This is the ninth (and final) “vacation” post, revisiting some of the more important articles to have appeared on my blog over the years.
This one seems especially appropriate given the attacks will surely ramp up seeking to discredit me as my book comes out. This subject has also been extensively addressed by both Stefani Hutchinson and Jeffrey Augustine at their blogs. The original post and comments is here.
While the “church” of scientology has kindly nicknamed me “Lady Killer,” the strange reason for this deserves some context.
This post also serves to demonstrate the twisted and false nature of the statements, videos, tweets, ads and emails that scientology is sending out to try and “dead agent” everyone involved in the Going Clear film. I am no special case — all participants are getting the same treatment. I happen to have details and specifics concerning the things they say about me. You can be certain the statements about the others are no less false. It is of course interesting that the actual “tech” Miscavige is supposedly following says to DISPROVE the statements made — not to try to discredit the source and ignore the statements made. In that regard, the latest scientology “response” to Going Clear reported in THR yesterday is instructive.
“[scientology] attempts to rip apart Gibney’s sources in the film with ad hominem attacks,.. but fails to tackle any major revelation in the film.”
With respect to me, scientology has been showing images of a bloody woman’s arm, claiming that I inflicted “permanent” grave bodily injury on my ex-wife (and thus the strange lady “killer” moniker — they apparently don’t understand what the term means).
They are spreading this as far and wide as they can through paid Facebook and Google Ads as well as on Twitter and on their Freedom site and in their letters to the media.
Here is a recent paid tweet one of my friends received:
Oddly enough, when I try to see this myself, I am blocked. I guess they don’t want me responding to their lying tweets…
Freedom of speech is such a hallowed thing in scientology.
They have three main attacks on me:
1. I was “dismissed for gross malfeasance” — funny thing, I walked out when I was the international spokesperson of the church, on the Board of Directors of Church of Scientology International. This is VERY well documented as I was in London at the time dealing with BBC Panorama (see below). There is video footage of me being the international spokesman — not “removed for malfeasance.” In fact, they begged me to come back. No “dismissal”. Though they DO now say I “abandoned my family.” Which is it? I left or they threw me out, in which case they broke up my family rather than me abandoning it.
And strange thing about all this “malfeasance” the church has “gotten rid of” (every former executive is alleged to have engaged in gross “malfeasance” after they are gone). It begs the question: How is this organization SO rife with such terrible people? Violent psychopaths. Liars. Cheats. Isn’t this the church that claims they have the “tech” to handle these things? It is a very damning admission by scientology that their tech DOESNT work if there are so many at the top of it who are degenerate, criminal “DB’s” (in scientology lingo).
2. I am an admitted liar. Based on documents/confessions from when I was in the church and would say anything to try to satisfy Miscavige. Apart from the fact that the church keeps telling the world that all their former officials WHEN IN THE CHURCH were liars (one could assume by now that everyone in any senior position in scientology is a liar and you would not be far wrong), once again, isn’t it the most damning admission of all that scientology “tech” doesnt work? That senior officials of the church routinely “admit” they are liars? And there are so many of them? The church wants everyone to believe they just get rid of the bad apples and everyone else is pure as the driven snow. I can assure you EVERY senior executive in scientology has “admissions” and “write-ups” they have been forced to do after being accused by Miscavige of lying to him. It happens almost daily. Interestingly, not a SINGLE admission by anyone that they lied concerns statements made after they left the church.
3. I assaulted my ex-wife. This is really the subject of this post. On its face, it could be true. There is photographic “evidence.” There is a story of how she “screamed at me to stop.” I could be some sort of monster. Only people that know me personally would have any evidence to put this into context. It’s not like the first two points where there are self-evident contradictions within the very statements.
I don’t normally bother with anything scientology says about me or anyone else, but this presents the perfect opportunity to tell more of the story of the type of abusive behavior scientology engages in.
Many people now exposed to the church’s reimagining of events won’t be familiar with what happened at the time even though it was fairly widely covered on Marty’s blog and in the St Pete Times.
So, for anyone interested in the facts, I am republishing the accounts of the incident where Cathy (my ex-wife) sustained a graze on her right arm. And as a note, it is ONLY her right arm that is mentioned in the report at the time, and this photo appears to show a large bandaged area in addition to an abrasion on the skin. The large bandage is there for effect. There is nothing under that bandage. Instead of putting a piece of gauze and a bandaid over the graze they had a large bandage wrapped around her arm NEXT TO the graze and included in the shot. I grazed my arms, hands, knees, shins like that a hundred times when I skateboarded as a kid. But this incident has now morphed into a full scale assault by some sort of crazed lunatic –a “lady killer” and a serial “wife abuser” who caused permanent injury to his timid ex-wife.
