Companion to the post of a couple of days ago Make More Money (So We Can Take It)…
This is another twist on the “prosperity doctrine” that informs everything in scientology. Creflo Dollar and his prosperity theology have nothing on scientology.
This one is a new approach. Offer to teach “wogs” how to make money, and use that as bait to get them to do a Comm Course!
Scientology: It’s all about the money.
Please excuse me for intruding into your blog here for a second time. I should explain that I have posted in this blog previously using the name, “Skyler”. But I forgot my password and I sent a message to Mike explaining this and I posted here yesterday using the name, “Miss Bluxom”.
I don’t want to leave you with the impression that I’m trying to do something “sneaky” to you. I figure that you all have likely had your fill of sneaky people doing sneaky things and you don’t need me to any more. But after reading some of your posts yesterday, I decided to re-watch Alex Gibney’s film, “Going Clear”.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4257858/?ref_=nm_knf_t4
I got a real shock when I saw Paul Haggis talking about his two daughters because I had always thought that was Alex Gibney. I was very surprised to see how similar they both looked. I had to look hard to tell the difference. You can see for yourselves, if you like:
Paul Haggis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Haggis
Alex Gbney: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Gibney
They have a lot more in common than their physical appearance. I actually got to wondering if they may have been long lost brothers. Both were born in the same year and both have a whole load of talent when it comes to making films. I checked their lists of credits thinking maybe I could find a film or a still in which they appeared together so I could see firsthand what they both looked like “side by side” … and …
I found even more commonality. OK. You may be wondering why I have nothing better to do. It’s a long story. They both have exactly two film credits as “actors”. But they don’t seem to ever have worked on the same film. I’m guessing that I may be asking something foolish and I’m expecting some of you to give me grief about it. But … would anyone happen to know of any pictures or films in which they appear together?
I know it’s silly. But I’d like to see what they look like in the same venue.
Really bad picture. Reminds me of faces I’ve seen staring at me over an 8 foot fence. Someone feed her an apple.
Please excuse me for intruding into your blog. I have almost nothing to say about Scientology.
I wast to post a few remarks about Alex Gibney. I will try to keep this real short since I realize I’m not behaving within the bounds of this blog.
I was directed here because I wanted to learn some info about Alex Gibney. I just saw a film he made about the music group, “The Eagles”. It’s called, “History of the Eagles”. I wanted to make some remarks directed to Mr. Gibney but I couldn’t find any way to send him an email directly.
I just wanted to say that film is one of the very best films I’ve ever seen and I want to pay tribute to Alex as a film maker. I’ve seen many other films about music groups who play popular music and this film is just far superior to any that I’ve seen.
So, please excuse me for “hi-jacking” this blog as it were. I was just overcome by a tremendous desire to pay tribute to Alex and also to let anyone interested know how about this film and recommend it to anyone who may have any interest in this group of this kind of music.
I did see Mr. Gibney’s film about Scientology and it was a real eye opener. Once again, he did a terrific job on that film. It was one of the most direct reports on what really goes on in that cult. I see that some people are recommending some reading and programs to, “Out for Good but Hiding For Now says”. I’d like to recommend Mr. Gibney’s excellent film, “Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief”.
I just read that Travolta’s new “Gotti Movie” just got the “Rotten Tomato” award……imagine that.
I could have been a pilot.
I could have gone to college ..become a forester…and saved trees across the nation.
I could have joined the Peace Corps or a Commune or a Tree House Community…..
I could have passed the bar and become a judge, bent on helping wayward youth…
………
Just before I threw away 4 decades… I was full of ideas.
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UTR, stealthy, determined, I’m stealing little bits of things to fulfill these old goals. As far as I’m concerned, …from her on out…. I get what I want.
And I believe you are still full of ideas. Great ideas. Your body may maybe older, but your mind is not, RVW.
Mike –
any word on when or if the comments will go back to the way they were?
There is no way to edit them or check for typos as they just disappear until you come along and post them.
I thought that was a temp glitch but my post just got sucked away into the void until ..it comes back someday….
