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UK “Pub Quiz”

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This is a really weird one.

Surely it is some form of fundraising — but with a 25 pound “entrance fee” and “top prizes” being awarded, even if they got 20 people to sign up (doubtful) they’re not making much money…

Or maybe the quiz is “How much money do you have available?” “Can you apply for a loan?” “Have you taken out a second mortgage on your house?” “Do you really need a second car?”

But you have to wonder: Why aren’t they doing their extension courses?

And how is this better than bowling or other dilettante activities Hubbard was so derisive of? A Pub Quiz?

Seems terribly off-Source to me.

 

 

 

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  1. Try the EverClear. It is not syrupy.
    And, if you don’t like it, just pour it into your car’s gas tank. Gas is normally 10 % alcohol anyway, a car will probably run with EverClear.

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  2. Dear George, In Texas I was drinking 190 proof EverClear staight out of the bottle. A few chugs of that would put just about anyone on the deck.
    On the Freewinds Pool Deck one Christmas Eve the bosuns party was starting and The Purser ( Treasury Sec) Raef Warren was there in a costume that said “Rent A Pirate” on it.
    Behind him on the shelf were rows of quart bottles of Brugal (I called them Brutal) 151 proof rum. There was enough alcohol there to get everyone on the ship wasted. It must have been leftover from when we bought the ship as there were at least 5 bars on board ( I think there was actually 7).
    Anyway Raef took a bottle down and poured some into a glass and took a little swig.
    Then he took another large glass and almost filled it up and placed it in front of me. I chugged about half of the glass and quickly set the glass down. This was smart on my part as I would not have held it for long. I took a step and it hit me. I caught my body just in time to keep it from hitting the deck.
    In Scientology there is a lot of talk about being cause. I got down to the point of wanting to be cause by overtly terminating my life. That was the greatest point of cause left. I still have leftovers from that.

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  3. Here’s a great question:

    “Of LRH’s three wives, did he, or did he not, have a second wife?”

    A very simple yes or no question, that even the great LRH had trouble in answering.

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  4. Off topic. Regarding violence in the SO. MMike, in 1979-80 we were in CW., I was management evaluator, Kerry Gleason was our CO, you and Cathy were therej. At that time the violence had not yet filtered down to Flag, only harsh “ethics” dished out by the CMO. Can you shed light into why we weren’t targeted for slapping, punching and spitting? The worst I experienced was Kerry banging his desk and shouting for better stats but never using bad language or insulting us. So why were we spared?

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    • Mike, I neglected the most important part of my post which is to sincerely wish that you and your family are safe and well at this heavy duty time in our lives. Be well Rinder Clan

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  5. OT Hello Mike,
    Regarding your previous post concerning violence in the SO, remember our time in 2978-79 when I was a management flag evaluator at FLB Clearwater? You were there with Cathy who was also an evaluatorevaluator, our CO was Kerry Gleason and Bill Franks and other big names were still there.
    I wonder if you have any info as to why the physical violence that existed up lines hadn’t filtered down to Clearwater up to 1981. Sometime in 1981 you came to CW and tried to recruit me to go go “over the rainbow” to “join LRH” . ( I know you don’t remember because you told me so when we met in London years ago)
    But my question is why didn’t the violence filter down to Flag at that time? Was the old man gone to la la land by then and the CMO didn’t want bad PR at the FLB? Can you shed light on that? At that time the worst we had at management
    Was Kerry banging his fist on his desk and shouting for better stats but no bad language or insults.
    The only noticeable thing was CMO harsh ethics and serious counter policy actions and injustice. I experienced their shit until I figured out Miscavige was running the show and left in 1981. To repeat my Q, why did we not have the violence tha was already happening up lines

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  6. On-SOURCE? “Source”, these days, is changing on a daily basis, depending on how hung-over (or soused) The Twit™ is at any particular moment.

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  7. I hate to burst the bubble’s bubble, but there’s lots of FREE shit out there on youtube, facebook etc., that are much better options. And did I mention that they’re free?

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    • I don’t know if the UK is into bowling. I always thought that that was an American sport.
      However, they are into horse racing which LRH equates with bowling in the reference mentioned by Mike.

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    • Dude if you’re going to tout a post somewhere, do it where we can see it without having to create an account and log in to a forum. Putting stuff behind a password wall and just linking to it is not cool.

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      • I must be lost because I have never had trouble seeing the posts ISNOI News links to. I just clicked one and it took me straight to the forum post. I didn’t have to create an account to view the items. Like most forums you have to create an account to post but not to view. Maybe I’m missing something?

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  10. Maybe the explanation can be found by looking at this from their point of view.