Cathy (my ex-wife); Taryn, my daughter; 4 senior church executives (Jenny Linson, Guillaume Lesevre, David Bloomberg and Sue Wilhere) — all from Los Angeles; along with my brother, Andrew who lives in Australia were despatched by David Miscavige to “confront me” in the parking lot of a doctor’s office in Clearwater, Florida.
I did not approach them or seek them out in any way.
Two PI’s followed me to the doctor’s office, along with these 7 people. They rolled in in 3 cars. To a parking lot not visible from the main road, in fact a considerable distance down a private road and at the back of a suite of doctor offices. With the 2 PI’s observing from a distance, all 7 of them descended on me as I was talking on the phone waiting for my now wife who was at the doctor. I was aimlessly walking around in the parking lot while engaged in a phone conversation.
You will note that I asked that the police be called. Not my ex-wife claiming an assault. The Pinellas Count Sheriffs interviewed the people who did not run away (the 2 PI’s, Jenny Linson, Guillaume Lesevre and Dave Bloomberg literally jumped in cars and fled the scene as soon as 911 was called and before the Sheriffs arrived) at the time of the so-called assault and they concluded these people had followed me and that the grazes on Cathy’s arm were “incidental contact” as I was trying to walk away from her and the others who had flown thousands of miles to seek me out. In fact, they issued a Trespass Warning on my ex-wife and the others as a result of this incident. But of course none of this information appears in the church “Dead Agent” material.
Here is the full story, starting with the report I wrote about this incident that evening.
It was published on Marty Rathbun’s blog as “Miscavige Meltdown” – I reprint it below:
It was a beautiful day in Pinellas County, sunny and warm. I was standing in a secluded parking lot in shorts and flip-flops talking on the phone while I was waiting for Christie to come out of the doctor’s office (nothing wrong, she consults on nutrition). I was not really paying attention to anything but was engaged in conversation. I turned around and suddenly there were 7 people dressed in “business attire” walking towards me, now about 10 feet away: Jenny Linson, David Bloomberg, Sue “David Miscavige is Scientology” Wilhere, Guillaume “on no post but from International Management” Lesevre, Andrew Rinder (my brother), Taryn Rinder (my daughter) and Cathy Rinder/Bernadini (though she uses another name she kept screaming that she is my wife?). They looked more than a little out of place in their “power suits” (except my brother who was dressed in a polo shirt and looked normal).
They started right in — it was just like being in the hole — 7 people surrounding you yelling and screaming “You are a fucking SP”, “Stop doing what you are doing”, “You are going to die”, “You are trying to destroy Scientology”, “You are hurting your family”, “You disconnected from your family”, “You are killing your mother”, “Stay away from Benjamin” (this last was a little strange given the statements that I refuse to communicate with anyone in my family) etc. etc. etc.
The rabble was led by Jenny Linson and Cathy Neal/Rubio/Rinder/Bernardini – doing a perfect imitation of DM frothing at the mouth and yelling obscenities. Guillaume said virtually nothing. Bloomberg tried to be Mr. Big and told me several times “Stop what you are doing.” Sue Wilhere said nothing. My brother who is an OT 8 but not a Sea Org member was the most civil and sensible and actually seemed to want to communicate something other than screaming “You’re an SP”. My daughter Taryn is a Gold staff member and is indoctrinated into the wonders of Ideal Orgs and I feel some pangs of guilt that I raised her in the SO and that she is now caught in the web of lies. And of course, lurking in the background were the ever present PIs in sunglasses.
When I told my brother that I would talk to him without the assembled peanut gallery, the screaming only increased with “Tone 40” commands from Jenny to “Shutup and listen” and “you ARE going to hear us”. I think he was a little surprised to see what he had gotten himself into. Little does he know what really goes on – but perhaps he is going to now realize from personal experience that the “goodness and light” image that DM tries to portray isn’t quite what it seems.