(I liked the edit feature, I could zip zip through and later go back for fixes)
……
I once upon a time was a salesman for a Scientology company. We’d go to seminars and study closing techniques. Do drills on how to never leave until you get the sale etc etc. I’ve always hated that salesman mentality. Which is basically, “trick the mark into buying what you’re selling”. Talk about covert. If you got a product, tell someone what it is and does, and leave it to them to buy or not. End of story. It’s a very condescending mentality that has to trick another into buying something. And of course Scientologists justify the fuck out of it, weave it through that dynamic labyrinth with the end product of giving all your sales commissions to the group. By the way, our “product” was an overpriced piece of shit.
“It will be found that those who will pay were the most able to begin with and have the greatest value to others. Their worth as persons is greater.” — HCO PL 9 May 65, Auditing Fees, Preferential Treatment of Preclears, Scale of Preference.
Yup, it’s all about money.
In scientology, one’s ability and value as a human being is determined by the size of one’s bank account (and how accessible it is).
According to the Pew Research Centre, over half the population of Earth are either low income earners or just plain poor. Over 70% of the population live on less than $10 a day, with the majority on just $3. So I do wonder how they hope to “clear the planet” when billions of people can barely afford to eat let alone pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for their spiritual freedom. Such people are clearly worthless in the eyes of the “church”.
Money is the oxygen of Scientology.
They say that money is root of all evil, but Scientology takes this adage to a new and lower level: only Scientologists in good standing are evil enough to take the last dollar off an innocent old lady for the IAS, etc… and then refuse to return her money when she finally figures out she was swindled. Then, letting her get evicted and resort to eating cat food for the rest of her life is easily explained by a Scientologist: I am not evil, “she pulled it in” she is evil and should be crushed for asking for her money back.
Scientology is an evil empire sponsored and encouraged by the IRS and the American taxpayer. IRS wake up! This evil cult is the complete opposite of a charitable organization. Pull their tax exempt status now.
Robert,
The BIBLE says that the LOVE of money is the ROOT of ALL EVIL . . . Not MONEY itself.
http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/6-10.htm
Dave F.
I couldn’t bring myself to comment on the Thursday Funnies, all those images of those fresh faced kids all determined to do the right thing about helping mankind etc gave me a dose of the “sads.” The really sad part about Scientology is there’s not one single Scientologist who isn’t a victim, even if they don’t it. The assholes like Chan the Man are simply criminals adding victim after victim to long line of those abused by the insidious cult posing as a religion. This seminar is just another lure to induce people to get involved with the criminally insane organization known as Scientology.
I got the chills too I Yawnalot looking at those sweet innocent faces, so trusting of their parents and happy to make them happy. Absolutely criminal to say the least.
+1!
You are so right, Yawnalot. Miscavige isn’t getting away with his crimes all alone. He has plenty of chumps who are aiding and abetting this criminal organization.
I can’t wait to see RICO raids haul away all the guilty parties who assisted in perpetuating the scientology crimes against humanity. The upper echelon scientologists should really start compiling evidence (I am sure many already have) to turn against Miscavige when the time comes, if they have any sense left, or if they have any part of their brains that haven’t been completely scrubbed to mush by scientology.
I hope the feds throw the book at them RUTHLESSLY (using that famous adverb of the most useful of useful idiots, Tom Cruise).
I wonder how lil’ Miscavige will live out his final days? There really is no good outcome. It is all so depressing for him.
“…Miscavige…has plenty of chumps aiding and abetting his criminal organization.”
Bingo. Which is exactly why I no longer pity them. As far as I’m concerned, the Still Ins whether public, CL V staff or Sea Org, fall into roughly 3 groups as follows:
1) The as yet Honestly Unaware
2) The Aware who are UTR
3) The Aware who have decided to stay.
The first group is probably tiny and composed mostly of children and teens born into the cult and steeped by their parents from infancy into all things cult, plus foreigners on religious visas recruited into the Sea Org. I know I should feel sorry for the youngsters but in that with one exception in my experience I found them to be smug, arrogant, know it all little bastards I just can’t dredge up out of myself what I’m sure is the correct empathy for them and I’d be lying if I told you I feel sorry for them.
