Tony Ortega already included a bunch of this series of posters in his Sunday Funnies last week — but he left some out (there are 13 of them in total).
Two I felt were important as they highlight points made by David Miscavige where he sold the brilliance of his “ideal org” strategy.
Just think about this for a second.
This is taken from the original Miscavige sales pitch on “why ideal orgs?” But it makes absolutely NO sense.
He had used the analogy of an auditing session to sell the original GAT and how you could not deliver a standard session unless you had all the elements present, including a trained auditor.
He thought that was so brilliant, he took it a step further to explain that you couldn’t possibly deliver scientology without an ideal org, because you couldn’t deliver a session without an auditor. But that is what is missing in his ideal orgs. They are buildings and don’t contain people (ie auditors). The crappiest org building in the world is still able to deliver auditing and training. It is a COMPLETELY inapt analogy, and yet they are STILL pushing it. Because David Miscavige said it — therefore it is true. Nobody thinks about it, nobody inspects it, they simply parrot it with complete certainty.
A “full third dynamic session” (whatever that is?) can only be delivered with an ideal org?
I see a LOT of “ideal orgs” who can’t even get a breath to register on a mirror, let alone deliver a full third dynamic “session.”
That was another of Miscavige’s pitched on Ideal Orgs that continues to be repeated as if it were true, when in fact it is demonstrably false.
These orgs are NOT opening new Narconons and Applied Scholastics groups or Missions or anything else. I doubt there is a SINGLE mission that exists today because it was opened as a result of the actions of an “ideal org.” You need look no further than the “ideal orgs” in LA/Orange County. Not a SINGLE new Mission in years, and a few closed down in that time. Tampa the same. Some Flag public were coerced into opening some missions years ago — JT’s “ideal” mission in Ocala is flourishing like Jenna Elfman’s in SFO and Anne Archer’s in Santa Monica (those two are gone entirely, his is still there, open a few hours a week), there is a dead test center in Plant City and an even deader on in St Pete and the “South Tampa Mission” closed down. No new Narconons. No new anythings. And Tampa and LA Org are the MODEL IDEAL ST HILL SIZE ORGS.
But again, because Miscavige said it, it must be true.
I hope the lawyers suing Narconon add this to their stack of evidence that the church is NOT a “disrelated activity” from Narconon.
Meja Deja says
“A full third dynamic session can only be achieved with an ideal org.” OMG
Jack Pinto and Co from ANZO going into hallucinogenic delusion, having ingested Miscavige fabrications.
The kind of BS that can be regurgitated or invented to justify a falsity never ceases to amaze. I suppose the spectrum of lies goes on ad infinitum too.
When are these whales and chumps going to get it into their heads that there will never be any expansion in terms of new public with money, paying to take the never-ending ride on the Dianetics-Scientology Bait-and-Switch Roundabout? Sane people these days don’t want that shit. Dianetics-Scientology is sixty years old and never was any good or its benefits would be widely known and recognised in present day. It isn’t. Dianetics is worthless shit. Scientology is worthless shit. A Scientology Clear, newly attested to, can’t do a damn thing except to cave in and hand over yet more money when they are told they “are at risk and must rapidly move up to OT III”. And when they get to OT III they have to telepathically audit out their space-cootie infection of body thetans. Raw meat wogs with money will find this stuff on the Internet. They are not going to hand over their money for insane rubbish like that therefore there will be no expansion. If the Church bypasses the auditing side and gets the raw meat friends and neighbors into the Org on their Fun(ding) Nights then they will witness the crush-regging that goes on all the time. They will get out of there quick and stay out and warn their own friends and family members.
These chumps and whales have got to be mentally deficient to 1) think that expansion will ever be possible and 2) part with money to try to make this impossible thing happen. So the only reason I can think that they are donating money to this is that they have been mentally damaged by Scientology and have no grasp on reality. That they are damaged and vulnerable people being exploited by an evil dwarf who himself knows that Scientology does not work and who would never waste his own time nor risk his own sanity by practising it.
Mike Rinder says
What you are not taking into account is the fact that people DO find something beneficial in scientology. It is an extremely important factor in the equation of why they buy into so much bs and stay part of a morally bankrupt organization. You can claim there is no proof of any benefits, but you are the not the one still handing over money. Those people DO believe there is something good — perhaps in the future, perhaps only promised, perhaps they have been convinced they have received some benefits and are easily duped. But you could take ALL those descriptions and apply them to every belief system from christianity to islam to judaism and even buddhism. Happiness and spiritual wellbeing, even eternal life are very powerful motivating forces. Because you don’t believe them, doesnt mean others don’t. You look at them as if they are crazy. They look at you as if you are someone to be pitied. There are posters here who are on both side of the equation.
Mike, if there were any hope of expansion then they now have vast space in their almost completely-unused premises and enough staff to run free seminars, free Dianetics workshops and do free Book One auditing and organise free Scientology co-audit to attract those people who might benefit from Scientology who might fuel the future expansion that they are hoping for. They are set up perfectly for this at present and I don’t see the whales and chumps complaining that they had to pay for their services and an influx of newcomers not. They are not demanding an exchange back to themselves for the money they gave for expansion. They just want to see that expansion as the return for their donations. And the “Church” has the capacity to give it. But the Church won’t give it because it knows there is not the customer base out there. They know that if they played this card then it would be a total failure of bringing in newcomers, even if they gave it away for free. The Church could do this but does not because they know that their product is worthless. Yes, I am sure that a few people might benefit from such a thing but they would be in a clear minority as a typical placebo percentage. I am not suggesting that nobody benefits from Scientology. There will always be a small percentage.
The “Church” gave up on true expansion before Miscavige took over. Founder and Mankind’s Greatest Friend, L. Ron Hubbard presumably knew that Scientology had never worked when he introduced the 5% per month price increases. And when that got to be destructive, he got the Dwarf to break up the Mission network so that he could get his hands on that money directly and not have to pay the middle man. It was the action of somebody who knew that the product had peaked and who wanted to maximise the profit before the whole thing collapsed.
