Looks like the wife is at high risk of being disconnected from herself. Those few words already destroyed the “value” of the $16,000 in sec checking they went through. Might have to add a zero to that to get back in full good standing.
Oh, RB…this guy! This clueless guy you’ve created who talks almost exclusively in cult bumper stickers; this hapless sheeple with his continual earnest attempts to “handle” his common-sense-speaking wife with continual thought-stopping cult-speak – I have to tell you, I am so fond of him now, I have such bemused affection for him – I mean, he’s just SOOO…hopeless, I guess, except you make him funny. In real life, conversations like these between cult husbands and wives would not be in the least funny, they’d be tragic, actually. But you make it funny. Well, Mel Brooks made the Hitler and the Holocaust funny. You’ve got the gift, RB. God bless!
Happy New Year, everyone!
Back atcha and withya on Tuesday đ
Right, Aqua!
These poor people could get their home seized due to non payment of property tax (the tax dollars got donated to Ideal Orgs instead) and this poor schlub would natter about how somehow they pulled it in, etc.
Anyway, have a happy new year, enjoy your weekend and let’s see what 2023 has to offer!
Maybe the headline breaking news conviction of a certain global religious leader?
Cult “bumper snickers”, more like. he’s spouting scn pablum phrases strung together in nonsense patterns; he might as well have been quoting “Alice” phrases like, “OFF with her head!”, which would be closer to the truth of scn’s position on the SP who blew the SO.
Common sense outsiders wanted, to interact with fanatical Scientologists.
Only duty minded people and virtuous can tolerate Scientologists, so only unflappable persons need apply.
“Volunteer Meet and Talk To Scientologists Club”
I think only complete outsiders could ever get thru.
Anyone with any foreknowledge of Scientology not wanted for the club.
——————————-
One of the reasons I never disseminated to anyone in my family about Scientology, was for the disconnection backlash.
My brother, who is or was an agnostic atheist liked to call Scientology devil worship. As in, “Hey Chucky, how’s the devil worship?” when he was checking up on me in Sea Org.
Public innately smell the stink Scientology exudes, thanks to the word having spread.
The world’s “Grade 0” on Scientology thankfully counters Scientology’s hype self image.
There’s an “advanced” exercise you do on Key to Life Course, called “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics”.
It’s a tedious exercise, which as a course supervisor, I had to “grade” hundreds to thousands of the Scientology student trainees’ final paperwork they did when they each did this exercise.
It’s hard to describe, it’s such deep weeds mental fog self delusional dreaming, that the students think up to interweave their hopes of making the world better.
In Scientology’s files, the files called their “student files” which are kept of all the paperwork exercises and dreaming that the students do, one of the top 10 all time exercises that one does, and which you do where you participate building up your dreams of how much “good” you can theoretically do in Scientology, this “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics” truly can “keep someone going” in support of all things Scientology is supposedly doing “across the dynamics”.
The dupes provide their own dream raw rah rah power, and then Hubbard’s exercises in some of the Hubbard “courses” studied, the dupes will infuse the exercises as an outlet to a dupe’s raw dreams of bettering the world.
The Hubbard “courses’ help cement a dupe’s raw dreaming power into what they think they are doing in the world.
When Mike provides all these promotional things the Scientologists think they are doing, I as a former course supervisor plug every one of these self promotional dreaming right into all the Hubbard course room exercises I witnessed the student trainees do, in all the years I was a Flag Course Sup.
Scientologists that way build their own personal concrete illusion of what they think they are doing.
The “wins” or successful final paperwork exercise, especially the “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics” exercise, is a biggie, depending on how much dreaming you infuse into it, and how cleverly and extensively you cement all of Scientology’s front groups’ faux activities into your paperwork you write up for your own “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics” exercise.
Some students were quite brilliant in infusing their gullible raw dupe hopeful dreaming into their course room exervises.
I read tens of thousands of student trainees’ paperwork exercises, the course supervisor has to grade them all for orthodoxy.
A whole lot of wishful thinking being cemented into people’s heads as followers.
Chuck Beatty
x Flag Course Sup, 1977 to 1983, with one year off being busted to “word clearer”
Thank you all for your comments, which I am still reading and considering.
Do legitimate scientology recovery groups exist, particularly in the Austin TX area?
I am not now, nor was I ever, a member; an *opportunity to join dianetics did present itself, in Santa Barbara in the mid-1980s. My then-fiance was embarrassed by my loud gum snapping in non-verbal response to some/ much of what the pitchmen were spewing. As I recall, I was pressed (by a gal ) to decide if I wanted to be there, which I did, so we left the recruitment meeting.
