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The Pinnacle of Scientology Accomplishment

September 29, 2019 By Mike Rinder 61 Comments

OT VIII is the end of scientology. The ultimate attainment of “spiritual freedom” and cause over Matter, Energy, Space and Time.

This is what scientology proudly presents to the world to convince everyone to give them money to also experience what this individual has achieved…

It starts with a description of this being “So simple”…

And then claimed his/her success stories caused the supervisors to experience his/her universe explosions too…

But “alas there is an EP”(?) and he/she knew it because he/she started to cry (?). All thanks to COB — from one poet to another this is for you.

This is one of the least inspiring and enticing things I have read…

But inside the bubble this is seen as being worth sending out to everyone to convince them they should part with more cash.

It tells you what a sorry state these people are in. And how desperate scientology has become. And how few forced “success stories” they have to choose from these days.

 

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Filed Under: Scientology Tagged With: Freewinds, OT VIII, Success Story

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  1. Robert King says

    October 1, 2019 at 3:09 am

    If Hubbard’s material is so perfect and mapped out then what do we not see so many of his courses or various tapes any more? What happened to the “exterior ” tapes which where so many of them?
    What a scam.

    Reply
  2. Zola says

    September 30, 2019 at 8:12 am

    “…the setups were miraculous and very complete.”
    I believe you H.W., you were totally set up.

    Reply
  3. David Bates says

    September 30, 2019 at 1:35 am

    This man had the same expierence with ARC that I had. Came thru the door to fix an electrical plug-in. They said power was off. What an ARC moment. Exteriorized myself across the room. We use 220V down here. Truly worth not paying an electrician. My thanks to all involved, still fingers to tingling to write each persons initials. Hip hip-damn that hurt.

    Reply
  4. Rosemarie says

    September 29, 2019 at 11:14 pm

    The success story line is ridiculous to me. If one HAS to write that before you’re allowed to go home and it better be “glowing” how authentic can it be? If you don’t write a glowing success story all he’ll breaks loose. Every one gets in trouble and you certainly can’t leave. It’s a constant but subtle threat causing one to say the most expansive chest pounding hyperbole possible. Later it’s all back to the grind of pay pay pay. . Lol

    Reply
  5. Overun in California says

    September 29, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    Yep, finished OT 8. Now I can exteriorize with full perception, (sure, hold anything you want behind your back, I’ll tell you what it is). I remember most of my past lives, who I was, years etc. I can also verify this with locations, and dates of headstones, (where there was one). And, of course, since I’m at the top of the bridge, for some time now I’ve been a cleared theta clear. So if you want, just ask me and I’ll create any illusion you wish that will be fully visible to you and your friends. And knocking off a hats at 50 yards? Hell I can do that in another city.

    ………”Whew, what a dream. Now I gotta go to that damn O.T. committee meeting. Where’s my Advil, I’ve got a fuckin headache. And where the hell are my keys? I think I’m going to cry.”

    Reply
    • Francis Khoury says

      September 30, 2019 at 7:41 am

      Nice one, Overun in CA! Back to reality, ha ha!

      Reply
  6. BKmole says

    September 29, 2019 at 7:50 pm

    Mike, wasn’t this released on Thur?

    Reply
  7. Wynski says

    September 29, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    The ONE OT level Hubtard gave the EP for to the general public and is thus one you can ask an OT 8 about. The EP is; No longer having amnesia of one’s “whole track”. In scamology the whole track is a beings moment to moment existence from first entrance to the physical universe ’till now.

    I asked the first completion if he could now recall his whole track and he literally started looking over his shoulders and quickly said that he had an appointment and ran off.

    Reply
    • George M White says

      September 29, 2019 at 9:54 pm

      No longer having amnesia on the whole track was not a major requirement for completion of OT VIII on the Freewinds in 1988. It was assumed that after you got rid of your implants you had “Truth Revealed”.
      Most OT VIII’s that I discussed this with said essentially the same thing. Hubbard meant that you could take a meter at any time and not be obstructed by implants. We got around that stupid one.