And it should have collapsed soon after L. Ron Hubbard’s death, but it miraculously continued due to the loyalty of the existing members. But at this stage, under the leadership of David Miscavige, there was no pretense that Scientology actually worked and could benefit society. David Miscavige knew that the expansion of Scientology was impossible but he saw a great deal of money could be made by milking the current members by getting them to redo training, redo levels, rebuy books, time and time again. And when the money from that dried up he introduced the IAS donorship levels to make up the shortfall in income, and I don’t believe that there is a vast pool of IAS money anywhere, I believe it is almost entirely used as income to keep the Church running, which I would estimate at costing $100m per year. The income from auditing and training and materials, which would have easily exceeded that running cost in the early days, is maybe only a third of that $100m figure now, so the shortfall is being made up from IAS donor levels and other donations. I don’t have the figures to prove this, but it makes sense. I have read that the Orgs were only making a profit when they were near full, and that day is long gone. So where is that income coming from to make up the shortfall for the day-to-day running of the Church?
Scientology, under the leadership of David Miscavige, is only about extracting money from the chumps and whales, in the form of donations, backed up by getting them to redo their levels and training and rebuy their materials in a never-ending cycle, to keep the show on the road. The “expansion” push is an attempt to disguise that the actual running of the Church is funded by these donations. Hence mega expansion and mega, maga expansion is being used to solicit such large donations that the money being redircted into the day-to-day running of the Church becomes insignificant and therefore not noticed or commented upon by those making the donations.
Yes, there will always be a placebo percentage of winners from Scientology. But that won’t be enough for sales to catch on, therefore there won’t be any expansion. The Church knows this so they won’t play that card.
As I said, I don’t have the figures, but I am sure there are people here with enough information to do a proper analysis of how much it costs for the day-to-day running of the Church and the actual income from auditing, training and related materials. There were projected expenditure figures provided to the IRS to help get them their tax-exempt status. Does anyone know these figures? If so they can be projected up to present day. The income from training and auditing could be estimated from the Flag completions, scaled up to include the rest of the world. This is doable. And I am sure that when this is done we will see that the Church MUST be largely funding itself out of donations. IAS donations, Ideal Org donations, donations from past projects such as Superpower and donations from future projects.
Well said, Mike.
“An org is a living, breathing entity”
It’s ridiculous in the sense it’s presented because the marketing ad is referring to ‘Ideal Org’ renovations on the verge of starting and “The Time is Now.” This insinuates that donations are needed to carry it off. Give us your money Now is clearly implied, just not said openly.
People are living, breathing entities, not buildings. But it’s not really about people or auditing, it’s about MONEY.
Dissociation has become the order of the day with the Ideal Org project, clearly seen in the first ad. How does a building accomplish a “third dynamic session”? They purposely confused different concepts; the auditing session itself by calling it a “first dynamic session” and a building. True that an auditor is needed for a session to occur but an Ideal Org is not. You just need a properly set up room, an auditor and a pc. Pretty simple.
BTW, OT levels are NOT considered to be “first dynamic sessions”. One of the main promotions behind doing OTVII is to have enough people auditing on the level to distimulate the planet. This has been shown many times in CG form at events.
Gus Cox says
Interesting they didn’t catch this: “…when something expands out of pace with the rest, which is not expanding at the same rate, trouble is caused.”
Gee, it doesn’t occur to anybody that maybe the buildings are expanding at a *much* faster pace than membership? That perhaps the buildings are expanding out of pace with membership, and that maybe it’s causing trouble? It’s right there in front of them and still they don’t get it.
Apparently the building in Boston is not big enough at 42,000 sq. ft. so it is being put up for sale. An ideal org needs 50,000 sq. feet apparently. http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/real_estate/2014/12/church-of-scientology-putting-alexandra-hotel-up.html
Robert Almblad says
Is selling this building a “sign”, like the little Dutch Boy putting his finger in the 1st hole? (Ahh… not Dave’s hole, the dyke’s hole) Is the cherch trying to raise cash for the lawyers? I don’t know anything about this, but it seems strange. With more than $1 billion booty in the bank, why don’t they just use some of that to restore to the building for the $17 million as they have promised to do for years and years?
Robert Almblad says
For the math challenged (as I am), $17 million is just a little less than 2% of the $ 1 billion in booty load that DM has stuffed away in the off-shore banks, probably hiding from the IRS.. Ha..
Boston? Home of Harvard. Boston College. Wesley, etc… these are the Universities DM should body route students into the Boston Org! Not the Metro station in LA! Universities in Boston have the children from famous and wealthy families that he can plunder.
Ooops, that won’t work. These people have an education, unlike high school drop-out David Miscavige, and they have an IQ is above room temp. They will never, never visit a Scientology center without: 1) some chloroform, 2) duct tape and 3) a wheel barrow.
“The crappiest org building in the world is still able to deliver auditing and training”
Rubbish, Flag does not do this any more Mike!
Seriously I could not agree more with the first line here.
A very old friend of mine was on the old HPA course when LRH was still lecturing at St Hill and he told me the place was so packed with Students and PC’s he had his first Dianetics session in an outside toilet!
He told many tales of what is was really like in those days, and to see what that stinking Dwarf has done to the entire subject is actually more evil and more wicked than any whole track suppressive.
But of course its a corporation now, and by actual observation corporations are sociapathic in nature and who better to run this than DM?
Overrun in California says
Yes, a being is as valuable as he can serve COB
Rick Mycroft says
A perfect cap to week:
Church of Scientology putting Alexandra Hotel up for sale December 12, 2014, Catherine Carlock, Boston Business Journal
Ideal Org? No Boston, you can’t have one!
The money from the sale of the building? What money? We know nothing about any money!
Robert Almblad says
This request for everyone to “move up in status” might work for koolaide drunkards, but it’s not going to fly for new people. That is a different market.
Miscavige does not understand it takes many years to make a koolaide drunk. It’s a progressive disease that comes on slowly.
99% of Koolaide drunkards got that way because they got into Scientology before the age of statuses. Asking new people today to give up their money for nothing in return, is not exactly the best way to sell Scientology. It makes new people run for the hills…..
These fools are drunk with free money from koolaide drunks. They think the party will last forever. Well think again. A hang over is coming… and soon…
Miscaviges using an auditing session as only feasible in an IDEAL ORG as an analogy is ridiculous but even worse, it’s a blanket invalidation of the Hubbard era Scientology. That’s a real 1.1 right there.
Old Surfer Dude says
He was born 1.1…It’s in his DNA.
You know what an ideal org really needs? Kiosks like my bank’s drive through teller. Just scan your IAS membership card, then make your deposit. Credit, debit or cash, just scan your card or insert your envelope.
Take all those messy humans out and it will really be ideal!
