So much to unpack here.
This is an “Ideal Org” — Miscavige flew in and yanked his ribbon in January 2017.
An “ideal org” that in 4 years, like all the rest of them, has gone nowhere, let alone St. Hill Size.
According to Hubbard, they should have attained St. Hill Size in a “matter of weeks” and there should be a Universe Corps team there getting all the staff through their OT levels.
Instead, the ED and OES have just now completed their Objectives! Yes, the course that comes right after the introductory TR’s course and before any metered auditing takes place.
And they are announcing this as a big win and trying to use it to get people to actually come in and PAY for the course. Apparently they don’t have any paying customers who have completed and could thus be featured, so they are using these two. And Dana says “for the first time in a long time I feel VERY ready to get onto OT VII”??? Huh?
Is Dana an OT who has “not been ready” to take her next step? So she was sent back to the bottom of the bridge? Or is she a beginning scientologist who now thinks she might be ready to advance up the bridge (with no Universe Corps, that’s going to be virtually impossible). If it’s the former, every technical terminal should be screaming at the “out tech” indicator of someone NOT being ready for their next level… If the latter, how sad.
I don’t doubt that like most scientologists, and certainly a vast majority of Class V org staff, these are two very nice people who have devoted their lives to a cause they think is helping people. Unfortunately, they’re doing no such thing, and their “wins” are nowhere near commensurate with their sacrifices. Sadly, this is what scientology epitomizes. In the words of Hubbard — Condition 1 exchange.
With what I know now, if I had to give gushing praise to das dwarfenfuehrer in my Success Story instead of an F/N you would get a dial wide R/S.
I think you meant to say Missbräuchlicher Zwergenführer … Abusive Dwarf Leader.
Thank you. My German is a bit rusty.
I don’t think they really want staff ‘clear’ and ‘OT’ because the failure of the orgs would be harder to explain or rationalize away then, and staff’s inability to ‘make it go right’ in spite of high levels of supposed attainment would then call into question all the claims of Scientology.
Hey Dana & Simon Lee,
Why don’t you even TRY to take those beautifully framed “documents” to a LEGIT EMPLOYER outside the realm of the bubble you’ve existed in for so long & see if these framed beauties can get you a REAL PAYING JOB in the outside world.
Of course, with the shortage of toilet paper these days….they MGHT be good for ass wiping.
Dear Dana and Simon,
If/when you realize you are in a hole ; please stop digging.
Dear Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass: I read all the words of this incredible story about what you and the other fine members of the ship’s engine team go through (or went through). I wholeheartedly agree, the “Stat Push” mentality—which is supposed to be off-Policy—is dominant, prevalent, and mighty destructive. It’s all, ultimately, a massive sad scene.
Also, your story of a meter read on “Has anyone told you that these processes were not necessary?” struck a note. You are only the second person from whom I have heard an instance of this. Another was a friend at an East US org, on one of the Key to Life clay table processes, grinding and grinding for weeks and falling apart in life. Finally, a “KTL Clay Table Review List” was run, one of those 4-pagers where the auditor assessment of the person on the meter goes on for a bit.
As my friend tells it, the last question on the last page was: “Was this process not necessary in the first place?” A big “clang,” as you would say, on the meter. Somehow, some way she had walked into that course already in full possession of one of the important “End Phenomena” (EPs) of the Clay Table Processing steps.
To me, sounds like you are each powerful, capable individuals, already yourself in full possession of good wisdom, high awareness, and other good stuff.
Best to you.
Simon says (pun intended) “I have regained huge parts of Myself and handled things that were not me.” Sounds schizophrenic.
Funny how when you are in these nebulous statements seem to make some sense and goals worth pursuing.
Right, Richard. It’s like that throughout scn, due to Hubbard’s conditions he desperately tried to deal with, unsuccessfully apparently, judging by his actions towards his end.
Sounds schizophrenic!!! It is schizophrenic!!!
Insincere praise keeps the quackery “working.” The diehards are allowed to get away with acceptably insincere praise testimonials. Keeping Quackery Working rules of Hubbard only allows the followers to be at fault, so they fake things or else.
Always Hubbard’s fault for this charade he’s gotten the captive audience dupes to play act their “successful” quackery faux benefits. Or else!
