The storks are busy. Hushmail must be experiencing heavy traffic.
This is a debrief of a “mandatory” briefing for Class VIII’s in Ideal PAC (in fact in “ASHO’s” Lebanon Hall). The image is an artists’ rendition, he mistakenly thought it was the audience at an “international event” not a mandatory briefing in Ideal PAC in which case he would have only included 5 attendees. But as he went to all the trouble, I used it anyway as it conveys the message he wanted.
It is amazing how they can try to shift the blame to…. anyone else they can think of than themselves, and certainly it has NOTHING to do with the man who is single-handedly salvaging this sector of the universe with his brilliant handlings of all facets of everything.
Thus, the lack of people clamoring to become auditors is because the Class VIIIs are failures and cannot pass a checkout on assessments by some unnamed person (probably one of those RTC gestapo that prevented anyone from passing a metering course for years as they slo-mo’d videos to “catch” prior and latent reads because they couldn’t tell by looking at it real time). This is pure genius. Goes along with “there reason there is no OT IX and X is that all orgs are not St Hill Size ideal and the reason for that is that YOU have failed to give enough money yet to make it happen.”
And “Snr C/S WUS” (no doubt NOT a Class VIII) then compared being an auditor to being a dentist. Now that deserves an exclamation point! His premise is that there are continuous advances in the field of dentistry and if you don’t keep up you are not a good dentist. Ergo, there are continuous “advances” being made in the practice of scientology. And if you are not keeping up you are not a good auditor. The goal of Miscavige becoming source is almost accomplished. The sheeple are convinced that he is in fact making continuous “advances” in the technology of scientology apparently including sending everyone back to Student Hat and Purif. Though I must wonder what the “advances” are in doing assessments?Maybe it is his Warehouse VIII? But if that is an “advance” then it means that assessments have been changed somehow?
There are some pretty amazing admissions that tumble out of the bubble on an almost daily basis. Just cannot keep all the good news in.
But one final thought. The whole of fundamentalist scientology is summed up with this single statement they delivered with appropriate gravamen I am sure: “instead of making Scientology revolve around one’s life, one should make one’s life revolve around Scientology.”
It no doubt makes perfect sense to everyone in the bubble. And needs no explanation how lunatic it is to anyone outside it.
DEBRIEF ON MANDATORY CLASS VIII MEETING- 3 APRIL 2014
There was a mandatory meeting held for all Class VIIIs in ASHO’s Lebanon Hall.
The CO CLO WUS, Mr. Vicky Shantz, briefed those attending that they as Class VIIIs were expected to set a good example and were Opinion Leaders in the field.
She told them that they could do that by being well on their way on their Golden Age of Tech II Courses and making progress through the line up.. She then read from HCOB “STANDARD TECH AND INVALIDATION” which states, “When an VIII returns to an area, these things should happen:
1.Enthusiasm of auditors for auditing pcs should increase.
2.Volume of auditing hours delivered should soar.
3.New people should be clamoring to become auditors……”
She then next introduced the Snr C/S WUS, Mr. Andres Rodriquez. The Snr C/S WUS quoted from the first Student Hat Lecture “Study: An Introduction” in which LRH stated. “The first lesson you have to teach and the first barrier you have to crack is this datum about, ‘Why are you studying it if you know all about it to begin with?’ … “The only place.. [our technology]… can get lost is an unwillingness to learn about it… He feels he knows it all so doesn’t learn it.”
The Snr C/S then had each auditor do an assessment on the new Ultra VIII E Meters that were set up in the back of the hall which were graded on the spot.
None passed with 100%.
The Snr C/S then asked one attendee what his profession was who replied that he had been a dentist for the past 30 years. Mr. Rodriquez then asked him if his profession had changed in those last 30 years that he had been practicing dentistry at which the attendee replied with a definite “yes.” The Snr C/S asked what would happen if this attendee did not update his tech and where would he be with regard to his profession? The answer was obviously “out of a job.” The Snr C/S made the point that we now have 100% standard on source LRH tech and as auditors they should be keeping their tech updated.
Mr. Rodriquez also went over course schedules and various LRH references regarding standard scheduling pointing out that colleges do not ask what your schedule is but you follow theirs! And this is expected in the wog world.
Lastly he said that instead of making Scientology revolve around one’s life, one should make one’s life revolve around Scientology.
The meeting was an “eye-opener” for many and the message was that as Class VIIIs they were expected to set the example, be on a standard schedule and getting rapidly through their GAT II training line up!
Class VIII Supervisor AOLA
Senior C/S WUS, Andreas Rodriguez is a Class IX who has done the BC and Class VIII Course. He used to be someone I looked up to. In the past he gave brilliant talks on how PTS A situations are best resolved. (Nutshell version is the PTS A Scientologist is not being a son as defined by his mom or dad. He needs to mend this for real by spending time with the unhappy relative until the gap is gone. Then and only then is Scientology to be mentioned. Usually the now happy relative does’t care about Scientology because he/she just wanted the closeness back.)
I honestly do not know how any Class VIII can not find GAT II thoroughly revolting what with the rampant out C/S Series 155 “additions” to Grade IV and the Grades overall being reduced to far less than full grades. Not to mention telling OT VIIIs to go back to the beginning of the grade chart to “flatten” Objectives…and then there’s the mysterious new Purif “ingredient”. It is a disgrace that people are listening to a failed auditor who never made it through an internship.
Scientology is the new Oakland. There’s no there there.
If miscavige ever told me to flatten my objectives, I’d tell him I’ll flatten his nose at no cost.
Who edited and approved the debrief?
I think it was Jane Kember.
I was catching up with the blogs and saw a complete LRH reference on Fair Game and Justice published. It was taken from Jon Atack’s newly republished book, “A Piece of Blue Sky.” Read it. The part about suing is particularly pertinent. I think everyone, especially the press, should know the strategy on threatening to sue them if they dare to publish anything not complimentary about the church or it’s “pope.” It says that you merely threaten to sue to scare them and stop them, but that you don’t really sue or very rarely sue. Had the media known this, more truth could have come out much earlier Here is an excerpt:
“You punish a man. He goes away to join the ranks of the squirrels.
You swell the opposition. Don’t do it.
Shoot the offender for the public good and then patch him up quietly.
That isn’t even mercy. It’s good sense.”
Could this be why Mike Rinder’s blog readership grows exponentially every day?
I’ve had run ins with Andres Rodriguez – never had a good comm cycle with the guy. Real asshole.
This will work really well.
Class VIIIs being “trained” and guided by the untrained DM would create real cognitive dissonance, if these Class VIIIs knew what was going on. But, sooner or later, they will find out what is going on and they will simply go into private practice. End of story.
I find it amusing that the communications about training now coming from the church never mention the word PERFECT. For GAG I, that was the super buzzword. I sat through countless success speeches while on GAG I, whereby the student brayed on about now being a perfect auditor.
New buzzword is 100% standard on source LRH tech. They can’t use the word PERFECT as the kook-aids might say “that word sounds familiar.” I’m a perfect auditor by virtue of my GAG I training.
I can’t believe I was a part of this cult for 40 years.
Yes Mike that is the address to use…..thanks.