Currently in a relationship with a former member who exited, I am looking into potential resources.
I think this RB entry reveals much about the inner dynamics of the COB era of the church, and indirectly lays bare their Achilles heelâa chasm between the tech trained, and the newbies and long-time scios who have never had any auditor training.
For sake of example, letâs put the wife in the role of the well trained auditor. She speaks in specifics and has little tolerance for âno results.â The husband can only speak in vague PR platitudes that have no practical value. He just âgoes on hopingâ that everything will turn out all right. The more experienced wife knows that one of the cardinal rules of auditing is that you never âgo on hopingâ when the auditing process isnât moving in the right direction.
I was on the SHSBC course for a couple of years back in the early eighties, and the BC students were typically the most savvy scios in the org. Consequently, they always tended to be the trouble-making instigators who werenât shy about citing bad or misapplied tech or policy. And if you were tech staff, you could get into serious trouble for making waves. Our head sup at ASHO Foundation BC was one of those wave makers, apparently. She was quietly removed, and I never saw, or heard about her again.
It was impossible not to notice the strange and severe changes going on. But savvy ASHO students knew better than to query sudden or unusual changes going on in the org. Those who did, exposed themselves to what we called âheavy ethics.â It was the beginning of a mass exodus of staff and students in the LA area. Some just faded away. Others started Free Zone groups and alliances. The rest probably began a descent into an evolving Doubt Formula, waiting and scheming to make their exit move as quietly as possible.
What irony. It was the tech (and green-on-white policy for that matter) that was COBâs biggest enemy. Itâs no mystery to me that he had to eliminate the Briefing Course. The last thing he wanted was staff and public who knew more about LRH material than he did. And worse, they knew how to apply it. So, in classic totalitarian fashion, COB got rid of all of them, leaving a clueless and inept minion of sycophants, compliant followers, and deluded cultists. Good luck with that Munchkin Man.
This is like Joseph Rutherford taking over Jehovah’s Witnesses after Charles Taze Russell died and getting rid of Russell’s “Studies in the Scriptures” book series because the teachings conflicted with his own evolving theology.
The Twit⢠was easy to know more than. He seems afraid of any standard tech or admin. I’m actually a bit surprised that he was able to battle his way to the top of the scientology hierarchy, considering how little he studied of the topics, and how poorly I observed that he retained the material in ’76, only weeks after he dropped out of a decent high school and began his scn career. Is there NOTHING he hasn’t changed?
So true. So sick. My parents were never Scientologist but because they were “connected” to me, my brother could never speak to them in the final years of their life. There are probably 100,000 versions of this story in the wake of this cult. It is no wonder that surveys of the general public show Scientology disliked at the same level as Satanism.
Before McSavage took the reins, scn was a bit more fun. It wasn’t any more effective, of course, but you had a “certainty” that you were advancing step by step and no one was throwing you down the chute to restart everything all over again.
As I see it, satanism allows you to chart your own course, create your own processes leading to your goal of global domination. It didn’t WORK either, of course. Like father (Crowley) was son Hubbard
If only more disconnection victims would raise high holy hell about the cult’s practices. The first step is for all of them to contact their political representatives demanding investigations and tax changes. There are so many things that could be done it’s unbelievable. But it has to come from the victims, everyone else will just be ignored.
Yeah. If all the disconnected and disaffected filed suits against McSavage’s little fiefdom, Davey-boy would experience some of the grief he and his minions caused to the US legal system while beating the IRS to a pulp. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving entity. Perhaps some of that tax-free money would be frittered away before DwarfenfĂźhrerÂŽ could flee to Belgravia for his anticipated retirement, not that he truly has any actual job to retire from. Downing vast quantities of whiskey and flailing his arms against his subordinates is hardly a job for him – it’s his pleasure.
As the mother of two sons, your story really resonates with me. I pray your son in the cult will have an awakening and soon! Just know you have people who pray for you and hope for the best for your family. You are a very brave mother and I admire you.
Wow. It is so heartening to know there are people like you that have my back and are rooting and praying for people like me. What a pleasant surprise this was to read your post. Thank you!!!
I wouldnât be surprised if the COS makes a positive reference about themselves in their statement on the recent death of a Riverside County sheriffâs deputy.
Looks like the wife is at high risk of being disconnected from herself. Those few words already destroyed the “value” of the $16,000 in sec checking they went through. Might have to add a zero to that to get back in full good standing.