But, DM couldn’t have foreseen that his little ambush squad would approach me when I was on the phone with John Sweeney from the BBC in the midst of a recorded interview! So, everything the DMbots said was recorded as it went down by the BBC. Of course, they were under strict orders from DM about what they were to do, so they just barged ahead with their craziness. That’s the breaks when people in fear are operating on orders – they cannot make a decision if something changes. No “think for yourself”…. In fact, when I informed them they were being recorded by the BBC they seemed to take it as a challenge to their manhood (womanhood? bitchhood?) as if I was trying to trick them (cunning SP that I am). So, it was all recorded (audio only unfortunately) and they couldn’t have done a better job of convincing the BBC of Miscavige’s insanity and that everything that is said about how people are treated by him and that they will sign perjured affidavits is absolutely, utterly true. You often hear “he pulled it in” – a much overused justification that some (including DM) use to explain their overts on others – I couldn’t help but think that DM just “pulled it in.”
Jenny kept screaming about how I WAS going to listen to them (I guess she thinks I take orders from her or else she is going to take away my eternity?) and I told her and the assembled others to “Fuck Off” (if this ever airs on US TV there will be a LOT of bleeps though they will get the unadulterated version in the UK). I then attempted to get in my car and leave. A scuffle ensued with Dave Bloomberg, Jenny and Cathy holding the car door open as I tried to close it to drive away and my brother taking my keys out of the ignition as I grabbed his hand and bent his finger back (until he told me I was going to break it and I let go). It wasn’t good odds. So, I got out of the car to go into the doctor’s office to call the police. More scuffling ensued as I tried to make my way 50 feet to the door. My sunglasses were knocked off and someone trod on them (my brother later insisted I take his nicer glasses to replace them).
By this time, the doctor and her staff had heard the ruckus outside and she came to the door and told me I could come in and nobody else was welcome. Cathy and Taryn barged their way into the doctor’s office saying “he’s my husband” and “he’s my father”. She told them she didn’t care who they were, it was her office and they weren’t welcome (the rest of the gang were blabbering incoherently at the door). During the scuffles, Cathy had somehow sustained a cut on her arm that was bleeding. The doctor tried to 8C her out of her reception area and Cathy started yelling at the doctor “He’s my husband, and you have my blood on your hands”. Pretty bizarre. That was after she had shouted at Christie in front of the Doctor in her reception area “You, you’re a fucking little bitch.”
The doctor asked if I wanted her to call the police. I told her yes, as I wanted the record made then and there as no doubt the Church would try to claim that I hurt Cathy’s arm and (of course they waited until there were no other witnesses to approach me 7 on 1). I have no idea how her arm was grazed, Jenny Linson might have bitten her in the throws of her frothing insanity for all I know.
The doctor locked her doors and she and her staff were too scared to venture outside until the police arrived. They were literally terrified. She even called her next patient and canceled the appointment. More excellent PR area control for Scientology in the Clearwater community!
The doctor also called the paramedics due to the blood on Cathy’s arm. The paramedics arrived within a couple of minutes and the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Department (6 cars) showed up about 5 minutes later. Of course, the real chickenshit rats scurried away before the Sheriff’s arrived – Linson, Lesevre and Bloomberg jumped in their cars and drove off as I waved fondly. But Cathy was stuck in the ambulance, so Sue Wilhere stayed with her. So did my brother and daughter – the only two civil ones amongst them. Everyone made statements to the Sheriff’s, as did the doctor and Christie. I am sure Sue and Cathy would rather have left, but they were kind of stuck.
Just before the Sheriff’s arrived, I asked where my car keys were. The assembled mob said “they didn’t know.” I told them that would really be a problem as soon as the police arrived – and suddenly Sue Wilhere “found them”. Childish isn’t the right word for this sort of behavior.
Now, for anyone who thinks I should have “pressed charges” I can assure it would have been a waste of time. This sort of thing is orchestrated to be 7 on 1 (not counting PIs) with no witnesses for a reason. These people will say anything – even under oath – and would simply claim that I attacked someone first (not true) and it would be a long, drawn out procedure that would, in the end, accomplish nothing. And make no mistake, it was a carefully staged (if botched) operation, they waited until I was alone as my brother said they had seen me yesterday (and all I did was ride my bike with Christie and Shane to the park so they were out stalking in the neighborhood). The police DO have all the statements from the witnesses and they issued a trespass warning to the Church people who didn’t flee. There was little else they could do.
Don’t worry, because better than criminal charges that go nowhere – it was all recorded by the BBC as it went down. And that is far more devastating in the long run.
As for my brother and daughter (who I did manage to speak to alone for a few minutes), I told them they both looked good and I was very happy to see that. I also told them they don’t know what is going on and challenged Taryn about the Ideal Orgs and how off policy it is and whether she thinks Miscavige beating people is acceptable. And with my brother, I asked him if he knew what inurnment is because Miscavige is engaged in it and he is going to destroy the Church through his out ethics. Of course, under the circumstances they aren’t going to agree with me. But maybe they will think about it. My brother asked me for my phone number so he could call me to have dinner, just him and me “if he can get permission.” I gladly gave it to him and told him any time. But if he is going to ask permission, it’s never going to happen. One day I hope he will decide to do it on his own.
