching post.I can honestly say with all I went through I would go through it all again if it would reunite all of you with your loved ones free & out of the prison that is the cos.XO Ann B.
I’ve heard that MAAs tell kids the only way they are related to their parents is just through the body connection. And nothing else. Guess that makes it easier for them to disconnect from their family. This cult is just a shade above Jonestown…
I’m very sorry to hear this Gail. No doubt OSA was on the phone or sitting there coaching your daughter as she disconnected from you.
It’s so important to them that the act of Disconnection is carried out. So much is hinged on this; a person’s “eternity”. It’s such a waste of precious life.
I’m sure OSA is there listening in some form so they can dead agent anything you say during the conversation. They also “handle” your family member (I’m sure this is something drilled by OSA staff) so that they continue to think they did the right thing. God knows what they’ve told my daughter and all the other kids about their parents. This is a group with no boundaries when it comes to this stuff.
Are you kidding? Not only do they coach them, but the MAA or other church terminals are on the phone line while they talk to you, coaching them. And in the EPF, which is the boot camp for new recruits when they first join the SO, they won’t let you call home unless the MAA is there listening to your phone call. You have to CSW to phone home and the MAA must be there listening when you call. That’s how it was in 2006, and it might even be worse now. They have to listen and monitor and prevent you from saying things like, “I hate it here; come rescue me!”
Ok- I’m not religious at all, but when I read your remarks, and the remarks of other disconnected family, the words Jesus told his followers in the biblical story ‘I go to prepare a place for you..’ I hope it comforts you to know, because of your courage, your children have a safe place to land when the crazy is too much.
This one left me with tears streaming down my face. My heart goes out to all those who are hurting from disconnection today including you Mike. Thanks for the strength to do the right thing.
You forgot to mention Regraded Being – that the guy running from his daughter was a Grade I completion (A Communications Release) and had trained all the way up to a Class Five Auditor.
According to his “wins” on his “Suck-cess Story” he attested to after completing the Communications Release….
He can and is willing to talk to anyone about anything …
well, except his family who found out the truth or about Scientology and left AND all the crimes and shattered lives of others that he has personally witnessed in his 40 years of “saving mankind”.
Yeah – those Bigots that want to ruin that for others….
Everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was Legal.
David Miscavige legally owns the Pen name L. Ron Hubbard
so anything that he writes on a whim that he signs as L.Ron Hubbard
is all legal,tax free, and defended by a hoard of lawyers,PI’s , celebrities ,
and zealots. Like those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
Mike, smart to move RB’s posts to Friday as they are not funny. This one had me and I see many others in tears. It’s a tough situation because it is hard to figure out what to really do effective about it. BasketBallJane once reminded me that they are under orders to disconnect but we are not. It’s OK to write, call, text, email, send pictures – anything you can do to let them know they are still loved and we think of them every day and hope they are fine and we love them. Go for it 🙂 It’s been since 2013 July 29th and 31st that I got the phone calls from 2 of my 4 ~ I’ve cried so much but at least they are both alive and there is hope.
We also don’t want them having to go through like Mary’s mention of them sobbing on our graves because they now realize the truth and know they made a mistake. And OMG if one of them died in this position …. not good for us.
Be strong everyone hurt by disconnection ~ hopefully it won’t be long now. It will be over soon I’m thinking 🙂
Hi IYawnalot,Thank you for your post.I was posting about compassion in general not the hard hard core ones who refuse to ever look.Compassion for those coming out & those just out & even compassion for the cancers I have from my time in SO.Because if I don’t have some compassion for my body trying to fight I would be a very bitter angry sad old lady all the time & I don’t want to be that way.As for handling enemies I certainly can & will do that if I fell I need to.Take Care Ann B.
Like a bullet to the soul this cartoon of reality went. Just devastating. My deepest sympathy to all who suffer, have suffered, and sadly, will suffer this in the future.
I’m a never in, but I’m someone who cared for both elderly parents until they passed, I’m so grateful for that time and chance to care for them, I will stay ever hopeful that disconnected families will reconnect in time, before it’s too late…I’m so sorry for all of you who have endured this pain.
Well, thankfully for me, my immediate family was evidently a bit smarter than me – from the get-go, they wanted absolutely nothing to do with $cientology, no matter what “dissemination technique” I tried to apply. I guess I was either too soft sell or my ethics was out, as a former (now dead) registrar would like me to believe. In actuallity, I could never “body route” anybody as I didn’t like the idea of the use of force in trying to get someone to follow a “religious philosophy”. Besides, if the technology was so workable, you wouldn’t have to bang someone in the back of the head with a baseball bat to get them to check it out. It went against my grain as I felt it was a bit disrespectful of the other person.
Of course, according to Ron, non-$cientologists are just lowly “wogs” and aren’t bright enough to make a decision. Therefore, the Clears and OTs who know better must make the decision for them.
Of course, according to Ron, only the abberated have secrets; only the criminal needs privacy.
Of course, according to Ron, “democracy” is an evil word and the best form of government is a “benevolent monarchy/dictatorship”, never mind that “benevolent” is really just a point of view.