Keeping Quackery Working – laughter – KQW
You already have the start of a brand new list.
The “wins” of the older timer diehard Scientologists are strained, too practiced, and horribly insincere.
Blind insincere dupes spouting gaga praise talk of Hubbard’s Xenu’s body-thetans exorcism snipe-hunting quackery stepladder redo-over steps.
But it’s always Hubbard’s fault. He set the die for the followers always making the quackery “work”, even though that is impossible to make this snipe-hunting exorcism quackery to actually do anything except the sometimes placebo benefit some get from it.
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM BIG METROPOLITAN CITY
We are pleased to announce that the Director of City Schools has just retaken 4th Grade Spelling and PASSED.
Our hearts swell with pride at this amazing accomplishment and we offer our profoundest congratulations to our Director, as no longer will spelling words like crayon, oatmeal or ditch befuddle this high ranking official.
I don’t know about you, but I might have trouble passing that 4th grade spelling test without this built-in spell-checker I depend upon these days. Even better: looking up any word is just 1 click away.
King Theodoric the Ostrogoth lived in the 5th Century AD in Italy. He was famous for inviting his beaten rival to dinner and strangling him with his bare hands. Theodoric was also famous for promoting Boethius to consul and then having him executed. Theodoric was a terrorist and Hubbard probably copied him for his fair game policies. Here is what Boethius wrote about the situation he was in before his execution.
SONG V.
The Former Age.
Too blest the former age, their life
Who in the fields contented led,
And still, by luxury unspoiled,
On frugal acorns sparely fed.
No skill was theirs the luscious grape
With honey’s sweetness to confuse;
Nor China’s soft and sheeny silks
T’ empurple with brave Tyrian hues.
The grass their wholesome couch, their drink
The stream, their roof the pine’s tall shade;
Not theirs to cleave the deep, nor seek
In strange far lands the spoils of trade.
The trump of war was heard not yet,
Nor soiled the fields by bloodshed’s stain;
For why should war’s fierce madness arm
When strife brought wound, but brought not gain?
Ah! would our hearts might still return
To following in those ancient ways.
Alas! the greed of getting glows
More fierce than Etna’s fiery blaze.
Woe, woe for him, whoe’er it was,
Who first gold’s hidden store revealed,
And—perilous treasure-trove—dug out
The gems that fain would be conceal
Boethius, Consolidation of Philosophy
I’m not good at interpreting poetry. After word clearing “fain” the poem makes sense.
adverb
gladly; willingly:
He fain would accept.
adjective
content; willing:
They were fain to go.
Archaic. constrained; obliged:
He was fain to obey his Lord.
Archaic. glad; pleased.
Archaic. desirous; eager.
Good point, Richard. As a former student of Latin, I was tempted to post it in the original language. But I changed my mind remembering that many have never studied the language.
The other telling tidbit is that these breath-taking successes demand TWO graduation ceremonies. 5:30 AND 9:15! Bringing two credit cards gets you into both…
Their Success Stories are marginally better than the lady I heard at mandatory Friday night graduation in the Starlight Cabaret on the OTVIII ship Freewinds who said that the Route to Infinity Course was ALMOST as good as taking LSD.
Some of you will not believe that happened in front of CMO, et al. I couldn’t believe it either.
COCMO waved her hand an a Messinger routed the lady from the stage straight to ETHICS.
My lovely wife was the DIR I AND R FSSO now COFSSO (well she was lovely when she was not ripping some poor dumb bastards face off) but since she was doing the Ethics Conventions on the ship and hung out with DM a lot, she, like myself, just had to do what she was good at which was face ripping. Unless she learned it from DM, I hope she patented it, because she is now 70 years old and will hopefully retire eventually as I have done already.
LRH said in LRHED 339R that the difference in getting the org to St Hill size and not doing it is having the purpose of doing it and then doing it.
“On every post, there was no other fish to fry”.
Nowadays, kissing DMs ass is a important part of every post. If they fail in doing that there is nothing else they can do as they will not be there to do it.
So everyone has other fish to fry.
