Well, surprise surprise.
Though the only real shock here is that they put this in writing.
Let me get this straight. COB RTC comes up with new packaging for Objectives as a cornerstone for GAG II, and reverts it to a name canceled with an atomic branding iron by LRH. He probably finds a few OBSCURE processes and includes them in the pack. He issues a directive that he has found a new “why” that “nobody is making the grade because they never did real Objectives” and so everyone in Scientology now gets to redo (and repay) for their Objectives. It’s a perfect service too because it requires NO AUDITORS (as that was killed by GAG I). You will note the other service everyone now has to redo is Purif. Also, no auditors.
The C/Ses around the world who are now being EXPECTED to program everyone for Objectives KNOW they are committing massive Out Tech. Probably those few who have queried this have been “handled” by giving them this line that sounds oh so typically Miscavigesque “they could not be flat on their objectives because all the tech was not available before now,” never mind it’s from the 50’s and didnt seem to be missed for the decades previously, including those when LRH was around.
More evidence that GAG II is nothing but a scam to keep the faithful believing that if they just keep paying and “progressing” on the bridge they will somehow achieve spiritual salvation.
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014
From: AOSHUK <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: From: NOTs C/S AOSHUK
A recent review of many, many folders internationally revealed the fact that there wasn’t one person who didn’t need the newly released objective processes covered in the Survival Rundown. This is because this service has never existed before!
The fact is that we now have 371 Objectives, arranged in gradient sequence, some of which were completely lost technology. Many people have ‘done’ their Objectives, but none of us have done the Survival Rundown as LRH intended it.
There are processes which handle any case phenomena you can imagine, handle life ruins, crack cases, and you can co-audit as many or as much as you need or want. Alternatively they can be delivered intensively in the HGC by a Class IX auditor, and you will fly through them in no time!
LRH says, “Without Objectives, no being is likely to recover in his infinity of future.”
If you are interested in doing these services at Saint Hill please write back to me and we will help you to get your program prepared so you are ready to roll!
NOTs C/S Saint Hill
Gus Cox says
Well, what do we expect, I guess, now that the Senior Authority on Tech is a guy who got thrown off His Class IV Internship for slapping His PC? Yes, that wheezing little sailor knows it all.
Please let me know when Dear Dave gets hi 375 objective processes/Survival RD. That’s when the NOTS CS Saint Hill message will have any merit. I call your bluff.
The message from hadley last sentence should read I frankly wish more would JUST get sense and leave (not hust srry for error)
Utter disgusting promotion. I might point out the Nots CS ST Hill is full of evaluations and judgemental views and doing their own prejudgmemnt of reviewing case folders.Giving little or not much room for allowing Pre OT /OT to have a review assessment DP and own input in I frankly wish more would hust get sense and leave
Back in the early 80ies I told my Case Sup that I think I might be Clear. He ordered me a full battery of objectives. You know, this indicates for the preclear (me) that what he thinks is delusion. And I get help now to see reality. For anyone that thinks all Scientology is a scam it would have almost zero effect to indicate that “you are nuts and do not see the real world around you” as this is routine social intercourse if you address some subject not commonly agreed upon. But if you are actually clear and get such a handling then this creates what? A big ball of charge or mass. Typically around oneself. As you are not right with your view you cannot as-is it. You know another name for this procedure? Implant. He is not doing it by chance. He is not ordering it to keep the show on the road. He (and his Crew) is an implanter.
This was suppose to be a reply to Conan’s comment about objectives to make people docile.and pounded into submission.
I wouldn’t think it would be like pounding the crap out of PC’s with endless sec checking to turn them into compliant mush. At least with objectives the person receiving auditing generally pulls attention into present time and I’m sure plenty could use a purif retread based on chemicals etc. in the body. I guess the EXTREME outpoint here is that EVERYONE regardless of their previous auditing history or how recently they completed these actions are being programmed for this line up. Sounds like a DM solution (the guy is so delusional he comes up with something and his ass-kissing crew tells what a brilliant idea it is… soon it’s the new Dogma.)
Don’t ever give up hope.
Just keep on being here for them.
Love is never wasted.
As Yogi Berra once said, “It ain’t over until it’s over”.
….and we never said that it’s over.
“Large streams from little fountains flow, Tall oaks from little acorns grow.”
-D. Everett in The Columbian Orator, 1797
Espiritu, than you for the kind words and great quote.
