Valley Ideal Org and its empty parking lot
Remember when they used to issue these commendations BEFORE the “Ideal Org” opened and publish their “OTC Minutes” listing the attendees? They don’t do that any more because they were embarrassed about them repeatedly being leaked and appearing on this blog. Ah, for the good old days…
And remember the 10X expansion that is guaranteed when an org has its ribbon yanked by the only True Leader, David Miscavige?
Well, Valley has just announced their progress towards achieving 10X.
They now have 30 active OTC members.
But wait a second. It seems Valley (unlike every other org on earth according to True Leader) is NOT living up to expectations. How we do we know?
Here is one of the lists of OT Committee members attending the weekly meeting in 2015 (you can guarantee every one of these was counted as “active” because they actually showed up at the org):
Kathy Welch, Mary Elizabeth Glosup, Mary Lee Krackow, Diane Temps, Karen Brown, Mark Anderson, David Wilson, Tony Lonstein, Sharon Lonstein, Avi Lonstein, Jennifer Charm-Jacobson, Steve Jacobson, Ralph Temps, Hagit Ron, Vered Ziv, Avner Golan, Bob Welch, Kathie Heard, Dean Glosup, Bob Brooks, Linda Massey, John Massey, Alan Gilbertson, Dali Bahat, Ofra Bahat, Heelah Cohen, Lauren Perreau, Chuck Jacobs, Bobbi Kassowitz, Marty Kassowitz, Jill Kirsch, Charlene Thorburn, Mary Walsh, Colleen Bigler, Kathy DiGalbo, Terry Morrill, Rochelle Goodrich, Larry Marshall, David Nunez, Mary Nunez, Jose Salas, Patty Salas, Sue Kattoo
That was 43 people. They have shrunk by nearly 33%.
What the hell is going on with THE most important and largest Class V Ideal Org on earth? Servicing the area with more scientologists than anywhere on the planet. In an “ideal” location on a busy avenue near a subway and bus station, plenty of restaurants and other attractions.
AND they have perfect tech thanks to True Leader. AND the only workable administrative tech on earth to guarantee expansion. AND they have a 24 hour a day propaganda TV station. AND they have a massive promotion printing plant. AND they have a scientology TV studio right there in the same locale. AND they have international scientology management and Bridge Publications and Author Services and an Advanced Org and a Celebrity Center and a St Hill just 15 minutes away.
This is the perfect storm of “idealiness” and it’s failing.
What more do you need to know about the “ideal org” program?
I just found out one of those names is the sister of a good friend of mine. I find it funny that he never mentioned to me that his sister is scino. Maybe he doesn’t want her to tell him to disconnect from me.
Where have you gone, Hagit Ron … The OT Comm turns its lonely eyes to you – woo woo woo … What’s that you say, Mrs. Feshbach … Hagit Ron has left and gone away – hey hey hey …
đ Joe P.
Coo coo ka choo, David Mscavige, Thursday 2PM the stats are low – wo wo wo…
That’s nothing new, David Miscavige, downstats are so typical for you – boo hoo hoo…boo hoo hoo.
We’d like to know a little bit about you for our files…
Have a look at the latest episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, he spends the last five minutes taking potshots at $camology.
Thank you!!!!
*blissful sigh
That was beautiful.
John Oliver also did a bit on the lax IRS rules on starting a church with blatant scams.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
I saw this earlier today. It’s so good! Loved it .?
I’ve also realised how the once feared $camology has become a gummy flea and mange ridden little dog because five, maybe ten, years ago they would have been screaming and unleashing law suits galore all over the place and going all out to throw dirt everywhere. What a pathetic pale reflection of the “glorious world beating and fastest rising religion ” past they have become as they ride (hobble?) off into the sunset of total insignificance. The trail behind the nag littered with more and more empty scotch bottles as the Lone Demento tries desperately, and failing, to keep $camology afloat.
That 1955 quote from Hubbard “84 Light years above normal” when describing what would be a normal competent individual, capable of seeing what needs doing and then doing it. Another reminder how he was inflating his followers with self importance.
In data from 2008-9 on WikiLeaks, Valley reported 75-80 total OTC members.
I think that I remember some internal data showing Valley OTC members dropping from about 75 to under 60 between 2012 and 2014. This might be it, at least in part – isn’t Div 1 on OTC minutes the number of OTC members, or have I got that wrong?
Sept 23, 2014:
“Division 1 â Karen Brown
Active Members â Down from 64 to 61”
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes/
February 3, 2015:
“Division 1 â Karen Brown
Active Members â Down from 58 to 48”
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-3/
So I walked into one of the orgs last week as and brought with me in a satchel over 600 pages of upper level OT materials that I printed off Wikileaks and told them when we all sat down that before we got started I did have some questions and then handed each person a copy of the sacred ? materials all massively tabbed and highlighted so we could all be on the same page for my questions. The three people I met with went absolutely freaking apeshit. Iâm talking screaming, hyperventilating and hurling the materials across the room and up against the walls.