I Yawnalot says
This sort of stuff really gives being stupid a whole new examination. Observation totally replaced by robotism (mud universe seems an apt description – I like that term). The people, and I use that term reservedly who man the rank and file of miscavige’s organisation truly don’t know what auditing is and does, otherwise they would fight for its return. One is dreaming in some other place than earth to believe that what you do with a PC in session can be translated to a society at large, who by the way are totally ‘non-comprehendous’ on the subject of auditing. Surreptitious auditing maybe?? Give me a break!
How do you a clear a society? – one PC at a time! Whether you believe in auditing, Scientology, Dianetics etc. or not is completely beside the point. The mechanical foundation of the original subject is based on returning self-determinism to the individual and auditing of individuals one on one is the mechanism so devised. Even a casual examination of the auditor’s code will tell you that. Deviate from that code and it is no longer Scientology and has become something else, but to continue to call it Scientology is a lie. That is where miscavige’s organisation and a lot of other interpretations sit right now.
This bickering about how it’s all done and money is god is all bs and you know it, we all know if we wish to be honest.
Q&A is man’s deadliest disease according to Hubbard – you know… he wasn’t wrong on that one but very few apparently know what Q&A (question and answer, research it) actually is either, certainly no one in the RCS does as it is the best example of Q&A you will ever see – it just goes on and on and on…
The photo was obviously made to copy Michelangelo’s painting in the Sistine Chapel of God and Man except in this poster they look to be handing off a dildo.
How dare you!!!!! It is a titanium e-meter can etched personally by DM’s wife under the miscroscope with LRH wisdom. [Ok it may have served a dual function though during the long labour of love]
Oh, I am so sorry!! I am only an ignorant never-in. I thought it might have something to do with cans but the shape was bulging a bit at the end. :-}
Guess this is the new wireless model?
Hallie Jane says
I give dm a big flunk for logic, and OMFG dm does not know his basics/axioms! This is truly very inapt, and inept and ignorant. The fundamentals of auditing include the exact time, place, form and event; TRUTH, which would be necessary for any auditing on any dynamic to create an as-isness. The rcs has made lying into a profession so this doesn’t quite fit. Postulates and live communication are not mest and are senior to mest, so bring about a change in mest, without a persistence of mest. Thus auditing can occur. These are spiritual and spiritual being concepts that make auditing results possible. No amount of ostentatious mest is going to take the place of an actual person, actively creating the intention to help another being, and creating a safe space so he can really confront and communicate fully. What people need is a spiritually safe space where they are not told what to think or who to communicate with, or what to say. What people need is someone who gives a shit about them, their point of view, their lives and doesn’t have ulterior motives. Case gain is not possible in this controlling, aggressive, off purpose vulture culture.
I Yawnalot says
Oh my I love today’s post for so many reasons. It’s great to have more fodder for the on-going legal activities — Narconon boldly displayed as part of the ideal org tapestry. I didn’t know that Anne and Jenna’s orgs were gone. Such failure everywhere. So delicious.
John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free says
This gives a whole new meaning to “Be-Do-Have”
You have been told to get a clue. This is another one handed to you on a silver platter.
“Because David Miscavige said it — therefore it is true”
It’s always been an authoritarian regime. When Ron ordered people to courier suite cases of cash over seas while telling the public he does not get money and Orgs owed him money, nobody questioned orders.
Questioning the leadership of Scientology has always equaled punishment or declare.
Who would question authority after granting infallibility to Ron or Dave? Ron demanded it, got it. Dave is simply following the blueprint of leadership he granted infallibility to.
I read somewhere that DM and others were sidetracking some of that cash and going to Las Vegas to have fun losing it in the casinos. Anyone know if that happened or has just become part of the fuzzy cloud history of COS?
Jose Chung says
When LRH was on his death bed.
Tony B is right. When LRH was near death, DM “allowed” LRH’s doctor, Gene Denk and another (forget who), maybe Sarge? to go to Vegas and gamble for a “break.” And coincidentally that is when LRH died, while his doctor was out of town and others too so that DM was the only one on watch. Kind of like the fox in the hen house. And only 2 days prior to that, his will was changed. Coincidence?
Mike Rinder says
This is not accurate, not even close. DM was NOT with LRH at ANY time while he was at Creston. Gene Denk’s whereabouts were dictated by LRH, not anyone else. Annie Broeker and Sarge were there with LRH. His will was changed to take OUT money going to Miscavige and the Broekers because it would not look good. Read Larry Wright’s book, it has a pretty accurate account — Marty also covers this in his book.
From Cindy: “When LRH was near death, DM “allowed” LRH’s doctor, Gene Denk and another (forget who), maybe Sarge? to go to Vegas and gamble for a “break.” And coincidentally that is when LRH died, while his doctor was out of town and others too so that DM was the only one on watch. Kind of like the fox in the hen house. And only 2 days prior to that, his will was changed. ”
From tony-b “I read somewhere that DM and others were sidetracking some of that cash and going to Las Vegas to have fun losing it in the casinos. Anyone know if that happened or has just become part of the fuzzy cloud history of COS?”
Read lots (and lots) more as Mike Rinder suggests. If anyone gets the least bit close to the actual truth, I will pop in and correct any minor errors that exists so a far more accurate picture is presented. Nope – I don’t know anything about the will and changes to it. Rachel
I would love to hear what you know as to what went on, Rachel. Tell us your truths please, it would be good to get the real story of what happened when etc.
Mike: Thanks for clarification that there is written record by people who have done their research. That’s important in a place where myths and rumours can spin out of control..
Dave, I don’t know if you will read this:
You were impressionable and young. You were wet behind the ears. You were just a kid lookin to get rid of asthma. His being and presence captivated you. He became your hero. This great man must be helped. Your parents were already in.
Then you saw him get violent. Then he agreed to or asked you to spit in someone’s face or slap someone.
LRH was proud of you for having the balls to protect him. You felt elevated. Your hero, the savior of mankind validated you for being violent. Wow, new way of looking at things, right Dave?
This great man, this best of ALL philosophers, has now blessed you with the justification and religious duty of hurting people to protect him. The greatest good for the greatest number is now your duty to the universe.
Sometimes I think Dave, and I’m certain this will irk some: if you ever have to face court time for being what you have become from the lessons you learned from your teacher, I would plead child abuse.
The Old Man should have never asked you to be violent to others and then validated you for it. That is straight up child abuse. You were what? 16? How old were you Dave when Ron asked you to hurt someone?
Hubbard was a fully grown man building an empire.
That was child abuse Miscavige.