Hallie Jane says
Yet another fine example of the death of the EP. The possibility that NO ONE, not a single person, got the EP of objectives is zero. The radical church is now in gross out tech stew mode. The examples of gross out tech are too many and compounding.
Does “NOTs C/S Saint Hill” have a name?
Did “NOTs C/S Saint Hill” learn anywhere in his tech or admin training that Scientologists when quoting LRH are supposed to at least give the exact reference being quoted? (See Les Warren’s comment in this post for a good example of how to do this.) Just writing “-LRH” does not cut it. That is called “verbal data” or VD for short.
“NOTs C/S Saint Hill”, you are hereby ordered to cramming. We realize that DM and others in Int Management have been setting bad examples in this regard, but that is no excuse. It is still your responsibility to set a good example. Please report compliance to this blog before returning to post.
“as LRH intended it.” lol, what did he write some policy before he died that says in 2013 redo objectives to make more money? hide a lecture under his bed?
Good news is this will cause more arc breaks which cause blows which results in more ex church youtubers and bloggers, give it time.
Very astute analysis, Les.
Another big step down here. Interesting that this Class IX C/S throws out this ‘LRH said……” without giving the specific reference. This could be something cherry-picked completely out of context. Who the hell
Idle Morgue says
Oy Vey – this is getting really old – “as LRH intended it” and we lost it, hid it or forgot it.
New post: LRH Interpreter.
Jose Chung says
Trick buzz words, as LRH intended, in no time, lost tech.
These are sociopathic circuts.
I just got this email. Anyone feel like joining staff?
MarcB Registrar wrote:
I work at an Org! : )
And have for around 35 years now!
I’ve never seen it brighter or funner or more exciting than right this minute!
A couple weeks ago internationally I heard there were 100 Clears made in ONE WEEK!
There are more people doing major services than any time I can remember! EVER!! Whoa!!
The staff are beautiful! (and there are a lot of them!!)
Did I mention….Clears and major services? It applies to the staff just as much as public!
There has never been a better time to put the pedal to the metal and
just get ‘er done than right this minute!!
So I’m saying…let’s DO IT!!
Let your hair down-let her rip-over the ramparts people!!!
Who do you know that needs a hand? Help get everyone you know on track and rolling right now!!: ))
We will CLEAR the freaking planet!!
Need help? : )
Just let me know!
I love helping!!
That’s why I’m here!
OT, Staff, Cool
I’m staff at LA Day. I like helping anyone-anywhere! You are listed at the org as someone one who really likes to help and really causative. But if you don’t want to get emails from me just let me know! I’ll take you off my list!
Idle Morgue says
Dear Marc – take me off your list. We no longer believe you.
Must have been written with a gun held to his head….or equivalent of major, major delusions and fear.
In addition to Dave’s Ideal Org Program, he’s got another one called Worldwide Ideal Minions Program (W. I. M. P.)
And David Miscavige had the Objective processes run as part of Gag 2 when? I really seriously doubt that he co-audited these processes like he is ordering everyone else to do.
Mike, where did you find that toothless nag?
Roy Macgregor says
JC, Mike has already answered this question a few times. I will try and fill you in.
1. DM employs full time non-scientology security guards who are paid to protect him specifically. Where-as scientology security staff have access to firearms they are kept locked up and they are not allowed to carry. The non-scientology guards who are employed to protect DM are all licensed to carry and they do carry handguns. There is no question of “palace coup”. Also DM takes his personal security very seriously. I could write a book about all the underground passages and bulletproof vehicles. The guy thinks people are out to get him – and he has hurt enough people to make it a valid concern.
2. DM is extremely sensitive to anyone who has even the tiniest flickering doubt about his godhood. There are regular interogations and anyone who has the slightest indication that they are not 100% behind him is immediately removed and placed into a kind of religious prison program, called rehabilitation. This program can take 5 or 10 years to complete and many never complete it but leave altogether. People who are allowed to interact with him personally are few and always in very controlled environments. He always travels in a large group even if just going to dinner. There are normally 12 to 15 of his most trusted people around him at all times.
3. DM is a master manipulator. He is an extremely smooth liar and very good at controlling other people and keeping them thinking they are the problem, not him. He also keeps people around him in a constant state of physical exhaustion and also they are constantly doing penance for every tiniest shortcoming. Thus people on his periphery are tired and confused and usually scared that they too will be sent for a 10 year “rehabilitation”.