If anyone needed current proof that the activities of the Hole are still ongoing, it was played out in full living color today. It was vintage DM, gang-bang yelling and screaming, attempting to drive in anchor points and intimidate. Problem is that it occurred in the parking lot of a doctor’s office in Clearwater. The doors weren’t barred. There was no Security Force muscle and there ARE phones with which to call law enforcement. So, it didn’t work out so well for DM. In fact, as has become his personal trademark, he delivered himself yet another massive footbullet.
Meanwhile, he sits stewing in massive MWH phenomena, lashing out with wild animal reactions, wondering which of his crimes is going to be exposed next.
And he should be worried.
There was a follow up post the next day “Miscavige Meltdown Update”:
There have been many comments in response to my original posting, including a great deal of support and many good wishes from friends too numerous to count. I wish to thank you all. It would have been literally impossible to respond to each person individually.
The Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office completed their report about the incident last Friday and it contains some interesting information. Cathy Neal/Rubio/Rinder/Bernardini told the sheriffs that it was all just a big coincidence. Apparently she just happened to be driving around Clearwater with her friends (my brother from Australia, daughter, her and Sue Wilhere from Los Angeles) and in a stroke of pure coincidence saw me and decided they wanted to make the point to me that I should be communicating to my family. Strange though that she omitted to mention that Jenny Linson, Guillaume Lesevre, David Bloomberg and two PIs were also present? Or that the doctor’s office is in a secluded glade and can’t be seen from the road and is at least 10 miles away from the closest Scientology facility. There was also no mention of the fact that my brother had said after the melee that he had seen me the day before? Another coincidence? Also strange that she claimed to be upset about me not communicating to my family when she was screaming at me to “leave Benjamin (my son) alone” (because I had gone to the Fort Harrison the week before to attempt to see him). Also strange that she was the one who wrote to me on 4 July 2007 when I had communicated to the Church that I wanted to see her, responding “Fuck You” and that the divorce papers would be forthcoming (they were and she was the petitioner, with Jeanne Gavigan In House OSA attorney filing the divorce).
No doubt, there will be more spin control attempted on this matter as the St Pete Times are writing a story following the release of the Sheriff’s report. Of course, the Church will have to come up with some sort of justification for the insanity. Based on what is in the sheriff’s report, their response is predictable: claim that I caused the graze on Cathy’s arm (the sheriffs took reports from everyone and concluded that her injury came about as a result of “incidental contact”), that I broke my brother’s finger (being the crazed lunatic that I am, out searching the streets for my family members so I can corner them 7 on 1 and launch an attack) and that this was all just a “family matter” (with Jenny Linson leading the charge accompanied by 3 other non-family SO members from International Management there?). DM only has one response: never defend, always attack even when the facts are plainly contrary.
It is a foregone conclusion that they are going to shoot themselves in the groin yet again as whatever they say is going to be reported by the SP Times, even if it isn’t believable. But that will leave the door wide open for the BBC to prove them liars once again. DM cannot see beyond today.
If the real purpose was to talk to me, it really would have been so simple for my brother to just call me – as he wanted to do but didn’t have “permission.” Or my daughter. If they honestly wanted communication, why send nasty letters from the IJC address telling me that I am the worst kind of SP, have no concept of Scientology, make no case gain and various other nasty things obviously written at the prompting of others. And coincidentally (there are a lot of coincidences?) the first series of letters arrived after Monique Yingling’s failed attempt to silence me in Denver where I told her that communicating with my family was EXTREMELY important to me, but I would not let it be used as a method of control over me. No doubt DM saw this as a “weakness” and has been trying to exploit it ever since. The second round came right after the BBC interview (which was filmed by Church PIs) where I expressed the same sentiment. Perhaps I should give those letters to the media and let the world decide whether the C of M really has any concern for the unity and well-being of my family. I haven’t done so up to now because I don’t think my family acted on their own but are trying to protect their lives and families by toeing the DM party line as they know the consequences of not doing so. The unmitigated hatred that is displayed in those letters is not the brother, sister, mother, daughter or even ex wife I know. It’s sad to see people who I know to be kind, decent and caring lose all humanity.