Well, I have a problem as War Horse’s email says it is an invalid address. Maybe WarHorse can write to me with a valid email address by clicking on the Contact Me button on the blog.
Oh well then I guess I will just
take a pass on talking with him.
Invalid email addresses make me
wonder. Thanks Mike.
It’s OK, he/she reached out to me with a different address and I forwarded your email to him/her.
“The meeting was an “eye-opener” for many” – Class VIII Supervisor AOLA
Yes, yes it was. Bwahahaha!
Don’t forget to mention mind closer.
Makes me cringe just hearing that crap.
Sooooooo glad to be out of that asylum.
10-4 on that.
Guess all those people I used to audit that came out of session VGI’s was “out tech” as I used a wood meter approved by LRH and red on white pre-gat.
Shame on you Live Zombie! Don’t you realize that’s an historical instrument as DM has graciously improved the meters and tech for all of us?
Let me add a brief illustration of my point. When I was on the BC in 2005, a young SO member (one of the BC supes) told me that the reason for the Pro Metering Course was that the SO went around to orgs throughout the world and NO ONE tested knew how to recognize an instant read. NO ONE! (this is exactly what he told me – see, young SO member is made to believe that all auditors around the world before GAT were incompetent). NOW, Mr. Rodriguez and Mr. Vicky (is she very manly, by the way?) are demonstrating to trained auditors (Class VIIIs!), that even if you have attested to PERFECTION IN METERING (which COB promised you would attain on the Pro Metering course) that …… you STILL can’t operate an E-Meter!!!!
Does Scientology work? I don’t think the highest placed Sea Org members really believe that it does. In fact, they seem to be still fully stuck in wog religious implants …… glorify God with all your actions, place God at the center of your life at all times …. make your life revolve around Scientology …. give all your time and money to the priests …..
I noted in a post a few days ago that NO ONE in the world invalidates the state of OT more than Sea Org members in the Church of Scientology. Now we see also that NO ONE in the world invalidates Scientology TRAINING more than Sea Org members in the Church of Scientology. Yes, you can do the Student Hat over and over and over BUT YOU STILL AIN’T GOT IT, BROTHER. Yeah, on all Scientology courses, in order to route through, you need to attest that you fully understand ALL the materials, have NO misunderstood words and can FULLY apply the materials of the course (I’m not quoting the attest exactly as I don’t have a checksheet here with me), BUT …. you STILL don’t understand the materials. In fact, if you even THINK you fully understand the materials of the course and can fully apply the materials you attested to, THEN YOU ARE VIOLATING THE FIRST OBSTACLE TO LEARNING!!!!!!!
If you have done the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course AND the Class VIII Course, you STILL don’t understand auditing, because you have not done your “GAT2 lineup” yet …… say what? Mr. Rodriguez has simply “gone stupid”, which is what you have to do nowadays to remain a Scientologist in good standing – you need to actually MOCK UP stupidity – unknowness about your OWN field of expertise in order to continue to operate in that bizarre universe. In fact, in mocking this up, Mr. Rodriguez now HIMSELF actually no longer understands the Student Hat materials (and probably most of his tech training as well).
Nobody in the world invalidates the gains and abilities of Scientology training and processing more than Sea Org members in The Church of Scientology. And they wonder why the subject is in such bad repute around the world?
Sad to say that Scientology has become the ultimate rat race.
Amen!
I have been out for 30 odd years, but the NOTION of GAT 1, is way out KSW. This GAT 2 and starting the bridge over from the Student Hat?!! OT VIIs and VIIIs being declared enmasse and nasty invalidation cycles,
A year ago, I was considering going back in comm. Thank heavens for the internet, Mike’s blog, Marty’s and the Underground Bunker.
I dodged a bullet.
Foctober 14, 2014 is my betting pool date.
If the human mind or spirt hasn’t changed in the past 30 years why would Scientology need to “advance”? What worked in 1960 will work today without any alterations.
Scientology is not a car company that needs a new model every few years to keep the publics interest.
Like a Stradivarius.
Very good point.
Or a dentist.
Dentist Song from Little Shop of Horrors. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM
“One should make one’s life revolve around Scientology.”
This statement has been run on the public for a long time and is nothing new. Public or staff can never do enough to feed the beast called “Scientology.” One can never donate enough money, volunteer enough hours, put in enough course time, give away enough of their minor children to the SO, etc…
When I was going on course every day for a slot (did this for a number of years over the last decade or so)
and was a good student progressing through my courses at a fast pace, it was never good enough for them. I would frequently get hauled in for a “talk” about how I had to put in more time, in spite of the fact that I had a full career and family life that I had to care for too. None of that mattered and I was consistently told that I had to put my “priorities in order” and
“revolve my life around Scientology” and that “all those other things” will fall into place.” The rest of my dynamics were only “things” to them.
The students who are more upstat get more demands and invals are placed on them, so they can be “used” for the church as examples, opinion leaders, for the stats they make, etc. That was my experience, anyway.
No big surprise that Class 8’s would be targeted like this. It’s typical form and now with no big reach for GAT2, they will be forced to get back on training again. Resistance is futile in the Borg.
“Should” “must” “can’t” “demand” “effect” “drive” “require” “reinforce” “put into effect” “insist” “perform” “expect” “carry out” “accomplish” “compliance” “administrate” “crack down” “impose” “whip” etc etc are ENFORCE words.
When you hear people saying we MUST and SHOULD those people are down into the enforcement band. They are not at the top of the CDEI scale.
Hubbard did start out at the top of the CDEI scale. It IS a REAL condition. He fell down into the enforce band. He mocked up a body of enforcers called the Sea Organization. He changed the purpose from clearing the Earth to enforcing his ethics on Earth.
That does not mean the processes do not work and much of his early work is not valid. There are people that can only see in extremes. “It is all holy or all evil”. They couldn’t walk a middle road if they were being pulled by a tow truck. If it isn’t highly charged drama they aren’t interested. Fuck if I have to discount all of it or worship all of it to win applause in some new tribe.
One “SHOULD” make one’s life revolve around Scientology.”…all the way down in the enforce band.
Let’s face it, the world is a marketplace. You just can not make someone buy your goods for very long. Without desire, there are no buyers.
The Church has fallen down into the enforce band.
Most people got over that culture like 40 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
David has morphed into an old battleaxe , the Manuel Noriega of “spiritual awareness”. He is a career soldier, not even a good P.R. man, politician, leader. guru, auditor, husband, son, brother,
friend. Just a fucking career soldier.
Definitely has an axe to grind.
In the end, a very ordinary person.
Very interesting analysis. I’d love to have a beer, coffee, beverage of your choice, with you.
Andres Rodriguez was a bit strange in the 90s in Mexico City Org, already very much a cult like personality but with a sense of humor anyway; he left for the US in the late nineties only to appear once in a while at the org to lecture on this or that, even on nutrition. Very much molded as a cult member, he would even make suggestive remarks about who you were in a past life. Totally weird.
Lord have mercy! It’s gone from contact, handle, salvage, bring to understanding, to MANDATORY “briefing”, belittle, bully, invalidate, discount, and bring to confusion or “no understanding”.