And now you got so good at it, that you are much more cruel and cold then he. Fair Game and Bolivar became your Bible. That is because it was Ron’s as well. Ha, He wrote it. It’s like he is the Moses of violence.
Brian: “Then you saw him get violent. Then he agreed to or asked you to spit in someone’s face or slap someone.”
I never saw that data before. Is it from a reliable source, or from someone just trying to start a rumor? Docs?
Or are you the one trying to start yet another rumor?
I will try to comb through al, the books Miraldi. Maybe someone can point me to which book.
It was Miscavige early on as messenger. He either slapped or spit in someone’s face.
Ah, so much info of violence so little time! I will look.
In the mean time please tell me of rumors I started. I would love to know.
First you wrote: “Then you saw him [meaning LRH] get violent. Then he agreed to or asked you to spit in someone’s face or slap someone.”
When called on it you wrote: “It was Miscavige early on as messenger. He either slapped or spit in someone’s face.”
That time you didn’t embellish the story about Miscavige with an invented smear about LRH. And that’s the kind of thing I’ve seen you do. I’ll let you characterize it yourself.
I am gathering all the data for you Mirildi. Will post today.
But please list my starting of rumors that you accused me of.
You are asking me yo be specific and now I am asking you.
Please tell me what rumors I started. As you are sensitive to false accusations I am sure you will respond promptly. Thanks
Post the data you are “gathering” and I will respond in turn. I can already think of two specific examples.
And please don’t post a non-answer or an evasive answer like the time I questioned you about your claim that Milestone 2 had banned you simply because you asked some questions. There was nothing on that thread indicating you were banned, so I asked where you got that idea – and you gave only evasive answers and then no answer. There were several exchanges between us about this. Here’s the link to one of them: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/scientology-a-monotheistic-religion/#comment-310485
It seems you were starting a rumor there too, but please don’t Q&A off onto this topic until you post your data on the first one – which you said would be today.
OK, Mirildi I will attempt one more time and keep it simple.
I posted on Milestone 2 one question regarding what policies of Ron’s was Milestone 2 going to take out so violent retribution will not be part of their organization.
Jim got testy with me and accused me of the same things you do. Then Jim said he will contact Lana and get me booted off. Then I found one or two of my posts eliminated.
All because of me asking the question: “so what policies of violent retribution of critics will you get rid of while forming Milestone 2”
Then there were more posts saying these posts will not stand any more. It was directed at my post. I hope that makes it clear for you as was very difficult to talk to you then as you default to personal attacks. Marty understood what I was taking about and posted on that thread as well.
Regarding LRH being violent and Miscavige.
“I saw him (Ron) physically violent twice. He slapped a boy who answered him back and slapped him across the face with an open hand, and knocked him off his feet.”
“A few days later I was called up to his Office and upon entry was hit, kicked screamed and shouted at. (Even the Aides were not in sight, hiding as he was really mad)”
L Ron Hubbard explicitly gave David Miscavige permission to, first, spit in people’s faces and, then, beat them, according to Jesse Prince. I am still looking for that reference but you can google it as well. Google the first sentence of this paragraph. Maybe someone here knows the reference.
My point my dear Mirildi is that the violence we see in Scientology was church doctrine and also Ron’s personality.
When Ron was filming his commercials many many folks say that he was very belligerent and emotionally violent and abusive. Miscavige worked as a camera man and saw this “greatest of ALL philosophers” acting like that.
Since teachers teach and students learn, Miscavige saw his hero acting like an emotionally violent man. It is only obvious to surmise that the student was watching his teacher. It is only rational to deduce that since this “greatest of ALL philosophers” was unstable and violent, within the mind of a disturbed potentially violent young man, violence is now seen as ok to get the job done.
And now please help me to find other rumors I started.
My, it is interesting that you responded so strongly to my painting a picture of MIscavige.
Mike Rinder says
Just because I know and for the sake of accuracy.
Miscavige received a despatch from Hubbard that said Roger Barnes and John Aczel should be spit on (they had “messed up” SMI somehow).
Miscavige carried out the direction.
Plenty of people saw the despatch and others witnessed the actual “spitting incident.” Jesse Prince was one. I think Mark Fisher witnessed it. I certainly read the despatch and heard Miscavige talk about it — especially justifying his own actions with “this isn’t so bad, LRH had me spit in Roger Barnes and John Aczel’s face.”
Thanks for the accuracy, Mike. I don’t doubt at all that Miscavige took it literally and that he would use it for justifying other actions. But I go along with the view that others have posted about that LRH dispatch – basically that it was like someone saying “They should be tarred and feathered.” Same idea – a figurative, not literal, remark.
Mike Rinder says
Well, I certainly didnt read it that it was anything other than a literal order. In fact, as I recall, a compliance report was sent to LRH reporting that this had been done. Just so you know.
Brian, you give no quotes to back up your list of accusations about that Milestone 2 thread – the same as you did before. And I just now did the same thing I did before, which was to read through the thread and note that in fact there was a very ARC-ful comm cycle going on between you and Lana, Jim Logan and others – ending with this:
Lana M. says:
July 4, 2014 at 6:32 am
ARC and Understanding is the only way (a basic fundamental of Scientology, detailed in 1955 but a long lost fundamental that makes the current scene with the church so ugly.)
I appreciate your patience and work in communicating over the last two days on this thread.
July 4, 2014 at 6:41 pm
Thank you Lana, for allowing me to push the envelope. I can only promise authentic. That has always gotten me in trouble 😉 thank you for your patience.
I’ll grant you the point about the “spit” dispatch since Mike was there and confirms it. Even if LRH meant it literally, an important part of the situation is that LRH got his “data” about everything that was going on from Miscavige, data which could have been very infuriating to LRH – but false. Let’s put it in context, at least.
In addition to the unsubstantiated claims about Milestone two, one rumor (or false data/disinformation/innuendo) that you tried to spread was that LRH claimed he had been in heaven. I quoted for you an excerpt from the heaven bulletin itself, which showed clearly that he was talking about an implant station made to look like heaven. Yet you kept repeating your misleading version in later threads. The other misleading statement you made was about LRH putting sympathy lower that hate on the tone scale, which you continued to do even after a couple of us quoted two definitions of sympathy from the Tech Dict which clarified why “sympathy” (in one sense of the word) is lower than hate as a tone level. But there again, you continued to repeat the disinformation, regardless.
In your post above, you wrote: “My, it is interesting that you responded so strongly to my painting a picture of MIscavige.”