    The “TOP PRIZES” are that you get to donate all the money you have now, all the money you can borrow now, all the money you may ever have in the future plus all the money you may ever be able to borrow in the future.

    The top prize also includes these fabulous bonus prizes:

    . You get to sell your house and your car plus all your worldly possessions and donate that money too.
    . You get to dress in rags and starve on the street while begging for money that you will also donate.
    . You get to beg your relatives to pay for your grave and that money will be paid to the scam while they will arrange for your body to be dumped into some van down by the river.

    Can that possibly be the explanation?

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    • Skyler, “normal” prises are sheets of paper declaring “we all won”. TOP prises are plastic bowling trophies, like the (smaller) IAS ones.
      And you observed:” they will arrange for your body to be dumped into some van down by the river.”

      That’s JUST what a tiny, failing, shrinking protection racket like the Twit’s™ would offer —and fail to deliver.

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    • Why the van? Why not just dump it in the river?

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        • They want it to be found. Youve heard of “Head in a pike? Why would they put it on a pike if they were hiding their work?

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    • Skyler. I thought that the general statistics of the cult had to do with Auditors Made and Value of the Service Delivered (VSD) instead in the end it is always the good old GI (gross income). How boring.
      Sure, you can give them anything you own that week. Next one they are again looking for someone like you to make stats.

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      • Loosing, the TOP level stat of the CoS per Hubtard is the Amount of money stashed in SO bank accounts. PERIOD!

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        • Wynski clear. I understand now why they aren’t releasing a cent to help any org.
          Hcopl about what an exec want on his lines must have been tattooed in the faces of many.

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          • I suppose my posts were somewhat vague.

            What I meant to say was from the bizarre point of view of the scam, someone who donates all their money and all their worldly possessions plus all their future earnings plus everything else they can imagine … are receiving some kind of great honor because …

            It is a great honor to commit financial suicide if you donate all the proceeds to the scam. I understand that makes no sense and it certainly makes no sense to anyone who doesn’t understand the power of mind control. But I believe that is the prevailing thinking among people who have been brainwashed and who operate under the control of some criminal scam.

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            • Skyler. You comment was clear. I just lost myself a bit on other talks.
              You are just right. The guy get regged to the last drop of blood. He knows that isn’t OK and is a suicide. But the regges are so bastard that usually say that he is doing a theta action and positive postulate and can’t be reverse effect of it.
              Sure. We know many of them.

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            • “It is a great honor to commit financial suicide if you donate all the proceeds to the scam.”

              You’re being amusing and sarcastic, Loosing but this happens to be spot on true. I knew Scientologists who were very proud of incurring onerous debts they had not a chance in hell of paying off, so they could donate all of it to the cult. I listened to them BRAGGING about NOT having paid bills like credit cards and taxes and instead shunting that money to Scientology. And I heard them lauded by the staff, praised to the skies by the staff for this extreme financial irresponsibility. Yes, these people got praise for not paying their bills and giving the Church of Scientology the money instead! PRAISE! For this deplorable behavior! It blew my mind then and it still blows it now! Thank God I was never THAT craven for approval. I craved approval from them, yes, but not to that extent.

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        • Wynski, I’ve always admired your ability to get a point across but next time feel free to be more direct 🙂

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  11. Back in the day shortly before my name became mud I was routinely getting texts and calls from CLO UK for raffles. Bikes or whatever. I responded with that bowling reference. It’s uncanny how some can become so blind whenever it suits them, even in the face of so-called Source.
    Guess what our favourite thing to do was whenever we won the birthday game? Bowling. Always felt a little dirty.😉

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    • Paul commented:”even in the face of so-called Source.

      My lovely dyslexia delivered that phrase as “even in the farce of so-called Source.”
      I like dyslexia’s version better.

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    • Hi Paul,

      We never met when I was on the outside protesting and you were on the inside, but I just wanted to say that I’m glad to see you out and having a sense of humour about it.

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      • Cheers mate. Took a while but there’s just so much you’ll put up with and just so much you can keep ignoring or explaining away. Everyone seems to have their own tipping point. After that it’s just a question of how honest you want to be with yourself and how much humble pie you’re willing to consume!

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  12. A pub quiz? Well here’s some questions to include.

    1. Where’s Shelly?
    2. Where’s Hubbard himself?
    3. What is David Miscavige’s tech training level?
    4. Why is Diana the only family member still in?
    5. What were Hubbard’s exact words when the GO told him of Quentin’s suicide?

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    • Glenn asked:
      “3. What is David Miscavige’s tech training level?