See, before I came in I told them I had heard about The Bridge and didnât want to fool around and was prepared to make whatever donations were requested or needed in order to climb to Clear and then progress through the OT Levels as quickly as possible. They were fucking salivating at the thought of liquidating all my assets.
I literally got manhandled to and then out a side door by a pair of Sea Org goons and told to never come back. ?
Now thatâs what I call a successful Scientology trolling operation.
I had Uber pick me up and did two more Uber switches before disappearing in a huge mall 30 miles away and changing clothes in a crowded restaurant restroom before I finally retrieved my personal car in the parking lot to make sure they couldnât get my license tag and/or follow me home for some Good Olde Time Fair Gaming.
Now I got to think of something even more outrageous to top this operation. ?? I got some ideas…
And oh best of all I got it all on hidden HD video w audio. So suck it David MisCavige!
Show us the video! ? That’s pretty wild. Gutsy.
JtOT, THIS is amazing! And hilarious, and gutsy, and altogether terrific. “They were fucking salivating at the thought of liquidating all my assets.” I’ll bet! What a well planned, well executed gambit not the least being how you ditched them.
. Thank you!
That noise is the background is OSA, reading this, weeping and gnashing their teeth. LOL! Good work!
In order to provide an accurate assessment of what’s going on here, I put the two lists into a spreadsheet and compared them side-to-side. There are 12 of the names that are in common on both lists. If you add together the 12 people on both lists, 18 people on the list of 30 and the 31 of the list of 43 to get the total number of people who attended either OT Committee meeting, you have a total of 61 people who have been on an OT Committee in the Valley. That’s a fair pool of people to draw from.
So while I agree that Scientology is getting smaller and that it is past the point of no return in its gradual implosion, I caution that it’s important to interpret data points like this accurately. The number of OT’s who have some involvement in the Valley Org is tiny compared to the extravagant claims of success and is laughable, as Mike says, in the face of all that’s been spent to try and recruit. However, it’s not quite right to say that the downward trend in OT Committee attendance is proof that the Valley Ideal Org is circling the drain. It appears that of the many people who are officially on the OT Committee in the Valley, around half or less attend at any one time. That sounds typical of a lot of big groups.
On the other hand, if 27 of the 30 members on the smaller list were also on the bigger list from a year ago, then there would be a clear argument that the OT committee is shrinking and it might also be possible to raise the point that many people could have blown. But the fact that a majority of the smaller committee meeting is “fresh meat” wouldn’t lead you to conclude this.
It’s important to be able to tell the truth about your opponent’s successes as well as their failures. Otherwise, they could be winning and we’d be blind to it. This is similar to the point I made a couple weeks ago in a guest column on Tony Ortega’s blog, when I analyzed some numbers from Scientology in Hungary. The only conclusion possible was that Scientology in Hungary was far larger than I had previously suspected. Again, the fact that they’re doing better in one small country than I expected doesn’t prove that ther’s a global resurgence of Scientology going on, Hungary is worth more attention.
Thanks. One point to correct in your statement. “OT Committee” members are not necessarily OT’s.
The simple fact that they had more people show up to their OT Committee meetings before they moved into their Ideal Org puts the lie to the constant assertion that opening an ideal org creates massive expansion and makes “Planetary Clearing” a reality. They do no such thing.
Ah.
This is a list of people who showed up to the meeting and/or the OT committee activities.
Not necessarily a list of active OTs in the org.
It pretty much looks like blogs like this have more commenters than an Ideal Morgue has people to service. “Scientology, it’s the thought that counts…” mmm… that should be on their next billboard.
You can’t hide those empty parking lot stats. Scientology is a zombie. Miscavige’s plans have been failures. Scientology TV is a punchline to jokes worldwide. Too many trees have been wasted in scientology propaganda that nobody reads.
It’s over.
Do you think that David Mi$cabbage read these staff? I so hope. He is psycho paranoid.
Where is Nancy Cartwright in all this? She was one of the major pushers of this org and pressured many to give.
AGP – Nancy Cartwright is most likely trying to earn more money to give to Scientology to keep the scam going.
She is acting the part of a punk kid – Bart Simpson – a really theta and high toned cartoon character that has mentored our millennials for decades now.
She is such a valuable asset to this planet.
Here are some of her other credentials:
She is an Oat Tea.
She gives a lot of money to an evil cult that destroys lives and shatters families.
Nancy Cartwright is actually in hiding because Scientologists won’t leave her alone and will cannibalize her if she comes around.
She got tired from the Valley. She transferred her money now for the IAS. But far from being worry. She is here going strong on contributions big time.
You have to parse the words; “An Ideal Org REPRESENTS 10x expansion”.