But this shall all come to pass. DM cannot continue to run an empire based on lies and operating through fear. The more drastic the responses, the closer it is to the end. A cornered rat becomes most insane and lashes out the hardest when the coup de grace is about to be delivered.
Here is a copy of the Sheriff Report:
Later in the year the audio recording made by John Sweeney, along with a transcript, was made public in another posting entitled “Miscavige Meltdown — The Proof.” (Unfortunately the audio link is broken). Two of the participants in the “confrontation,” Jenny Linson and Dave Bloomberg subsequently became infamous when they carried out another “confrontation” of Mark Rathbun at LAX that he captured on video and posted on his blog. Their modus operandi had not changed.
Here is the text of the posting. I deleted the now broken audio link, but the transcript is still there.One of the most widely read posts on this blog was published on 24 April 2010, Miscavige Meltdown. It was Mike Rinder’s account of an ambush staged by seven Miscavige flunkies on Mike in the parking lot of a doctor’s office where he was waiting for Christie. The seven were Miscavige’s deputy Jenny Linsen, ED Int Guialluame Lesevre, David Blumberg, Sue “David Miscavige is Scientology” Wilhere, Cathy Rinder, Taryn Rinder and Andrew Rinder. Here is the the link to that post for those unfamiliar with it:
The BBC broadcast a short sound bite of the ambush. Here is the entire sound recording of the event. It is followed by a transcript. The recording was made in the United Kingdom via a cell phone Mike was holding so it is not the greatest quality. I suggest starting the audio recording and follow along with the transcript. If you can make it all the way through, well done, and pass on your increasing ability to confront evil.
As the audio link is broken, and I haven’t been able to get the full thing recovered yet, I have excerpted a section that contains most of the audio used by the BBC Panorama “Secrets of Scientology” program. You can watch the entire show if you wish.
A kind reader just pointed out that the full audio is HERE. Tony Ortega (of course) had uploaded it.
Rinder confrontation transcript:
April 23, 2010
Mike Rinder: Hello
John Sweeney: Hello Mike, I don’t know why we got cut off there
MR: Yeah, I don’t know why either
JS: Ok, so essentially…. um, um….you did sign depositions, or affidavits at this period, but they, you certainly didn’t, you didn’t lie and you didn’t ask anybody else to lie?
Cathy Rinder (CR): Fucker
MR: Hey John, guess what…
David Bloomberg: Mother Fucker
MR: …. my brother, my daughter, David Bloomberg, a whole gang of people just came here in the parking lot.
Several people screaming at the same time: Mike, Fuck you, Mike, Fuck you, …….etc
MR: You get out of here
Jenny Linson: You look at your daughter. You piece of shit.
MR: Oh, Fuck off Jenny.
JL: Fuck you.
Several people screaming at the same time
CR: ….. I don’t care
MR: Can you hear what they are saying? John can you hear this?
JS: I can’t, I’m afraid. Who is that?
CR: Look at your daughter
AR: Talk to us
?: Shut up
Taryn Rinder: I’m your daughter, Mike
MR: Are you listening?
CR: You deserted us
JL: You deserted your family, you won’t talk to your family, you won’t see your family, you brother is here, your daughter is here, your wife is here
MR: I’ll talk to Andrew, I’ll talk to you
CR: Oh Yeah?
JL: ….and they want to talk to you, you deserted your family, you deserted your family you piece of shit, you deserted your family
CR: You walked out on me, you Fucker
MR: Screw off Jenny
JL: You walked out on your family
Taryn Rinder (TR): And you tried to fuck with Benjamin, you tried to fuck with Benjamin
TR: You’re trying to fuck with me. You’re trying to fuck with my home.
TR: Your church, and my church, you’re fucking with everything I believe in
CR: You leave Benjamin alone, you knock it off
MR: That’s fine Cathy
CR: No, it’s not fine, you fuck off, you fucking stop
JL: Your family came here to talk to you, and you refuse to talk to your family
AR: Talk to me Michael, talk to me
JS: Mike are you OK?
AR: Don’t be a dick, don’t be a fucking dick
MR tries to get into the car. Car horn….. (Andrew trying to stop him and take the keys and his arm pushes up against the car horn.)
AR: Don’t be a dick man, Look just talk to me, Talk to me
MR: Andrew, I will talk to you but not with all these other people
AR: Talk to me now, c’mon
MR: Ok, get in the car, get in the car
AR: I can’t get in the car, you don’t even know what it’s taken for me to get here, you have no idea what I’ve gotta go through, It’s just not Ok, you can’t do this to me (concurrent to car horn).