Oh, RB…this guy! This clueless guy you’ve created who talks almost exclusively in cult bumper stickers; this hapless sheeple with his continual earnest attempts to “handle” his common-sense-speaking wife with continual thought-stopping cult-speak – I have to tell you, I am so fond of him now, I have such bemused affection for him – I mean, he’s just SOOO…hopeless, I guess, except you make him funny. In real life, conversations like these between cult husbands and wives would not be in the least funny, they’d be tragic, actually. But you make it funny. Well, Mel Brooks made the Hitler and the Holocaust funny. You’ve got the gift, RB. God bless!
Happy New Year, everyone!
Back atcha and withya on Tuesday đ
Right, Aqua!
These poor people could get their home seized due to non payment of property tax (the tax dollars got donated to Ideal Orgs instead) and this poor schlub would natter about how somehow they pulled it in, etc.
Anyway, have a happy new year, enjoy your weekend and let’s see what 2023 has to offer!
Maybe the headline breaking news conviction of a certain global religious leader?
Cult “bumper snickers”, more like. he’s spouting scn pablum phrases strung together in nonsense patterns; he might as well have been quoting “Alice” phrases like, “OFF with her head!”, which would be closer to the truth of scn’s position on the SP who blew the SO.
Divorce his stupid ass.
Common sense outsiders wanted, to interact with fanatical Scientologists.
Only duty minded people and virtuous can tolerate Scientologists, so only unflappable persons need apply.
“Volunteer Meet and Talk To Scientologists Club”
I think only complete outsiders could ever get thru.
Anyone with any foreknowledge of Scientology not wanted for the club.
——————————-
One of the reasons I never disseminated to anyone in my family about Scientology, was for the disconnection backlash.
My brother, who is or was an agnostic atheist liked to call Scientology devil worship. As in, “Hey Chucky, how’s the devil worship?” when he was checking up on me in Sea Org.
Hubbard WAS a devil worshiper when he was hanging out with Jack Parsons.
Public innately smell the stink Scientology exudes, thanks to the word having spread.
The world’s “Grade 0” on Scientology thankfully counters Scientology’s hype self image.
There’s an “advanced” exercise you do on Key to Life Course, called “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics”.
It’s a tedious exercise, which as a course supervisor, I had to “grade” hundreds to thousands of the Scientology student trainees’ final paperwork they did when they each did this exercise.
It’s hard to describe, it’s such deep weeds mental fog self delusional dreaming, that the students think up to interweave their hopes of making the world better.
In Scientology’s files, the files called their “student files” which are kept of all the paperwork exercises and dreaming that the students do, one of the top 10 all time exercises that one does, and which you do where you participate building up your dreams of how much “good” you can theoretically do in Scientology, this “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics” truly can “keep someone going” in support of all things Scientology is supposedly doing “across the dynamics”.
The dupes provide their own dream raw rah rah power, and then Hubbard’s exercises in some of the Hubbard “courses” studied, the dupes will infuse the exercises as an outlet to a dupe’s raw dreams of bettering the world.
The Hubbard “courses’ help cement a dupe’s raw dreaming power into what they think they are doing in the world.
When Mike provides all these promotional things the Scientologists think they are doing, I as a former course supervisor plug every one of these self promotional dreaming right into all the Hubbard course room exercises I witnessed the student trainees do, in all the years I was a Flag Course Sup.
Scientologists that way build their own personal concrete illusion of what they think they are doing.
The “wins” or successful final paperwork exercise, especially the “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics” exercise, is a biggie, depending on how much dreaming you infuse into it, and how cleverly and extensively you cement all of Scientology’s front groups’ faux activities into your paperwork you write up for your own “Conditions and Exchange by Dynamics” exercise.
Some students were quite brilliant in infusing their gullible raw dupe hopeful dreaming into their course room exervises.
I read tens of thousands of student trainees’ paperwork exercises, the course supervisor has to grade them all for orthodoxy.
A whole lot of wishful thinking being cemented into people’s heads as followers.
Chuck Beatty
x Flag Course Sup, 1977 to 1983, with one year off being busted to “word clearer”
Thank you all for your comments, which I am still reading and considering.
Do legitimate scientology recovery groups exist, particularly in the Austin TX area?
I am not now, nor was I ever, a member; an *opportunity to join dianetics did present itself, in Santa Barbara in the mid-1980s. My then-fiance was embarrassed by my loud gum snapping in non-verbal response to some/ much of what the pitchmen were spewing. As I recall, I was pressed (by a gal ) to decide if I wanted to be there, which I did, so we left the recruitment meeting.