Apparently there is a lack of “curious about” or “desire” for the new product, so swiiiiiish! All the way down the CDEI scale into the enforce band!
Scientology doesn’t even work in the enforce band. Which is WHY there is a lack of “curious about” and “desire” to begin with!
“Lastly he said that instead of making Scientology revolve around one’s life, one should make one’s life revolve around Scientology.” The group is all and the individual is nothing! All together now, chant!
This is totally abberrated. NON liberation. “Do it for the tribe” .
The bait and switch these days is from, “Life improvement available” to “Your life really doesn’t matter at all you dummies.”
Every time David comes out with his “new bridge”, he throws everyone into a danger declare by asking them to bypass normal habits and routines, regardless of current success!
Meanwhile, the people who are able to keep their wits about them are still thinking with the same SUCCESSFUL actions, and the same simple ideas that always bought about some joy in the atmosphere, and taking the motion that comes in, and using it to win.
I recently had an auditing session with Trey Lotz.
He flew my ruds and that alone was INCREDIBLE!!!
Then he did a PTS cycle that totally handled a long, long, long time PTS situation that had been restimulated in PT and was literally destroying my health.
I was blown away by the simplicity of the application of the tech – just the way it should be!!!
Trey was “spot on” with his actions in the session and went right to the heart of the matter.
The best part of the cycle is that this one session has completely handled a problem that I’ve had my whole life – something has been making me MISERABLE for over 6 decades!
I have been unable to have any kind of an encounter with other people without coming away from it feeling like I’ve said and done all the wrong things. I would end up with my stomach in a knot of severe anxiety and worry, sometimes for hours and even days afterward. No matter how hard I tried to interact with others “correctly”, I was convinced that I had failed. I’ve never been able to be comfortable around other people as a result. And I would never dare say how I really felt about anything if it meant creating a clash of realities. On the job, I was always in the tone level of propitiation because I was convinced that someone was going to hit me and hit me HARD for the slightest mistake or error or deviation from what was “acceptable”. No matter how many things I did that were right, they lost all their value if I did one little thing wrong. I was always analytically aware that this was illogical and a product of my case, but that didn’t make me feel any better.
I’ve been in Scientology for almost 40 years and this condition has never been handled.
Since my recent session with Trey, I notice that this condition is GONE!!!
It’s been a whole week and no anxiety or worry. I am relaxed around other people and can do and say anything without agonizing over it later. I can make mistakes and it’s no big deal. I can laugh about it!
I CAN FINALLY LIVE OUT LOUD!!!
Thanks, Trey. You totally rock!!! And thanks, Ron. The correct tech correctly applied WORKS!!!
Kathy
Wow, Kathy, what a fantastic win! Good for you and great job to Trey.
How fortunate for us to be in such grand company. Very, very well done.
I just passed on the success story. It was sent to me. I will pass back your kind acknowledgement. 🙂
Fantastic Oracle! What a wonderful success for you, Trey and the tech.
Only a complete ahole would tell a CLVIII, that you didn’t get the
correct tech and you need to retrain.
NO! only a wet back C/S WUS who SCOHB would do such a thing.
2 points:
1) Mr. Vicky’s recounting of the interchange with the dentist is almost certainly made up.
The only living dentist in PAC who’s a Class VIII is Dr. Segerdal, and he hasn’t set foot in an org since somewhere around the Battle of Hastings.
More likely scenario: Miss Vicky (ex-wife of Tiny Tim I believe) just conjured up this interchange in her “debrief”, using the pre-packaged metaphor of auditing and dentistry. Hey, they both use drilling.
As supporting evidence, I cite Exhibit A: Miscavige LOVES these analogies. During GAT 1, he compared auditing to playing the piano. Sometime later, auditing was like fixing a car. Could dentistry be far behind?
2) The inval, horrific as it was, is nothing new for Rodriguez. A few years back, he told a crowd of auditors that the only reason we’re not on course is because we’re home watching porn and masturbating. I thought, sure, that may be true for me, but all auditors…?
Also POTPIE, if you wouldn’t mind, please give an e-mail address. Anonymity guaranteed.
Rodriguez is a real charmer, isn’t he?
War Horse. I’m laughing out loud!
OMG, I almost choked on my peanut M&M reading this ! The vision of all the auditors in the world sitting at home and …….. LOL
How do I give you my email address so it isn’t on here?
Potpie — if the address you use for your comments (it does not show up on the blog, but I can see it) is the right one, I will send it to War Horse.
So the only reason people would not be down at the org on course is because they’re watching porn and masturbating.
Bless his heart. He really has NO idea of what a full life can include. That’s actually quite sad.
Ignorance and fundamentalism, indeed.
He accuses the others of what he does.
Well if those CL VIIIs that had the misfortune to attend the inval-fest (oops, “Briefing”) weren’t already disaffected with the mass squirreling of Miscavagology, they should be now. And, “they should make their lives revolve around Scientology” really means they should subordinate all aspects of their lives to the whims, needs and dictates of Miscavige, who is the only one that matters in all this anyways.
When I first went into an org in 1980 their tech, according to their promo, was 100%. Before the first GAT it was also 100%. After GAT made everyone 100% the tech was 100%. When I went to Flag in the late 90s their tech was 100% plus they were the “Mecca for technical perfection” which is obviously better than merely being 100% standard. Now after years of dedicated research and the diligent search for “lost tech” we have it on the best authority the tech is now LRH and 100% standard.
One thing that always impressed me about Flag promo and videos were the interviews with non tech trained people each of whom knew with Total Certainty ™ that Flag was 100% standard.
The thing that surprises me about this is that the dwarf hasn’t coined a new term like “Super Premium Planet Clearing Certainty Standard”. Surely this is an oversight?
Undoubtedly.
I guess by now we’re up to about 700% STANDARD TECH!!! I hope you TM’d the new phraseology Int Party. 🙂
I think Dan Sherman would claim I was riffing off one of his descriptions.
It was interesting how the Class VIII supervisor brings up the comparison to college regarding schedules. But in College they don’t tell you that your degree is suddenly invalid and send you back to high school to repeat your education periodically and make you buy it all over again.
Right!!!!!! Plus, you decide if a course is right for you in YOUR curriculum and when you’re done, you can write an honest critique on the professor and the course without fear of repercussion. Plus, you can miss class(es) and no one sends you to ethics or a sec check.
Robocop: “We can’t have that!”
Theta P – you’re right md they shouldn’t be using “college” as an example because they don’t know anything about it. The CoS and its fundamentalists tells young people that they will become stupid if they go to college, or worse, a promiscuous moral degenerate, drug user, psych influenced, etc…
I worked 30 hours a week while I went to college full time and was able to organize my class schedule accordingly. I have two kids in university right now and they have made their class schedule M- Thurs for the last few years and both are double majoring. Mr Rodriguez needs to be a little more realistic and honest.
…and, I forgot to add: the concept “changes to Standard Tech” is an oxymoron.
