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Give Ireland Back to the Irish

September 5, 2018 By Mike Rinder 103 Comments

Somehow, the ONLY people who seem to be in the Dublin “ideal org” are from other countries.

Now I will freely admit that I love to visit Ireland. It is truly a magical country and the people are wonderful.

But why did Miscavige need to plonk an ideal down there when all there has ever been in Ireland is a bankrupt mission?

And as the months go by, it is proving by its OWN promotion that it cannot get the Irish to come near its 10 million dollar vanity project. It seems the only people participating in services there are those who have been pilfered from other “ideal” orgs around the globe. Maybe their prices are good? Maybe people just want to visit Dublin? But far more people visit London, Madrid, Rome, New York  and even Las Vegas — so how come no “scienotourists” are moving up the Bridge in those places?

It’s a mystery.

This Mission of Kosice is no doubt considered to be a “feeder” mission for the “ideal” org in Budapest which is just 100 miles away. So why are their people going to Dublin?

And here is another one — this person is from JAPAN? You know there is an “ideal” org in Tokyo right?

Further proof scientology is cannibalizing itself.it used to be that the staff were shuffled from one ideal org to the next. Now it’s public too…

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Comments

  1. Dave F. says

    September 5, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    I just got a “mental image” of the diminutive Miscavige, dressed in a Leprechaun outfit . . . LOL !

    Dave F.

    Reply
    • Ann Davis says

      September 6, 2018 at 10:32 am

      Thanx Dave! Now I’m gonna have nightmares! Lol ?

      Reply
    • Komodo Dragon says

      September 9, 2018 at 3:02 pm

      Wasn’t there a movie about a psychotic, evil Leprechaun made several years ago? We should check the credits, see who was cast as the Leprechaun.

      Reply
  2. peterblood71 says

    September 5, 2018 at 9:22 pm

    I lived near Dublin in a town called Dalkey for almost a year. It’s a wonderful country and I can tell you the Irish ain’t stupid to fall for such an obvious money-scamming cult. They won’t be in no Idle Morgue kissing no LRH Bullsh*t Stone.

    Reply
  3. Mel Be says

    September 5, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    “I know that I know”. OK

    Reply
  4. lynda castell-blanch says

    September 5, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    Yes, it appears the main goal of going clear, is so you can help others go clear…..keep the money rolling in.

    Reply
  5. darriddle says

    September 5, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    In my opinion it’s no longer about “clearing the planet”. The top priority is getting rid of money to comply with tax exempt status. I think we are going to see more bizarre and outrageous spending that doesn’t make sense to anyone.

    Reply
    • Xenu’s BT says

      September 5, 2018 at 6:45 pm

      Holy Xenu! Did anyone catch the oriental woman / girl with the Clear Cert?

      She is clearly wearing glasses!

      ?

      Reply
    • ctempster says

      September 5, 2018 at 6:51 pm

      dariddle, you just solved the riddle. Yes, it is not about clearing the planet. It is about spending the money to comply with tax exempt status. Further, if you open the Idle Morgues in far away places from where the majority of Scns live, they won’t be there to first hand see that it is an empty facade. All they’ll see are the smiling imported faces on ribbon cutting day. And they’ll just dub in (imagine) that it is full to the brim with eager public and staff instead of the staff and public shell game that it is. Thanks for this important article, Mike.

      Reply
  6. SILVIA says

    September 5, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    Sounds like an outer Org trainee, she housed there and completed up to Class IV. This lady also compares Dublin with Flag, so obviously she has been there.

    Independently of that, the point of shuffling public denies, in this case, stats an income to Flag. Is like a vicious circle.

    On the other hand, having delivered her training Dublin stats went up the roof and this could be used on Miscavige next event to ‘prove’ his leadership is unique…or whatever.

    Reply
  7. WhatAreYourCrimes says

    September 5, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Racking up the failures and negative stats, MR. David Miscavige? It can’t be you, so you MUST be surrounded by SPs.

    Reply
  8. Aquamarine says

    September 5, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    “As the months go by it is proving by it OWN promotion that it cannot get the Irish to come near its 10 million dollar vanity project.”

    LOL!

    Poor Demented Midget.

    Ireland doesn’t seem to be too impressed with His expensive new “cathedral”. .