Of course, according to Ron, it’s better to tell “shore stories” and “acceptable truths” than to create a PR flap, never mind that the lying itself creates PR and legals problems.The C of $ has to continually lie about almost everything: it’s rapid expansion, it’s benevolent dictator David “Let Him Die” Miscavige, it’s disconnection policy, it’s “idle morgue” scam, it’s IAS scam, etc. It even has to lie about what $cientolgy can do for the individual. Just ask yourself if you’ve ever met an OT with all the abilities described in History of Man. Ask yourself if you’ve ever even met a Clear with a perfectly functioning rational mind as described in DMSMH. Most OT 8s I’ve had the “pleasure” of meeting are unstable nut jobs. Cray Cray!
Of course, according to Ron, he wishes that the C of $ didn’t have to charge exorbitant amounts of money for services, but hey, “free service equals free fall” and who would want to reward all these downstats and degraded beings? One thing for sure: L. Ron Hubbard wasn’t was a Communist, especially when it came to his own finances and lifestyle. Miscavige is just following in his footsteps by creating his own “benevolent dictatorship”. However, if one looks to past history for examples of a “benevolent dictatorship”, one quickly realizes that it is an oxymoron in the same sense as “compassionate cult”.
I should actually thank my family for never joining the cult with me, because when I was Fitness Boarded out of the Sea Org, and kicked to the curb with NO severance after six years of employment, it was my wog-world mom and dad who welcomed me back with open arms and had a bed I could sleep in until I could get back on my feet. I still remember fondly my first few weeks out of the SO “decompressing”, where all I did was eat, sleep, exercise, catch up on my movies, etc. It felt so good to be out of a controlling cult and enjoying life. Because my family was never “in”, I was outside the reach of the tenacles of the cult; I always had a “safe harbor”.
Yes, I still occasionally (rarely) get Sea Org nightmares, but they are just that, thank God! Back in the Sea Org, I was living that nightmare every day while at the same time lying to myself about how on purpose I was, how much good for the planet I was doing, etc. In short, I was self deluded, which is the worst kind of delusion because it’s the hardest to undo: you did it to yourself.
THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY OUT!
It’s a long process.
Does Scientology own the sidewalk in front of the Flag Building entrance, or is it legal to picket there provided you don’t block access to the parishioners arriving for the running and Superpower rundowns?
Well… this is exactly what happened with my kid. I got declared and she did not really want to disconnect. We were so closed but the entire family on her mother’s side are $cn-ists. Well hoping she is doing well. Missing her and I know she misses me too.
Happy Father’s Day, and especially to all of you dads who wait, in what must seem an eternity for their kids to regain a semblance of decency and sanity to finally return. No matter what you did, or were perceived to have done, NOBODY or any group should have such an influence or persuasion to either encourage or even require a son or daughter to let go from dad, unless it was truly abuse or evil that was committed against their children. One does not just “let go” of flesh and blood, and to those who suffer from disconnection; moms, dads, kids, and friends, keep up the fight, and may you reunite happily, and soon. End the insanity and injustice of family disconnection in any way possible. It’s even worse than the thievery.
OSA, do you see all these stories?
Messed up the coding the first time.
Still lacking the words, so have an image instead.
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“I warn those who fed him these lies…be very far away…He will discover the truth”.
OMG.
What a huge collective upheaval its going to be once the truth about Co$ is out there to the degree that not even the most determinedly blind koolaid drinker will be able to deny it.
Huge.
Cataclysmic, even – ala “Help = Betrayal”. Betrayal, in the name of help. Betrayal of those who wanted nothing but to help, and dedicated their lives to doing so.
This is a bad, bad, bad button – wow.
But then, I could also say, “Fuck them”, because they REFUSED TO LOOK.
We were koolaid addicts too, most of us here. God knows I was. As little as 5 years ago, if someone had criticised Scientology to me I would have been very upset and probably cut comm.
We were KA drinkers and yet we…well, I just don’t get it. How are we different from these people? We were just as dedicated, if not more so. Yet we were willing to look, and we saved ourselves and disconnected from the suppression. But THEY can’t?
Somehow I’m having trouble buying this.
OK, I’m going to end this James Joycean mental ramble because I’m still on the fence about whether to have compassion for those who stubbornly refuse to look. (By the way, I’m drawing a distinction between UTRs and those who are still really on board.)
I know I should have compassion and I want to have it. When the time comes, I hope I do have it. Any insights from any of you along this line will be greatly appreciated.
When you see your loved ones after such a long time, you will open your arms. What else is there to do? They will feel stupid, hoodwinked, ashamed and a host of other emotions for having believed for so long in a mirage. Your loved ones will need you more than ever.
Here is what I have to say — through the iconic voice of Leonard Cohen —
(btw his life if worth at least reading on wiki)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e39UmEnqY8
Hi Aquamarine, Sad & amazing posts today.Tears myself for all those disconnected for so long.You posted a sensitive & interesting point.My take from my experience now was that it actually took me years & years to get all the Kool Aid out of me.When I really look it was not until this blog & that is 42 years after I joined SO that I finally threw my packet I had kept all these yrs of photos letters & poems I had sent to Ron & Mary Sue,although she did take so much shit from & for him.The day I did that I felt I was finally able to communicate fully what had been done to me.Even though I knew I had to get out from the beatings & yellings & no food it took yrs to see that part of me had still been hard wired to the tech & the dream turned nightmare.You know what I mean. I see those still in who stubbornly refuse to look as @ times think they are getting what they deserve especially if they are my age & still take $ as fast as they can reg it.I don’t know if we were different from those still in as much as we had a fire inside that was part of our being not implanted by Ron or David Miscavige & when it burst into flame we knew we were on the wrong path & got out.I still need to have a lot more compassion than I sometimes do.I’m trying too. Always Ann B.