I did the VIII Checksheet 4 times thru and interned it. I thought at the time of LRH passing that Std Tech was in concrete. 10 years after the release of GAG I, I finally went and did the gagging. I wrote close to a dozen tech alter-is reports(and could’ve written more) and shocked that after 10 years of GAG I, that no one had corrected it. I kept writing it up which landed me in Ethics where I’m told that if there’s a conflict between the drill and an HCOB, you did it per the HCOB and that’s how it’s kept Std. I couldn’t think with it. If I do it per the HCOB and others did it per the drill, how was that Std?
This was a plea to get with the program. No thanks.
Yep. The GAT 1 drill packs specifically say “if you find a conflict between this drill and an LRH reference” YOU MUST WRITE IT UP AND COMPLETE THE DRILL AS WRITTEN. In other words…YOU MUST DO IT WRONG. There ya go! Miscavige-tech in action!
Must, must, must. Mandatory. Gotta do it. If it only didn’t cancel my nightly parcheesi game.
Yep, POT, I found that infuriating as a sup. “Let’s drill it to 100% imperfection and wait however long it takes to get a response to our write-up.”
Because hey, the drill is the reference.
Mike, I need an eye-rolling emoticon! Stat. 😀
I appreciate all the efforts you made iForrest.
Oh, yeah, I will bet it was an eye opener for some, though not in the way the expected. As I recall, Andres is a Class VIII, but I bet he has not done his GAT II training due to lack of study/sleep time. DM probably keeps him around because Andres, too, is on the short side as well as very thin.
“Lastly he said that instead of making Scientology revolve around one’s life, one should make one’s life revolve around Scientology.”
Hmmm. I wonder which piece of 100% on-tech LRH that is, since Mr. Andres Rodriguez is 100% on-tech LRH?
Certainly it’s 100% Miscavology-tech.
I love how if you want to get people onto course, you publicly humiliate and invalidate them.
I also love how dentistry tech is exactly like auditing tech. Nothing illustrates more how A=A=A=A thinking has permeated the “church” than this little example.
“Dentistry tech has changed over the past 30 years, so every arbitrary introduced by Miscavige since he cancelled all arbitraries is justified. Get it?”
and
“Whatever you thought was Standard Tech” is now different. So whatever definition you had for “standard” or “Standard Tech” is wrong. And if you protest that, you’re out-ethics.”
Andres Rodriguez lost any possibility of altitude with me years ago when I asked him which LRH reference said that Misunderstood was a left-hand button and he couldn’t answer it.
After all, the GAT 1 drills teach a student auditor that Misunderstood *is* a left-hand button. It’s right in the buttons drill. And every drill after that leverages that (false) datum to teach the student auditor something that is not true and not LRH.
“Mr.” Andres Rodriguez told me that the “reference is the drill”. Wotta bunch of horse-hockey.
(A more complete telling of the interchange is in my post at http://possiblyhelpfuladvice.com/?p=11431. The comments on that post are a riot, too!)
New Scientology riddle:
Q: When someone tells you something is 100% standard on-tech LRH, how do you know it is?
A: Because they say so.
Seems to me Andres is firmly and fully locked in a self-protective pro-survival Miscavige valence.
Plainoldthetan – just read your link on your complete post about this on your blog. VERY well put. Thank you for relaying that as you did.
Having battered, abused, pulverized, smashed and introverted Senior Management and mostly declared them “Provisional SP” there appears to be more and more demands for stats and production from OT Ambassadors, OT VIIs and OT VIIIs and Class VIIIs.
We wouldn’t want to disappoint Davey, now would we?
The burden of delivery has been put on the public for decades. “We can’t deliver OT8 until you buy us a ship” “We can’t deliver Super Power until you buy us a building”. “We can’t open a mission in your area until you pay us 40 grand”. “We can’t release Super Power until 1,000 of you join the Sea Org”. “We can’t clear the planet now unless you buy us billions of dollars of real estate.”
“I can’t go release until you buy me the best Scotch.” – DM
Hadn’t you heard?
Der Midget discovered a lost transcript
It is now B=B=B equals BS.
RCo$ is all about invlidation, especially if you start to think for yourself.
Think for yourself and a decaration will follow. I’m truly glad I saw through the BS and now can and do make my own decisions and am no longer told to think
This sort of thing hits home with me. It appears once again
invalidation is used on highly trained tech terminals to get them to conform
and set the stage for how incompetent auditors are unless they do GAG II etc.
These VIIIs should of all stood up and walked out.
I finished the VIII course just prior to the three
swing fn and GAG I coming out. In fact I’m sure it was in the works and
the graduation I spoke at when I finished the course was used to set a frame of mind.
The next day after this graduation I was called in to speak with some SO lady
I do not know. She wasted no time invalidating my speech and how it was
joking and degrading, she attacked me for the way I had dressed at graduation,
so on and so on. Very rude young lady. This morphed into a private meeting with
Senior C/S Int, Jon Eastman (he was on stage during all the graduation speeches that night).
I had to apologize for making fun of him and then he told me I obviously had MU’s so I
would now have to retrain from the bottom up. What do I mean by setting a frame of mind?
In the same graduation two SO members from outer orgs spoke as well. One had just finished the
Cl VI internship and the other the Cl IX internship. They too were upbraided
for their speeches and were sent back to their respective orgs in disgrace.
Three highly trained auditors heads were chopped off in one graduation….you think they weren’t head hunting?
I don’t for a minute think anything other than these actions from that graduation were to let other
highly trained people know it was in their best interest to happily retrain on GAG I.
It now is obvious they are using these tactics once again.
Did I redo everything with GAG I?……hell no. I’m a permanent Cl VI auditor who has done
and graduated the CL VIII course. They can never take that away from me or anyone else.
Potpie, Well done on your training and auditing in Scn. And very well done that you stood up to them. You’re right, your internship is forever and your training is yours to take with you as you exit stage left. They can never take it away from you. There is room in the Indie field for good auditors to audit the prisoners of war as they leave the sinking ship.
I second that, Potpie! A permanent cert is a permanent cert. Go you!
Potpie – inquiring minds want to know – what the heck did you say at that graduation that these folks were so offended by?
Disgusting Potpie. This is so indicative of the hubris and conceit that they operate with, telling someone how to speak and express themselves. They practice out Scn basics while cramming “basics” down the everyone’s throat.
Reges code: Once you’ve got them by the balls, go for the throat.
Never-in long time lurker here. It amazes me (but I guess it shouldn’t) that the cherch which so aggressively litigates against copyright infringement does so with such abandon. Here they’ve stolen an image from Universal Studios/Illumination Entertainment. It’s from the movie “Despicable Me 2 – Minions”. At least this time they stole an appropriate image!
I “stole” the image, not the church. It’s one of my favorite movies, my boys love it. And it seemed so appropriate. I don’t think Universal will mind…. Especially as unlike the church I am not trying to sell anything.
I apologize, Mike. I follow your blog faithfully and thought I finally had something to contribute here – and I put my foot in it. When you wrote “he mistakenly thought…” I assumed you were referring to the author of the email. I’ll go back to lurking now…
That’s OK. I wasn’t offended. Always like to see new people speaking up 🙂
Yeah, we all put our foot in it sometimes, iCandy. Don’t get all shy on us now. 🙂
Love the minions! My first avatar was a minion on ESMB. I’m with you Mike – one of my favorite movies ever. I just love those little yellow guys.
