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Casting Problems

February 27, 2017 By Mike Rinder 78 Comments

They put out these notices fairly regularly.

A few weeks ago they were trying to cast Allen Ginsberg and L. Ron Hubbard for $200-$300/day. Seems they are having some problems getting takers as they have raised the price now to $935/day.

I can imagine that in this day and age being identified as a “face” of WTH or Narconon is not a good career choice.  And apparently the only applicants they had are english as a second language speakers. They even have to offer “gas reimbursement” which means this is being shot at Gold, not at SuMP. Apparently SuMP does absolutely nothing.

Prediction: They will come to the conclusion that the only possible answer is to use voiceovers like they do for their commercials. No “face” that can then become persona non grata for any other jobs as nobody wants a “scientology spokesperson” to be cast in THEIR commercials in case they get tainted by association.

 

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Filed Under: Public Relations Tagged With: Gold, Golden Era Productions, public relations, SuMP

Comments

  1. Blair says

    February 28, 2017 at 4:33 pm

    Hey Mike, Is that you in the new Superbowl 2017 spot, cheering in the football stands on the far right?

    Reply
    • Mike Rinder says

      February 28, 2017 at 6:20 pm

      No — are you trying to get people to watch the ad or something?

      Reply
  2. macycarew1 says

    February 28, 2017 at 12:16 am

    The saddest part of this is that some actor, who is trying to make it, will take this job. The overwhelming majority of people you see on screen don’t make very much money and they are often unemployed. They only get paid if they get called which often is not on a consistent basis. Someone without a SAG card would love $935 a day no matter who they are playing. And while more and more people each day learn about the abuse in Scn, many if not most of the average folks you meet will only know two things about the Church. 1) that it’s a cult, and 2) Tom Cruise is in it. Not much else. The applicants trying out for this gig, might not know who LRH was at all.

    Reply
  3. RedShoeLady says

    February 28, 2017 at 12:03 am

    Mike thanks for doing this. It’s not easy I’m sure. Hope you have & will save many due to your hard work & dedication. I’m going to go tell Tony Ortega the same thing. Hug Leah for me when you can. Xxoo Blessings to you all.

    Reply
  4. Jen says

    February 27, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    No foreign accents. Does South Philly count?

    Reply
  5. clearlypissedoff says

    February 27, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    Excuse my ignorance, but how does Allen Ginsberg relate to LRH or SCN that they want to have an actor play a part about him?

    Reply
    • Lawrence says

      February 28, 2017 at 7:33 am

      I have learned that I no longer react when people criticize Scientology. I was never this way when I believed the church was helping me in some way. There is so much evidence of the Church of Scientology’s crimes that it undoes any good and progress they might make in the world. “You can’t be a drug addict and a healthy person at the same time”. The same is true of this church. A criminal organization cannot at the same time have real employment opportunities to offer people. 🙂

      Reply
  6. Liz Breckow says

    February 27, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    Off topic (I no longer feel comfortable shorthanding it to OT) but caught the new Scientology enemies list over at the underground bunker. Congrats to all so labeled- could there be a better measure of the difference you’re making, one and all? Particular compliments to Mike Rinder for having the least ‘police lineup’ photo.

    Reply
    • Mike Rinder says

      February 27, 2017 at 8:34 pm

      Well, I wouldn’t get too excited about that photo… Doesn’t look any different than anyone else’s to me.

      I did note though that they had a VERY hard time trying to make Leah look unattractive….

      Reply
      • Liz Breckow says

        February 28, 2017 at 2:14 am

        Yeah, pretty obvious attempt at presenting ‘the enemies’ as inherently angry, especially considering most anyone interested has seen their pictures and videos in other venues. Maybe because my husband has a killer deadpan look but you come across (to me) as laughing inside. Also maybe because I like that idea.

        It’s difficult to understand how Scientology cannot understand that this kind of stuff actually works against them for anyone with a healthy mind.

        Reply
        • Aquamarine says

          February 28, 2017 at 7:58 pm

          Scientologists have been trained to evaluate people in very simple, kindergarten-style, hero/villain, black/white, good/bad, safe/dangerous terms.

          There are no nuances. Its identity-think all the way, and the photographs of people the cult publishes bears this out.

          To know whether Scientology approves of a person, just look at the photo and that will tell you all you need to know, if its been issued by Scientology management.