Yes, the dilemmas associated with being a social personality can be confronting sometimes?
However, the hard core RCS thugs who revel in that criminal organisation’s power don’t deserve your compassion. There’s a huge difference between someone serving on a post and leaving because they realised what they were involved with was wrong compared to the eager beaver brown nosing swine of a human being who coerces others with threats of banishment to coldly tear a child away from their parents or dissolve someone’s marriage or separate love ones and see it as a necessity of their religion, or because they do it to please their seniors or dm. There are some truly sick fucks in the RCS, don’t discount that. Disconnection is evil and needs to be stamped out.
The onerous is not so much on you to dispense justice or draw judgement but rather the guilty to convince everyone they have honestly changed their ways for the better and offer convincing compensation/penance of some sort. And if they don’t, won’t or can’t – you’ve got yourself a real enemy – deal with it or hand them on to someone who can.
For what it’s worth, as a never in, my impression from reading this blog is that CoS is an unbelievably powerful mind control operation, because most of the commenters here are brilliant, articulate, amazing people…if people as smart as all of you could be blinded for so long, it just speaks to the power of the cult. I feel so sorry for anyone still drinking the Kool Aid… CoS IS crumbling though, and their world is going to change soon, whether they’re ready or not.
All people are different in when one joined, why one joined, when one started to look / question, when and how one left, what occurred after leaving (to ones-self and loved ones) and how / when (if at all) one “stopped drinking the kool aid”. Not to mention the steps one took once outside the influence of Co$ to repair/remedy/reflect on ones thoughts, beliefs and actions when still in.
You will have compassion when the time comes because you have it already – for yourself and others. You wouldn’t be posting on boards such as this one, if you didn’t. When you feel your compassion for those still fully indoctrinated to be faltering, let it. It’s going to happen, and probably a lot. Then let your compassion rebuild as you recall how hard it was for yourself to “wake up”.
Remember that each one is different. It is up to each one to find their way. All others can do is be available when those in need reach out, as hopefully others were for you. Not to judge, not to accuse, not to punish. To listen, help and guide as needed. That is compassion – having awareness of the pain and suffering of others, and only wish to help relieve it.
That is what I have gathered from the wise words of all of you. Keep hope alive.
Truly heart wrenching. For 5 years I have been living with the despair brought about by the disconnection of my father. And for the first time I get to see it from an outside point of view. Something has shifted for me. I know my father still loves me. I know he misses me. I know he wants to meet his only granddaughter. I wasn’t seeing that before. I was only focusing on the rejection. The idea that he didn’t want me in his life anymore.
I believe that by changing the way we view our past we can alter our future. Before I looked at this as an end to the story but now I see it differently. This is not the end. It is merely Act 1. This story is not over yet. I will get my father back.
Thank you RB. You’ve inspired me.
With you there Jamie. It IS going to happen. No matter how hard the people inside the bubble try to pretend they are OK with not seeing their children/grandchildren/parents or best friends, it must eat away at them constantly. Especially when they are reminded that you still exist and you still love them. What joy Veda would bring to him…
Jamie,
You inspire me.
Thank you for responding. I’m familiar with The Goldberg story. I see the complexity more clearly now. And your explanation of what CoS offers for a person walking in off the street – also makes a poignant reality. I will continue to hope and pray for those who are subjects of
disconnection. I can’t fathom having to pick between your children. Lose/lose. But one can never abandon hope.
Much gratitude for using your talent to help expose and inform people of this horrendous practice. And Ty once again for replying and the suggested reading. I’m heading over to Marty’s site right now.
BB
With you as well. My daughter is in SO and joined after I left and got declared. I am sure they told her “well to handle suppression and help you dad to get back IN, you have to join”. Well was hard for her and for me. I know she loves me and I love her. I miss her and she misses me too… Just send an email to the org she is IN but no answer yet … Don’t think I will get one anyway 🙂
Ms. Jamie,
I don’t know you, but your story was suggested to me and I just finished reading it on Marty’s site. I’m crying typing this. I’m so very very sorry. I too share an extra special bond with my father and can’t fathom what you went and must still be going through. I pray with all my heart that you and your father once again get to share cookies together and a long hug.
Words can’t provide anything close to what I wish I could express to you. May you continue to share your love with your soul mate and though I don’t know you, I believe in my heart that your Daddy thinks about you with deep love everyday, as you no doubt do as well.
My thoughts, as inadequate as they are, are with you both – hoping for the day when you’re together again.
BB
This “cartoon” is based on a true story. The father and daughter are real people.
The father in his heart of hearts worships and loves his daughter.
I can’t begin to fathom the viciousness of the lies he must have been told
about his daughter to drive him to the point of fleeing from her after she
abandoned the church. I once knew the father and he is of a character that others took care
not to insult or offend. I warn those of you who fed him these lies… be very far away
from him when he discovers the truth. He may say he’s a scientologist and really works hard
to live up to what his concept of being a scientologist is but he knows he’s a father. He spends
his days recalling past images and creating future images of being with his daughter.
He will discover the truth.
Oh RB, my heart breaks for the daughter and her father. Tears.
Perfect RB. There is hope.
Regraded Being, thanks for what you do. Your cartoons are epic
Yes, those all too knuckleheaded morons in the RCS are about to get a real taste of what a motivator is in the real world in the not too distant future.