      Reply
      • Wynski says

        September 30, 2019 at 11:11 am

        No George. Hubtard was NOT talking about implants and using the emeter. He was stating the EP. Hubtard ,meant what he said. Do you remember what exactly he said the e.p. was?

        Reply
      • Aquamarine says

        September 30, 2019 at 2:55 pm

        Here’s what I don’t get:

        Why would anyone want to have Whole Track Recall ANYWAY? Even if one DID get this ability, why would it be beneficial to most people?

        Oh, it might be a kick for a while to know that one was Martin Luther’s daughter or Nell Gwynn’s footman or an usherette at the Roman Coliseum back in the day. An endless supply of amusing and interesting true stories at parties, certainly.

        But in the end , when all is said and done – who gives a shit?

        Its the PAST, after all.

        I mean. we only have NOW. The past was once NOW, the present will become NOW. Now is all we have.

        So I can recall the date and time and details of everything I’ve ever done in every lifetime. So YOU can recall the date and time and details of everything YOU’VE ever done in every lifetime. We can ALL do this. Big deal! It would make for some interesting conversations.

        But after a while – so what? Big yawn. What can we do NOW? What are we doing now? That’s the ticket. End of rant.

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        • Wynski says

          September 30, 2019 at 6:26 pm

          Aqua, according to Hubtard teachings the PAST you lived was a wildly high tech space opera. Who wouldn’t want to know how to build fusion reactors, interstellar space ships, food replicators, et al?

          Reply
          • Aquamarine says

            September 30, 2019 at 9:06 pm

            “Who wouldn’t want to know how to build fusion reactors, interstellar space ships, food replicators, et al?”

            Um…me.

            And now I know why I have Whole Track Amnesia.

            And why I think I’ll hold onto it.

            Now, as fascinating as all of this is, you’ll have to excuse me, Wynski. I want to take a bubble bath and my scarf drawer needs rearranging.

            Reply
            • Wynski says

              October 1, 2019 at 10:02 am

              Personally I’d like the technology to save the planet from destruction. And humanity from CERTAIN destruction. But, that’s me. 😉

              Reply
    • Aquamarine says

      September 30, 2019 at 12:24 am

      🙂 Wynski. Wholee track recall, huh? He probably wouldn’t even remember what he had for breakfast the day before.

      Reply
      • Aquamarine says

        September 30, 2019 at 12:25 am

        Edit: “Whole”, not Wholee 🙂

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        • Peggy L says

          September 30, 2019 at 10:27 am

          LOL Aqumarine, I thought you were just playing with the spelling and to me it was like Robin saying to Batman “holy track recall Batman!”

          Reply
          • Aquamarine says

            September 30, 2019 at 2:11 pm

            Ha ha! No that was just my impulsiveness to send off what I’ve just banged out without looking it over for typos and grammar.

            Reply
      • Wynski says

        September 30, 2019 at 11:13 am

        Right Aqua. He couldn’t even remember getting married, having a wife and kids this lifetime. A TOTAL loser.

        Reply
        • Aquamarine says

          September 30, 2019 at 2:14 pm

          That’s possible, Wyn, but in this instance I rather suspect he remembered all too well about Sara and Alexis and was employing some of his Lie Tech 🙂

          Reply
    • KatherineINCali says

      September 30, 2019 at 12:17 pm

      That’s frickin’ hilarious! I can just picture that guy running off so he wouldn’t have to deal with the reality of NOT attaining the EP! 😂

      Reply
  8. jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

    September 29, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    COB, a POET? Thanks for the giggle, H.W.

    Reply
    • unelectedfloofgoofer says

      September 30, 2019 at 1:15 am

      Maybe he’s a Beat Poet?

      Reply
      • Komodo Dragon says

        September 30, 2019 at 6:11 pm

        I think he is a Beating poet.

        Reply
  9. jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

    September 29, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    The many “handlings”: Trips to the MAA and Reg; and he/she found them ENJOYABLE!? How masochistic can you get —above and beyond mocking up, then destroying BT after BT, an exercise in schizophrenia, itself. I guess they were just SO happy when Tubby said, “SURPRISE! You created them all yourself — AGAIN.”

