Here is the reality of an “ideal org”.
They bring in virtually all the staff from outside the area — even from outside the COUNTRY.
In fact, they circulate a bunch of these people around from one ideal org to the next to create the appearance that there is a bustling staff ready, willing and able to serve the floods of people who will begin arriving the minute the doors open.
This has been reported plenty of times in the past.
This is the first time I have seen a black and white, blatant admission that the staff are imported for an ideal org…
“Long term berthing”… Hey, Peggy, I know an attic they can hang upside down in!
🙂 for blood suckers
Ah ha! Now I know what to call it. Scientology: The Church of Looney Tunes!
I have never been in the church. I enjoy studying various cults. In my opinion, Scientology is a dangerous and money raking cult. It needs to be fought against and stopped. D.M. needs to be put in prison.
One day I’ll wish upon a star
And wake up where the orgs are far behind me
With no more dreams of Solo Nots
Away above those ideal flops
That’s where you’ll find me
Take me with you, MJM. It sounds like OZ.
awesome lyrics!
Yes, funny! Thanks, MJM!
I really like the new words to that song! Very good.
Good one✨?✨
Aw pòor Peggy. Once she is called on the carpet to be torn a new a**, hopefully she will decide that any life is better than a life in scientology.
Good luck Peggy, and please know there are people who want to help you. Google the Aftermath Foundation, and you will find help and hope.
I was in Salt Lake City this past week.
Easter Sunday , balloons attached to chairs outside , but nobody sitting in the chairs , at lunchtime , not a soul in sight.
Next day , yellow tents in front of the org , , a few books on a table and a poor guy standing there in the cold all day , on a big street where no car can stop easily.
There is no way this org has so many staff as shown on the picture at opening day.
In the meantime , my daughter who lives there , is being disconnected from everyone.
But the interesting thing is that she is not declared , just pronounced PTS type A , connected to her declared parents.
Still she feels the sting of the label and the betrayal of those she loved.
Technically she should be declared , interesting what goes on right now with this declare thing , a slow down , a rearrangement of policy but same result as far as disconnection .
It makes very little sense.
I am writing this because my daughter was in tears when a good friend cancelled his visit.
The pain inflicted by this group , whatever the degree , is senseless and every example of it counts in exposing the insanity and abuse.
It’s interesting how the church is shifting the policy it’s applying now. Too many people not coming in or not showing up any more (because they’ve seen the show(s), read the accounts or accidentally heard the jokes on late-night TV). Dave can’t stop it.
But! That’s the thing about “Policy.” There’s plenty of it – all over the place. If the church decided to be kind, it could apply Affinity, Reality and Communication policies or a myriad of other “policy.” This church can BE whatever it wants to BE because there’s “Policy” here, there and everywhere.
First, dave tried to stop the leaks by just declaring everybody who found out he was an asshole. He’s realized that he can’t stop the “entheta” so he’s applying other policy to the situation to try to hang on to who’s left.
I’m sorry what’s happening to your daughter, Marie. And just because she didn’t want to disconnect from you. I’m proud of her.
I continue to get mail. Some guy named Michael calls me regularly from LA. I’ve blocked his number so calls go directly to voicemail. He went from berating me to claiming he knows I was on the Flagship with my parents (HA! So not with my parents), and now says that we have some “friends in common from [my] Flag days.” So he’s trying to raise the ARC through communication and reality…unfortunately his comm is unwanted and reality is that no one on Flag was my friend…especially not the chick he claims we know.
To your point Mary, the word is out there. These people are crazy and or dangerous. It has become part of workplace conversation. My daughter encountered her boss and a client discussing Aftermath and the expose stories. She is able to give an affirmation that what they are discussing and what they have read/seen/heard is true. She knows this because I’ve shared my experiences with her.
I’ve shared my experiences with co-workers and employers. I will often just tell people “everything you’ve read is true, I have first-hand experience.” It happens that I have a great deal of credibility and if I say it’s true, that carries a lot of weight. And it opens eyes.
To everyone involved…keep telling the truth. You won’t see me on TV or writing books, but I will be out here substantiation your claims and talking, personally, to those who want to know the truth.
I can’t help but feel sorry for the staff left in a year from now.
After the big wave that pushes the the org full of staff temporarily, buses in public for grand openings and first seminars…. after the inevitable receding….
you’ll have the couple die-hard locals who have propped up the long struggling org for all these decades… rattling about in an empty cavernous monolith… with no excuses and no answers and yet all the same expectations of clearing the planet.