That doesn’t mean it WILL expand.
An acceptable truth!
Good catch!
Also, for many orgs, the move to an “ideal” facility is about a 10X increase in their square footage, which seems to be one of Scientology’s most important “stats” these days. The new buildings are supposed to be around 50,000 square feet; and for instance Orlando’s previous long-term location was only around 3,500, though I’ve noticed a couple in spaces around 5,000, suggesting that was more recently a standard for leased space. So then that could mean 47X too much “ideal” space for a small and failing org….
just need the IRS to put the hammer down on Fake Religion & be nice to see them Not only Pay what they got away with Plus Late Fees and that should be game over for D.M & get his properties & really do GOOD w them.
These Thrilling Thirty have got to know they are being lied to, are not expanding and it doesn’t look hopeful. So what the hell is the voice in their heads saying to help them keep their equilibrium?
“Leah and Mike are the big SP’s affecting new member numbers. Once her series ends we’ll start expanding.” or
“The whole world is going to hell in a hand basket. They can’t have the great tech scientology has to offer.” or
“I don’t care if the whole thing is a lie; I don’t know what to do with myself in the wog world.” or
“Maybe we should mutiny and call for a new leader. …. (financial ruin. disconnection, loss of family and friends, ruined utterly…) …. oh wait …. What a great leader david miscavige is. He’s too high tone for the rest of us.”
The secret thoughts of Valley OTC members:
We feel sexless, we feel blue
We feel lonely and in grief
We feel ev’ry kind of feeling
But the feeling of relief
We feel hunted like a sheep does
When he meets the IAS
What do we feel?
Damn PTS!
There is nothing like a Dave
Nothing in the world
There is nothing you can name
That is anything like a Dave!
There are no crooks like a Dave
And nothing looks like a Dave
There are no finks like a Dave
And nothing thinks like a Dave
Nothing acts like a Dave
Or subtracts like a Dave
There ain’t a thing that’s wrong with anyone here
That can’t be cured when we disappear
From fair game, insane, greedy, psychopath Dave!
$cientology’s shrinking like a hemorrhoid, and it will be just as much a relief when it’s gone.
PickAnotherID – the Preparation H for that Hemmorrhoid called Scientology – is THE TRUTH! Keep telling it every day. We are shrinking that roid down to nothing. VWD SP’s.
So COS production stats have come to this. The mere condition of being “active” is not only noted, but commended. Can you imagine a manager in any company accepting “active” as an indication of noteworthy production? What do these people have to show for their wonderful and laudable activity? Not much, I’ll bet. And they’re going to clear the planet? Let’s all start holding are breath for that now.
I think the Valley mORGue Office of Special Affairs should do a WHY finding on the situation. Certainly there are one or more Ess Pees involved that are choking out Dave’s massive expansion plans.
Yo Dave,
c’mon good buddy, git yer fabulous tech goosed into action and come up with a plan. You could start with a general sec check of all Oh Tea committee members to find out what level of radar ducking is going on. Then do the same with all three staff members and finally, git Kathy on the cans as well to find out what stops she is creating.
Put the fear of Dave into the whole group and watch the place go saint shill size.
One more thing Dave, how about Yer largest private relief farce on the planet? Can You provide just a little help out there in Malibu? Git some of yer yellow shirts on the front lines for good Pee Are …. for a change.
I am sure we can blame someone else, as the leader does. He, for god sakes, claims to work 24-7 and has been the only one who represents KSW.
So, if it is not expanding is because the staff is doing nothing, they have not done 5 times the Student Hat, or have not learned verbatim the Dissemination Drills.
Could it be that the why is the apostates on the fringes of the Internet? Maybe Leah Reminds success on her TV Program?
Whatever the WHY is the leader has nothing to do with it…as usual it is someone else’s fault, never his.
Wait a sec, it is not just Miscavige who is KSW.
What about Tom Cruise. He is KSW… RUTHLESSLY. That is why we constantly see him out in public singing the praises of scientology… don’t we? Hey wait a minute. Where is Miscavige’s Useful Idiot?
So, I was bored and curious this morning. Matched up the names and found 31 names were dropped from 2015 to 2018. 12 names were on both lists, leaving 18 new names listed in 2018.
So, 28% retention, 30% decline, 42% turnover.
That 28% is probably busy doing most of the work, or maybe they donât have anything else better to do, much like me today, apparently.
Hereâs the list of names dropped. I pray itâs because they found their way out of their Scn nightmare. Maybe we will hear some of their stories on Aftermath season 4?