The second group know and are pretending to be part of the group but are not. They know what they’re doing. In their hearts they’re out, or planning their way out in what they believe is the best way for them. I don’t pity them, I salute them!
The third group realized the truth and decided to stay anyway, and in so doing became themselves criminals. This group I despise, and its the long term staff, public and SO. They deserve everything they’re going to get – the financial ruin, the bad health, the way they’ll see one day how the cult turns against them on a dime. They deserve every bit of this and no mistake because they know the truth and yet actively contribute to the ongoing lies, scams and deceiving of others. Would I help one of them? Sure. If they finally decide that the deceit is too much to bear, and blew, sure. But would I ever trust any of them – no way. Help, yeah, trust, no. They’d have to go a long way, a LONG way, before I’d trust any of them again And as far as forgiveness, they’re not going to need my or anyone’s forgiveness; they’re going to have to forgive themselves.
So pity doesn’t factor into any of this. I’m free of that now, thank God. Its a waste of time and emotion.
Correction: I actually do pity the small children in the cult. They’re cute, they’re innocent and trusting. By the time they hit their teens though the cult has turned them into something awful. Also, and, from the way I’ve written, you’re unlikely to believe this, but I’ll say it anyway because its true: in general I like children and teenagers and they like me – mostly I think, because I give them their space, don’t fawn all over them, am not phoney with them and don’t talk down to them. Works like a charm, even of the sulky introverted ones, no kidding. In fact, especially on these.
But not with Scientology teens. Talk about “in your face” God, they would get on my nerves. Big time.
And also I dislike them – and I know this is irrational – because of the way they’re capable of turning on their parents – of turning on ANYONE. Because THEY make the decision. The cult can’t force them. Its their choice. They’re just so – what’s the word – HARD. So unnaturally hard.
i hated that hardness of theirs and when they’d get in my face, That robotism, although I didn’t call it that back then. Preaching to me about what I “needed” to do, Never letting up. I’d fight back against their robotism in my own way, batting their comm right back to them, never letting them win, so that they’d get out of my face.
Today of course I realize they’re like this because their PARENTS put them in the cult from infancy. If you put your kid in an SS training camp its no surprise he comes out a Nazi, primed for years to Heil Hitler and under the bus for you if you don’t toe the mark, now matter who you are – father, mother, brother, sister, friend, lover, spouse – all dispensable if you’re not loyal to the Commandant. Bad analogy but you get the idea. I know that this dislike of mine of the Scientoology in your face robokids is irrational and I’m working on eliminating it because harboring negative emotion is unhealthy and its not going to help them or change them or change anything. Thank you for reading this.
When children are encouraged to inform on their parents, it is a sure sign that one is indeed in a really shitty situation. Get the hell out, if you can.
I was on Staff in Twin Cities for a while.
I am hiding UTR due to obvious fears of attacks, disconnection, declares and other hurtful tactics the Church of Scientology does to people who “know”.
This is a great blog Mike.
I am watching all of the episodes on A&E – Scientology, the Aftermath with Mike Rinder and Leah Remini.
I started reading Marty Rathbun’s blog from the beginning…it was helpful.
I think he is a turn coat and has betrayed the ex scientology group so I won’t pay attention to anything he has said over the past few years.
OMG – I am horrified that the truth was all hidden from our view…however, it is all making sense as to why we never grew and expanded.
I thought it was only “us” but now I can see it is all Orgs across the globe.
Scientology is the fastest shrinking cult / religion.
I liked Chris Shelton’s blog on Tony’ Ortega’s Underground Bunker today.
I am watching his podcasts too. They are very helpful…
I am going down the rabbit hole.
Wish me luck.
Out for Good and hiding for now.
Welcome and thanks for commenting. It is always SO gratifying to read a comment from someone like you. This is exactly why this blog exists, to try to give some perspective to real world of scientology and to let people know “you are not crazy for thinking this is crazy.”
I thought it was only “us” but now I can see it is all Orgs across the globe. This is the mantra of the scientology organization. It keeps people people’s eyes closed. So glad you opened yours.