My life is now , metaphorically speaking, fish and chips, 24/7 …
Bill, I was the CS when Sharron was on her Dianetic internship way back in the ’70s. She was “uber bubbly” in those days and, as I recall, a pretty good auditor.
But when most people rise up the org board, their worst latent qualities just come to the fore big time . In Scientology, when you do not appear to be a “tough enough” exec, you are quickly demoted. I was lucky enough to “fall” from Org Officer to CS (but only because I was already tech trained and the post was really needed, otherwise I would have been back in mimeo).
Ain’t retirement great, Bill? Every day’s Saturday, no thursday @2 PM insanities; just the blessed sanity of the “wog” (real) world. 🤩
They should change those ribbons to chains, because basically Miscavige has been yanking our chains for years on these Ideal Org openings.
Iirc, Simon is a trained auditor ( I think Grad V) if not a C/S himself. Both are “OT.”
Yet they are back to “Just completing Objectives.”
Just goes to show how absolutely brain-dead one has to be to continue in this toxic kult mind-wipe. I’m glad I’m out of it and so are my kids.
Times over equals certainty (dupes need periodic redoing of the quackery and re-praising it, over and over, to keep this scam on the road).
Well observed, Mike. The transformation from “Objectives” to “Survival Rundown” was in late 2011 or early 2012. While many people no doubt have been through it, org staff are the last people who have a chance at doing this or any other enhancement action. Not unless they fight and scramble and, of course, do it “on their own time,” of which they have little or none. People fulfilling important posts in Class V orgs are given almost no opportunity for actual auditing or “relief” from their “aberrations.” If care for all humanity, each soul’s sanity and freedom truly were #1, these conditions would not be so. And yet they are rampant.
One of the wise conjectures on this topic from a member of this community, Aaron Smith-Levin, is that if Scientology was truly keen on clearing the planet, they would place importance on having individual orgs staffed by a team of 100% State of Clear or above. There would be “no stops or barriers” to such. By their own credos and beliefs, this would make for, not only an entire team of brilliantly functioning staff, it would make for, as well, the more attainable realization of a booming org because public would not be put into (instead) ongoing series of upsets and difficulties with individual staff.
Anyone who was ever in encountered these, upon which ultimately someone would tell you the staff member can’t really helped themselves because they are still aberrated, they are “low on the Bridge.” Or if the person is a Clear, concerning their awkward (or crazy) behavior, you would be told, “Well, you know what LRH says: a Cleared Cannibal is a cleared cannibal.” (#MoreFamousJustifications)
Much of the year of 2020 was a golden opportunity for the Church of Scientology. If they are serious about their altruistic stated aims—and any staff member should get woke and see this—they could have, individual by individual, gotten every single Class V org staff member who is not yet Clear into the State of Clear. The orgs were closed for months. Some may be still closed. What a golden opportunity, finally, to invest in staff (as any wise employer does) and move each of them up “their Bridge to Total Freedom.” Put a team of 100 percent Clear and above case state into each building.
But no. Org staff, as ever, are largely hammered upon, incited with fear, given steady and impossible targets, robbed of financial security or motion toward either prosperity or “total freedom.”
On the plus side—so unusual in Scientology—SRD could be considered affordable. You pay one set price, and then you get all the co-audit supervision and case supervising you desire to deliver to one another. I am sure others have paid attention to this, as well. Twinships often give each other 100 or more hours of Objective Processing and the price you pay is never different (based on hours).
This is entirely counter to the usual HGC arrangement wherein you pay by the hour, by the minute really since no D of P is going to allow a pc to go into a session if your folder shows you have less than 2 hours remaining. Hubbard Guidance Center teams are constantly sending you to the Registrar and the Cashier to keep you paying for and banking hours. Especially in these advanced orgs and at Flag: the pressure for the HGC to keep “selling” the pc on doing more actions to “use up” all their hours so FSO can compel the pc to buy more is intense. I do not believe a pause or “preclear have his win” is allowed, in favor of more delivery and more rege-ing.
For this reason, Survival Rundown stands out as unusual. However, at this point, for two veteran Class V Org staff members, the 3rd dynamic (group) win would have been allowing them to do the action when it came out… nine years ago!