Currently in a relationship with a former member who exited, I am looking into potential resources.
https://theaftermathfoundation.org/
I think this RB entry reveals much about the inner dynamics of the COB era of the church, and indirectly lays bare their Achilles heelâa chasm between the tech trained, and the newbies and long-time scios who have never had any auditor training.
For sake of example, letâs put the wife in the role of the well trained auditor. She speaks in specifics and has little tolerance for âno results.â The husband can only speak in vague PR platitudes that have no practical value. He just âgoes on hopingâ that everything will turn out all right. The more experienced wife knows that one of the cardinal rules of auditing is that you never âgo on hopingâ when the auditing process isnât moving in the right direction.
I was on the SHSBC course for a couple of years back in the early eighties, and the BC students were typically the most savvy scios in the org. Consequently, they always tended to be the trouble-making instigators who werenât shy about citing bad or misapplied tech or policy. And if you were tech staff, you could get into serious trouble for making waves. Our head sup at ASHO Foundation BC was one of those wave makers, apparently. She was quietly removed, and I never saw, or heard about her again.
It was impossible not to notice the strange and severe changes going on. But savvy ASHO students knew better than to query sudden or unusual changes going on in the org. Those who did, exposed themselves to what we called âheavy ethics.â It was the beginning of a mass exodus of staff and students in the LA area. Some just faded away. Others started Free Zone groups and alliances. The rest probably began a descent into an evolving Doubt Formula, waiting and scheming to make their exit move as quietly as possible.
What irony. It was the tech (and green-on-white policy for that matter) that was COBâs biggest enemy. Itâs no mystery to me that he had to eliminate the Briefing Course. The last thing he wanted was staff and public who knew more about LRH material than he did. And worse, they knew how to apply it. So, in classic totalitarian fashion, COB got rid of all of them, leaving a clueless and inept minion of sycophants, compliant followers, and deluded cultists. Good luck with that Munchkin Man.
This is like Joseph Rutherford taking over Jehovah’s Witnesses after Charles Taze Russell died and getting rid of Russell’s “Studies in the Scriptures” book series because the teachings conflicted with his own evolving theology.
The Twit⢠was easy to know more than. He seems afraid of any standard tech or admin. I’m actually a bit surprised that he was able to battle his way to the top of the scientology hierarchy, considering how little he studied of the topics, and how poorly I observed that he retained the material in ’76, only weeks after he dropped out of a decent high school and began his scn career. Is there NOTHING he hasn’t changed?
So true. So sick. My parents were never Scientologist but because they were “connected” to me, my brother could never speak to them in the final years of their life. There are probably 100,000 versions of this story in the wake of this cult. It is no wonder that surveys of the general public show Scientology disliked at the same level as Satanism.
If I had to choose, I’d pick Satanism over Scientology. I imagine Satanists have a lot more fun.
When was the last time a Satanist had to disconnect?
Tuesday. The devil made him do it.
đđđđđđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Before McSavage took the reins, scn was a bit more fun. It wasn’t any more effective, of course, but you had a “certainty” that you were advancing step by step and no one was throwing you down the chute to restart everything all over again.
As I see it, satanism allows you to chart your own course, create your own processes leading to your goal of global domination. It didn’t WORK either, of course. Like father (Crowley) was son Hubbard
If only more disconnection victims would raise high holy hell about the cult’s practices. The first step is for all of them to contact their political representatives demanding investigations and tax changes. There are so many things that could be done it’s unbelievable. But it has to come from the victims, everyone else will just be ignored.
Yeah. If all the disconnected and disaffected filed suits against McSavage’s little fiefdom, Davey-boy would experience some of the grief he and his minions caused to the US legal system while beating the IRS to a pulp. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving entity. Perhaps some of that tax-free money would be frittered away before DwarfenfĂźhrerÂŽ could flee to Belgravia for his anticipated retirement, not that he truly has any actual job to retire from. Downing vast quantities of whiskey and flailing his arms against his subordinates is hardly a job for him – it’s his pleasure.
Horribly sad.
oh my gawd. You have got it down. Those two people could be my husband and me about 9 years ago.
As the mother of two sons, your story really resonates with me. I pray your son in the cult will have an awakening and soon! Just know you have people who pray for you and hope for the best for your family. You are a very brave mother and I admire you.
Wow. It is so heartening to know there are people like you that have my back and are rooting and praying for people like me. What a pleasant surprise this was to read your post. Thank you!!!
I wouldnât be surprised if the COS makes a positive reference about themselves in their statement on the recent death of a Riverside County sheriffâs deputy.