My point had nothing to do with what you had said about Miscavige – it was about LRH. And you know it. That’s an example of how you twist the actuality with innuendo. You really should take a look at your need to do this type of thing. Anyway, I’m not going to spend more time on any of this because I can see you are just going to take the opportunity to throw additional things out, and I get tired of pointing out the inaccuracies.
Thank you Mike
Re Milestone 2: the posts I told you about were erased. And Jim’s threat was erased. I will leave you to your own mind regarding this. Your thoughts about me are none of my business.
Re heaven: First off it was not a rumor. It was an opinion about Ron. A criticism actually. And I know they tick you off. I can’t help that.
The opinion was that Ron had completely third partied any idea of a beautiful after life with his “trip to heaven.” Ron has never written anything about the after life but pain and electronic torture.
My opinion, was and still is, that Ron branded the concept of heaven with yet another implant. And since he never had any opinion about “heaven” except it being an implant, Scientologists are left with “heaven is an implant.
This is a point of view, not starting a rumor.
And Sympathy below hate on the tone scale also was not a rumor. Everyone knows the tone scale. How can I start a rumor when everyone knows what I am talking about. That’s just silly. It was an opinion, a point of view. Something Scientologist’s are not authorized to have.
Most of the folks who responded understood my view. We talked about how Ron redefined words like “open minded’ to be something which was bad. We talked about other words as well. But his redefinition of sympathy seemed to me very dark as it relates to the tone scale.
Sympathy below hate on the tone scale still stands for me. Just look at how Scientologists act. Sympathy is seen as a weakness. And my thesis:
Sympathy below hate on the tone scale is a blueprint for depraved immoral acts.
“Anyway, I’m not going to spend more time on any of this because I can see you are just going to take the opportunity to throw additional things out, and I get tired of pointing out the inaccuracies.” Mirildi
Mirildi, you have threatened to never communicate with me many times. When you are serious about “disconnecting” from me please feel free to.
Until then I will treat you with respect. Thank you very much for responding to my opinions. They were not rumors. It was an adult civil discussion using sovereign intelligence.
Have a wonderful holiday!
The only inaccuracy that was pointed out in this thread was your view of me making things up about Ron like the Merchant of Chaos that I am. Nothing here is an innuendo. We are taking about facts.
“Nothing here is an innuendo. We are taking about facts.”
It’s a fact that you said you were banned, and now that I’ve quoted you on that thread – with your own words indicating no such thing occurred – you change your claim to “erased posts.”
You basically did the same kind of thing with each of the other points you listed out and made them into rewritten history.
I don’t know how aware you are of doing this, but I think you should look at it. There’s enough of the negative for anybody’s purposes, without it being put it in a falsely negative light. We need to stick to the truth, if truth is really what we want.
Sorry, I just could not let this one pass muster.
Do you realize that you just justified L Ron Hubbard’s order to spit in someone’s face and blamed Miscavige for it.
This sentiment, Mirildi, single handedly illustrates the dangers of Scientology and surrendering one’s mind to another. A grown man, a savior of mankind, orders a young man to spit in someone’s face and you can see the justification as L Ron’s frustration and not his depraved act! That is straight up scary thinking.
“I’ll grant you the point about the “spit” dispatch since Mike was there and confirms it. Even if LRH meant it literally, an important part of the situation is that LRH got his “data” about everything that was going on from Miscavige, data which could have been very infuriating to LRH – but false. Let’s put it in context, at least.”
If you’ve read Marty’s book *Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior*, you know that LRH and Scientology were under heavy attack by various government and private agencies – from the early years on through. And Marty learned this from those agencies’ own records that the GO had stolen. It’s not justification to keep this in mind – it’s understanding and compassion. I feel the same way about Marty’s violence too, and don’t hold it against him. I try to keep in mind that all kinds of forces, whether exterior or interior, can be working on a person.
You know, Brian, compassion is actually a synonym for sympathy, which you seem to value. So, tell you what – if you start applying it to LRH, I might consider applying it to you. Maybe. 🙂
Compassion as a business deal, tit for tat, holds no value for me. No thanks.
I have told you many times before that I send him,Ron, good vibes across the airwaves. It is here on this planet, with these doctrines, with this violent retribution, with this teacher that I pass judgement. There are still plenty of sleep walkers that need a good bucket of cold water. If I can help just one rehab their ability to think critically without the fear of “god” crushing down on them – I will be happy.
I am waving the banner of free critical thinking. That is all. Agree or disagree, it does not matter to me.
Compassion is not permissiveness and theedie weedie denial of reality. Compassion is fiercely protective of righteous Dharma: cause no harm. L Ron Hubbard has written doctrines that harm.
And the Feds, FDA and governments around the world were attempting to curtail fraud and tax evasion.
My teacher Paramahansa Yogananda came to America in 1920 with hair down to his shoulders, brown and teaching Yoga to a closed minded Christian nation.
The FBI was following him, he had death threats, he was almost beat up a number of times, rocks were thrown at him and the government was trying to have him deported.
I have been studying his teachings since I was a young man. Never in all these decades did I know what he went through because he never talked about it. It was never in any writing or lecture.
I only found out about this country trying to destroy him though a documentary that just came out called “Awake, the life of Yogananda.”
That’s what I call greatness. He only lived what he taught and that was service, love for all and seeking enlightenment. He never let on to anyone of the hate and violence aimed towards him.
Yogananda is now considered to be the Father of Yoga in America. His legacy is one of a great saint and sage respected and honored because he truly lived “What is Greatness.”
L Ron Hubbard created a para military organization to crush dissent. So it does not fly with me that Ron harmed others because he was being challenged and that warring against the Man was the only way.
Bullshit I say!
He made his choice and his legacy is infamy. Ron was no victim. He is cause and source of all he created.
For all your fancy words, you have still lost your credibility with me and anybody who can see that your words aren’t always truthful.
A ha! Now I know why Marty sometimes has referred to you as Nurse Ratchet. I think I know who you are ;).
More innuendo. This whole thread speaks for itself about that.
Mike Rinder says
This is the last comment on this thread.
In the early 1980’s when Bulldog John Barber would call and get my answering machine, non-Scientologist friends would hear his voice boom through the room and ask who that was and I would laugh and say “oh the registrar from the Church of SCAMatology and DIAMONDdetics.” Back then, he was trying to get me to spend our money on courses and auditing.