          Good person =attractive, happy, smiling, clean, well groomed, prosperous looking person.

          Bad person = unattractive, unhappy, scowling/ fearful looking, dirty, disheveled, disreputable-looking, criminal-looking person.

          Its simplicity itself.

          Reply
    • Jens TINGLEFF says

      March 1, 2017 at 1:29 am

      Seconded!!

      Brava and Bravo to all ex-victims speaking up.

      Reply
  7. RK says

    February 27, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    Non-union….fail.

    Reply
    • Mike Wynski says

      February 28, 2017 at 9:31 am

      RK, that is the Union’s fault for making it too difficult to join… I am SURE that all those applying to work for the devil (scamology) would LIKE to belong to the Union.

      Reply
  8. ed kette says

    February 27, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    Mike, Does the LRH impersonator has to be left handed? Because most LRHs photos are with him using his left hand for supporting his chin or handling (before Clearing) the globe!

    Reply
    • Mike Rinder says

      February 27, 2017 at 4:55 pm

      He was right handed

      Reply
    • WhatAreYourCrimes says

      February 27, 2017 at 9:37 pm

      Good God, those photos of LRH are sickening, aren’t they? There is one particular photo of that gross conman holding a feather quill pen that stands out in my minds eye. What a buffoon. To think some people actually salute that POS (piece of ****).

      Reply
    • nomnom says

      February 27, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      According to one of those Ron bio books, those LRH photos are self portraits – selfies with a camera with and timer.

      Reply
      • Gravitysucks says

        March 1, 2017 at 10:24 am

        Selfies!! He was so ahead of his time!!

        Reply
  9. jgg2012 says

    February 27, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    Isn’t Shelly available?

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      February 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm

      Nah. And don’t you ever ask again…

      Reply
      • WhatAreYourCrimes says

        February 27, 2017 at 9:31 pm

        jgg2012, YOU DON’T HAVE THE RANK TO ASK SUCH QUESTIONS!!!!!

        Reply
    • Aquamarine says

      February 28, 2017 at 8:05 pm

      Jgg2012, who gave you the fucking rank to ask about Shelley?

      Sorry, Tommy, I tried. Coming from me, it’s just not the same. Please come back, Mr. Davis. We need you!

      Reply
  10. PeaceMaker says

    February 27, 2017 at 1:30 pm

    Mike, are they still advertising the Ginsberg and Hubbard roles, but now at increased pay, or are they just advertising the two “interstitial host” presenter roles shown at the higher rate?

    It wouldn’t be surprising that they are looking for better talent for key speaking roles, and willing to pay more. You might say that they are looking for someone to do what was done by then-Scientologist Larry Anderson on the old Orientation film, who nonetheless did a rather stilted job of it in spite of having a good number of acting credits to his name, and then exemplified CofS’ typical problem with in-house film talent by eventually blowing:

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/larry-anderson-star-of-scientologys-orientation-film-wants-his-money-back/1067720

    Reply
  11. Susan says

    February 27, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    Oh boy, Scientology is making movie stars. My stomach is turning.

    Reply
  12. Zola says

    February 27, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    Monique Yingling for LRH.
    It’s almost like a TR drill: “Put down the muffins and get over to makeup.”

    Reply
  13. I Yawnalot says

    February 27, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    I got an idea. Why don’t they strut their stuff as a cartoon? They have the script down pat and I’m sure RB wouldn’t mind helping ’em out.
    But then again they’ll probably still have a hard time… you know, Goofy does has standards and Elmer Fudd will probably turn down the LRH part, because, “that’s all folks.”

    Reply
    • alcoboyy says

      February 27, 2017 at 10:13 pm

      They don’t want people laughing at it.

      Reply
  14. jim says

    February 27, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Gosh. You might guess that no one wants to be imaged as:

    A mad scientist torturing a tomato with an electro psycho meter, or
    A robe-clad decrepit old man at a manual typewriter, or
    A stained toothed wanta-be commode chief. or
    A source of what-has-become in 65 years a reviled cult ?

    Reply
    • Gravitysucks says

      February 27, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      Big loud laugh for Tortured tomato!!

      Reply
  15. Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht says

    February 27, 2017 at 11:53 am

    Miskinflint outed as a rotten cheapskate yet again. Even J Paul Getty wasn’t this stingy.

    Reply
    • WhatAreYourCrimes says

      February 27, 2017 at 9:40 pm

      “Miskinfint”. Ha, love it!