      OBVIOUSLY, he has more training than the Class XIIs Ron trained personally, especially David Mayo, chosen by Ron as Senior C/S Int. He’s also “qualified” to correct Ron’s published works.
      4. Why is Diana the only family member still in?
      Because she’s tougher than Dwarfenführer®.

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    • Miscavige’s training level is Chapter 2, Evolution of a Science, Extension Course.

      Hey Dave, get in the game! Your chapter 3 answers are 30 years overdue !!!

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    • I’ve got a few pub questions for these idiots:

      In the past 5 years,
      How many auditors did Scientology train?
      How many Clears did Scientology produce?
      How many OTs did Scientology make?
      And last but not least,
      How many new, never in Scientology before raw public started on entry level basic courses in the past 5 years?

      I’ll bet these questions, asked by a Still In today, could get them written up, and ultimately, declared. Seriously.

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  13. I wonder how long it will be before the Freewinds and the Super Power building get turned into casinos. A Pub Quiz, car wash, bowling tournament are fine for a small struggling org but to really be “ideal” and think BIG, it is time for OT Casinos!!!

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    • Mat:

      The idea of making the SP Building over as a casino is WIZARD! Not only does it vastly improve the possible flow of CASH into The Twit’s™ coffers, but, properly done (what are the odds? ), it could revitalize Clearwater’s downtown and FLOOD new names & addresses into CF, a “win,win,win” for everyone.
      ** sorry for indicating a GOOD IDEA to our OSA blog-watcher and thus The Twit™ **

      Please forgive me, guys.

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    • I am surprized that DM did not have us build a bowling alley on the Freewinds.
      At least he kept us busy approving renos and then when he arrived having them torn down and starting over because he did not like the color ( even though he had approved the exact color before we started) I heard that when the crew renovated A Deck where IASA was the carpet had to be torn out. Carpet usually has a 2 month lead time so Allah knows how they got the carpet changed after DM didn’t like the color.
      I was lucky. I was in charge of all Engine Room Repairs. MEST does not say one thing and change it’s mind on a whim. A machine I overhauled today will still be running tomorrrow or next year.
      Staff. “repaired” by DM are liable to be in the hole; the RPF or DEAD by next year. i chose DEATH and it appears to have been the right choice.

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    • The Freewinds was a casino ship when the Church bought it. The slot machines were removed the day before I cam aboard.

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    • If scientology ran a casino it would quicky lose it’s license.
      Every winning would be withheld unless you signed it over to the IAS.
      “There is no record that you won.
      “We can’t find your payment record.
      “That prize has already been collected.
      “You were supposed to collect between 1:00 and 1:30pm lines times only.
      “Did you read the new deffinition of winning?
      “We changed the rules. Didn’t your FSM tell you?

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      • “Every winning” Cece? There would be no winning in a scamology casino except for the House. 😉 Cash only flows in ONE direction in ANY scamology enterprise.

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      • Cece, I think you have an excellent understanding of how the scam operates.

        But it’s not really all that difficult. I’m fairly certain that you understand in order to gain that understanding, all you have to do is watch a bunch of hogs in a pig pen for a while and it will become obvious to you.

        They are like a bunch of pigs with a serious mental disease. The nature of that disease is that unlike normal hogs, they don’t eat all the food they can get themselves. Instead they give it to some “leader” hog – much like in George Orwell’s short novel, “Animal Farm”.

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      • On the subject of the Trump Taj Mahal, have you read the book by Chris Hedges; “America: The Farewell Tour”? It is a great book, well worth the read.

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    • Mat it was what I thought. One get regged for advance payments to be used in the OT casino. He plays and but doesn’t win anything.
      Then is taken and regged again for another sum.
      Of course, like those old casinos run by the mafia.

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    • Now you’re talking, Matt! I’ve long had this picture of Donald Trump buying the Super Power building. Not with his own money of course, but as one of his licensing/managing/ branding deals. Some Russian oligarch or Saudi prince etc could put up the money.
      The SP building is YUGE and its in his home state of Florida..Clearwater could be another Atlantic City for him…perfect. Precisely the kind of building he’d want to own and turn into a huge, lavish, over the top hotel/casino etc. with his name in gold emblazoned on it. He could call it The Trump Super Power Building. And probably would. Seriously, I’ve had this mental picture of this happening for years now, even before he ran for President! I’m not being political; I’m just sharing that I’ve long had this picture for some reason!

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    • That isn’t that far fetched in the current scene. There have been many ideal org fundraisers described as “Casino Nights”, in spite of what LRH wrote about gambling. Anything goes, as long as an activity raises a lot of money and doesn’t break too many laws…

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    • Queen B. True. And it may just be the tip of the iceberg of true desperation in which they are starting to awaken.