–WARNING — RANT CONTAINED BELOW!! —
This debrief sums up, as a punch line, the joke the church has become. Class VIII’s still in, recognize that you have snapped terminals and become the Squirrels.
There are so many layers of badness here. Class VIII’s being compared to dentists?!! I never thought I’d hear of such a thing. Why didn’t every one of those Cl VIII’s stand up right then and squelch that?
And is this Snr C/S WUS saying that LRH didn’t already put all the tech of actual Scientology out there? These new emeters are just gadgets. Even if they work great, they are still simply tools. They don’t “advance” jack all about how Scn is done. It’s a contradiction for them to claim they are doing Scn exactly as LRH says, while simultaneously claiming the tech has advanced/is advancing.
And after DM has hobbled all avenues for people to become auditors, this whippersnapper “Snr C/S” has the temerity to expect anyone to clamor to be a new auditor?! How many excited young auditors have those Class VIII’s seen crushed at this point? With all of the tech alterations, all of the being told to “return to the beginning of the Bridge and tell me when you’re there” maneuvers, how can anyone maintain enthusiasm about becoming an auditor??
The fact that Class VIII’s could just sit there and let a briefing like this occur, more than anything else, is what says Scn has lost its way. They should be the ones leading a revolt to oust Miscavige and his squirrelly case-killing ways. Class VIII’s are supposed to be the zealots pushing in Standard Tech, not meek doormats letting themselves be bulldozed by wave after wave of programs that water the Tech down to pointlessness.
I used to think of Class VIII’s as superheroes. Was I wrong to think so? Maybe. In my day, I certainly saw some great Class VIII C/S’ing and technical direction that worked wonders for students and pc’s.
To envision a room of Class VIII’s putting up with this sort of briefing makes me sick to my stomach. You’re all a disgrace to your training.
–END OF RANT–
Hear, hear Sydney!
Hear hear Sydney!
Can you tell I was ranting? 🙂
Sometimes you just gotta let it out!
Hi Syndey……I do understand your frustration.
I feel the VIII’s and any other seasoned interned
auditors who have not accepted the 3 fn out tech or who
have not done any of the GAG crap are indeed making a
statement. One step further, the VIII’s that didn’t
show for this meeting were making a statement
in my view as well.
I think the problem is the current church
leadership is invalidating, condemning and making nothing of
these auditors to a point where we couldn’t begin to change the
sheeples minds by stepping up and speaking out against this
obvious out tech to them directly. On the other hand there are quit a few
tech terminals who speak out on a daily basis on these blogs.
Time is on our side though…..such out tech
cannot continue and won’t. It will either be sucked up by the
independent field or just crash the church.
Sorry I misspelled ur name Sydney.
Yes, I totally agree with you, Potpie.
I was kind of surprised with myself at the strong reaction I had to this particular post.
One of the things I ran into my last several years in the church — as I know many many others have — was seeing outpoints, trying to do something about them using correct church lines, getting agreement from the terminal I was trying to sort it out with (Qual Secs, EOs, Snr C/Ses, Cram Offs, Sups, etc) that things (like the mandatory 3 swing F/N, FSO closing down all Field Auds within a 50 mile radius of Flag, etc) were not right, but then everyone being all hush hush about it.
Nobody wanted to talk out loud about it because it would land you in front of an MAA or a Sec Checker. I guess some of my suppressed comm snuck out. 🙂
Syd,
I don’t think they had many actual VIIIs. Like Mike said 5, 6 maybe. So I wouldn’t get down on VIIIs in general.
Quite a few VIIIs I know were the first ones to say the Golden Age of Tech sucked long before I had that cognition myself with a three swing floating TA 😉
Wished I’d listened to them.
Actually wished I’d listen to myself. Instead of invalidating my own knowingness when I saw the vid on the Golden Age of Tech at Phoenix Org.
I mean there was this crowd or morons clapping like a buncha trained seals at the grossest example I’d seen of *Q&A* in my life with that idiot Miscavige standing there with that stupid smug grin on his face sucking it up like the lil’ soul sucking vampire he is.
But…..
Ce le vive.
I invalidated my own knowingness and bought into the group think that was prevalent in the Scientology community at the time and did the Certainty Course on which I gained the absolute *certainty* that the Golden Age of Tech was indeed *squirrel*.
RV,
I hear that! I wish I’d listened to myself sooner, as well.There were 3 Class VIII’s in particular that I really looked up to and talked with about my disagreements during my last several years in. And every one of them saw the outpoints, but decided that the overall important factor was to focus on the Big Picture and not sweat the details. There was a lot of ‘this too shall pass’ viewpoint about it.
Maybe there weren’t many Class VIII’s in this recent briefing. But how many were at earlier briefings re GAT I, and other evolutions of tech alterations? It’s sort of like saying there weren’t many Jews left in that last round of Nuremberg experiments (hey look, I brought it back around to Nazi’s. Go Godwin’s law!).
Honestly, I’m madder at myself than anyone else. I turned a blind eye and listened to Scn’ists I respected. I told myself they were more experienced in the history of the church, and that I should just contain myself and let the checks and balances of the church play out and fix itself. Of course, now we know those checks and balances no longer exist, if they ever fully did. And I was scared of pulling down ethics and justice on myself. It’s not so fun seeing in yourself the ability to justify wrong and harmful things so you don’t reap consequences.
The very philosophy that was supposed to have the tools to resolve all the petty and unjust things I’d observed in numerous other religions and philosophies, turned out not to be able to resolve those things either. It’s been very disheartening in a number of ways.
Know just what you mean Sydney.
Goodwin’s “Law” or more likely Goodwin’s self perpetuating prophecy.
You know not thinking of pink elephants when you’re told not to think of pink elephants even though you may have never thought of pink elephants before that but anyway…
There was one I know of who did the original VIII who went along with the program while he was covertly auditing Suzette behind the scenes.
A couple of good friends of mine who thought that GAT was total BS but played along so their certs wouldn’t get illegally canceled by Chaz and the Nazis over at I Seig Heil er I mean IHelp because their public consisted of high end Flag rejects and celebs
Another one who told ’em to go f_ck ’em selves who like me ended up at the other end of a full court press “Ethics” read intimidation “investigation”.
Admirably he didn’t fold and had enough juice in the org to dodge the “SP” bullet.
Couple of good friends who were VIIIs that got declared.
Still kept in comm with ’em over the internet.
One who was into “J&D” that said that he’d sign up for the platinum age of tech too if he had to.
Of course the no humor SO sour pusses missed what he really meant to say 😉
Yeah a lot of them I were into the “this too shall pass” philosophy and trying to apply TR0 bull bait to the scene.
But me I mean I’m just a lowly VI and there was a point I just decide enough was enough.
I wonder what they are saying now with GAT type II?
I love rants. 🙂
This is a desperate move.
To bad on the OT 8 meter’s, batteries dead?
That’s really, really, really very revealing.
That email is completely un-self-aware. They are clueless about how insular and unconnected to the world they actually are. No wonder they cannot connect with “wogs.”