Those people behind the scenes braking people’s families apart all on the pretence of freedom have already sacrificed their own the moment they engaged upon that despicable practice. They will scurry for cover and cower in whatever shadows they can crawl into upon the collapse of the RCS. But we know who you are, and like the NAZI hunters after WW2 a whole new game will develop hunting them down and exposing them. Many a father, son, mother and daughter will seek natural justice when their reunion has the truth come out of why they were separated – look out you SOBs!
RB,
What do you think the chances are of this father getting back to his daughter? It’s very easy for me to make the following statement as I’m a never-in, and have only read extensively and talked to former and a few current CoSers which in no way qualifies me as an expert or with a right to judge – I’m more looking for a hopeful response, but how, if he takes being a father seriously, loves his little girl so much, and dreams about being in her life again…can he let it stand? If he is of a hardy disposition why didn’t he ask his daughter about the lies (maybe he did, please keep in mind I’m a never in and have limited information about this situation)? I’m so very close to my Father. Likethisifyougetmydrift, nospacesjustlove. After losing a child to death and his fatherly obligations that he takes very seriously, and the simple yet so complex nature of love, I know there isn’t a thing in the world that could separate us.
I put myself in that strip you wrote and couldn’t imagine the pain or event ever happening, no matter what lies were told about me. I put myself in his shoes and came to the same conclusion, but of course the missing piece is never being subjected to the CoS as well as comparing it to my Daddy’s fortitude. Again, the big piece is no involvement in CoS, but knowing his love is just as strong for her now, and he has a strong will to be with her…I’m just dumbstruck.
Please tell me what you think the odds are of them reuniting? This strip has been on my mind since it was posted. I posted on the Bunker for people to come check it out. It crosses my mind so many times a day and I’ve fallen to sleep at night with it on my mind since Friday and see no end to that in the near future. Please, please give me your guess. I’m beyond heart sick about this (and others going through this too). I want all who are disconnected to be reunited, but as you seem to know a bit about these two specifically; I’m praying for a rainbow for these two and others, and won’t stop. Forgive my ignorance on the assumptions I made as a never in, and basing it on my relationship with my Dad, but please tell me what you think will be the outcome if you had to venture a guess. Thank you so very much for all you do.
Hi Bravebloggers,
There’s a lot more to the story that doesn’t appear in the cartoon. There are two daughters. One is still in the church and one has left. Look up Jamie’s Adventure on Mark Rathbun’s Blog. Also read Sara Goldberg’s story on both Mike Rinder’s and Tony Ortega’s sites. If the father in our story were to decide today to leave scientology in order to re-unite with his daughter who has left the church the the other daughter would be forced to disconnect from him. That is a dilema that only a person living it could possibly describe.
The really insane part of all of this (from a cartoonist’s point of view) is that if you were to walk into a scientology church and told them you were having marital problems or difficulty in your relations with your children, they would offer to help. They would work to convince that no matter how bad things are, they can provide you with the tools to fix it. You would be told “something can be done about it.” You would leave with a feeling of hope and gratitude that someone cares. You would be brought to believe that only with scientology could you possibly have a sane, healthy relation with your family. What they won’t tell you is that the kick in the teeth won’t come until you are totally invested in that religion.
Hubbard wrote a science fiction story in which the bad guy is constantly looking for ‘leverage’ so he can control others. That’s what scientology today does. It collects leverage on it’s parishoners in order to keep them in line. The guy who thinks he owns scientology is not a brilliant or great person. He’s just a little coward who happens to have a lot of leverage on a lot of people. That, in his estimation is power.
Hi Regraded Being, With Dad’s Day coming up I wanted to thank you for the humbling & sad & truthful post for the week.Also your reply to Bravebloggers hit home.Especially the leverage on parishioners to keep them in line.As I have said here today yesterday I finally threw out the last of my Ron letters that I had kept all these long years because I went back & found an old post from Mike before I found him & the blog about the fact that Ron never wrote them.Someone knew very personal details about me & kept that comm going until the GOI with Bill Earls in charge of me took over.Then anything I wrote on the SO # 1 line was sent on to him.I mean it had been 40+ yrs & I just now really know & see this! How very powerful the bs was & is for those still in.Love U Ann B.
Hi Ann, I once went to a fundraising event where a person there had a letter supposedly written by Ron. It was sealed in plastic and treated with reverence and awe. I was still quite in but I found the whole thing comical. It reminded me of another religion that displays holy relics that people kneel before and kiss and pray to. The Sea Org gang somehow worked the whole deal into getting more money from the public there. It was like Ron was supposed to be present with us through that letter and he wanted everyone to donate more money. I believe there is absolutely nothing they will not do for money.
” When You Left A Part of me Left Too
The Sun refused to Shine
The sky didn’t seem as blue.
When you left the stars didn’t seem as bright
They tucked behind the moon,
They faded in the night. ” ( BabyBunker)
…………………………….
I am crying for everyone who is disconnected from their loved ones. My heart breaks in a million pieces for each and every story. I’m sorry. I wish I could wrap you all in Bubble wrap so that you will never have to feel pain again. I can’t do that. But I can continue fighting for you.
Thank you, Baby.
I know that poem is meaningful and personal…and it is beautiful.