I hope that this actually helps bring people to their senses. Their hearts are in the right place but their minds have been stolen.
Waking up is painful. But so worth it……
⚘hugs to you, secret
True, everything you said, Rip. New York Org hasn’t made a Clear in over a year per their Facebook page, and this is a M’org that’s been Ideal since 2004, entirely paid for with Miscavige’s IAS money. Each day TENS OF THOUSANDS of PEDESTRIANS traverse NY Org’s IMMEDIATE area. What’s their excuse?
I was wondering why we’d heard so little of the new Idle Morgues in Firhouse (Dublin) and Pitmaston (Birmingham) lately — presumably almost all their “new staff” have done a moonlight flit to Orlando, leaving the usual skeleton-crews behind, as in London, Basel, Amsterdam, etc, etc…
Is it just me, or is anyone else struggling with the cognitive dissonance of this sentence: “[if] you are willing to provide shelter for these upstats…” I thought the whole idea of an “upstat” was that you were able to handle all your own needs, at least.
You have the wrong definition for up stat
Up Stat definition in Scientologese means
Someone who believes everything they are told and does not question anything EVER
Idle is being funnily facetious for the benefit of the Ex-Scns., Suzette 🙂
You are quite right as re the GENERAL definition of “upstat”. which would include the ability to feed, clothe and house oneself and pay one’s bills on time.
In this particular sense, the cult is calling these people “upstat” because they’re willing and able to come and work for a while (for no money)to get this org going.
Its possible they’re poor as church mice with no careers or jobs, or,with family members who have money funding their endeavors.
Very likely the people themselves are either themselves broke or dependent upon family for their subsistence.
Wow, talk about go “on the defensive!” This is, imo, another example of a super degrading but tactical withdrawal in the mindset and lives of Scientologists, they can seek only the succour of other bubble dwellers, (by veiled but enforceable orders from above). Another indicator of the enforced rejection/disconnection of their own families in times when they should be relied upon the most. So scared are they of real life… but what really shines through here is the inability of Scientologists to survive without handouts from others in a similarly degraded situation and all in the name of expansion – expansion of what… poverty? Their “ARC” is so micromanaged and has been for so long they accept being broke after being so continually hounded to donate all they have to the scam of Scientology, they have no other options. They are bled dry continually to the point of not so camouflaged desperation. Geezer’s… What’s next? A standard Scientologist to Scientologist begging checksheet?
A beans and rice culture not only exists within the rank and file of Scientology but is enforced, ever induced by a mouldy but unobtainable & fictitious carrot dangling always just out of grasp. The opulent lifestyle of DM, the outrageous amount of $ in their bank accounts, their vast real estate holdings and all created under the protection of their legal status of a religion tells the wicked story of Scientology.
Yo Peggy,
Ya might wanna check in with Bubbles Champain and have her requisition about 150 of the rooms at Flog. The Cee Oh Ess may be able to divert them to you and your situation rather than just renting them out to the tourists.
And remember, it is against Flog policy for members of the cult to compete with Flog by offering rooms at a lower rate. ‘The friendliest place in the were-uld’ is the best place in the were-uld for a young staff member to get sucked into a human trafficking scam.
Sign em up, cut em off from the outside world and extract a lifetime of human energy out of em before you dump them back into ‘wards of the state’. My cursory once over would point to you lifers and a bunch of sick fucks who have lost your way.
Find a mirror Peggy and see if you recognize anyone in the room. And don’t forget, your turn as a ward of the state is just around the corner ……….. as soon as Dave is done with you.
Newc firing off a few missiles 🙂
What strikes me is the astonishing ability of the cult to normalize insanity for its members. The person who wrote that email doesn’t seem to have paused for a moment to consider how batshit crazy this project is. She’s just on it and has mustered her drive and enthusiasm to get it done. You want to shake these people and ask, “Have you ever asked yourself whether this is worth doing?!”
This is the epitome of their idiocy and blindness to any shred of knowing what-the-hell am I doing?
I guess when nothing is happening in other orgs you can manage sending most of your crew to these openings and/or other events for the photo opportunities.
Maybe the SO members will see a chance to bolt travelling around so much.
Might be a great opportunity for those that have escaped (and the people that were never in but see the truth) to be near the events with signs or banners stating we’ll be able to help them out or something?
The Guy Fawkes masks are intimidating (they were to me) which would be scary to approach and ask for help. Maybe Ellen or Oprah or Ghandi faces? Welcoming, kind, loving icons of today?