I’m going to predict publicly that the lights at Flag will go off before the end of 2014. By that, I mean I don’t think they’ll be able to pay their electricity bills.
I hope you are right about that, “Just Me.” And the Freewinds can’t be having any better time of it as they aren’t routing too many VII’s to the Ship now. There was one I personally know who completed VII and couldn’t go to the Ship cuz she was then told to buy a new meter…. an expense she hadn’t planned on.
Something else to say here…that word “mandatory” is one that always made me know I did not want to go to whatever it was that was being mandated. It is a sure indicator that the evening will wind up a disaster in some way.
Right Bela, it means their stats are down.
This all important, highly significant, monumental briefing is hereby mandated, thus mandatory by the one and only, Mr. Personality himself, compassion personified, let’s hear it for our very own SOB er, sorry sir, I meant COB.
What’s that sound I hear? It sounds like a hammering sound. Wait… that’s it! It’s the sound of another nail being hammered into the Scientology coffin lid. This can only end one place. Six feet under.
Aside from the disgust I feel reading about the make wrong meeting run on the Class 8s, it is obvious that Mr. Vicky Shantz and Mr. Andres Rodriquez both need to retread their studies of OEC Vol. 0, in which Hubbard states in HCOPL 21 Feb 1964 STAFF REGULATIONS AUDITING VERSUS JOB, “The possession of a certificate carries with it the responsibility of knowing the skills covered by it. Constant retraining within a level for which the auditor has already been classified is forbidden.”
Oh well, you know, that’s old and historical.
“STANDARD TECH AND INVALIDATION” – I don’t know what all is in this hcob, but I can’t believe they would even bring something with that title into the “briefing”! Seriously – these Class VIIIs need to start standing up on their hind legs and telling corncob to go fuck himself.
Honestly – confront is something you learn about on the comm course. And Class VIIIs have none?
“instead of making Scientology revolve around one’s life, one should make one’s life revolve around Scientology.”
What’s next ‘selling’ flowers and clanking away on finger cymbals at the airports? $cientology today really is the ‘MIscavige Appreciation Society”. The failure of GAT 2 will become very visible this year. What will Davey and clampire do then? GAT 3? OT 9 thru 15? Unless DM can start a war with the Raelian no one is going pay attention (or any money) to CO$.
A: Since the advent of the circular bridge, I would be shocked if there were 5 practicing CLVIIIs. Miscavige had de-certified any existing competent auditor years ago and taken away the certs of every auditor over and over again long before they reach CL VIII.
B. I can’t imagine eve being able to hear the briefing due to the clanging cognitive dissonance in your head as a CL VIII after being told you have to start over at the beginning and that everything you’ve ever done in Scientology is worthless, yet being told that you are a high-level Scientologist and you need to set an example. They can’t tell the CL XII people that because every one of them is dead, declared or in the hole, right?
C. How can you be a CL VIII and on the GATII Student Hat at the same time? If you are on the Student Hat, you have once again lost all your auditor certification and are a lowly beginning Scientologist. No matter how much they try to gild the pig, the bottom line is you are forced to start at the bottom and are NOT A CL VIII.
D. Any CL VII worth their salt could not pass a checkout on Golden Age of Dreck because there is nothing standard about it and try as they might, they cannot force themselves to audit that poorly or wait three freaking swings for a stupid F/N.
E. “One’s life revolve around Scientology.” No. Never. what a horrible horrible burden to lay on anyone.
Well said, Valerie.
Dang, wish I could have been there. Sounds like there must have been wins all around.
Also, glad to see Mr. Rodriquez had his Snr C/S WUS auditors hat on and pulled off the mandatory briefing without any eval or inval …………typical Miscarriage style. Like I said…really sorry I missed it.
Won’t it be on YouTube?
Are there any Class 8’s left in the church? How can a trained person with any integrity stay connect to that batch of squirrels?
Actually, cause resurgence should be the ultimate RCS metaphor.
For the people inside the bubble, it’s going to be a painful and noisy ride as the church slowly sinks into the abyss. Thank god DM is as stupid as he is. It gives me hope that I may one day see my daughter & grandchildren again.
Amen to that Gail!
Indeed Gail. I am hearted as the church appears to be on a one way trip to non-existence.
I too am heartened, Gail, and wish for you to be with your daughter and grandchildren again. Soon. It can’t come soon enough.
I can’t imagine any of these Class VIII after this meeting thinking, “Yes, this is my religion.”
I hope so too, Gail! May you see your daughter and grandchildren soon. Very soon…
Thank you Annabelle and Old Surfer Dude.
Keep the faith Gail, It’s going to happen. Hang in there!
The correct response from these idiots who allow themselves to be berated by know-best tyrants would be this: “Well then, asshole let’s have YOU show us exactly how it’s done. Better yet, since miscavige is such a perfect tech terminal, get HIM down here to demonstrate the right way to do it.”
I can’t even imagine how bad miscavige would suck behind an e meter tying to handle someone who was pissed off after hearing his most recent wrong indication.
Right on the mark Les! Love to have been there and said “Well then show us how it’s done dickbreath!”
The reason Miscavige can alter tech with abandon is because he knows so little of it and he believes in it even less IMHO.
Absolutely right, Valerie!
Which is “The Why” as to why he hasn’t pick up the cans in, what, 21 years now? He doesn’t believe in it anymore.
That’s right, Valerie. Miscavige’s opinion has to be: If Scientology worked, why haven’t they taken me, a blatant charlatan, down? And the answer is that this degree of evil has not been encountered before.
Wake up, OSA. You’re working for the wrong side.
Perfect, Les. That is exactly what should happen.
I would like to see a video even one of the jokers who were checking out the Class VIIIs give an example of a correct assessment.
It would not even surprise me if some of them have barely audited. I have seen RTC people who fit this description but try to make up for their ignorance with arrogance.
As for “Mr.” Rodriguez, I happened to know from personal experience that he cannot or will not duplicate very plain LRH instructions when they are contrary to “command intention”.
And why did I put “Mr.” in quotation marks?
Because almost 50 years ago, in HCO PL 14 Feb 1966 entitled “Doctor Title Abolished”, LRH made this simple statement about the title, “Mister.”:
“The Title of ‘Mister’, implying ‘Master’, I also abandon.”
Now there is a policy for “Mr.” Rodriguez (who quotes the Student Hat Course), “Mr.” Clive Rabey, and all of the other illustrious “Misters” out there including “Mr.” David Miscavige to read, duplicate, and apply.
Right LDW. Like you’re supposed to assess well in that hostile environment. It’s so stupid that they take joy in “getting” a Cl VIII making a boo boo which any human can do at any time. Auditing is about caring, compassion, truly being in comm and desiring to help the person in front of you. I would like to see one of those idiots handle a bogged case fully. Not going to happen.
All your base are belong to us.
This is a desperation move. They aren’t getting any cooperation, the sheeple are not falling into line with GAT II (just like they didn’t with GAT I). Just like you said Mike, instead of looking inward and seeing that they have another WRONG WHY with great big exclamation points, instead they are forcing this “new tech” down everyone’s throat.