AR: You can’t. It’s my life Mike
MR: It’s mine too
AR: I got it, it’s just….you just can’t do this to me. Ok?
AR: You’re breaking my finger
JS: Mike, mike, can you…
MR: I’m not
JL: Talk to your brother, Stop what you are doing and listen to your brother, stop hurting your brother
AR: Mike talk to me, talk to me
MR: I will talk to you, get in the car
JL: Stop hurting your brother, stop………your brother
AR: Stop giving me crap
JL: Stop hurting your brother, stop, listen to your brother
MR: Don’t you take the keys
AR: I came from Melbourne to talk to you
MR: I want to talk to you
JL: Mike stop
MR: I’m willing to talk to you, but I will talk to you in the car, you get in the car and I’ll talk to you. I’ll drive off.
AR: Take the keys out
MR: Get in the car
(scuffle of noise, shoving, wrestling of something….)
AR: ……..My sunglasses
AR: Don’t you go anywhere alright
MR: I’m not going anywhere. I’m just going to shut the door guys.
Other people talking…..
AR?: I’ll get it then
DB: …….. the phone
MR: Ok Dave, go ahead.
JL: Mike this is……(?) you cock-sucking piece of shit
MR: Oh, Jenny you’re really helping
JL: Oh yeah, let me tell you………….
MR: Forget it Andrew, forget it
AR: I’ve come a long way
JL: That’s it
People talking, not discernable
JL: Don’t go anywhere
MR: Don’t do that. It’s not OK.
(concurrently there is scuffling, shoving, wrestling of keys, phone or something)
JS: Hello? Hello? Hello?
Disconnected, JS calls back.
JS: No they’ve all, they’re still in, I’m still recording myself. I need to, let me see how he is.
JS: Hi, Mike, It’s John…. I’m….uh well
CR: Want to keep going? ….. Fucking……stupid…..
MR: I would like it if you would call the police
JL: Look what you did to your wife , look what you did to your wife
MR: Call the Clearwater police and send them to
JL: Look what you did to your wife, look what you did to your wife
CR: Look at it Mike
JL: look what you did to your wife, look what you did to us
JS: Call the Clearwater police, what number?
AR: C’mon, Mike don’t do this, confront me, fucking confront ME
JS: Could you tell the others that we are, that I am recording this conversation and we want to use it for….
AR: Stop being a Fuck-wit, Stop it
MR: I just want to let everybody know that this whole conversation is being recorded by the BBC
JL: That’s fine, That’s fine, because your wife and your daughter came to see you and you diiiiiisconnected from them, they came to see you and YOU won’t see them
CR: You walked out on us
MR: Did you get that on tape John?
AR: Good, but you can talk to me
JS: Yes, um, who was talking there
MR: That was Jenny Devocht
JL: First of all, I said fine to you, I didn’t say fine to them, your family came to see you and you won’t talk to them, and that’s…
MR: Oh, fuck off you little piece of shit
JL: No, you stop it Mike
MR: Jenny, piss off
JL: It’s CATHY that’s talking to you
CR: I’M talking to you
MR: No, you’ve got a little, you’ve got a little gang here
JL: Your brother’s here, your daughter’s here, you’re married to her, you won’t see your family.
CR: I want to talk to you
AR: Just talk to me, man
JL: Your family is here to see you and you refuse to talk to them, that’s the truth.
AR: C’mon, talk to me
CR: You won’t talk to me Mike
MR: You’re right
AR: But you can talk to me
MR: I’ll talk to you, I told you already I’ll talk to you, I’m happy to talk to you, but I won’t talk to you with that little bitch shouting in the background……
AR: I know, I know, I got it
Holly Johangten: Mike, can you come here please, you (directed at the other people) are not welcome here
JL: His wife is going with him
TR: I’m your daughter
JL: She’s his daughter
CR: I’m his wife
JL: His wife and his daughter are here, it’s his daughter, his daughter, and his brother
HJ: You are not welcome in here, and you are not
JL: His daughter…..
HJ: Do you want them to come with you?
CR: Ma’am, I am, ma’am…..
HJ: I don’t care, this is my place of establishment and I would like you to leave right now
CR: No, I am married to him and I am going to talk to him
HJ: (Directed at her receptionist) Can you go take care of her needles for her please? Thanks.
CR: I’m talking to him
HJ: Would you like me to call the police?
MR: Yes, please
HJ: Please leave
CR: I’m going to talk to him, OK?
MR: Would you please call the police
JS: Are you asking me to?