You should ask why there was no “palace coup” with paranoid dictators like Saddam or Idi. It’s because these people spend a lot of their time making damned sure there wont be.
Fascinating information Roy. If I were him I’d be plenty worried. Did you ever work for or around the little man?
Oh? “…revealed the fact that there wasn’t one person who didn’t need the newly released objective processes covered in the Survival Rundown. This is because this service has never existed before!”
You mean the same Survival Rundown co-audit that was released in 1979 to update people on their objectives? The one that was around when Ron was still alive? If so, why then have “…none of us done the Survival Rundown as LRH intended it”? Who was squirreling the tech then? The same little maniac who is squirreling the tech now?
I have friends who are doing this RD now, as OTs. They are telling me about the amazing wins. Of course, if you apply ANY Scientology to people, they are going to get wins but the point is that
the org is lying about it being “New” (and digging up some processess out of the ACC to make the person feel like they are buying something new)
this is interfering with an FNing PC/Pre OT. If they are moving, let them move. If they aren’t, give them the proper correction list and do THAT handle that will actually address what has been done wrong on the case. Oh yeah, something the org did wrong might come up.
Joe Pendleton says
Ha ha ha ha ha ….. paying for a Cl 9 to deliver more objectives …. ha ha ha ha ….. what was the saying? … a fool and his money are soon parted? ….. is there any limit to the gullibility of your regular online Scientologist nowadays? ….. BUT …. I may be the only one who posts here who thinks there may BE something to this idea of needing more objectives …. LRH says without enough of these, you don’t have a very bright infinity of future ….. and from what I can see, most OTs onlines are FUCKED UP (including 7s and 8s) so maybe 300 more objectives will get these folks into the vicinity of present time …. but the time and money involved! ,,,, one COULD just use the money and go on holiday to Italy ….
YES! I’d rather touch walls and things in Italy. I could remedy my havingness with plates of Italian pasta and canoli. Yeah, dat’s de ticket!
gato rojo says
Aq, you are right on the money here.
There is also that last bit of showing how tough you are to put up with all the things you already hate about your existence on staff, in the SO or as a beaten up public person. “Look at what I can tough out for the cause–and those guys just friggin’ blew! What wimps! I’M still here!” Just an expansion of your needing to be right comment.
When I realized I was being that stupid I split. Hopefully this comment added to your spot-on summary can help penetrate some thick skulls.
Yes, there is NO WIN POSSIBLE for anyone who is still in, at any level of public or administration. They should go back out into the world and apply that same toughness to putting a new life back together!
Cooper Kessel says
They had to review many, many folders, internationally, no less, to figure out that someone needs to take a “brand-new”, required course? That’s just…
Don’t why but my last post vanished.
But anyway no matter.
I wonder where they got this number of 375 objective processes from?
Having studied all levels of Scientology available to the public I can’t say I counted them but then 375 would have been an impressive number not to notice and personally I don’t think there is more than a few dozen maybe less in general use in what is considered Standard Tech.
Though Ron jokingly refers to reverse processes for use on Psychiatrists and such.
Then again there were probably dozens of processes that were tested based on the recommendations of others which were likely considered unworkable or worse detrimental that were probably abandoned with the exception “Please Pass the Object” which appears in COHA. Something that Ron mentions in Keeping Scientology Working.
So I’m really in a mystery where this number came from.
Also another thing is that objectives are only used on cases according to the New Grade Chart Streamlined on cases who’s OCA is below the center line or on druggies.
Sure objectives are run as part of Grade I but there is less than a dozen of them on the Process Sheet maybe one or two on each other lower Grade.
Maybe if you include Havingness and Confront Processes you might get over 100. But technically these are not really objective processes per se so go figure.
Though I do recommend one objective process for those are still in and for the organization as a whole and that is the one run as part of the Confusion Formula.
Is it my imagine, or does Davey keep moving the goalposts? No one survives without the (never before released) survival rundown. What about all those Clears and OT8s? What about the Super Powers building? What happened to simply reading Dianetics? Where is Davey going to move the goalposts next?
yesterday i made a post about scientologists not knowing what the church believes, today it seems apropos to point out the church itself doesn’t even know what it believes.
so whatever they’ve been delivering for the past 60 years, it’s not been the correct tech?
is there any other way to understand the message?