I did the SRD in 81 or 82 shortly after it’s release at Flag. (I was FSO staff). It was OK but did not go too well. I got a review session and the auditor used the SRD correction list. She got a read on “Has anyone told you that these processes were not necessary? Clang! She steered me with the recurring read and I thought ” Oh shit, I cannot tell her that”. She finally pulled it out of me; LRH had told me that I was done with the process. She sent the folder back to the C/S. I half expected to be sent straight to ETHICS for my statement that LRH of all people told me that this process was not necessary.
But no, the C/S sent me to attest. Back then, they believed in their Tech. Now. I would take a 44 Magnum, once the most powerful handgun in the world, and blow my own head clean off before I would get auditing by anyone affiliated with the “Church”.
It’s one thing to be deluded. That’s bad enough. But to commit overts knowing that they are overts just because you are a piece of shit……..
Maybe some-one can explain that to me.
I was a fucking peon in the FSO at the time. They sure as shit did not promote my SRD attest. They certainly would not have promoted the fact that LRH told me, last lifetime, that I was finished with the process. I have had some kick-ass wins in Scientology. Many of them were before you or I were even born.
I really pity those poor dumb bastards going into an org now.
From what I have read, it is much worse than when I was in.
I would certainly not had such wins in Scn today. So, either I am a psycho, or those poor fucks in orgs today had better save up their $50 bucks a week until they can buy a 44 Magnum, though that is not really needed.
DM’s Mother in Law supposedly killed herself with about 5 shots from a 22.
Why do I deserve a 44 Magnum to blow my head clean off when other equally deserving fucks have to settle for a 22 or 38. I should be able to eat beans and rice with the rest of them.
Bill, you’re CLEAR of that mess, now.
Take the win of living well.
Believe me, Jere, I have
The SWEETEST revenge you have is that you are STILL here to speak out about the evils of this “organization”. Without people like you, ….people like me…a “never in”….would have no idea as to what lengths they go to get every penny a member has….. & MORE.
The sweet smell of freedom from the (I think those in refer to it as) “mind fuck” is similar to other CULT religions….but THIS one is far worse.
Dear Bill……thank you for your enlightening many of us…..I have had friends involved with the Moonies, Children of God, Hare Krishna…..all were cast under similar spells…some broke free but it totally messed them up for life….a few recovered….& a few ended their lives.
Keep up the good work Bill…..keep fighting to stay well to continue to speak out……WE NEED to hear it all.
Great! Stay healthy and show those SOBs what life is, not that cat-eat-cat game of “survival” they live in.
Peridot:
I think that the reason they have not gotten Clears to man orgs is a result of stat pushing.
DM is a hard working staff member (All heil).
Say he has a target; he has to get 5 new “Ideal Orgs” by March 13. Hundreds or even thousands of staff run around to make the target. DM needs to get his target met to maintain control of the Church.
Otherwise the whales might eat him like they did with Jonah.
I will give you an example that I am personally familiar with:
I. the year 2001 i.e. AD 51 which was my last year in the S.O. before being sent off to die the Freewinds Engine Room had a target to install a
additional Air Conditioning chiller units which cool the ship. The ones we had were working fine; I had personally overhauled and serviced them for the last 16 years Now a new chiller unit costs several hundred thousand dollars and is usually done in drydock (Continued)
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Now, you don’t just go to the store and buy a chiller unit, even if you have the money, which we did not. You have to order it months in advance and they make it the way you order it. But in 2001, by the time the ship came up with the money to order it, it was too late for them to make it. Now, that is no excuse for us, we just have to “Make it go right”. Maiden Voyage Anniversary is on a certain day; either the target is met or it is not.
So a unit was ordered which likely was not made for a ship. A ship uses salt water from the Sea to cool the condenser which cools the refrigerant which cools the ship. Salt water requires a material which will not corrode, usually titanium. But all we could get was a steel one. So we had to get 2 titanium heat exchangers and a pump to pump the water fresh water through the condenser. This is also less efficient as there is some loss of heat conduction each time it has to go through another heat exchanger. This was probably why the unit failed a year later after I had been sent off to die of AIDS. All of this additional equipment required takes a lot of work to install and since it arrived late, we were working around the clock to get it done. The actual unit did not arrive on the dock until the day the ship sailed from Curacao to go to the area of the Maiden Voyage Anniversary Events. We installed it in the days at sea it took to get there and it weighed several tons and overheads had to be torched out and the unit lowered into position. I was in charge of the installation. I finally finished the mechanical part as Maiden Voyage was beginning. COB and the Int Execs were aboard.