Now? There is no pretense that the money is being spent on anything for yourself, and even very little pretense that it is helping anyone.
There have been so many fundraisers by now that it’s almost a groaner to open the blog and see the email with another fundraiser. I can’t imagine the people who get this stuff in their mailbox/inbox.
This sounds strange, but the people have to be suffering from a mutated form of taste fatigue:
Taste fatigue is a condition where the sense of taste becomes diminished or goes away entirely. It is sometimes called taste bud fatigue or palate fatigue. The taste buds become ‘tired’ and do not trigger consistently from food stimulus.
They can’t possibly even think about someone getting excited when it comes to raising or donating money when they see these flyers, At best, they may flinch, but most of them probably have hit apathy by now. I can understand, to a degree, the EXCLAMATION!!!!!!!!!! and all caps tech, and all the hyperbole. It may be the only thing that gets anyone’s attention by now and by now, honestly, I am pretty sure that’s not working either.
I can imagine even Nancy Cartwright feels like it’s a chore to pull out her wallet yet again. It has to have become obvious even to bubble dwellers that this is just a grind at this point. Pretty pictures only go so far.
I would would not be surprised if Nancy has cut a deal with Miscavige to be part owner of the building with a guaranteed return of money + a percentage once he sells the building.
Do you really think she is smart enough to get a high-priced lawyer to write such a deal? Besides she has a tax deductible receipt that is worth millions so it is the tax payers of the US who are on the nail for it.
HE is digging his own grave and should take an opportunity at New Year’s Event to spurt more ‘facts’ about his scams, such as “our Narconon groups” and eventually, the dust of his collapsing delusional empire will cover his grave.
As far as karma goes, well, this is supposed to be a comment, not a horror story.
You guys just don’t understand. Once all the orgs are spiffy and ideal, then the thousands of scientology celebrities will finally be proud to bring people in. Travolta and Cruise and Alley will be on all the talk shows proclaiming this monumental accomplishment and wogs will flood in and empty their wallets gleefully for the honor of being part of this planet-saving cluster of oh-so-powerful beings.
The tens of millions of members worldwide will likewise be inspired, finally, to announce their secret affiliation with the most ethical group on the planet. They will bring in tens of millions of people to bear witness to the grandiose planet-clearing spectacle.
With grades being delivered in only a few weeks and NED now only taking a few more weeks to CLEAR, it will only be a matter of a couple of months to clear the planet!!!!!!!!
None of this, obviously, can occur until all the buildings are in place and are utterly idealified.
Why, the plan is so simple and so doable that any moron could have dreamed it up. And if you don’t see it, why then you must be less than a moron.
OMG, you are so right Les!!!!! I’ll start on my A-E this instant!!!
The really sad thing is I would have made this make sense if I was still in
Cooper Kessel says
We all did. (sad) Now we all don’t! (happy)
How ya doin on getting all that muck cleaned up and the fences back in place? Lose anyone overnight through your gaping hole?
There we go with the bloody arrows shooting out from orgs again. They should be replaced by nukes. Joburg Ideal Org has ONE mission (the others are as dead and empty as the Ideal org and not worth mentioning). Not one Narconon facility in South Africa, no Criminon worth mentioning and CCHR has not been in operation in this country for more than 5 years………… Oh – wait – we do have a Test Centre which opens in the afternoons sometimes but all the film and lecture rooms are in the flooded basement. Oops.
Back in the early days a full third dynamic session was an auditor and PC
in a dingy room, in a not so great building with at least two mice scurrying
about in the auditing room.
It was much easier then because the PC’s attention was not directed inward by
waiting for the needle to swing 3 times. In fact everyone had a good time…..including
A full third dynamic session is when there is 1 auditor, 2 MAA, 2 Regs
and a partridge and a pear tree. Then of course there is one introverted,
overwhelmed PC ready to say anything to get the hell outta dodge.
Where the hell is Santa when you need him???
Oh I forgot….Santa has been declared.
Jose Chung says
Exempt from the laws of exchange.
Reminds me of a place I worked at where an employee
would go rob banks on his lunch hour.This worked for a good while until
he left his ID badge out as he robbed a bank.The teller relayed to the police all this information about this guy and they asked “how do you know all this information?”
The teller replied, well it was all on his Badge !
All criminals want to be caught, so eventually David Miscavige will
do that and then be the COB of the prison laundry or making license plates.
I can see D.M. stamping out a personalized OT 15 license plate for an indie
Scientologist. The irony of it all.
Ms. B. Haven says
Regarding that 2nd poster, somebody is going to have their ass handed to them for publishing that one. NarCONon should most definitely NOT be mentioned, because they have no connection with scientology. If any of the legal eagles mentioned extensively on Ortega’s site get a hold of this it will be a disaster for the cult.
Today’s Hot Tip for OSA: Get the left hand coordinated with the right hand so that they know what each other is up to. Apparently someone hasn’t passed on the word that Narconon and scientology mentioned in the same breath is a no no.
So, if they’re just repeating whatever Miscavige says now, has Shorty become Source?
Oh, silly me, just saw the random LRH quote thrown in there. Makes total sense now.
Please keep flaunting Narconon, it’s an epic foot-bullet in the making. Paging Ryan Hamilton to the white courtesy phone.
This is a random question from someone who has never been in. However, I’m very curious as to why people do the things they do…like why sane and normal get sucked in and stay in situations that fundamentally change who they are, for the worse.
So on to my question: I have been following this blog for a little while and am wondering if any of you feel that because senior staff have blown and gone very, very public, would this alter how DM treats his current staff? With people like Marc Headly showing up on his doorstep, so to speak, wouldn’t he at some level be terrified of the repercussions if his current staff started to blow? Would he try to modify his behavior or the conditions at base? Would he become more lenient? Or do you think he’d exert more control and be crueler? Do you think blowing at this time is even possible?
I apologize if you all feel this is a silly question.
Cooper Kessel says
I recommend the book ‘The Sociopath Next Door’ for a detailed answer to your question. It is very clearly explained.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Bruce Ploetz says
Not a silly question, skythrutrees, the sad truth is people have been escaping Scientology since the earliest days. If Dave thinks about it at all he just thinks that the ones who leave are yet more evidence that he is right and they were all wrong. I was last at the Gold base 10 years ago and the word from others that stayed longer was that it only got worse. Hard to imagine worse than 20 minute meal breaks, 15 hour days with a morning off to do your laundry on Sundays and constant demands to work on your sleep time.