I placed my name down to help any Sea Org member leaving the Church in Australia that may need assistance, transitioning back into the beautiful life & world you can have.
I can certainly understand if you feel the need to hide, but really you do not have to. My contact details are with ‘The Aftermath Foundation’
Twitter: @AftermathFdn
Instagram: #theaftermathfoundation
Great post, Stephen! I can tell it came from your heart. You’re a good soul.
Yes Mike ! Thank you for all you and Leah Remini have done to help. I can’t stop! There is so much to know…..so much to read…. so much to watch.
Thank you all who have written and documented the crimes within the Organization of Scientology and reported them on the internet.
The truth is hard to look at but it is freeing to finally make sense of Scientology and what it has always been.
Great to hear, Out for Good!
Welcome to FREEDOM
A cult free life! Ain’t it great!
Wishing you everything wonderful that you are so entitled to Out for Good but Hiding For Now. Breath in the fresh air and live free!
Out For Good, welcome! Thanks so much for sharing with us. You’ll make it out. You’ll make it out in your own way and in your own time. So glad you’re reading and posting here.
welcome.
Our circumstances are similar in that I too am UTR and using this blog and the youtube vids and the blogs.
I adore Aaron Smith Levin and his vids too, he’s such an easy listen, so smart and funny and plain spoken. It’s very helpful. Chris is fun and has some great guest speakers as well.
Read the books too. I went through all kinds of hoops to be able to buy hard copies off Amazon and Ebay and then did some fancy dancin to get some on Kindle – I had to do it all UTR from family and spouse. I just finished Ortega’s book on Miss Lovely. It was fantastic and awful to get through, because of my time in and connections.
This is a good bunch on the site. Lots of help here. I keep quiet about how long it has been for me – it’s not long but it’s getting longer and I’m getting better and all of these guys help tremendously.
It DOES get better. Still have my rough days but overall I’m less fragile.
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come often and drink from this well.
It’s healing waters.
🙂
” – its not long but its getting longer and I’m getting better and all of these guys help tremendously.”
Totally understood.
Welcome Out for Good….you are brave to leave, I’m a never been inner….but I do understand how nice, smart people could get caught up in CoS. On the face it seems like a great thing…but it is a very scary, and highly successful money making operation. I wish you well in your new journey in life. With respect, Lynda Castell-Blanch
It has a typo, they wrote “raw people” instead of ‘wogs’, covert and derogatory terms to refer to those who haven’t shared the wisdom of the sacred scriptures and, that eventually, will lead them to bankruptcy, disconnection and declared. Lets hope none bites the bait.
Goodness gracious, what a scam!
First Post ! Shouldn’t they be teaching those in the SO “how to make money”?
It’s always “all about the money”. Every scam that takes people in, builds “networks” or “down lines” (pyramids too) is all about money. Religion is all about money too – and control, but Scientology isn’t a religion as most people know. But it’s certainly about control – and making billions of dollars in the process from worker-bee slaves who are brainwashed into believing that they can buy their way towards “freedom”.
The world that Scientology hopes to build is one of domination, not really any different then any other fascist endeavor. At the top, will those who are in control and reap the financial benefits. At the bottom and most places inbetween, are those who are earnestly seeking to make a difference (and working the most). The world isn’t changing because it’s the same top-down control by the same kind of people who think they’re better then everyone else.
This story is older then the real pyramids and nobody should fall for it anymore, but sadly, many still do.
Well they are at least getting a little bit more honest. In this promo they admit that the intention is to get the sucker (newbie) to buy and do the Comm Course. They never used to admit that hidden agenda before.
I would recommend Dale Carnegie Training. They aren’t cheap, but you just may learn how to relate to people and their needs, and sell them stuff.
It’s all just so spiritually uplifting.
Looks like Travolta won’t be making millions – awww
John Travolta’s ‘Gotti’ Scores Zero Percent on Rotten Tomatoes
source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/john-travoltas-gotti-scores-zero-percent-on-rotten-tomatoes/ar-AAyI0VS?li=BBnbfcL
John Travolta’s new movie “Gotti” hit rock bottom faster than a cinderblock tied to a body being thrown into a river.