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  10. Marie guerin says

    September 29, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    I know the person who wrote this success story . For sure.
    It is a crying shame . For sure.
    He lost so much for an elusive high .
    At least he is done . He is home safe like Mary said.

    Reply
    • Cindy says

      September 30, 2019 at 1:25 pm

      HI Marie Guerin, Who wrote the success story? I’d love to know.

      Reply
  11. Elizabeth R Ragsdale says

    September 29, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    Forget the buzzword vagueness – how the hell can you possibly define that word salad as a poem?

    Reply
  12. Bruce Holt says

    September 29, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    As a former Mormon and having experienced word redefinition as part of being Mormon, I still ask, “WTF? Is this English???”

    Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 29, 2019 at 6:39 pm

      No, Bruce, it’s finally ceased to be English; it’s the corrupt dialect of it called “scientologese”, which doesn’t make real sense to ANYONE beyond, “I feel GOOD!” Trying to extract anything more than that is a fantastical exercise in imagining woo, woo, with no connection to the real world to speak of. Truly, it is beyond words. Just “grok” it.

      Reply
      • Bruce Holt says

        September 29, 2019 at 7:57 pm

        👍😁

        Reply
    • Imaberrated says

      September 29, 2019 at 7:40 pm

      “Supping” is a faux pas. It means “eating”. I don’t know how many times I corrected people that, phonetically, it’s “suping”.

      Scientologists are pretty lazy speakers too. They’ll always use an abbreviation if they can, making it even harder to understand for outsiders.

      Reply
  13. Tom Ufer says

    September 29, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    I know I am “just me” and I don’t have to spend my life savings to realize that!

    Reply
  14. Giorgos says

    September 29, 2019 at 1:55 pm

    No credit to LRH?

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 29, 2019 at 5:21 pm

      No!!’ He was due back years ago!!! He’s probably in a bar on Target 2 checking out the girls who have 3 boobs. And he’s probably drunk.

      Reply
    • Tom Provenzano says

      September 29, 2019 at 7:02 pm

      Good catch. It’s just COB and RTC now!

      Reply
  15. Mary Kahn says

    September 29, 2019 at 1:49 pm

    Oh man. His universe started to expand and he is himself and this started after he attested.

    I felt the same way after I attested. I knew I was soon to go home. I knew I never had to hold the cans again for any more onerous and abusive sec checking. I never had to go to an MAA who would tell me what “condition my condition was in.” I never again had to prove I was worthy to be a scientologist. I was DONE.
    I WAS HAPPY.

    I was home.

    I continue to expand. I am more myself than I have ever been. I had to get out for this to happen.

    Reply
    • FPjr says

      September 29, 2019 at 3:26 pm

      Mary,

      That is the best success story I have read in a long time. Congratulations.

      Reply
    • Pam says

      September 29, 2019 at 5:44 pm

      Mary Kahn, we are so glad you are out and able to tell your story. Thank you for being so brave, as well as the others who escaped!

      Reply
    • Aquamarine says

      September 30, 2019 at 12:28 am

      I like your Success Story, Mary. And I know you’d like others to experience similar gains 🙂

      Reply
  16. Alan Naldrett says

    September 29, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    If only 1/10 of this was true!

    Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 29, 2019 at 6:44 pm

      Alan, if ANY of it were ‘true’, I wouldn’t be out here, enjoying a REAL life, with all my dynamics finally in balance.

      Reply
      • Aquamarine says

        September 30, 2019 at 12:32 am

        I wanna hear this OT 8’s 2nd Success Story, after the credit card bills come in. I wanna hear if his universe is still expanding.

        Reply
        • Komodo Dragon says

          September 30, 2019 at 6:20 pm

          i want to hear the success story he/she comes up with when tiny fists tells him he has to re-do the purif and the other entry level shit.