No one with access to the internet or has an IQ above a grapefruit will enter the Orlando Ideal Morgue.
Thanks to Mike and others, people know they ship in Scientologists and their families to look “alive”. However, the next generation of children born to Scientologists, (ages from 1 to 30 today,) cannot be stopped from using the ubiquitous internet by their parents. This is a problem because it has the secondary effect of keeping parents away from Scientology Orgs for fear of losing their own “disaffected” children to the ethics officer who will have the parents disconnect or have these teenagers do O/W writeups about dis-obeying their parents (this O/W write-up is just a slaver’s trick to overwhelm the victim in order to make him/her subservient to his master.)
No one is going to Orlando Org or any Org for a simple, valid reason: The public IS informed of their lies and so the “jig is up” for Scientology. The only new thing left to hear is the clang of the jail house door.
Hey Robert,
You’re being kind of tough on the grapefruit today! At least it produces a viable product with minimal supervision and usually produces more than it consumes with little to no whining and sniveling. And I don’t see any disconnection being practiced!
So the good ole grapefruit looks to be pretty smart today compared to mORGue staff.
🙂
When you have to TRY looking alive, that tells you everything you need to know about Scientology.
Yes, scientology could only thrive in the darkness, but when sunlight of truth was thrown on it, it died.
As for the clang of the jailhouse door, from your lips to God. We are all so looking forward to the Miscavige perp walk.
it would be so very entertaining to see Davey attempt to throw his “weight” around in prison. The tough guy veneer would last about 2 seconds. I see him cringing in the corner, whimpering and shaking.
Bullies are always the biggest cowards. Always.
Every so often the $camology corpse sits up, looks for a fresh brain to eat, sees nothing, says,” Mmeehh.” and lies back down again.
That sounds like my morning itinerary.
And then there are the dreaded Regging Ghouls that lurk in dark holes and graves only to awaken when they smell a wallet or purse nearby then they arise to claw and grasp and tear with their rotting hands at the hapless owners of the money.
When course time would be nearly over I hated seeing them appear outside the door preparing to to separate the weakest from the pack and pounce on their live prey.
Perhaps these ‘out of towners’ are the same batch that opened the Dublin mOrg, or the Nashville mOrg or the Valley mOrg? They could be a band itinerant gypsy Sea bOrg whose only job is to pose for pics and give that 1housand yard stare. That sounds like a nice job, if you’re into couch surfing.
I wouldn’t put it passed them. Posing for pics with their thousand yard stare. Creepy…
That’s a very funny concept, zemoo. A band of Sea Org Gypsies opening orgs,, sticking around for a while, doing the Scientology equivalent of reading palms and conducting seances, and then leaving, going to another org, hanging around until its time once again to move on, etc. Your J & D may be truer than you you think! I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a handpicked group in the SO for this purpose.
Someone should respond to this letter with a map of highway underpasses in Orlando. Preferably near bus routes and soup kitchens.
And some of this staff are there in training for a couple of days? What are they training on?
Could be they are being taught how to pose during the video being shot or something like that…..
That IS the training!
Silvia, I think you’re on to something!
OSD, O
Off topic, but are you “Old Surfer DudeId” now, or is that a typo?
Of course, as usual, I only occupy myself with extremely important and profound questions.
iSteal Org, the greatest greed for the greatest numbness.
ROTFLMFAO! Whew! Now that’s some funny shit!
“ISteal”…good one, MJM. I’m stealing that!
Scientology has a solid basis of lies to get money and slaves. Faking expansion in Orlando is certainly part of that scam. The scam is always the same: get more money and get more slaves (which is the opposite of LRH preaching: “free” technology and total personal freedom). How upsidedown can you get?? Steal people’s money and make them slaves.
Like so many lies in Scientology, they are always told with the intention of getting money and gain slaves. Truth and freedom are talked about endlessly, but instead you get lies and enslavement.. Very un-American and criminal I would say.
People caught lying in order to scam money in the civilized countries go to jail everyday. Everyday more and more people understand Scientology is not a religion. It is a money making scam. DM: It’s only a matter of time before they come for you: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna when they come for you…
Robert,
To use Ron’s con-struct known as a “GPM”. Ron had a goal to free the minds of individuals. He got problem after problem after problem. He (scientology) ended up a mass. Scientology tech/terminology worked!