“yesterday i was lying to you, today i am telling you the truth”- Bob Arum
pointing out the fraud is like shooting fish in a barrel, they even highlight it themselves. they make it part of their sale’s pitch. we sold you bogus tech yesterday so you need to get the good tech today.
if you call them on it, i imagine they’d say things like ” you’re stuck in the past, leave that where it is, come up to present time, right here right now we have the tech and it’s right! that’s what matters! not having considerations on the past, not being stuck on your track” it’s your future that matters, not the past.
in others words forget whether we duped you or not, it doesn’t matter so there’s no point in talking about it, what does matter is you can finally get the tech to work for you. it can all finally pay off. don’t you want that? it’s right there for you, don’t be so namby pamby about it, nattering on and on about shit that doesn’t matter, grow a pair and go for it, it;s right here for you! stop being a faggot you fucking faggot!
am i off base?
does the wog world sound any more crazy than that?
if enlightenment means being around people like that, it can’t be enlightenment. that can’t be what sanity is.
Dave’s got me on a roll.
Promises roll off your tongue
Too good to believe
Like a preacher at the altar
Got the faithful on their knees
See beneath the surface
Read between the lines
A heavy dose of bullshit
To fool so many minds
Another day another dollar
Too much dirt beneath your collar
I can’t hear the music
It’s all a great big bore
Same old empty message
Like true love from a whore
Grabbing all the power
To thoroughly abuse it
Big talk, little action
I can’t hear the music
Almost had me taken
The clever lies you told
Fell for all the pyrite
Thought it was pure gold
Figured out your angle
Your brand has left its mark
You may have reached my ears
But never touched my heart
Got the script, the words, the patter
But what you say just doesn’t matter
Twisted truth and empty buildings
Living with your looted millions
Hallie Jane says
Great job Mj! Like true love from a whore indeed.
Wow, if I had written that letter I would not be signing my name to it either. Smart play, NOTs C/S St. Hill.
I was told that I could redo my objectives at a mission or org–delivered auditing. But first I need to redo my purif. I was told that every SRD program is customized to the individual but no evidence of this yet.
There is one question regarding CoS that I do not understand. Haven’t there been any attempts in the past to remove DM as COB in a “palace coup” ? Who controls the security guards at HQ in Hemet ? Where do they get there orders from ? From OSA ? OSA is one of the most powerful units in the CoS. Wouldn’t it be at least theoretically possible to remove DM by OSA ?
I mean Mike you were head of OSA at one time. Couldn’t you in that position order the security guards in HQ to “arrest” DM and detain him somewhere in the compound ?
In one of your last entries here you showed some photos of DMs office. I assume that they were smuggled out of HQ some time ago. Through this I assume that there are at the moment people working at HQ with direct access to DM who despite being indoctrinated for years still can think somehow clear. Isn’t there at least a possibility that some of these people could try to remove DM as COB in the near future ?
Mike Rinder says
Why not ?
“…Check Book and full Bottle of Scotch”. Good one!
Op Pro for Dupes.
Natural Philosopher says
LRH’s response to the buffalo being hunted by the indian was ‘Bufflalo – Buffalo Chips!’ So if this ‘Survival Rundown was such shit, why is Davie re-instating it? It is not to re-instate someone to full control of their own life, but rather so the organization can control its public by herding them onto unnecessary services.
“This is because this service has never existed before!” OK, lets see, the service never existed before. And Ron says “If it isn’t written it isn’t true”. So anyone who is still in…figure this one out. Also Ron says “There is no hidden data line”, so put it all together and FIGURE IT OUT!
Maybe they should replace Book and Bottle with Check Book and full Bottle of Scotch. At least the PCs would get something out of the process.
They could attest to, really drunk, oriented in Miscarriages Universe, and stuck in Davids past.
What leaps out at me is Mike’s pointing out how no auditors are required for the Bridge actions now being heavily pushed.
I have to hand it to Him: Miscavige is milking the cult in whatever way He can with the resources he has left, which don’t include auditors -while, at the same time making a show of wanting/needing auditors, covering Himself this way, by pushing His squirrel GAT II and costly new Emeters.
When it all folds, implodes or fades away, it will be the staffs’ and publics’ fault, not His.
So very sad.
I really, really, really want these Still-In staff, SO and public to get exhausted, disgusted, disillusioned, broke, ARC-broken, fail-purposed, or WHATEVER it will take for them to give up and withdraw and/or get out, as fast as possible.
Not because I wish bad conditions per se on these good people, but because I KNOW that in order to leave the CoS things have to get as bad as they can possibly get beforehand. Each needs to be tested to their own personal max, so that he or she says, “Ok, this is it. Enough, no more, I’m out of here”.