          Reply
  17. Linear13 says

    September 29, 2019 at 1:07 pm

    Uh oh no thanks to LRH…they’re going to have to pay (literally) for that.

    Reply
  18. Old Surfer Dude says

    September 29, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    I remember watching an OT8 giving his speech. He was frowning. This was on the Freeshit.

    Reply
  19. SILVIA says

    September 29, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    Again? How many Supervisors you need to handle ONE student? Looks like the Sups have no other students in any of the ship’s course rooms.

    Expanding? Yeah, right!

    Reply
  20. Cat W. says

    September 29, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    This is your brain on drugs.

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 29, 2019 at 5:25 pm

      My brain was on drugs once. Gave me one hellava headache.

      Reply
  21. George M White says

    September 29, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    Scientology here degrades itself into pure subjectivity. This person is obviously very rich with nothing better to do with all that money.

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 29, 2019 at 5:28 pm

      If he does nothing, let’s burn his money! He can always print more.

      Reply
  22. Gordon Weir says

    September 29, 2019 at 11:54 am

    This testimonial is nothing but a bunch of jumbo jumbo using $ci jargon. There is not a single tangible “win” I cried. You will be crying down the road too when you come to the realisation that you are still the same person and you look at all the money you wasted.

    Reply
  23. John McMaster says

    September 29, 2019 at 11:54 am

    Back when New OT VIII was released over 30 years ago, about 1200 people did it. This provided a group of people who could be observed, in order to discern the true value of this ultimate level of Bridge perfection. Did these people live longer lives? No, they actually seemed to be dropping like flies. Let that sink in. When people are in their later years with lots of life experience, they generally have the ability to make more money per year. An extra 10 years of life and vitality could provide huge extra income. What happened with the New OT VIII completions seemed to be the opposite of that.

    Besides that, we might have expected an expansion of Scientology with so much free theta released, and these fresh New OT VIII completions going on to found new successful organizations. Instead, the number of active Scientologists is at the lowest level ever.

    Thirty years later, New OT VIII is still being promoted as something that we can clearly see it is not. In the words of Groucho Marx, “Who are you going to believe? Me, or your lying eyes?”

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    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 29, 2019 at 6:47 pm

      Good information, John, even though it’s anecdotal. then again, the cult’s shrunk enough that even one story becomes representative of the whole.

      Reply
    • George M White says

      September 29, 2019 at 9:12 pm

      I completed OT VIII in 1988. You are probably correct for the majority. In my own particular situation, I lost about 15 points of IQ after OTVIII. I was fired from a great WOG job in 1989 the year I left Scientology. However, I have recently been making more money so that part does not hold for me.
      Most of my OT VIII friends have passed but I am relatively healthy at 73 1/2.

      Reply
  24. Brian says

    September 29, 2019 at 11:42 am

    The “tears of joy” alternate interpretation:

    I will not have to spend more money on OT make believe

    Reply
  25. Glenn says

    September 29, 2019 at 11:24 am

    What? No thanks to LRH? How was this suckess story ever accepted? Oh, I guess it fit all the other required parameters; vagueness, hype, non specificity, palaver, gleeful ecstasy, etc. etc, etc. Oh too familiar in this cult.

    Reply
    • Mary W. says

      September 29, 2019 at 6:00 pm

      Besides, the can charge more when they have to call you back in…

      Reply
    • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

      September 29, 2019 at 6:52 pm

      of COURSE no thanks to LRH. DM is now the “source” of all goodness. Tubby was a has-been or ne’er-been forgotten in the annals of official scn, just like his many wives who were non-persons during his life.

      Reply
      • jere lull ( 39 years recovering) says

        September 29, 2019 at 6:55 pm

        Heck, he couldn’t be bothered to remember wife #1 as he married #2 bigomously.

        Reply
  26. Badafuco says

    September 29, 2019 at 10:53 am

    “I am just me”

    Yep, that’s who you’ve been all along. You mocked up everything else along the way only to get this far, spending that much cash, only to realize that you are just you.
    You could have paid me to tell you that.

    Reply

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