I know exactly how this whole thing went down. The RTC Rep PAC probably had a bright idea (or was given one by COB) or noticed some random report about how the Class VIIIs in the area were not lining up to do GAG II, so a despatch went from the RTC office to Vicki Shantz, CO CLO, or a briefing was given to Continental NCC, quoting the above reference on VIIIs and telling them to get the VIIIs in and get them with the program. CO CLO and Snr C/S WUS, with CO CMO PAC, then work out this “briefing” (read “make wrong invalidation) so that the VIIIs really get it how off-the-rails they are and how they are not “keeping up” with the changes in the tech.
Of course, all the VIIIs are thinking in the back of their heads that this is total BS because the ONE THING that you walk away from the Class VIII course is that Scientology tech as developed by L. Ron Hubbard was perfectly worked out in full by 1969 and is never to be changed, altered, messed with or “improved upon”.
Well done Vicki and Andres. You are proving, once again, that you are 100% out-KSW. Not that I care so much about KSW or any of it. But from the perspective inside the bubble, what they are doing is absolutely going to result in just one thing: the continued destruction of Scientology as they know it.
Chris, I think there’s more insidiousness to this than meets the eye. First, the assessment drill as used on the metering course has different patter than is used in a real session. So any long-term auditor has to wrap his wits about the different patter in order to pass. That pretty much guarantees a 100% fail rate, at least on first run-through. Second, the pc you’ve got on the cans has to be sessionable. How likely was that to have occurred? Third, anyone with an I-HELP agreement has put his signature n an agreement to re-do training whenever demanded by the church or lose his certs. Don’t think that spiked battle-club wasn’t waved around at this little “briefing”. And, like the “briefings” taking place all over the planet, this was just a sales meeting to convince people they need to buy Mark VIIIs and (again) re-do a metering course.
Remember that the purpose of David Miscavige is to get a few people auditing as possible. So this “briefing” was intended to discourage people from becoming auditors or to continue auditing. And what a good job it did of that!
What I love is that “briefings” like this are necessary because the GAT II event wasn’t video-distributed to every org on the planet. You remember, the GAT II event that required new (Cherman-accent) “papers” and a “church”-issued photo-ID to attend.
New Scientology riddle:
Q: Is a Scientology briefing where everyone stands in a circle and pulls down their briefs?
A: No, that’s a Scientology de-briefing.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2vkiLHiTcY&w=400&h=300%5D
Yes, plainoldthetan, I agree that the entire purpose of GAT (both parts I and II) are exactly the opposite of what COB claims they are. Whereas he is saying it’s all about making perfect auditors and getting lots of auditing going, what is actually happening is exactly the opposite. And this has been going on for almost 20 straight years now.
Scientology is no longer the subject that we knew. It has morphed into Miscavology. And those who are still in are totally fine with this. They think it’s great and they praise their Dear Leader and call him glorious and “standard” as though they have any idea what they are talking about.
The bubble world is a 1984 Orwellian society of doublespeak. KSW now means altering it beyond all recognition. Standard Tech now means the tech that morphs every time Dear Leader speaks into whatever he says it is. Scientology is no longer knowing how to know – it’s knowing how to be be a head-in-the-sand follower.
Great comments Chris Shelton!
I’m surprised that there are any Class VIII’s still around.
With all the changes make by Captain Davey, any Class VIII who didn’t object to the changes, doesn’t deserve the title of VIII.
I guess when LRH created and ran the Class VIII course back in 68 he failed to make it standard and full on source. Luckily Davey came along and was able to gleam from the theta vapor what Ron’s real intentions were.
I wonder if my old friend Dennis Pero is still around and kicking. He was the first Class VIII to C/S at the Las Vegas org. A great guy and C/S. I would hate to think that he would still be drinking the Davey juice.
Now that has got to be some nasty looking stuff!
I’m truly puzzled. Aren’t the Class VIIIs aware that Davey Dingbat never finished the BC? That he was flunked out? That he attacked a pc? That he has had no auditing of his own since 1993? That he has audited no one? What in hell could he possibly know about tech and “advancements”? Or understanding what he continually “discovers”? I never attained such heights of tech knowledge, yet I sure could smell the major rats coming on by the late 70s, early 80s. And I had the sense to get myself out. What are these talented, persistent, auditors thinking? Have they lost all sense of self awareness? This kind of thing is truly heartbreaking, especially after experiencing great auditing and seeing its results in my own life. And the lives of countless others.
He not only didnt finish, he didnt start the BC.
Can you imagine training him?
Course sup: Flunk!
DM: Lou!!! %=! $#@!!!
thegman, isn’t the dwarf chnging around the OT levels too?
Well, he did declare Lisa Mcpherson clear so he must know a little something about auditing right?
A veritable fount of “knowingness”.
I am sure that many VIIIs are aware the fact that lil’ Davey doesn’t know shit from shinola regarding tech (at least the VIIIs I know or knew did) but the ones that are left are just biding their time until they can get the fuck outta Dodge without having to disconnect.
Then there are those who bypassed a lot mis-us and are loaded with false data who buy into this moron’s idiocy.
Though I haven’t met too many of those.
And finally there are those who gave up auditing and now sell real estate for the Church because it is more profitable and like Dave they are sleaze balls.
Minorron, Denis and Alice Pero are still drinking the Kool Aide as far as I know. Back when I was still in good standing, I went to a public poetry reading in a public bookstore and saw poet friend of mine that I hadn’t seen for a long time and I said “hi” and we were talking. Alice Pero frowned at me and said she needed to talk to me privately and to call me so she could privately talk to her. I found out why: the person I was catching up with was now a declared Special Person and Alice was doing the old FB Police hat in a public venue to try to get me to stop fraternizing with the enemy. I guess if we were both to apply the new DM Disconnection policy, both Alice and I as “good Scientologists” should have not attended the poetry reading at all so as not to speak to nor even see a Special Person. That is how we confront and shatter suppression in the cult!
I guess what is greatness went out a long time ago.
Love the term ‘Special Person’ you used in your comment. I like that.
Davey juice – I just barfed a little.
I stopped at “Mister Vicky”. I gather that comes from the real Navy (you know, the one that threw Blubbard’s sorry ass out). During his extremely short and pathetic career, there weren’t female line officers for him to call “Ma’am”, or he could have figured it out for himself. What a moron.
I assume the rest of it was the same old…
You are all a bunch of losers.
Write me a check.
You are still losers.
Write me another check.
Revolving around scientology is more like circling the drain.
Bystander, you are demonstrating a logic ‘system’ that is no better than that which you criticize.
This is Invalidation, 1984. Just pointing it out so others can see.
And it is also a generality, since you do not say exactly WHY it is no better; nor what the “logic system” is – neither the one that Bystander is supposedly using, nor the one that he is supposedly criticizing. You know what generalities are an indicator of, don’t you?
Sorry, 1984. I didn’t read Bystander’s complete comment until now. I apologize for the earlier two statements I made to you and take them back (recant).
Morris, no problem.
Bingo, Bystander!
According to original version of the Science Of Survival, “The historian can peg the point where a society begins its sharpest decline at the instant when women begin to take part, on an equal footing with men, in political and business affairs; since this means that the men are decadent and the women are no longer women.”