Now, if they could or would just cognite without further abuse or suffering, if they would or could cognite on their own inability or unwillingness to LOOK, that would be the Ideal Scene. Because then they would LOOK and, forget it, they’d be out so fast… But, optimist that I am, as re this issue I am pessimistic. Habit is strong, ties are strong, and they don’t want to give up or “let the group down”, and mostly, they want to keep on keeping on with making themselves “right”.
So, the faster they start to really suffer NOW, is the faster they’ll leave. And if this sounds cruel, and it kind of is, remember, there is NO WIN POSSIBLE for these people. The end of the line is only loss for them on every dynamic, so the sooner they confront it, via whatever discomfort does the trick, the better for them.
I’m with you on that Aquamarine! Well said.
I also agree with you on this, Aquamarine . I call it “tough love”.
The faster they get it over with, the less overall damage.
As I see it, it is often a matter of a PTS-situation. These people inside the CofS are in a difficult situation. Being in a group which has left Scientology, however pretends to represent it, in a group that engages strongly in control mechanisms of group-thinking, of the group-moral-middle-class-PTSness-type seems to leave personal address as my preferred way of apporoach. Methods to make a person look are not necessarily rote. Find the suppression that led this person to adopt this way of not looking or accepting or agreeing with obvious out-points. Find what happened just before this person adopted a solution of a non-looking blind faith. Help them up.
Most of the independents have been in this group before. When I help a person up, I am on his side and this reduces the chances for a fight. And once this person starts to look, he is about to find out where he is.
Many of them I consider as future independents, some with a somewhat extended comm lag.
The group auditing of whisteblowers is helping largely in this direction. It increases understanding.
Good point, McCarran. And to encourage people to pay for professional Objs so that they “don’t have to audit another” is a complete turn around from what LRH wrote. He said that training is at least half the gains on the Bridge and encouraged coaudits. Having to be responsible for another when you coaudit does wonders for your own case gain. Back in the day coaudits were enocuraged for that very reason, and I personally had great wins auditing others, sometimes even more than my own wins receiving it. This is all part of Black Dianetics being run on church members to cave them in and get all their money.
Yea, Cindy, that sentence you quoted hit me the same way. Although, I had a friend (disconnected) who told me he had NO desire to do Objectives again and then went on to say that he’s going to just pay to do it in the HGC to get it over and done with and not have to audit them on another. How many outpoints can you spot there?
uh oh! I smell a stinky – evil intention!
Chris Shelton aka Galactic Patrol says
PJ, if you have first-hand information on GAT II changes on tech lines, please email me asap. I have some very burning questions about a couple of things I need to know. Thank you! My email is email@example.com.
Idle Morgue says
Translated the e-mail states: It is a new CCHR and goes like this – “Put your bank account up to against our Off Shore Accounts about 2 mm away and contribute to the motion”
It is how the cash cow operates.
$elling $piritual $ervices over and over and over….It makes a lot of $$$
No, no. Your comment is awaiting litigation.
Wait a minute. If OTs of any class are allowed to co-audit the SRD, why do they need a Class IX to get them in the HGC? Logically, anyone should be able to pay Class V rates and get them anywhere. Wonder if any still-ins have asked that question when they get regged.
Sonnet for Dave:
Shall I compare thee to Attila the Hun?
Thou art more treacherous and more ruthless.
Rough thugs do shake upholders of the tech,
But freedom’s call will never go away.
Sometime too loud the mouth of Davey brays,
And soon his golden age will be unhinged;
For every dictator declines,
By force, or nature’s changing course untrimmed;
Thy tyrant’s ruling soon shall fade,
And lose possession of those funds thou stealest,
And death will brag thou wand’rest in his shade,
When from the mighty blows your head will reelest
So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this puts end to thee.
Odd Thomas says
A suitable epitaph MJ. Perhaps you can convince Davy to have this inscribed on the Great Obelisk that he’ll have erected just outside his tomb. Rumor has it, he purchased some real estate right next to Khufu’s little tomb in Giza.
“…and you can co-audit as many or as much as you need or want. Alternatively they can be delivered intensively in the HGC by a Class IX auditor, and you will fly through them in no time!” OMG how many outpoints can you spot in those two sentences?