They moved most people from security monitored apartment complexes to mini apartments on the property, so that makes it harder yet to get away. But people still do leave. The trick is just not to pay any attention to what anybody says, start walking and just keep going. They cannot legally hold you against your will and they do know it, but you will hear all kinds of arguments intended to make you feel you have to stay. For some cruel treatment just matches what they feel they deserve, so more cruelty sounds about right. Others are just holding on because of loved ones still in, or because they do something like film-making that they probably wouldn’t be able to do outside. Or so they have been led to think.
Most are still in love with the dream of a world without criminals, insanity or war and are willing to endure anything to make the dream come true, even when it is patently obvious that what they are doing is not achieving the goal. Reference: “When Prohecy Fails”, Leon Festinger. If you opened the gates and offered them a bus ride to the outside they would not leave.
Thank you for the reply. It just reminds me how much hope, fear and wishful thinking plays into how people make decisions.
I love your earth-loving name of skythrutrees. Fantastic imagery.
Don’t worry about asking the possibly dumb or silly question considering the subject matter.
Rephrase the question this way, and you’ll instantly know the answer: Will the scorpion restrain himself from stinging the frog that is ferrying him across the Nile?
Sea org slaves working to build useless building! There is nothing more painful (well there is but…) then speaking to a true believer Scientologist, explaining to them that I did the training and auditing and you will not get what you are told you will receive. The cult has given them an answer for everything, usually that the critic is always an SP . The best one can do with a sea org member is give them your business card, tell them if they ever want to leave to call you, and you will pick them up and take them someplace safe to get their life together again. I think a lot of them believe so strongly because they have no place to go except to live in their false dream of what the CO$ promises. Deep down it may be different; if they could leave and had a lifeboat waiting…. that may give them room to start to evaluate their situation.
Cooper J Kessel says
” Deep down it may be different; if they could leave and had a lifeboat waiting…. that may give them room to start to evaluate their situation.”
Sadly Glen, the members of the cult have been thoroughly trained to know that any thoughts pertaining to an evaluation (or re-evaluation) of their scene only result from their own overts against the group. They operate on the stable datum that they as individuals are wrong and the group is right ……….always.
It seems to take a horrific event to snap a cult member into independent thinking. So here we are …..providing horrific events for the cult.
There are more on the way good buddy. Savor each one as it lands like a wet turd in your punchbowl.
” Lou !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get this goddammned thing out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Glen, good points. (All on a gradient.)
They will only pick up your card .. and pay up to the end of your credit .. for themselve he will only take the commission .. this is ethical for him ..
It’s funny how this “spawning phenomena” was pitched to the plebs, as if it were some natural, organic occurrence. And they lapped it up, despite the fact that there was ZERO evidence that this actually occurs.
In fact, I can’t think of any business model, Scn or otherwise where this is the case. Starbucks comes close. Someone once joked that the purpose of Starbucks was “to produce more Starbucks.”
No, it was “reality” because DM said it was. 10-15 years on and that reality never materialized and will never materialize. Undoubtedly this is because the low-life’s working 80-90 per week for pennies, fucked it up making COB look bad.
Robert Almblad says
Oh, but I like Starbucks…but no one likes the cherch including the members, they are afraid of it!
Mat Pesch says
LRH would roll over in his trailer if he knew how these pea brains were misunderstanding and misusing
“The Ideal Org” policy for Miscavige’s plan to rip off the hard earned money of Scientology dupes.
LOL….and who is the smallest pea in the pod???
Idle Morgue says
Third dynamic auditing? Those that lost their homes and filed BK to become Humanitarians associate Ideal Org = PAIN and SUFFERING! The rest of the World looks up Scientology and stays FAR AWAY from the cult buildings.
Scientology is the laughing stock of all religions.
Billions of dollars will only keep the clubbed seals clubbed. It won’t do anything to get new people in. That is what Slappy Miscavige does not get. He will soon – when these buildings all sit empty for years to come and one by one – sold off to hire more attorney’s so as to “keep the show on the road” and “Keep Scientology Working”.
Poor souls stuck in that trap. What a mess!
Glad we are out SP’s. Now go suppress Scientology and get someone out today!!
Cooper J Kessel says
Great idea IM. I have a new plan for this wonderful day.
“Billions of dollars will only keep the clubbed seals clubbed. It won’t do anything to get new people in. That is what Slappy Miswcavige does not get.”
Idle Morgue, believe me, he gets it.
Yes that is exactly the plan. Nothing happens by accident.
3rd dynamic auditing? Pardon my outsider ignorance, but wasn’t auditing supposed to benefit the first dynamic ; i.e. the person being audited, and then the improvement caused would benefit all dynamics?
3rd dynamic auditing must be the chu, er…cult auditing your credit report to find out how much more they can squeeze out of you. Which is appropriate since they train more salesmen than auditors these days.
As a good cultist, you know that if there is something that does not add up for you, then the fault lies with you.
You know not to ask questions, and if you do ask questions, then only to imply that you yourself are too untrained or unaudited to grasp the full picture and are in need of guidance.
As a good UTR, you keep up the appearance of beeing a dim-wit until the last minute, when you take your family and leave for better shores where you have already established some sort of money-making venture.
You leave the rest of the good cultists to fend for themselves. Who knows whether they are true believers or just damn good at faking it?
Gerhard Waterkamp says
The relationship of a true believing Scientologist to the Church of Scientology can be best understood when compared to the relationship of a 10 year old boy to a child molesting pedophile Priest.
Neither does the boy nor do the Scientologists have the slightest idea about what the other side is actually up to. Instead both believe they have to do all these strange things they are asked to do because their eternity depends on it and they owe it to god, the world and all of mankind. Both are instructed under threat of penalty not to discuss their own case sessions with anyone as neither the pedophile Priest or the CO$ want to find their secrets exposed. Thirdly given their mental state they are kept in by the perpetrators they are in no real position to find out what the heck is going on unless they separate from the undue influence. When they do separate due to growing up, bankruptcy or other fortunate circumstances the mental state they are put in by the rapists will not allow them to discover for years that they have been actually fucked.
If they do finally wake up and find out it will take them up to a decade to deal with the emotional and mental distress to decompress and recover from the abuse and the inflicted emotional and mental damage. Many lose their families and friends in the process because those do not believe what actually happened.