Karen Brown
Mark Anderson
David Wilson
Tony Lonstein
Sharon Lonstein
Avi Lonstein
Steve Jacobson
Ralph Temps
Hagit Ron
Avnar Golan
Bob Welch
Kathie Heard
Linda Massey
John Massey
Alan Gilbertson
Dali Bahat
Ofra Bahat
Lauren Perreau
Chuck Jacobs
Bobbi Kassowitz
Marty Kassowitz
Jill Kirsch
Mary Walsh
Colleen Bigler
Kathy DiGalbo
Terry Morrill
Larry Marshall
David Nunez
Mary Nunez
Jose Salas
Patty Salas
Thanx for your research this morning neverin. Good to know!
Some of those names are vaguely familiar as long-time Scios. I distinctly remember Dali and Ofra Bahat. They were very active FSMs. Nice, and I liked them. I knew Kathy DiGalbo, a course sup at the Westwood Mission. Her husband Don was a Flag trained case supervisor there. It was back in the days when missions were actually delivering technical services.
More on Don: http://www.fracturedjourney.shugartmedia.com/bonus/digalbo.html
Wow. From 43 members down to 30? And that’s with all the tech because they it is called the “OT” committee after all…NOT.
If you work and strive and dress up, cavort across stages in costumes..for years and years… If you max your credit and remortgage your home for straight donations … No money left for bridge services.. Give up your precious little free time on OT committees, planning and executing these money squeezing prison events…..
For years,…………
achieve success, grin and blow out relief at the unveiling……
What the Hell is it like… When the months and years roll by and the Org remains limping along… and shrinking as people slip away…..?
I’ve been fortunate to have had geographic excuses to have wholly avoided class 5 org Ideal Org events. I’ve attended major events with some regging tacked on, but I’ve escaped the rest. I have a macabre interest in the mental gymnastics they must suffer.I
Me too Rip! ?
Rip,
I’d go with the first 3 of Mary’s possibilities: they vacillate between hope and blame and don’t know what else to do with themselves.
They’re parked in a mental operating state of “maybe”.
Every time they start to believe what their own eyes and common sense plainly tell them, Miscavige pulls them back with another false hope.
There’s always something new he’s touting that’s going to make “planetary clearing a reality”.
And they fall for it. Every time.
And in the meantime they’re getting older, and more set in their ways.
And, as the song says, “Time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’, into the future.”
I wonder, down the road, what will follow SuMP as the NEXT solution to “planetary clearing in our lifetime”.
I don’t know what it will be, but I do know this: in a couple of years, SuMP will be off the cult radar with something else in its place heralded as the Solution to Planetary Asset and Bank Account Clearing In Our Lifetime.
And whoever is still dumb enough to be Still In will be believing every word of it. and paying thru the nose for it..
You know, its not like Miscavige’s scams are that clever. Its that his marks are just really stupid.
The bubble wall is pretty thick these days.
In the 80’s and 90’s, when I attended cherch events at Class IV orgs, it was amazing how much expansion, hype about good deeds and public acceptance, was projected at the event – but I would look around at our org and see none of that – we were still the same size as 10 years ago. And our PR was still mud.
But the cherch would not lie to us….would it? So Scientologists would leave the events all pumped up believing that there was incredible expansion going on all over the world; just not at their org.
Since those heady days, Miscavige has ‘oversold’ the concept of Ideal Orgs as the panacea and the solution to booming Scientology. How the staff can now reconcile the empty, grandiose buildings and the dwindling membership, is beyond common sense.
Not only are the emperor’s new clothes missing, so is the emperor – instead there is a narcissistic little prick who is about as spiritual as a nail, in a piece of wood, at the bottom of the ocean.
Love your comment and description Zola.
Like your style Zola. I was around the scene in those days too & you’ve nailed it! What’s that old saying… “the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.” It’s always better Scientology someplace else. That introverting make wrong has run its course and become more or less worthless but that’s all MIscavige has, old hackneyed scams within a huge scam.
Mike, I found the WHY: The nearby McDonald’s is taking away their business! To remedy the situation, they should immediately undercut their competitor’s prices and start serving up Way to Happiness Meals like the Chicken McSavage and Dave’s Potato Head fries.
Their business will go downhill.
You just made me choke, Scribe đ
Wow. Ideal orgs equal greater equity for RTC. It’s that simple. Nonprofits can’t hold cash. They hold real estate. It’s the tax code they are riding, and riding the public along the way.
“Remember when they used to issue these commendations BEFORE the âIdeal Orgâ opened and publish their âOTC Minutesâ listing the attendees? They donât do that any more because they were embarrassed about them repeatedly being leaked and appearing on this blog. Ah, for the good old days⌔
Yes – Mike – we do remember
Congratulations and VWD!
We would like to indicate that you have successfully suppressed Scientology and kept it from expanding. You and Leah have delivered a BLOW of epic proportions. We all love and support you and are also suppressing Scientology every way we can.
Please – Continue.
Scientology is circling the drain….
Hilarious!
OSA! Explanation please! Without any blaming on all the SP-sites and blogs…