“Gotti” has scored a zero percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes from film critics, a rare feat managed by only a few dozen movies. At the time of this writing, only 17 reviews have been counted for the film, so the film’s fortune could change. But, as of now, all reviews of the Travolta film are currently are rotten.
To think that I ever fell for this pack of lies. I am suitably chastened.
No need for that, Visitor. We were ALL taken for a ride. But, I believe they’re leaking like a sieve now. The Pasadena Idle Morgue is just that. I’ve seen it up close & personal many times. It’s a dying cult. Chastened? No need. We’re all in this together, my friend.
Micheal Chan is going to be pissed off. Others are now horning in on his territory. All that ‘prosperity’ stuff was supposed to be his gig. Did he not kick back enough of his 15% commission? Did he fail to thank COB after every sentence?
Why doesn’t the $cieno TV channel do more prosperity preaching? They’d look more like the other ‘religious’ channels if they did.
Wow. Desperation much?
Tons of it.
Interesting, all 3 speakers are in the cult but not a mention of Scientology exists on the website promoting the event. http://millionssalesseminar.com/ What else are they not telling?
That’s because Scientology is a dirty word.
OSD; you’re being way too kind.
“The Finance Series” of Hubbard’s bureaucratizes Hubbard’s money making greed.
“Bean theory”
“Value of Services Delivered”
“Facility Differential”
“LRH Properties”
“Sea Org Reserves”
“LRH Trust Accounts”
Hubbard’s greedy bureaucracy staff writings eternally make the case for condemning Scientology’s “Cult of Greed” (TIME magazine, Richard Behar article).
Hubbard’s money greed cannot be washed out of Scientology, excepting, I wonder how greedy Ron’s Org Switzerland (Max Hauri’s Ron’s Org group in Grenchen, Switz) seems not overly greedy, so I always wonder IF that lingering Ron’s Org following around the world if that is slipping by unnoticed, and will those non-greedy Scientologist splinter groups be the inheritors of some longer range different type of non-money focused Scientology, who knows.
The photo on this flyer is Joy Chambers Rockwell Gendusa. The owner of Postcard Mania.
Original (maiden) name was Liebowitz. Lots of marriages. Good thing she’s not doing a 2D seminar…
Totally tone deaf, but at least they’re completely honest about how they view the “raw” rubes they want to attract. Bait them in with the lure of making more money, then switch to conning them into paying the COS for a Comm course. What could be more brilliant? And, hey, if they happen to learn something at the seminar that helps them improve their income, COS’s hands are already deep in their pockets to extract every red cent.
Scientology should get a person like “Vince” the “Sham Wow” guy to promote them – LOL !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwRISkyV_B8
THIS version is BETTER !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm03Dgu_yXA
Dave F.
“Vince the Shamwow Guy” (real name Offer Shlomi, born in Israel, raised in Brooklyn) was actually in Scientology too — L.A. Celebrity Center, to be precise — during the 1990s when he was a fringe character in Hollywood — before there was a dispute and CoS labeled him a “criminal” and put him out.
Gotti with John Travolta is not making money.
John Travolta’s ‘Gotti’ Gets Rare Zero Percent Score on Rotten Tomatoes
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-travoltas-gotti-gets-zero-percent-rotten-tomatoes-score-1120603?utm_source=twitter
On rotten tomatoes there are lots of 0 stars and 5 stars for the “public”
The few reviewers who saw it and who reviewed other movies usually gave 0 stars
The five star reactions Reactions like “Do not believe the critics it is great!”
Usually it is the only film they ever reviewed was. Gotti!
I love when COS sets up fake online accounts to review things like movies, or comment on news stories or Reddit AMA’s. It is so obvious to everyone outside the bubble what they are doing. But they do it anyway
Scientologists most likely
What a ‘wonnerful’ way to spend a Saturday, all warm and snuggly with yer favorite millionaire cult telling you how you can ‘make it’.
No other religion in the world can hold a candle to Scientology when it comes to preying.
Visito,
I see what you did there, cute 🙂
LOL, Visitor! Good one!
(And so Jungian).