Thank you Ruby.. It was very personal to me. I appreciate your comment. Baby
Hi Brian,I have tried to post you about Q & every time it is blocked.Let me see if this one works.Q told me he was gay & that Ron was really angry.Before he went back to Saint Hill we would laugh together & he would send me little cartoons & captions he had drawn in the pages of the Advance mag.It was after he went back that I never heard from him again & Ron started badgering me for photos.The day Q passed I became violently ill,& went to Qual.That was when the GOI totally took me over because I had told Qual that something very very bad had happened to Q,As I understand it Indies believe that the tech can be used for auditing & to help outside the cos.I grant them their viewpoint but I could never separate Ron or David from the policies.After months of the GOI wringer & all the names & sec checks & evil I was called I started to know Ron was a sob & anti Christ because the love he professed was actually control for $ & souls.Now I am free & can write to you both.Always Ann B.
Happened to me too. It rips your guts out to lose family. I hate this destructive control measures. it hurts everyone involved. If my kids only knew how much I think about them and how much love is there but cant be communicated. I blame myself for getting them involved in the first place. But I did get a short call from one of the kids when FSO was regging for services. U could just feel the evil presence of the reg or MAA on mute on the other line listening in and telling them what to say. Scientology creates lying narcissists. I know. I became one. I was broken by their system. I thank God for the opportunity to get free from their mind altering programming. It has taken a great deal if work and the help of new family and their loving compassion to overcome my own character flaws. They were many. I don’t really know if I can ever get fully free from all they gave me. (it ain’t good)
Glad to hear you made it out in 2004! Keep up the good work!
One day, this series will go down in history with Hogarth, Nash, Herblock, and other famous illustrators who addressed public issues forcefully and honestly in their day.
I would like to suggest to Regraded Being that he try to get this cartoon published widely in the regular press. The world needs to know this. And even if they already know it, they need to be reminded of the abuses. Political satire cartoons have done a lot to change things in our history. So let’s use your cartoon on disconnection to get the horrible policy a much wider viewing audience.
Hi Cindy,
Thanks but the problem with my cartoons is that most of them are written in Scientologese. People that have never been in or have at least researched the subject will not get the message on some of the cartoons. Nevertheless, once Mike posts them you and anyone who wishes may forward them to whatever audience you feel should see them. Use Facebook, twitter, email, repost on other web sites or even print and hand out to your favorite body-routers or OSA people.
My preferred audience are those who are still in. As a matter of fact, Fathers day is just around the corner. Todays cartoon would be a great gift to any Father you might know who is still on lines.
Wow this one really got me – I had to stifle a sob actually. More than one wise teacher has taught that expressing our love is just as necessary to our happiness as being loved – sometimes more necessary. As an emotionally mushy individual I can’t fathom the suffering parents and children have had to endure cut off from one another. That kind of cruelty is something I just can’t wrap my head around.
And yet this cruelty is highly condoned in this cult, Alice. I’ve shed a few tears today reading some of the posts. It’s just so hard to fathom how these people can stoop to such behavior. But, their brainwashing is pretty good. And that’s truly unfortunate….
I have to say how wonderful it is to simply experience the emotions and not have to question! Not saying the emotions are always of laughter or need to be. Being able to express them all is where it is at without feeling the need for auditing …….or that other version of ‘I’m not auditing you’ (I’m collecting data which can and will be used against you).
Life outside of the cult is sooooooo good.
+1. Great post, Coop!
Knocked it out of the park on this one. Brilliant!
Quite a sobering impact this one. It says it all really and sat me down heavily to reflect, it’s no joke scientology is it?
I was talking to a Scientology staff member a few years back when she told me the disconnection policy had been canceled. I had to remind her that I had been in the Sea Org and knew the real policy. She was like, “oh.”
Gotta love the Cult of Scientology. ANYONE, after seeing this, who STILL thinks that SCN, EL Con, or his successor and the “tek” are good, is completely INSANE. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Judging from the comments of the daughter and father there is no need to do a handle and certainly no need for
disconnection….no PTS situation. It is obvious they both love and miss each other very much. John McMasters once said a majority of the PTS situations were being caused by the one who was PTS. A person above stated Miscavige is a good student of Hubbard. I would say a very creative student of Hubbard. Miscavige has used the fair game policy (one which should be shredded) to apply pressure to keep his flock in line. When he does this he puts people in the position of causing false PTS situations as above. Now that this false PTS situation has been created there has to be an SP in Miscaviges point of view. Of course that SP is the one who does not agree with Miscavige. The only handle in this situation is that the “SP” has to agree with Miscavige so in essence there is really no handle step at all…..only agree with me or be declared. I and many others always used the handle step and never considered the disconnection step when doing a PTS handling in the ’70’s and very early ’80’s. Since Miscavige came onto the scene disconnections/declares dwarf the number of declares/disconnections from the “70’s and first couple years of the ’80’s. Yes Miscavige is a very creative fellow who has accomplished taking the common sense factor totally out of the picture and made his whole flock PTS to him…..just where he wants it. All because he had the fair game policy to work with.
Potpie, DM is following LRH policy correctly. ANYONE who attacks El Con, The Church of S, or its higher execs ARE SP’s. You just are not familiar enough with everything El Con ordered on this subject. Not by a long way apparently.
Regraded being made me cry. In thinking about this, I wish there was an easy way to get through to those who disconnect. But they have been convinced that it is what they should do. I guess the only course of action that one can take is to continue to let the person know that you still love them and always will and that you want to reconnect and will be there for them with open arms and unconditional love.
Wishing strength to those who are going through this, sending love your way and hoping one day very soon you and your family member will be back together again.
– T.J.