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  15. Anything makes sense in scamology if it involves moving money from dupes to the “church”. ANYTHING

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    • Wynski. I don’t know how they will invoice this income (other income, FO#3? ) but sure that the FP (financial planning) will be pretty much poor.
      I am laughing if any FBO asked for a review of the FP#1.
      Still laughing.

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      • Loosing, CMO will declare it illegal income because no delivery and take it for themselves to spend of course.

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        • Wynski yes of course.
          I know these new income sources aren’t approved but nobody seems to say anything.
          No directions except extinction course.
          I wonder what’s really is the bottom they have reached so far.

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          • Oh, I see. Yes, DM shot everyone who questioned his zero exchange income plans. In the hole or declared.

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  16. Hey, Pub Quiz! Maybe if you can have a pint or two while participating in a scientology activity, the church could slow the number of people leaving!

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    • Additionally, having a pint or two makes the marks “unsessionable” for 24 hours, so it’s a WIN all the way around.
      Having their pockets, bank & brokerage accounts cleaned out is more fun in the casino than the Registrars’ offices, less painful.

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      • Don’t count on it, Jere. I was called for a metered roolback in 86 during a party. I showed the person that I had a beer and was drunk. She said don’t worry about it. She did the RB and then picked up the beer can and put it on a shelf. Then she went to get the examiner Laura Wolfe was the examiner (She was Solo NOTs D of P at the time). After she indicated the F/N I stood up and got my beer back.
        As I was leaving she asked me: Is that a beer? I took a big chug and said ” Yep; seems like beer to me”.

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  17. Pretty much off source I would say. Hubbard would probably get so pissed off to declare someone. He did it for less.
    The know how to make money is not their business. They just push people buttons and general scamming.

    A bit off topic. If they really want to go off source lets do it big time then. I can suggest the roulette.
    There is way i tried several times and it works. But it take sometime and need patience and one must follow the exact steps. It applies to the numbers not to colors.
    After all it is a technique, thus one isn’t even really betting.

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    • Hubbard would have lost his mind and declared the whole top management…oh that’s just DM now since Exec Strata is MIA permanently…but anyway he LOATHED ‘fund raising’ and stated to ‘make more money with Scientology’ (HCO PL 24 February 1964, Issue II, Org Programming, (OEC Vol. 7, p. 930) ). Basically what the IAS is doing is like a casino. You go in and you give your money away for a cheap thrill and then you leave and feel like someone has kicked the shite out of you. Same thing…only difference is that SOMETIMES at a casino you come out with more money than you came in with…but not often. What’s off source is the whole IAS scam.

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      • Linear. Just right. Looking at the current scene where, as you suggest, fundraising is just the top pratice, where there is no more real div 6 activities neighter the earlier spirit of gathering people togheter (not for regging), where the network is shrinking as never before and where a alien entity (IAS) is the heart of the cult, then I believe the first to be declared would/should be DM.
        Orgs are left alone to save their life’s, but also asked to strongly help the IAS.
        There is no more Ed int or exec strata and many don’t even remember of this int org structure. Now they know only David ‘the great’.

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      • Bill lol! You know what? I just realized that a lot of people are playing “Russian roulette” at this exact moment trying to don’t sink. These ‘OTs’ in UK as well the ED in Venezuela and many others in the SO. The only point is that they are left alone (you know an exec want just solutions) so any mistake would be a bullet from DM. Poor people.

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        • I was one of them.
          It got bad enough that I wanted to CSW for permission to die, but I knew it would never be approved. They were not about to let anyone off of either giving all the cash that they had?, could borrow, or steal. As for SO staff, as I was, they probably would have just tossed my carcass out into the street for the garbage disposal. My wife told me later that she would not have been allowed to go to my funeral; someone else would have been sent to wrap things up.
          It’s bad enough that they all but killed me, but then they urinated on my grave too.

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          • Bill wow that’s dramatic description indeed. And I understand. But you are here. Now, what about being whom is gonna piss on their grave?
            In my opinion they are well beyond the no return point. Our comments can help silently many persons. .

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  18. Which Org will win? Flag!

    £25 is very steep for a pub quiz. A charity quiz, maybe. I notice the prices are “top”, and not “cash”.