All it took was 50 years. As J P Capitalist might say: Bad business model, Bad business model, Bad business model, Bad business model, Bad business model, Bad business model,
Robert, Hubbard may have claimed a goal of freeing people. But only about 5 years before he started Scientology, his personal affirmation was “Material things are yours for the asking. Men are your slaves….You will make fortunes writing.” It’s probably no accident that Scientology turned out more along the lines of Hubbard’s private intentions than his public pronouncements.
At best, Hubbard never managed to fully “clear” his mind and spirit from the “wickedness” of Aleister Crowley, that he had steeped himself in during that earlier period. I think it more likely that just as Hubbard believed that people at the bottom of the tone scale should have no rights at all, he also believed that most of those in the middle should serve a few “big beings” at the top able to exercise complete freedom of will – though of course he didn’t broadcast that explictly, since he needed to lure a mass of people into his service with the promise that they might become among the truly free elite, it’s implicit in his writings such as Responsibilities of Leaders (“Bolivar”).
And, yes, there’s a bad business model on top of it all….
Yes, Miscavige going to jail is becoming a common hope. Capone went to prison. He thought he was untouchable.
And Capone went down for tax evasion. Davey could be next. It’s that time of the year that the IRS is looking for someone to crucify in order to convince everyone else to pay their federal income tax.
Geez, Davey boy is the perfect example to be made by the IRS… remember that photo of him with that $$$ wristwatch?
As if the IRS doesn’t have enough shit on that little sociopath by now. If HBO can broadcast a show after review by an army of lawyers, imagine what the IRS can do. This isn’t the 1980’s anymore, and the public loathes scientology.
Right. I should have said “Davey should be next”, not “Davey could be next”
Why are public providing accommodations to FSO outer Org trainees when the entire FH, not to mention all the other Church owned hotels in C.W. are practically empty?
I officially have no sympathy for the sub-20 IQ OTC members.
Wynski,
So. You are trying to tell me that scientology is lowering the IQ level of Clearwater and Florida?
For now, I think they’re just lowering in IQs of Clearwater. Which won’t take very long.
Not really. It only lowers the IQ of its adherents. And since there are hardly any in Florida it has no real impact. 😉
Oh, that’s right, they’re just lowering the IQs of the clams. Shouldn’t be a difficult process…
Ah, yes, those Flog OTs, bless their little, loyal, unquestioning hearts!
Just gotta love that stable datum of theirs!
“‘Now don’t you go worryin’, ‘tall, Suh! I ain’t seen nuthin,’ and I ain’t heard nuthin’, and I ain’t believin’ nuthin’, ‘ceptin’ what you done ‘tole me, Boss!”
Its a great stupid-maker.
Just a thought: Before anyone comes down on me for what might appear as ridiculing African Americans in their once enslaved condition let me say this is NOT the intention.
I wonder how many of these arriving staff know what ARC or PTP means. In my final days, I delivered an introductory course (The Personnel Efficiency Course) at the behest of the local mission (because of course, it was a “new start” stat for them) to two people from Hungary. They didn’t speak a word of English; so, I had a translator. I was stunned that these two people had no idea what scientology was and yet, they were in America as new Sea Org members for the church.
Hi Mary,
It doesn’t surprise me that $camology recruits people who haven’t heard of the subject. Probably makes the recruitment easier. If people knew what it was REALLY all about then they’d run a mile!!!!
I used to witness some bizarre goings on with sea org recruitment, and this was back in the early – mid 90’s…….
People were put on an emeter to get them to “realise” that the LSD they once took wasn’t really LSD at all, so they were therefore qualified for the sea org!! WTF?
Another guy who had a (very minor) psych history was recruited….. Later on the powers that be dismissed him from the sea org due to the psych history…………………
Other people with serious financial debts due to being grossly regged were recruited, and told that they would be able to sort out their finances while in the sea org!!!! Naturally they weren’t able to do this on £5 a week, and were told to leave to sort it out. (Probably before creditors found out their involvement with $camology and it became a PR flap).
It always makes me laugh when I see the sea org recruitment poster. “Many apply, few are chosen”, or words to that effect.
I always interpret it as “No one applies, many are press ganged and sod the circumstances”. That just about sums it up in almost every other area too……………..
Mary, that truly is frightening! I feel bad for the Hungarians. They have no idea what they’re in for.
Immigration fraud? That’s how the Feds ultimately got the Rajneeshees…
I think the Sea Org just needs bodies. Any bodies, from anywhere, doesn’t matter who they are or from what country. They need bodies. And without being funny I think that’s their tone level too.