This one certainly hits home with me. It has been 10 1/2 years since I have been able to speak to/see my daughter. I do get bits and pieces of information over time, however, and the latest news is she is expecting her first child in July. I am hoping that becoming a parent will change her perspective on disconnection. Then again, there is also the hope that there won’t be a Co$ to “follow” before long!
bernster52, I’m so very sorry that disconnection has invaded your life through your daughter. 10 1/2 years is a long time not to hug your daughter. We all hope, of course, that she will wake up and come home. In the meantime, you have quite a bit of support on this blog from these amazing posters. My wish for you is a knock at the door. And when you open it, it’s your daughter saying, “Dad, I’m home for good.”
This is what your donations buy.
The power of one sentence. Good one.
Best one yet. Bravo!
I see a movie here and after Going Clear (book and documentary) and the 2008 4chan protests, a lot of interest in this subject. Of course, you’ll have to get over the ‘Tom Cruise objects’ stuff, but that won’t be very hard. Even Hollywood is tired of his crap.
Mike, you may have a future in dystopian young adult novels. Just paint a world run by $cienos……
I am about to write letters to my two children letting them know what I know. They are both involved in Scn. I have a responsibility of course as their father to show them the truth and hope that they see what is really happening. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done, knowing the possible consequences.
John – Unsolicited suggestion, but FWIW – If they’re deep in the Co$, one of your best approaches is probably asking instead of telling. If you can open and maintain a conversation, your “persona” will come across – even if it’s something like casually mentioning the restaurant you ate at last night, not being able to decide between beige or brown leather for furnishings, getting a sunburn at the beach, almost hitting a tree skiing, etc.. anything you used to do. They’ll compare to what they’re doing, and make up their own minds. It’s called punching buttons, and maybe it’s a bit dirty, but it’s effective. They’ll recognize “good roads, good weather” and “that’s OK,” but probably won’t see all the content you are including. If your own opposition to their choices shows, they are r-a-w on that already from general opposition, and their shutters go up, the wagons circle. Honey v. vinegar. “How are you doing?” “Oh, great, everything is perfect and upstat and we’re producing like crazy with new statuses all the time and GAT II is super-powering the world!” “Great! Glad to hear you’re making it go right!” ” … only our stats didn’t do so well this week.” “Huh. Are you applying tech correctly?” “Well … maybe that’s the problem, but it’s hard to tell when it keeps changing ….” “What changed? Did YOU change something?” You become their orientation. If OSA can plant spies as “friends” then you can do the same – be friend. You can’t make them come to your life, but you can have your life there for them to see and come to. I don’t now if this would apply to your scene, but generally, steer away from any problem. :let them bring it up. You talk about everything BUT the church. Good luck.
Nickname, I love this advice. I’m storing it away for possible future use.
Aquamarine – My honor. RB in part inspired me.
Thanks Nickname, really appreciate the input.
Maybe reading Rick Ross’ “Cults Inside Out: How People Get In and Can Get Out” and then writing? (And, yes, getting them to ask questions is what’s recommended.)
Love it. This is both funny and sad, Scientology’s human rights crimes are filthy.
Someone on the inside reading these please grow up and do the right thing…
bob lannon, don’t hold yer breath. This has been going on in Scn for >45 years and was ordered by El Con Hubbard Himself. It is His way of creating stable, happy parents so that children do well.
powerful messege.
Even though it is just a cartoon it kind of gets to me. Good RB, much needed.
That gal in the cartoon could be my daughter..and she has tried for over 26 years to have a relationship with her father. He has attempted to disconnect from her 3 times..and this last time I think has stuck. Of the first two times she wouldn’t let him..she kept bombarding him with love and letters and phone calls (spread out over years).. but he finally, during this last 2 years .. faded out and quit even pretending to want a relationship with her.. because I have been declared (apparently.. although there was never any SCN per policy approved ethics hearing etc..lolol). I guess I was spied upon reading Mike or Tony or whatever.. The first couple of times he tried to make her choose between her aunt and him. He is cowardly and he is completely brainwashed after over 40 years in the SO. We are done. However, should the light go on and he leaves.. we are here for him in any way to help him have a decent last decade or so. As with anyone who leaves…you all have open arms out here. Although you might have a lot of apologizing to do to a lot of folks.
Nicely stated Ilonya. It is astonishing just how damaging life inside the cult is to the basic nature of people everywhere.
Oh my God, this is not funny. I am crying. It happened to me.
Free Minds, Free Hearts, I hope your family is back together again. Our collective hearts are with you.
My family member is still in the SO but thankfully we are no longer disconnected. Just the are “good roads fair weather” communication but we on the outside are trying to keep the door open, using Steve Hassan’s Freedom of Mind approach, reminding of the good times we had as family, of the love we still have, that we will be there forever for each other. But forever is a long time, I do not want to wait that long.
I don’t want you to wait that long either, FMFH… You need to know that all of us here are pulling for you.
You’re about to make ME cry.
I have never posted on a Scientology board, despite lurking on them for 20 years. This cartoon made me very sad.
I wish for all those who have lost family that someday, you find each other again.
Thank you, gtsix. Glad you are here.
Thanks gtsix, happy to hear your voice.
Welcome, gtsix.
I only WISH my son had the mental wherewithal to feel the way the SO father does. Mine would be walking away thinking, “You’re the one that tore this family apart by believing David Miscavige is an abusive sociopath. All you had to do was go in and get a beautiful sec check and get your overts off on David Miscavige. You would have F/Ned and felt really good and you could have saved our family.”