So now the PC decides when he is EPed or not, so no need for CSes. The PC decides as much as he needs or wants. OR you can pay through the nose, Class IX rates, to have a Class IX do what an HQS student who has not done the Grades can do and do it for free. Gee, let’s see which I’d rather do? Pay a ton of money or not? And bragging as to speed of delivery “fly through in no time” with a Class IX auditor is not only Out KSW and against policy, but it is a thinly veiled invalidation of all other auditors except the Flag ones who are the “only- ones of tech perfection.” If it takes so many hours to touch a book and bottle and thus get through the specific case that handles, what makes them think Flag will get them through any faster than any other auditor? It’s a lie to swindle money out of you to pay Class IX rates.
And since they are not using CSes anymore because COB is now the CS and as said “everyone” needs these new super Grades, what are the existing CSes to do? Since there is no twiddling of thumbs in the Cof$, my guess is the CSes will be put on regging just like all other posts have been. It is one big reg and dono fest.
Cooper Kessel says
Cooper Kessel says
This belongs below Lurkers question above.
David Miscavige says,
“Without Objectives, no being is likely to be docile and compliant in his infinity of future.”
“The fact is that we now have 371 Objectives, arranged in gradient sequence, to pound you into complete submission”
The message is: “Everything you gained, learned and won was a lie. A half-finished process that you spent good money and time on that you need to pay us AGAIN and do it right this time, you false-attestor.”
I am grateful that I have not spent 30 years in this lie. I know enough about it to truly enjoy the thrashing death of this monster and pity the poor souls still in.
“The C/Ses around the world who are now being EXPECTED to program everyone for Objectives KNOW they are committing massive Out Tech.” Spot on Mike and I’d like to add that I’m now assigning a condition of TREASON to ALL C/Ses and Auditor’s out there following through with this horror and not having the balls to query.
Another abomination is everyone back on Purif. Whatever happened to ‘anyone in the NON-INTERFENCE Zone’ are NOT, repeat NOT to do a Purif action or any Dianetics action for that matter. To anyone on the fence lurking here, I say to you, REFUSE REFUSE to route onto your Purif if you’re in the non-interference zone. Actually, to anyone who has completed the Purif, refuse to redo. Actually, you know what, to you lurkers – RUN, RUN FOR THE HILLS.
Yes lurkers, run for the hills! If you take too much niacin it can be harmful. And if you already EPed the Purif you don’t need to re do it again.
Andrew McGowan says
I thought objectives had the EP of “oriented in the present time off the physical universe.
It now seems that EP is “overrun till you are in complete apathy and hand over all your wordly possessions and a minimum of your first born child.”
That’s right. Total obedience
Unfortunately I wised up too late. They got all my money and my first and second born child.
What is the impact on Narconon? Did they get the full results without GATII? Narconon is not a religion. They need a product, otherwise it is fraud. If the cult says that Narconon did not have the right technology and therefore did not deliver a working product, then they have to refund the money.Isn’t that the logical conclusion? Narconon is not a religion. They sell products and have to deliver. This has nothing to do with the success rate fraud. Doesn’t Miscavige say that Narconon did not work without GAT II?
If I buy a car and it has no engine, then this is considered fraud.
Narconon is not part of Scientology, unless it succeeds. Then it is part of Scientology.
Mike Rinder says
🙂 true dat
Your are right, I am also declared ..
Tony DePhillips says
Hey wait!! The cobster hasn’t told us who the big bad SP’s are that unmocked the objectives!! Somebody’s head has to roll doesn’t it?? Little cob I sure am glad that I don’t buy your bullshit anymore.
I wonder how many people will write back to him?
He will help get a program prepared?
Does that mean you have to do set-up’s to start
the objectives? More $ in the coffers there.
How many thousands of words has LRH
spoken and written on objectives and this
C/S comes up with one sentence that obviously is intended
to scare and make one worry over their future?
Yet another C/S selling his technical soul to Miscavige.
I could be wrong, this could be a Miscavige trained C/S.
In that case….even sadder.
re: This is because this service has never existed before!”
Here is an idea. Go back to the first LRH datum that seemed useful to you.
Apply it fully to all aspects of your life.
If it changed your life for the better, great. Now your life has changed, so look it over and apply that same datum again fully to all aspects of your life as it is now.
If you are doing better for it. Apply this datum on a continuous basis.
If it didn’t change your life for the better, walk straight into your local Org and raise as much hell as you can, because you bought something that didn’t work. Refuse to buy something different, or redo, or repay. Just calmly demand the results that were promised.
they will probably kick you out, and if they do you will have learned something about the present day church of scientology.