However, the electrical starting box had not yet arrived. The unit was in place and piped up. Etc but there was no power to run it. We did not even need it at this point. The two existing units were running fine and I had just personally rebuilt one of the compressors and changed the bearings on the electric motor as the electrician whose job it was was off post writing POs for Reno’s which were other targets which were being done.
By now the Maiden Voyage had started. DM usually did the opening night event. That night, as the electric box had finally arrived, the electrician had to connect the wiring from the power supply from one of the existing units to the new box.
To do this he had to shut down one of the existing units. This could only be done at night as at night no-one was in the restaurants and course rooms and so those fans could be shut off. The Electrician could not finish the cycle that night as he needed a mount or something welded which I had to get one of my juniors to do. They had to start the A/C unit back up that they had shut down and finish the work the next night .
Day 2 of the Maiden Voyage the briefing was done by the Captain Freewinds Mike Napier.
Now the speeches are all written in advance up-lines by Int personnel long before Maiden Voyage.
So the Captain’s speech went on about the accomplishments of the ship in the last year. He went on about this new State-of-the Art Air Conditioning system that had been installed.
As the Captain was giving his speech about the new A/C system (which was not finished yet) the electrician worked to complete his cycle of the night before which again involved shutting down one of the existing A/C units because you cannot connect electrical cables to terminals which have 380 Volts going through them.
This time he finished the work. However, when they went to start the A)C unit up again, the circuit breaker in the Control Room tripped. There was a serious overload somewhere.
By now it was morning and they had to turn on the fans for the course rooms and the dining areas.
In the area where the ship operates it is warm enough and the high humidity that if the A/C fails everyone on the ship will start getting uncomfortably hot within 15 minutes.
The Captain called the Control Room and said we had 5 minutes to get it going. Then he had to go talk to DM.
After the long briefing to the passengers the night before about the new “State if the Art A/C system it became apparent that the Captain had lied to them. But I imagine that he had just read a speech written for him a month earlier.(Continued)
The A/C was off until about 7 PM. Although the new unit was installed and wired, we could not start it up because the rep from the company that made it had to do it.
We had the electricians from GOLD and the FLB electricians down there.
A number of WDC members were down there as well as CMO from the Ship, FLB and INT.
The problem was finally found to be a 10 dollar timer in the starting box. The Electrician had not done the maintenance on the box as he had been taken off post to write POs for the Reno’s.
Now the new unit had to be gotten going at all speed.
I had had no sleep, and I had full-blown AIDS. At 3 AM I begged the Chief Engineer for a couple hours sleep and was denied. I went back down in the ER but I was incapable of any real production. If I stopped in one spot my legs would buckle and I would fall down.
My intention to get the job done became the intention to get it hooked up so I could push the button and blow it up. In other words, I was insane. I knew that I was dying and maybe I could take some of the bastards with me.
I did the new SRD on a full-time schedule at an advanced org, as an OT.
Hundreds and hundreds of hours, non-stop, weeks, twinning on those “processes”
Just Op Pro By Dup alone, hundreds of hours (twinned)
Trs and Objectives trap people in the cult.
That’s what I see. I wrote glowing successes on each process.
Watch a Flag SRD course room. Straight up Lunatic Asylum.
Getting staff and public to do the SRD is smart. It cements them in. Pulls them back in if they were wobbling.
Trs and obj. were often “first wins”
Getting all staff to attest to ‘clear’ would be great … IF the state actually meant anything more than feeling good for a few days, perhaps weeks. My experience was: After weeks of a “floating TA”, I crashed lower than I had been high. A couple of other folks, I saw in my wanderings through the scn-watching sites, crashed worse than I did.
Perhaps that’s why Hubbard instituted the “non-interference zone”, to keep new ‘clears’ chasing the next carrot so they don’t have the time or space to look at their real situations and get horribly deflated; POP!