      Reply
      • WhatAreYourCrimes says

        February 27, 2017 at 9:42 pm

        I mean “Miskinflint” … laughing so hard I mis-typed.

        Reply
  16. McCarran says

    February 27, 2017 at 11:40 am

    Why not use Bodhi and Jenna Elfman. Those soulless minions are in it for the long haul. Or maybe even Travolta and Cruise. Two more soulless minions.

    Reply
    • Liz Breckow says

      February 27, 2017 at 1:16 pm

      It does make me wonder if the decision to not go celebrity is on Scientology’s part due to worry about very public fallout if they later leave (see Jason Beghe) or if their celebrity members are just not willing to put that much on the line.

      Reply
      • PeaceMaker says

        February 27, 2017 at 3:29 pm

        I am noticing that the celebrities are less in evidence these days, and I suspect that’s no accident, probably spurred on by a combination of their increasing discomfort with Scientology’s public profile, and advice from their publicists. Even Cruise and Travolta have given Scientology only very lukewarm endorsements lately.

        Reply
        • WhatAreYourCrimes says

          February 27, 2017 at 9:59 pm

          What $cientologists were at the Oscars last night? I tuned in late, but I definietely did not see Tom Cruise. Was he there?

          Reply
    • Newcomer says

      February 27, 2017 at 1:46 pm

      Don’t forget Krusty! And Greta Van Susteren may be looking for a new job as well!

      Reply
      • McCarran says

        February 27, 2017 at 9:01 pm

        Happy Belated Birthday Cooper! Wishing you your best year of all! ?

        Reply
        • Newcomer says

          February 28, 2017 at 1:32 am

          Thanks Mary! My cousin came out from Albuquerque and we all had dinner with Mom. She decided to cook and made us a mexican casserole and baked a chocolate cherry cake for the b-day event. (She will be 96 this June)

          We woke up to a dusting of snow this AM and thanked our lucky stars about how happy life is these days!

          Reply
      • Aquamarine says

        March 1, 2017 at 3:51 am

        Greta Van Cistern.

        Reply
  17. zemooo says

    February 27, 2017 at 11:38 am

    Yeah, they’ll use voice overs and back of the head shots. Three feet back, of course. The NDA for anyone taking on this job will 50 pages long, much longer than any dialog.

    Maybe they can hire Mel Gibson to do his ‘hacksaw ridge’ treatment of Lron’s Navy life. They can call it “Sinking Subs with Blimps’. Or something equally accurate. Except for the subs, they will have to be CGI in. Just like they were in Lron’s mind.

    Reply
  18. Murray Luther says

    February 27, 2017 at 11:02 am

    The thought of of Allen Ginsberg getting depicted in a movie about LRH certainly made me Howl. Must be from the chapter, “Hubbard, the Beatnik Years.” Crazy, man.

    Reply
    • nomnom says

      February 27, 2017 at 9:50 pm

      Time to pull out the bongos!

      Reply
  19. alissa mower clough says

    February 27, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Yeah, someone who a) knows Alan G. and William Burroughs well enough to play them, and b) hates drugs. Well, maybe they could have gotten away with this back in the Eighties. But not now.

    Reply
  20. imalrightitstherestoftheworld says

    February 27, 2017 at 10:24 am

    Laughing wonder if JAW went to a casting ? LOL

    Reply
    • imalrightitstherestoftheworld says

      February 27, 2017 at 10:25 am

      Aka Colette Malette

      Reply
    • Mrs. B. says

      February 28, 2017 at 3:03 am

      Don’t give him any ideas …

      Reply
  21. Marie says

    February 27, 2017 at 10:23 am

    Why do you suppose they “cannot have an accent” for this part?

    Reply
    • Liz Breckow says

      February 27, 2017 at 1:23 pm

      To avoid giving the impression that Scientology is increasingly dependent for third world and other desperate peoples for new members? Generally marketers try to identify their product with the socioeconomic/ethnic/gender they are trying to attract. So I assume that’s what’s going on.

      Reply
      • sky says

        February 28, 2017 at 6:24 pm

        Thank you, Liz!

        Reply
  22. Chee Chalker says

    February 27, 2017 at 10:07 am

    I’m surprised Bodhi Elfmann hasn’t jumped at the Allen Ginsberg role
    I mean…..how busy can Bodhi be?