Hubbard wasn’t too fond of women trying to intrude on men’s work – though it appears that went out the window as far as using women for free labor goes. He couldn’t even conceive of the possibility of women being leaders or accomplishing anything on their own as women so had to make them into a “parody of men” (his phrase, iirc) and call them all “Mr” and “sir”.
As a feminist, from the first time I read the above I was outraged since in my family we have been looking forward to a female president since I was a little kid.
Actually Gene,
Scientology was probably one of the first organizations where woman were the most senior Executives in the organization.
Mary Sue Hubbard Controller and Jane Kember Guardian.
I dare you to find a “wog” organization in that period during the ’60’s and ’70’s where woman were at a similar echelon?
Oh BTW.
Too bad about Hillary.
Better luck next time.
Yes, unlike homosexuals who were outright forbidden from executive positions, under Hubbard women were allowed but only as fake men being called “sir” – not as women – which was my point.
It’s an important point because I think the track record of the organization pretty clearly shows how little it values women as women (or children) or the life giving process in general. The only way women or children are valued are as free labor, otherwise kids just cost extra and must be aborted. It does seem to have got worse under Miscavige.
No worries about Hillary, she wouldn’t be my choice.
To remoteviewed, who says: “I dare you to find a “wog” organization in that period during the ’60′s and ’70′s where woman were at a similar echelon?”
There are probably a number who could be found. The first major organization to diversify ethnically in the US was the military, and that gradually expanded to women in various roles.
Hollywood had to go through quite an evolution, passing through a pathetic stereotype of the “hysterical” woman who had to be slapped by the leading man to make her sensible again, and using white men in blackface or “yassuh” blacks in denigrating roles to what we see in Hollywood today — an incredible improvement over the last 50 years or so.
One of the greatest portrayals in media of women in authority in my opinion was Star Trek, a show that broke lots of ethnic barriers in a way that did not make people’s prejudicial hackles go up.
So what I think we are saying is that to the extent Scientology did _not_ follow Hubbard’s view of women, it may have done some good things in recognizing female leaders. And perhaps to the extent that Scientology can get past Hubbard’s homophobia, it may do some good things for tolerance and acceptance in society. And perhaps to the extent that Scientology can get past Hubbard’s down-putting of blacks (and especially African blacks), maybe Scientology can get along with Nation of Islam.
In short, there are cases where if Scientology is doing something right, it is where Scientology has gone against Hubbard, not with him.
Frankly, I think Star Trek did a million times more for women’s rights than Scientology ever has or ever will — the Church has not even let abortion be a choice, but a mandate; thus they are even past the liberal far range of women’s rights and circled right back into suppression of women’s rights to choose. Ron, The Liberator of Women? I don’t think so.
Exactly Gene. BTW, Pepsico (so many times larger than Scientology it isn’t worth enumerating) had a female Director (above the President) in 1959. LRH was a study in contradictions and psychosis. I genius without a doubt. A sociopath, without a doubt.
Mr Vicky is one of those “Femen” SO members. Theres not a female there and no compassion. Typical drone that would follow DM to hell to hold onto her “status”.
Although I would like to think that Mr is used as sarcasm, it’s probably just a typo. (Grammar is not their strong point.)
That’s not a typo, it is the accepted form of address towards a female executive in the Sea Org
Not Mistress, huh?
By stander I suggest you move to another board which will buy your bullshit.
Just type in ARS, OCMB, ESMB or WWP and go away.
And…..
Have a nice day 🙂
They have about as much chance of hordes of people clamoring to become auditors as Pope Francis converting to Islam.
+1. As a former stand-up comic, MJ, I can tell you that, that’s some funny shit! (As we used to say in the industry). Thanks!
Most welcome Old Surfer Dude. Davey brings out the clown in me. 😉
I bet that meeting was an “eye opener” for Class VIIs. Can you imagine telling some of these crusty old Class VIII’s that they are know-it-all’s who are failing to keep up with the latest “advancements” in tech. It’s a miracle there was no blood spilled. Because Class VIII’s are supposed to be the know-it-alls and there are not supposed to be ANY “advancements” in tech.
“Lastly he said that instead of making Scientology revolve around one’s life, one should make one’s life revolve around Scientology.” My question to this statement is, “how’s that working for you?” I did make my life revolve around Scn and it didn’t work for me. In fact it broke up my family and took my children from me, and my so-called friends, too.
That’s because you didn’t have GAG 2, poor thing.
When “life improvement” activities take over your life, you can be sure that something is wrong with the method of improvement.
Amen.
More like life derailment.
If it’s not, it ought to be a High Crime to belittle a Class VIII. All those years of dedicated training and the message is they have failed because the org’s aren’t booming and they’re not living the Kool-aide. Very sad.
Here is a little piece of LRH tech that applies: “Covert invalidation and nullification is the social intercourse of the SP”.
It is amazing how Scientology always put the microscope on the person and off of the Organization-” shame on you for applying what you were $old – 100% Pure LRH”. You were told many times you will have certainty! Now – you are wrong for acting like “you know”.
What about the false fraudulent claims COB said about KSW – “having the correct technology” and COB announcing over and over – THAT IS DONE!
Mr. Rodriquez was giving briefings on PTSness. He got everyone paranoid about “locating the real SP in your life if you are not moving up the Bridge” etc. Apparantly, Mr. Rodriquez needs to take the PTS/SP class over again – he has failed to spot the real SP – LRH!
Mr. Rodriqeuz is still at it – it is your fault, you purchased training and paid a lot of money for it. You took the time to DO it and were $old 100% pure LRH. You need to come in and brush up your tech – cuz Scientology changed it again. Doesn’t anyone in the bubble see the craziness of this?
The “keeper of the tech”, David Miscavige’s job failed the entire time he has been COB. Don’t look at that fact. What David Miscavige does wrong is totally forgiveable – he needs more praise. What you did wrong is unforgiveable and you will pay and pay and pay!
For 64 years – the SP’s were all over and inside Scientology – changing the tech. COB has found them (although he never applies the tech of announcing WHO the SP’s were) and has corrected it – in 1991, 1996, 2007, 2013/14.
COB failed and no one has the guts to admit it.
These poor people live in fear and are robots! They have no self determinism and can’t think for themselves but they convince themselves they do (the power of Scientology making suggestions but threatening punishment if they refuse to toe the line).
OT’s – their ability to analyze a situation and apply the correct answer is gone! It got audited out with their true identity. They are some of the most pathetic humans on the planet.
Bat Shit Crazy = Bat Shit Crazy. A=A=A
If it makes sense, solves problems quickly and easily and helps people for real – it isn’t Scientology!
This is probably already well known to a lot of people on this blog, but Miscavige fits to a “T” the definition of a Vampire Personality in LRH’s PAB “On Human Behavior”.
Andreas is Class VI CS, I believe. And he hasn’t paid for that training, he was on staff in CLO LATAM when he went for training in 1994 at Flag.
Long story short, dentists don’t have to pay their college fees all over again for 6-8 years worth. You get updates, which are 3-4 classes (of your choice) for a mere pittance of the original cost of the training.
So, the analogy fails there terribly. But Andreas was always really terrible with metaphors.