HJ: Get out now
MR: No, no John, I’m at the doctors because Christie was at the doctor
CR: He is my husband, I’m going to talk to him
HJ: You’re not welcome here, I don’t care
MR: And I’m in, I walked inside the doctors office and the doctor was a little upset
HJ: I don’t care whose daughter you are, please leave here right now
JS: Right, OK
MR: Because there is a bunch of people screaming outside, and demanding to come in, and my daughter tried to push her and…..
HJ: Can you shut the door please?
AR: Yeah, sure. Mike?
JS: Right, has this ever happened before at all?
MR: No it hasn’t
HJ: It’s not up to him.
JS: And this was a half hour conversation that we had before
JS: Who knows, Um……
CR: says something in the background (not discernable)
MR: Oh, get the fuck out of here, don’t cause more trouble, you’re already causing enough trouble.
CR: Oh yeah, you won’t talk to me
MR: What do you care?
CR: You stay away from Benjamin, you mother fucker
MR: What do you care?
TR: We care about him.
CR: I care about that Ok
TR: Me too
MR: About what?
CR: About Benjamin
MR: Oh, and like that really hurt him, right?
CR: You better stop
MR: After you, after you…..
CR: You have no idea, Ok.
MR: Good you made your point, Bye
CR: No, fuck you, you’re going to stop it
CR: You’re going to stop mucking with our lives, and your fucking kids OK?
TR: And with me
MR: I am not
CR: Yes you are, you are going to stop
MR: Oh, why because you told me so?
CR: That’s right
MR: That’s not going to work, Cathy
CR: I’m telling you, you better stop, you better stop
MR: You better wake up.
CR: You better fucking wake up, buddy.
MR: You better wake up to what’s really going on
CR: You have no fucking idea, Ok. I don’t give a fuck. All I know, is that what you’ve been doing and what you’re doing now is committing SP acts every minute, of every fucking day.
MR: And if you think that that has an effect on me, you’re wrong
CR: I’m not …..
JS: And who is talking now Mike?
CR: I’m telling you, you are going to stop
JS: And that’s um, that’s your ex-wife? Does she know that I’m recording this conversation?
MR: Yes, they all know that you’re recording this conversation, John.
TR: We don’t care. This is my comm cycle to you.
MR: Taryn, I’m happy to talk to you.
CR: You are not listening to her. Listen to her Mike.
CR: You have no idea.
MR: Oh, yes I do.
TR: Well then, that’s the problem.
AR: Get off the phone and talk to her.
MR: Yes I do. I have a very good idea.
CR: You’re fucking nuts. Ok.
MR: That’s true. Obviously.
CR: ……You have a fucking axe to grind and you are not in present time.
MR: That really impinged.
CR: Yeah, let me tell you something….
MR: That really impinged, that really impinged. That really, that really impinged.
CR: You are…. to us, and effecting my entire family. You are not going to do it anymore, and you are going to stop. STOP doing what you are doing. It isn’t worth it, Mike. For what?
MR: To save you.
TR: Oh, no. No.
CR: Fuck Off.
MR: Oh yeah, well I really appreciate that.
TR: No fucking way. You know it. You know it. And everything you do….
CR: Oh really to save me, oh yeah, that’s your intention? (pointing at her arm)
MR: Oh, like I walked up and grabbed you?
CR: Yeah, you did.
MR: Oh right. (Laughing in disbelief.)
AR: Hey, Knock it off, knock it off. Mike.
MR: I want to talk to you Andrew. I have no problem talking to you.
AR: Then do it. Hang up. Talk to me.
MR: I will talk to you, but I’m not going to talk to you with an audience.
CR: I’m staying here.
AR: I got that.
MR: I’ll talk to you and T. I’ll talk to you and T.
AR: Good then lets do it.
MR: Bye John.
And this is the incident scientology has used to broadly smear me as a “lady killer” and “wife abuser.”
But while doing so, they have utterly failed to address the damning facts that are exposed in Going Clear.
Soon, people will be able to see the film for themselves and make up their own minds. And that is what worries Miscavige more than anything.
Chuck Beatty says
what a huge painful unnecessary incident with the gang of senior Scientologists and family of Mike’s meeting with him in the parking lot.
That is a bizarre bit of “fair game” tactics that is so painful to listen to.
They scream obscenities at Mike to start off, and it is just bizarre.
One of the worst incidents of fair gaming I’ve ever listened to.
Those people will never apologize nor recognize how off their behavior was, but it would be good to see if someday, one or another of them do recant and see their actions in correct perspective.
The private eyes present, what kind of people are they? They alone I would think would find that incident one of the worst they’ve ever been hired to participate in.