    Reply
  23. Bruce Ploetz says

    February 27, 2017 at 10:04 am

    These are speaking parts, seemingly destined for an IAS flavored video and not the biographical March 13th event. Probably for the Maiden Voyage IAS Night or maybe even the Saint Hill IAS event.

    It is truly appalling that they cannot simply film some real Volunteer Minister organizer or Drug Rehab presenter. Such critters do actually exist. They don’t actually do any good, and they are very few. Maybe the real ones are so hokey there is no way to make them look good on TV.

    Or the word has gotten out about how the Gold film crews fake it. So, might as well fake it 100% with pro actors and not pay all those travel fees for sending out the Gold film crew.

    Or maybe some Gold film crew has escaped! And they don’t dare send any more! Recently missing Gold staff, please speak up if you are reading this!

    Or they need pro actors so they can use the footage a year from now when all the currently active IAS sponsored agents are all featured on “Aftermath”.

    Reply
  24. Valerie says

    February 27, 2017 at 9:57 am

    So..they are willing to pay someone 19 weeks of full Sea Org pay (as if anyone in Sea Org truly got full pay every week) and gas to drive to the location rather than risk using one of their own who will then escape. Is it the foreign accent problem–no one speaks English? The malnutrition, they are all so underfed? The knowledge that they won’t be there and will be speaking out against them by the tine the film is released? Or are there really no bodies on staff?

    Reply
    • WhatAreYourCrimes says

      February 27, 2017 at 9:47 pm

      19 weeks of Sea Org pay… your comment really sends home a message. I hope one day the slaves rebel, like a Spartacus uprising or something.

      Reply
  25. secretfornow says

    February 27, 2017 at 9:52 am

    I know! Let’s get our Crack Eval Team on this.

    Existing scene: we have to keep re-shooting all of our films, commercials, promo

    Situation : (Most Major departure from the ideal scene): in-house scientology staff actors keep blowing and turning out to be SP enemies of scientology/mankind.

    why: … …..the OT levels don’t make magical beings, abuse tolerance has its limits, Hubbard was a liar from the get-go.

    “huh? really? …oh wow……”

    Int Bulletin ORDER: No more Evals allowed. Eval tech wasn’t LRH but the work of SPs. All of our crack evaluators turn SP and blow.

    Reply
  26. Victor says

    February 27, 2017 at 9:40 am

    They almost ready to cash out a union pay. Can they just pick someone up from CC for free? Or real actors don’t go there anymore?

    Reply
    • Newcomer says

      February 27, 2017 at 10:09 am

      They have to go outside the Cult Victor because all still-ins are fake actors. Real ones are posted on the Cults new hate site which can be seen on TOs blog today.

      I doubt the cherch realizes it but pretty soon those at the kool aide stand might get the idea that the A-Listers are growing faster than they are.

      Yo Dave,
      The bleeding continues good buddy. Each day more of Your sheeple grow disenchanted. I will be meeting with some over the next few weeks leading up to Your March 13 debacle. Do you really have any idea how many Cult members of Yours work very hard on having an acceptable excuse to NOT ATTEND?

      I’ve got an idea …………. why not threaten them with ethics interrogations if they don’t show! Oh ….. I just found out you already do that! I’m sure you will come up with some other plan…………Hey, why not pay them to attend ……………. You could do a casting call for extras to boost seating. Oh ……You do that too! Well, only You can solve this good buddy so get on it.

      Reply
      • WhatAreYourCrimes says

        February 27, 2017 at 9:50 pm

        The pressure is surely on that little twerp. I am absolutely enjoying watching this slow motion train wreck. Let’s increase the pressure everyone!

        Reply
    • alcoboyy says

      February 27, 2017 at 11:04 am

      You got it right. Real actors don’t go there anymore.

      Reply
  27. Mat Pesch says

    February 27, 2017 at 9:32 am

    It would probably be easier to cast someone to represent the KKK. The American public are wise to Scientology, it’s abuses, and anti social qualities. Soon the message will reach even the most primitive tribes in the far reaches of the Amazon. Scientology was correctly labeled by Time magazine as “The Cult Of Greed”.

    Reply
    • Alex De Valera says

      February 27, 2017 at 11:47 am

      The Holy Trinity of Scientology is all contained in one The Title, the definition and the ultimate truth all in “The Cult of Greed” that is why I very rarely call it anything else. Religion? Faith? New Religious Movement? No Sir! none of that, but I forgot, perhaps I am not worth of credit because I am a “anti-religious bigot” Hallelujah I must have awakened the wrath of the Lord of Hemet.