They aren’t doing their job.
And they don’t care how you are doing.
Roger From Switzerland Thought says
Very funny !
Around 1982 the surviaval Rundown was canceled as it wasn’t developped by LRH but Mayo. Or is my memory playing games with me ? This is all totally confused !
Why did the SRD disappear in the eighties ?
Rory Medford says
Stinkyology is a scam from top to bottom!!
Cooper J Kessel says
Dammit, where do I sign up?
This must be the why behind my never making the grade and falling into the abyss of becoming a flaming SP and all that. Ok, since it is your fault that you didn’t have the correct tech then it also must be your fault so many good cultites have gone by the way and turned into bitter defrocked apostates. So what are you doing about it? How come you guys all sitting around and waiting for Chairman of the Bored to figure this shit out for you and then you run around like dogs in heat parroting what you are told to parrot?
And if you now know the why behind all of the failed cases, how come you have made zero effort to contact all of us out here and communicate the problem. I mean are you guys really trying to clear this planet or are you waiting around for the COB to do it for you? Get into action for christs sake and quit sniveling about all of the apostates………………..I mean you created them so fix it! Or go ask the Chief of Boredom what to do.
I know, Copper. I think I’m ready to get back in comm. and do this program; so I’m not an SP any more.
Hallie Jane says
I’m so proud of you for being flaming Coop. I’ll aspire to that
Sir Upticious says
Lil Davie has it figured out. It is the basic why.
Why, after 60 years there are still no clears that resemble what was promised in DMSMH.
Why, after 60 years there are no beings exhibiting any OT abilities.
Why the vast majority of people have left or been declared, starting with a long list of people who were personally trained and groomed by LRH himself.
It was a huge missed gradient. The reason Scientology failed is out objectives. (And if you believe that I have this wonderful property in Florida that you might be interested in.)
You mean The Super Power Bldg, Sir Upticious?
Forever Lurker says
Why not bring up on stage and showcase one of the original “objectives completions” that LRH himself audited or at least personally CSed to full EP back in the day. The ideal model, in other words, of what we’re trying to replicate now. That way we could see what one looks like and sounds like. Interview or show one, please.
Oh, . . . everyone from that era has long been declared? Sorry, I forgot.
“If you can communicate to somebody, or with somebody, and get that
person to answer your questions, even somewhat laboriously, and so
forth, you have no business using the CCHs. That’s about what that
amounts to. And the CCHs can be categorized in that fashion now only
because we can get rid of hidden standards. …
…Now in view of the fact that we have Problems Intensives, you can
relegate the CCHs back to where they came from, which is processing in
the absence of verbal communication… you can process somebody you
can’t talk with. And that’s where the CCHs belong. Well, therefore,
they are important.”
LRH lecture VALENCES, CIRCUITS 18 October 1961.
So what exactly is going on here? Simple really. Miscavige has a “hidden standard.”
He believes that anyone doing the bridge who is not obedient has not really made the grade.
Since no public person is totally obedient, they obviously haven’t made the grade. Therefore it is perfectly logical to put them back on objectives.
This is scientology today. David Miscavige’s sociopathic circuits are C/Sing everyone’s case.
Very good! You nailed it, Les.
Cooper Kessel says
“you can relegate the CCHs back to where they came from, which is processing in
the absence of verbal communication… you can process somebody you
can’t talk with. And that’s where the CCHs belong. Well, therefore,
they are important.”
Looks like this may be the only process that will work with the cult as it is impossible to ‘talk’ with them. Let’s see…………..”Walk over to that desk. Pick up that pile of SP Delares. Put those SP Declares where the sun does not shine.” repetitive to EP! Nothing a couple thousand hours wouldn’t handle with most of the MAAs. It will take much more for the exec strata! OSA may not be able to EP in a lifetime….just sayin it will take many hours to find a light at the end of that tunnel!
Dear Copper Kessel,
please don’t forget to acknowledge appropriatelly and to be in high ARC with the Being(s) in front of one!
Since scientology is so good with numbers, how many is many many folders?
The ‘new grade processes’ are Quickie and Squirrel.
No help processes on grade 1, ARC SW processes on grade II,
processes in wrong sequence etc. etc.
It is a Miscarriage Moron Product (MMP).
PJ , greetings.
Where did you get that data ?
It is important others know.
From: Handbook in Grade Processes (GAT II release 2013).