Fast forward 30 years with my son kneeling over my gravestone sobbing, “Oh God mom, you tried to tell me; I didn’t believe you. I hurt you so much. I wish I could tell you that I’m sorry and how much I love you.”
Somehow, my version just isn’t that funny.
Heartbreaking…
Yet, this is what is happening. I have also been on the receiving end of that same accusation, in just about those exact same words. I know I am not the only one either.
I hope things change soon and that you are reunited with your son.
Thank you, Abby. I wish the same for you and all families and loved one broken apart by this evil, vile, despicable man named David Miscavige and his minions.
McCarran, I had your picture also when I read RB’s comic today: All the Still Ins finding out the truth at some point, and overwhelmed at how wrong they were, and at how they wronged their loved ones. God help those whose realizations come too late. Well do I know what it is to live with that knowledge, that its too late, and one can do nothing to make up the damage.
RB, you do deserve a Freedom Medal.
McCarran and Abby – No, not funny and heartbreaking. I can easily see and hear those words being spoken because it’s how Scientologists speak sometimes and this should not be.
I hope and pray that you both are reunited with your sons or family members very soon. The same for everyone else here who is either disconnected from or estranged from their loved ones.
Thank you, Pepper. Me too.
I know, Mary! We all want your son back in your arms. There is evil in many groups. But, scientology personifies it. It’s part of their collective DNA. Keeping a son from his mother is beyond belief. But since this is an “The end justifies the means” cult, they can and do justify all of their criminal acts for the so-called “greater good.”
Thank you, OSD. You’re a good man.
I think your version is sadly accurate Mary. “Forgive them for they know not what they do” comes to mind.
Not so much for DLHDM and the old guard manning the SO.
I have a wog question, when a scientologist’s kids join the sea org or other entity, are parents required to sign their parental rights away to the church? If so, doesn’t that alert children’s services or any governmental agency that is supposed to protect them? Thanks, lz
Lori, no more than it does when you send off a kid to boarding school.
Dad sobs on the other side of the door. It’s just a matter of time before he surmounts his shame and opens it. The other guy decides to call his mom. We presume he’s neglected her and feels guilty about it and wants to go from being wrong to being right. I’m thinking a good definition of “taking responsibility” is, going from being wrong to being right in a way understandable to a child.
Thank you Ron, for such a wonderful doctrine. All these GE’s with their downtoned needs for family bonding must be denied their MEST goals for the sake of world sanity.
Don’t let these meat body homo saps blanketed by the GE’s need for family affection get in the way of clearing the planet. This is a deadly serious game.
Those tears are just the GE wanting to build and build and build meat bodies.
We want to save all mothers and fathers and family members from becoming rocks.
What’s one or two or three or a thousand broken hearts suffering when we are saving the whole universe.
This is a tough universe and only the lions survive!!!
I am not going to let these GE’s determine the fate of mankind.
Sorry mom, dad, sister, brother, grandma and friends. I’m doing this for you own good and the for the planet.
It hurts me deeply, but I’ll run out this secondary and realize that my connections of love to you is only based on an engram.
Thank you Ron for the truth. You are the only one to escape from earth’s prison planet.
Thank you DM for helping us to sort out our priorities and being tough on these GE psychos craving MEST emotions.
ONWARDS TO PLANETARY CLEARING.
If the savior of mankind can dis his family to save the world so can I.
Follow Ron’s example:
When things got tough for Ron he betrayed his wife
Ron hated Nibs
Quinten needed to die, he was gay and that’s bad PR. We are clearing the universe.
This doctrine is evil. This doctrine is Ron’s.
DM is a good student.
The Family Man is a GE one of the ideological sources of this depraved act: disconnection.
This sick doctrine is what gives disconnection an air of superiority and intellectual justification.
L Ron Hubbard was a sicko. Sorry Indies, but your man was a dangerous loony.
If Christ is about love, than truly Ron was an anti Christ.
Here the Psychlos are trying to suppress us. I am only forwarding this link to warn meat body humans of the lies the GE influenced homo saps are trying to trap all mankind with.
We must train mankind to accept with a high sense of duty that being abused is for their own good.
We must cause suffering to end suffering.
https://victimsofpsychopaths.wordpress.com/traumatic-bonding/
“…Ron was the anti Christ.” As he stated in the original OT8.
Yes Ol Surfer, love and understanding is a Marcarb conspiracy. I always knew something was wrong with love and understanding.
Maybe Jesus was the Marcabs commanding officer.
I got in session the other day that Mickey Mouse was a real SP who implanted Walt Disney.
Disney Land is an implant. Stay away!!!!!!!!!
For the kids sake please!!!!!!
A perfect summation of the cognitive dissonance that occurs when the real world pops the bubble a Co$ member dwells in.
My hat’s off to Regraded Being’s understanding and ability to communicate such irony so artistically.
Life on a putty knife in the COS.
Truly says it all. A story which has been repeated for decades. Cruelty to the max.
Cruelty. It permeates the cult. And the head of the Dept. of Cruelty is DAVID “LET HIM DIE” MISCAVIGE.
He makes life miserable for every SO member.
(sigh)
Pow!!! Glib bullshit stomped on by shit gettin’ real. That’s the best one yet.
Yes, the kids should call their mums and the dads should come and talk to their kids.
“the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” is only true for those who let it be true, and isn’t it odd how the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology always trump all other dynamics?