So, opening an Ideal Org is “Third Dynamic auditing”? I guess that is sneaky, indirect Third Dynamic auditing because the Third Dynamic (i.e. ordinary sane members of the public) want nothing to do with a crackpot UFO cult and would not pay for either training or auditing from it if it were one thousandth the current price or even if it were for free. You would have to pay moneyed wogs to do services and they would want a fair bit of moolah for sitting there going through the excruciating boredom of auditing.
But Roland Miscavige has removed the possibility of having excruciating boredom
in auditing……no building, no auditor, no session.
In fact he took it one step further….he is getting outlandish buildings by bilking the sheeple
and there is still no auditor, no session and no excruciating boredom of auditing….how brilliant is that?
In the LRH quote at the end of the last one, they quoted LRH on what an Ideal Org is. I realized that DM has changed the definition of an Ideal org and no one noticed he changed the definition. LRH mean an Ideal Org was one that was doing certain actions. DM changed that definition to mean an Ideal Org was one that was a big, pretty building with great furniture inside. But DM left out the doingness, the actions, the people, and yet these doingnesses, actions, people were all that LRH was referring to. What a sly l.l way to pervert everything by changing the definition of key words.
I hear you, Cindy. This particular definition change never fails to make me boil. And the sheeple are so stupid, or so – SOMETHING, they don’t see it! Grrr…!
Yep Cindy, good observation. Almost Politburo in its sneakiness. Probably even the (dumb) “Scientologists” still in, observe this and shrug it off, or the remaining old timers do anyway. The whole ethos now is based on warping and bending of the actuality and lies, and out-exchange of course as Windhorse says above.
Probably the emphasis on SRD and Purif and Basic Books etc. is probably because all the savvy C/Ses and auditors have left long ago and these rundowns do not require that much expertise, in comparison anyway. I am afraid the whole show has been sold down the river. All the old timers will eventually die and all that expertise will have been lost – hopefully not forever though. This is actually the worst nightmare one could possibly imagine in that we had a chance to go free but it has been sabotaged. If someone had said to me 35 years ago that this would happen I would say “nonsense”, but it has, and we must recover it somehow.
Hallie Jane says
So true Cindy, it’s just more obfuscation to keep people confused and compliant. I guess full conceptual understanding is old and not used anymore.
True that SRD,
Purif, Basics, ACC’s, Congresses, the new Student Hat, pretty much everything that Miscagive has put out doesn’t require a high level of tech savy to deliver.
They also are ‘busy work’ to keep people occupied and to fill up their time. It keeps them tame and complacent that there is something to do. This takes their attention off of what’s really going on within the church. The SRD takes quite a bit of time to complete. Every person I know who’s done it was on it for at least 3-6 months. Some were going in 6 days a week for 2-3 slots.
Robert Almblad says
Getting “free money” from members by blowing smoke up their ass has a secondary effect of causing the cherch to spend money like it was free too.
This tactic is not sustainable. It will cause a financial implosion because no one, including Miscavige, is exempt from the laws of exchange.
They need to deliver auditing and training to survive. But because of their current spending, they are addicted to the free money which they get by bullshitting their members.
They can never switch back to delivering auditing and training because it just does not produce the kind of money they are spending.
Robert — one would have to be serious challenged to turn down EASY money (think selling drugs in the projects or even to high end users)(or those on government handouts) to actually WORK hard and possibly still not make ends meet.
Many years ago my ex and I for a short while took over the Vancouver Mission. Saddled with enormous debt and unable to pay rent — we paid all of this. (dumb dumb dumb) BUT I will never forget doing a reg interview with a healthy young woman who wasn’t working. She said … why should I work when I MAKE more money on welfare (or whatever it was called in Canada). She honestly thought she MADE the money.
It’s very disheartening.
ALMOST makes me inclined to be a REPUBLICAN — JUST KIDDING. Nonetheless I’ve never been a liberal who believes in give everything to the downtrodden and tax the rich more.
I agree Robert. scientology is dead BECAUSE it will implode through now decades of out-exchange. I’m just thinking it won’t be happening within the time frame MOST of us are wishing it will.
I agree, Windhorse.
trapped in a ‘two-pole’ universe: liberals and conservatives
And yet what would you suggest to those former sea org staff who have no pension, not much family to speak of, and are passed retirement age? Suicide? Live on the streets? We all suffer and deserve compassion. Funny how quickly money makes us forget this.
Good point Robert.
It is obvious from their constant promo on how to reg money where their attention is.
Learn to reg/steal money from fellow parishioners is the only way one can then train
and receive processing.
No building, no auditor, no session.
Things have to be in place you know.
Spot on. And, to boot, no auditors are being made, thus no CSes, thus no auditing even if they ever did switch back. And as far as moving anyone towards freedom, THAT must be done one on one. And they’ve already blown that concept out of the water.
You’re right, Robert Almblad.
“No Exchange” is not only out-ethics, it is addicting, a hard habit to break.
“No Exchange” has been and always will be the cause of the demise of civilizations and individuals, and it is now causing the demise of the Church of Scientology.
The church can trumpet all it likes about how it is helping individuals go Clear and free:
The church can proclaim that it is lifting up mankind, calming and educating the 4th dynamic of Earth in vital survival measures: it isn’t.
All the Church of Scientology is doing is being contributed to with money, time and effort, on every dynamic, and what it is being received is far, far greater than what it is being given in exchange.
Based on the lies it tells, the Church of Scientology is still being contributed to, but to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln: some of the people can be fooled all of the time, and all of the people can be fooled some of the time, but all of the people cannot be fooled all of the time.
Tick tock, Mr. Miscavige & Cult. You’ll go like all the rest.
Hallie Jane says
Not depending on delivery of auditing and training solely, for income, has also shielded the radical church from normal corrections that might be made when income is down. If it were possible to do a real stat analysis, and go through all the folders from the last 3 decades, I’m sure a continuous decline in results and customer base, would be evident, as well as, more and more dissatisfied customers. They are hiding this by lying, going into other businesses, (grossly off policy) and hoarding generously given donations. They don’t have to confront their overt products, which perpetuates the fantasy. Except for us of course. 🙂
Robert Almblad says
“Except for us of course” Thanks for the good chuckle Hallie Jane… that’s funny.
Sweet Apostate says
Robert, the Church isn’t spending serious money in the accounting sense. They are MOVING money from accounts into assets. They probably have to due to being a non-profit. With the insane inflation rate right now this is smart. $ sitting in bank account are losing ground. At the rate of ACTUAL church “spending” it could remain a well endowed entity for decades even if it lost all its parishioners tomorrow.