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  19. Brings to mind something I hadn’t thought of in decades … 1975 or so, one slow afternoon at the org and another CS says to me, “Hey, wanna go bowling?” … and we did … *Dan Koon, if you’re reading this, you already know who that was (and for other old timers, just think of the old TRs film that we were still watching in the early 21st century) …

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    • Joe: The only TRS film I know is TR4- The Professional TRs Course.
      The PRO TRs course was released at FSO in 1984. The day before it was released all crew could watch it on the 10th floor FH. There was a major event that day; like March 13th. They had kegs of Ocktoberfest beer from Munich there and I drank 5 or 6 beers, it was so good. Then I remembered the movie. I arrived at the 10th floor and I still had a full glass of beer. I realized that if they were playing the movie this was now a courseroom and alcohol was not allowed. Only one solution to that; I downed the beer and went in. There were all kinds of execs there; this was before management had moved to LA. By the time the movie started the screen was going around the room, that’s how drunk I was. There was COFB and CMO INT people and my entire attention was just not to fall on the ground in front of them.

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      • Yeah, those were the days, Bill. No more beer!

        Yes, the TRs film we had to watch over and over again on the Pro TRs Course, starring Dan Koon and Dan’s and my mutual good friend doing their TRs.

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  20. A pub as in a bar? I am confused, but that’s sort of my zip code state right now so no biggie.

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    • Peggy:
      When I was on the Freewinds during the Christmas season they had an Irish Pub; McLaughlins Irish Pub. Colin Mclaughlin, the President IASA Janet McLaughlin (Light, Andrews) husband was Irish.

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      • Wow Bill, sounds like at least one nice Christmas. So out of the ordinary for all you poor folks. Did Janet get in trouble for being kind?

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          • Oh brother, I should have guessed. Wish I could buy you a drink to celebrate that you are out of that rat’s nest.

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            • You can Peggy. Just let me know where you are. If you are within a few thousand miles of San Diego, I will come to you.

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  21. Scientologists are now in the street sewer. A Pub quiz would be something like “What brand of beer is
    most popular? ” “How many pints can you drink?”
    Strange promo

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    • Strange promo indeed!

      I think Queen B may have nailed it when she said, “The image and sounds of Desperation”.

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    • Fuck the beer. I drank a bottle and a half of 151 proof Bacardi at the 81 bosuns partiy in the S.O. , before they were squirreled into the ” Bosuns Revue, a kind of show put on. The 81 bosuns party was more of a blow attempt for me; a slightly better suicide attempt would have suceeded.
      The first year the show was put on, one of my juniors Keith Turner sat in the stands to comment on the skits. One of the signs he held up said ” NICE TITS”. Actually I drank 10 beers after the 151. Still no go.344 4 2

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      • That reminds time of the time after tenth grade that I drove Across The Tracks to buy booze. The helpful guys offered me a pint of Cherry Sloe Gin for a dollar over retail. That was the upcharge for being both white and underage. Over the course of the evening Stephanie and I drank the whole pint, splashed into warm Coca Cola. Properly stoked, we tried making out in my ’47 Ford, but her braces tasted particularly tinny that evening. So we took to the street to sing our good fortune at being young, dumb, and drunk as hell, or something. By midnight we had re-paved most of our residential street with ruddy pink vomitus. The horrid mess stretched curb to curb, and flowed over onto the well-manicured lawns of four or five neighboring houses, luckily stopping well short of our own yards.

        I soured on Cherry Sloe Gin forever, and the hot Texas sun bleached the street clean, ready for my next adventure in teen idiocy, ’60s version.

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        • Cherry Sloe Gin…ick…I think they gave it to you on purpose. Maybe trying to teach you a lesson. I had a friend that learned a similar lesson with MD 20/20 which he later referred to as ‘Satans Potion’.

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          • Mad Dog? Oh yeah, thats pretty good. My buddy an I got a bottle of 190 proof Everclear. We went to a club. We also had a bottle of 80 proof tequila and some beer. My friend got a little rowdy and we were asked to leave which we did.

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            • When I was 16 I drank almost an entire bottle of pre-mixed screwdriver. I didn’t like to drink. I hated the taste of everything including wine and beer. But I was alone in my then teetotalling tastes and it was not cool. This bottled screwdriver went down very easily like it was just orange juice or soda…glug glug glug…nothing to it. I was so proud of myself…wow was I cool, chug a lugging nearly the whole bottle like that. Everyone thought so. I was quite impressed with myself. That night, at home, I was so sick, so violently ill the entire night, throwing up until I thought I’d puke my stomach out. I couldn’t stop throwing up even thought there was nothing left in me to throw. To this day, many decades later, I still cannot think about vodka in combination with orange juice without feeling mildly nauseous. Just thinking about it is all it takes. I’m feeling it now, just writing this,and it was so long ago. Vodka? Ok occasionally. Orange juice? Love it. Together? OMG! AHHHH!

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        • I remember testing out Sloe Gin as a late teen. I never DID figure out how anyone could drink the syrupy stuff: GWOSS!

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