My daughter disconnected from me over the phone. She was crying when she told me that she couldn’t have me in her life anymore due to my criticisms of DM. Looking back and remembering her responses to my questions, I’m sure OSA was on the phone with her listening to our conversation.
Gail, I’m so sorry. I hope she wakes up soon.
Omg! I’m so sorry Gail. I couldn’t imagine going thru something like that!
Gail, you have the support of everyone here. We all hope your daughter wakes up. And soon…
There’s one word that describes this cult to a ‘T,’ EVIL. Evil to the core.
+1
Thank you Bob, Lori & Dude for your kind words.
Gail, I’m so sorry for your loss. My kids disconnected from me by phone in an MAA’s office (or OSA) on a conference call. I didn’t get one last hug, to touch their hair, to touch their face, to smell their scent, to see them. They believed all the Black PR that the MAA and OSA told them about me. A lifetime of love gone up in smoke in less than a minute. Disconnection has been around a long time and in that time, the church has honed it and refined it to know exactly what to say to kids to turn them against their loving parents and to convince them that they don’t love their parents. This is the shame that is Scientology.
Your kids still love you. They are also crying behind the door.
That’s exactly how I felt after the call. “A lifetime of love gone up in smoke in less than a minute”. Shortly after the call I texted her telling her I loved her and I would always be there if she needs anything. I’m sorry for your loss too…it’s a nightmare.
Hi Cindy,I am so sorry for what happened to your family & all those posting here after Regraded Being’s heart felt & heartwrenching post.I can honestly say with all I went through I would go through it all again if it would reunite all of you with your loved ones free & out of the prison that is the cos.XO Ann B.
I’ve heard that MAAs tell kids the only way they are related to their parents is just through the body connection. And nothing else. Guess that makes it easier for them to disconnect from their family. This cult is just a shade above Jonestown…
I’m very sorry to hear this Gail. No doubt OSA was on the phone or sitting there coaching your daughter as she disconnected from you.
It’s so important to them that the act of Disconnection is carried out. So much is hinged on this; a person’s “eternity”. It’s such a waste of precious life.
I’m sure OSA is there listening in some form so they can dead agent anything you say during the conversation. They also “handle” your family member (I’m sure this is something drilled by OSA staff) so that they continue to think they did the right thing. God knows what they’ve told my daughter and all the other kids about their parents. This is a group with no boundaries when it comes to this stuff.
So Mike … does the OSA do this? “Coach” the still-ins through their disconnect session?
Are you kidding? Not only do they coach them, but the MAA or other church terminals are on the phone line while they talk to you, coaching them. And in the EPF, which is the boot camp for new recruits when they first join the SO, they won’t let you call home unless the MAA is there listening to your phone call. You have to CSW to phone home and the MAA must be there listening when you call. That’s how it was in 2006, and it might even be worse now. They have to listen and monitor and prevent you from saying things like, “I hate it here; come rescue me!”
I am so sorry, my heart breaks for you. It is unimaginably evil and totally immoral to tear children from their parents.
Ok- I’m not religious at all, but when I read your remarks, and the remarks of other disconnected family, the words Jesus told his followers in the biblical story ‘I go to prepare a place for you..’ I hope it comforts you to know, because of your courage, your children have a safe place to land when the crazy is too much.
This one left me with tears streaming down my face. My heart goes out to all those who are hurting from disconnection today including you Mike. Thanks for the strength to do the right thing.
Sadly true.
You forgot to mention Regraded Being – that the guy running from his daughter was a Grade I completion (A Communications Release) and had trained all the way up to a Class Five Auditor.
According to his “wins” on his “Suck-cess Story” he attested to after completing the Communications Release….
He can and is willing to talk to anyone about anything …
well, except his family who found out the truth or about Scientology and left AND all the crimes and shattered lives of others that he has personally witnessed in his 40 years of “saving mankind”.
Yeah – those Bigots that want to ruin that for others….
Why – they ought to be shunned!
grade zero is communications – grade one is problems. Mimsey
It’s problems all the way down.
Everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was Legal.
David Miscavige legally owns the Pen name L. Ron Hubbard
so anything that he writes on a whim that he signs as L.Ron Hubbard
is all legal,tax free, and defended by a hoard of lawyers,PI’s , celebrities ,
and zealots. Like those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
One of the most powerful strips yet. Incredibly moving.
My sentiments exactly.
Excellent and uncomfortably true.
Very moving, Regraded Being. So true it hurts.
Now for something YOU and I can believe in. !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biz5kBIAtic
Cat Daddy, thanks for the link. I love that song. It’s so simply true.
Mike, smart to move RB’s posts to Friday as they are not funny. This one had me and I see many others in tears. It’s a tough situation because it is hard to figure out what to really do effective about it. BasketBallJane once reminded me that they are under orders to disconnect but we are not. It’s OK to write, call, text, email, send pictures – anything you can do to let them know they are still loved and we think of them every day and hope they are fine and we love them. Go for it 🙂 It’s been since 2013 July 29th and 31st that I got the phone calls from 2 of my 4 ~ I’ve cried so much but at least they are both alive and there is hope.
We also don’t want them having to go through like Mary’s mention of them sobbing on our graves because they now realize the truth and know they made a mistake. And OMG if one of them died in this position …. not good for us.
Be strong everyone hurt by disconnection ~ hopefully it won’t be long now. It will be over soon I’m thinking 🙂