All attesting to ‘clear’ would do is make a few more die-hards, which MIGHT just be part of their solution.
Peridot, it’s ever the case: The cobblers son’s shoes, who watches the watchers?, etc.
Staff will forever be the last to reap the “benefits” of scientology.
Perhaps that’s by design, as the staff and crew are last to be dulled-down by the hypnosis in Tubby’s “tech”. They still stay about as bright and cheerful as when they were first conned into joining.
Very sad. The road of the church of scientology’s long demise continues to be strewn with the wasted and sometimes broken lives of those who believe its promises can be achieved.
COUNTERFEIT DREAMS (Jefferson Hawkins nailed it with the title of his book.)
Bingo, Mary!
And Happy Valentine’s Day sweetie. You deserve a wonderful day; preferably with loving family.
As usual their “Wins” are nothing more than $ci double talk.
It’s so tough to do a proper “success story” any more. By the time you do the process, you know the EP, and have to state that clearly while being able to keep a 4-swing FN going long enough to fool the Examiner. Your “success story”™ has to include some aspect of the demanded EP, and gushing praise to Dwarfenführer, the most successful SP and squirrel in scientology’s history.
AND you have to have that FN for the Examiner again. It’s so tough to get it all right.
Meanwhile, the only honest “win” for the Survival Rundown is:”I SURVIVED!” Objectives, as I recall, were pretty brutal on the Auditor and PC. DM’s supercharged, greatly expanded set of Objectives can only be described as cruel and unusual punishment for getting duped by the old man’s cons in this day and age.
I recently read in an HCOB regarding the OTDRD that you must never run an Objective that has already been run to E/P because it gets the BTs and clusters all fucked up.
I lucked out, LRH had told me last lifetime that the objectives were flat, and it read on the meter and they actually believed in their tech. Probably none of that is true today; i.e. If LRH did come back DM would either kill him or maybe he is locked up with Shelley.
With what I know now, if I had to give gushing praise to das dwarfenfuehrer in my Success Story instead of an F/N you would get a dial wide R/S.
🤩 The Hubs would LOVE to get imprisoned with Shelly, the Dirty Old Man… A chance to rape ANOTHER woman without her knowing it, or something. doesn’t matter she’d be younger than his youngest daughter or anything.
She’d be his ‘slave’ even as he was enslaved by Dwarfenführer/. Lots of time for his “sex magic”, not that it’ll accomplish anything THIS time, either.
In scn most activities – if not all – turn to be always a condition 1 of exchange – theft.
So many people went bankrupt or into chronic financial problems, others got sick on the OT levels cancer or even diabetes after completing OT V, to others went even worst.
Miles of great promises that gave back nothing.
This typical scn attitude of lying to get money and participation even on dead bodies really sucks.
All the pain perpetrated by the cult is just seen as a collateral damage.
And these two guys are smiling like nothing ever happened.
How fortunate that in their misfortunes as perennial deluded ones they still manage to believe that they are thinking for themselves and that they will make it. Sure.
LmR, the pain and destruction perpetuated by the organization is seen as necessary and required to achieve their goals, which for Dave is “Money, more money, ALL YOUR M-O-N-E-Y!!!!” Individual staff, AFAICT still believe in the mythology described in the PR and are working to achieve those pipe dreams. When I was Flag crew, we all were dedicated to those fables.
Jere I was dedicated too. But then we decided to woke up. Turning the head to the other side is a choice. Sorry but no forgiveness is allowed.
Jere and Loosing – I was dedicated too.
But after 23
years I was deadicated.
Loosing. Forgiveness is a good thing.
Before I meet my maker (which will probably not be long now) I would like to ask forgiveness for a few things:
I request absolution for any times that I have upset staff members or execs whose actions would have disabled or even caused the sinkage of the wessel had I not stopped it.
Above all, I request forgiveness for any extermination of any cockaroaches in the Sea Org, and for those that I am about to.
If the person knowingly was harming others, I agree that forgiveness might not be warranted, but if they thought that their actions would help the other(s), I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
But I’m not gonna get close enough to them to allow them a chance to slap my cheek again, so turning the other cheek doesn’t apply. “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on ME.