      Reply
  28. LostControl says

    February 27, 2017 at 9:23 am

    Screen Actor’s Guild daily pay rate is currently $933/day. If you’re expected to drive way out of town for a shoot the performers also expect tone provided with a ride, or to be compensated for mileage. Scientology isn’t stupid, they wanted non-union members so that they could pay much less than base rate. But actors aren’t going to chance ruining their careers for 1/3 base salary. At least now Scientology is offering the bare minimum.
    Its pathetic that Scientology has billions of $$$ but won’t even pay minimum wages to have someone portray their magnificent leader. You’d think they’d pay whatever it costs to find the best man to portray LRH – but once again Scientology (well, DM actually…) shows his true colours here.

    Reply
    • Newcomer says

      February 27, 2017 at 10:13 am

      And that is why the RTC chooses BLACK for its uniform color of choice. When dealing with the RTC/Dave (the dildo) Miscavige it is ALL BLACK.

      Reply
    • Alex De Valera says

      February 27, 2017 at 11:51 am

      The Cult of Greed is ready to pay millions but only in PIs and fancy attorneys, look at the Rathbun case in Texas or the MacPherson case, the following of Pat Broeker for twenty years!!!!

      Reply
    • WhatAreYourCrimes says

      February 27, 2017 at 9:55 pm

      I don’t know why they even need to cast an actor as LRH. Philip Seymour Hoffman already nailed the part.

      Reply
    • Gus Cox says

      February 28, 2017 at 12:54 am

      That shithole in Hemet is definitely out of the TMZ, so just adding mileage is pretty weak – and it’s not even mileage, just “gas reimbursement.” And $900 bucks is for background performers, not principals. This is still crappy pay.

      Reply
  29. Mike Wynski says

    February 27, 2017 at 8:59 am

    That they are having THAT hard of a time in CA is REALLY damning as the Sec State there recently revealed that only 49% of the work force is employed there.

    Reply
  30. john johnson says

    February 27, 2017 at 8:58 am

    I take it SP’s are not welcome to apply.

    Reply
    • alcoboyy says

      February 27, 2017 at 11:05 am

      It seems like, at this point, that ANYONE is allowed to apply.

      Reply
      • I Yawnalot says

        February 27, 2017 at 12:18 pm

        Is this such a thing as the Apostates Actors Guild? There may be rules.

        Reply
        • Dawn says

          February 28, 2017 at 3:01 am

          Oh, god, I Yawnalot, that’s funny.

          Reply
  31. Barbara says

    February 27, 2017 at 8:48 am

    I’m surprised they don’t just grab one of their minions and force them to do it! Or are they all too busy trying to repair the flooding damage that they brought on again?

    Reply
    • Valerie says

      February 27, 2017 at 9:49 am

      @barbara They can’t do that because anyone who is in has a great chance of leaving and once they are out they may become vocal critics and then the whole sequence would have to be redone.

      Better to choose someone they haven’t abused with no knowledge of scientology so they have someone who looks reasonably well fed and rested who hasn’t forgotten how to pretend to be enjoying themselves.

      Reply
      • Newcomer says

        February 27, 2017 at 10:14 am

        ” Better to choose someone they haven’t abused …..”

        That is an increasingly rare commodity Valerie!

        🙂

        Reply
      • thegman77 says

        February 27, 2017 at 10:21 am

        Is there any reasonably intelligent person in the US who has NOT heard the negativity of scio? Perhaps the only person left to do this is…..Slappyi Misk himself!!! Nah! Too much of a coward to ever show up in public again. And by public, I hardly mean the meaningless 3 hour appearances at new building dedications.

        Reply
      • Barbara says

        February 27, 2017 at 11:25 am

        Hmmm. Never thought of that. They have kind of painted themselves into a corner, haven’t they?

        Reply
        • Newcomer says

          February 28, 2017 at 1:40 am

          Especially with Dave’s SuMP. Cameras and all ready to roll but nothing …………..absolutely nothing they can cob together to create a production.

          Before this is over I would not be surprised to find out that See Oh Bee has sublet the sordid mess to Marty Rathbun so he could do political commentary and argue the merits of global warming and climate change to anyone left who might listen.

          Reply

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