The irony of Mike’s family saying that HE disconnected from THEM is hilarious – and tragic. It reveals in plain detail how far from reality those within this cult’s confines really are. There’s no reasoning with them.
Mike, you showed far more restraint than most ever could have. In a way, the LRH ‘technologies’ prepared you to deal with these cultish robots once you’d escaped their clutches!
RE “How is this organization SO rife with such terrible people?”
It’s how every other big organization, such as governments, big corporations, big institutions, are occupied by psychopaths — the evidence is OVERWHELMING and TOTALLY IRREFUTABLE (see “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room”… https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html ).
Isn’t it about time for anyone to wake up to the ULTIMATE DEPTH of the rabbit hole — rather than remain blissfully willfully ignorant and play victim like a little child?
All of these psychopathic organizations, including Scientology, attract psychopaths naturally and are run by them, of course….
Mike, You are forever a hero for your composure throughout the bizarre siege. It is right up there with a band of 2 year-olds having a “group think” tantrum in a public space. Seems poetic that this is so easily available on the internet. If South Park satirized a scene like this, one might say, “Naw, come on the writing team has gone too far.” Except this is not fiction. It really happened and it was recorded by John Sweeney in all its bizarre glory.
As a Former-In, I can’t help but suffer a smidgen of heartbreak over the fact that, while in, you have NO IDEA how un-hinged are some members of the scientology “executive strata.” It’s unbelievable. If only these individuals could enjoy the benefits of a modern science to address mental health. Oh I am so sad writing these words. My heart is officially broken. It’s like a needle in a groove, and that groove has nothing to do with helping anyone or “clearing the planet.”
Fred G. Haseney says
I’ve read your original, most important post and many of the comments. I’m so glad you’re out of Scientology. Your blogs (and I have yet to read them all), are good therapy for a recovering scientologist. I can’t stress enough the importance for ex-scientologists to share their stories as well as their post-scientology “wins” and “success stories.”
I had been out of Scientology for six months at the time of your original blog. Early on, I wanted to speak out against scientology but hadn’t found the strength to do so under my own name. So, I decided that I needed to hide behind a real “macho” person, someone with more testosterone than 1,000 men: Jenny Linson.
Because of her hair-raising, ball-busting, potty-mouthed antics with Marty Rathbun at LAX, I became “JennyAtLAX.” I started writing satire in homage to Saint Jenny, and scientology in general. Tony Ortega somehow allowed me a soapbox from which JennyAtLAX spewed.
I had my way with that wild woman, too. At The Underground Bunker, I’d make statements against active Scientologists in Good Standing and only used, word-for-word, what Jenny Linson has said in public. I used her words (especially the swear words) exactly as found online in transcripts of interviews, court documents, etc.
This all changed in March 2015, with the release of the HBO documentary, “Going Clear.” Soon, I started a blog and eventually shed the JennyAtLAX persona. Yes, I used that same soapbox, but under my own name.
You, Tony, Karen and others gave me the strength to be myself, to speak out against scientology. This is an important part of shedding the scientology skin, of peeling that stinking onion.
Fred (In scientology from 1977 to 2014, R.I.P.)
Loosing my Religion says
The obsessive attack of enemies was a hubbard psychosis. In doing so, scn dug its own grave. It would take a couple of decades of good PR backed up by real and useful community activities to improve the reputation they have made up for themselves at least a little. But their policies won’t allow it.
No matter what golden age they bring out, it will always be useless.
For years they have begun a decisive transformation towards the accumulation of money and the safeguarding of those inside. This turns them into a full-fledged sect / cult.
There are no ‘policies’ that can get them out of there.
Mark Kamran says
Every Cult has rosy beginning and tragic ending , check the history .
The tragedy preceded by era of chaos and confusion, Age of Paranoia to be followed by Age of Extinction.
This is the product cycle of Cults, unless they adopt themselves to popular culture like making Harry Porter series as part of of their teachings or move to new avenues like poultry or dairy farming.
I do not think this is the right thing to do BUT, one day it is going to happen. They are gong to descend on someone (the wrong someone) and that person is going to be armed and will snap. It will not be pretty. They will have “pulled it in” and will simply have to live with it in their next meat body.
Plain and simple, someone is going to blow someone else’s head off. Or multiple someone elses.
With Shelly gone shouldn’t that moniker be given to Davey boy?
Kettle calling the pot black?
Looking forward to the arrival of your book Sir.
LRH and DM were users. Users need productive people. Productive people don’t need users.