    Poor Cee Oh Bee. So much for “Build It And They Will Come” as regards THIS country.

    Proper respect is not being shown! These ungrateful wog bastards are not kissing His Ecclesiastical ass!

    Unfortunately for DM, the Irish already know what to kiss when they’re in the mood for some blarney.

    Reply
    • LC says

      September 5, 2018 at 10:50 pm

      Ballivor Says NO! Ireland has strongly protested against the infiltration of this insidious cult and their quack front groups, like the scientifically disproved NarCONon.

      Reply
  9. I Yawnalot says

    September 5, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    I’ve never been to Ireland but they certainly went up a notch in my book as a society with a moral backbone. Rejecting Scientology… splurge on it. Wonder if the leprechauns had anything to do with it? Betcha they did!

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 5, 2018 at 8:50 pm

      Oh, they absolutely did! Leprechauns told me, Just leave it us.

      Reply
    • ijustiniano says

      September 5, 2018 at 10:17 pm

      Not only scientology, but the Pope itself! Ireland has been victim of abuses for far too long. They know a predator when they see it.

      Reply
    • Alcoboy says

      September 6, 2018 at 12:15 am

      Considering that Scientologists probably believe that leprechauns are actually body thetans.

      Reply
  10. John P. Capitalist says

    September 5, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    The interesting flaw in this strategy of shuffling public to other orgs to balance out the dismal stats is this: every dollar spent on air fare, food and accommodations for someone to do services away from home is one less dollar going to Miscavige and the reserves.

    This actually suggests that the point of Scientology is complete control over members. Making money is important but being able to push people around is really the most important thing.

    That’s why I have argued in many occasions that Miscavige would be fine with 37 members as long as he has 3,000 staff to abuse.

    Reply
    • Ann Davis says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:27 pm

      That thought has definitely crossed my mind!

      Reply
      • georgemwhite says

        September 5, 2018 at 7:53 pm

        It has been in my mind as well

        Reply
      • Old Surfer Dude says

        September 5, 2018 at 8:53 pm

        I crossed my mind once. I couldn’t get it straightened out.

        Reply
        • I Yawnalot says

          September 6, 2018 at 4:09 pm

          Try pinterest, whole bunch of nifty tek there.

          Reply
    • Michelle says

      September 5, 2018 at 6:41 pm

      Another flaw in Miscavige ‘ s idea to open an org here in Ireland is, in the last census here back in 2016 there were only 87 people who identified as being a scientologist. Now there could be less because on that night everyone in the house/apartment irrespective of living in the country or not, has to be included in that census. So it would be very easy for any of the few scientologist that actually live here could have invited other members over and included them in the census.
      On a side note there are 3 brothers who are scientologist living in Dublin that are being protected by Scientology for raping their handicap sister…

      Reply
  11. Miss Q says

    September 5, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    Off Topic, sorta: Just ran across a screen shot of the Sept. 17 issue of People magazine. The cover photo is of a woman named Michelle LeClair with the HUGE headline, “MY ESCAPE FROM SCIENTOLOGY.”

    In supermarket checkout aisles everywhere!

    Freakin’ awesome.

    Reply
    • Ann Davis says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:22 pm

      Wow! I can’t wait to get it!

      Reply
      • Chris says

        September 5, 2018 at 9:58 pm

        I read about it online Yahoo had it but Here it is pretty typical from them IMO
        https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/gay-ex-scientologist-michelle-leclair-120058232.html

        Reply
    • Aquamarine says

      September 5, 2018 at 3:19 pm

      Thanks Miss Q. Can’t wait. I’ll do another grocery run tonite.

      Reply
      • Cece says

        September 7, 2018 at 1:15 am

        It comes out Friday I was told.

        Reply
        • ctempster says

          September 7, 2018 at 2:53 pm

          I picked it up yesterday on Thurs. I don’t think the church harassed Michelle for being gay. I think they didn’t want the bad PR if she lost the lawsuit that was brought against her and her partner for financial fraud and clients who were out millions of dollars because of them. I think THAT is why the church declared her. After all, they don’t kick John Travolta out for being gay or bi, and I even knew a parishoner who was OT who was gay, openly gay and they didn’t deny him his OT levels. She settled on the lawsuit.

          Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 5, 2018 at 4:43 pm

      Freaking awesome, indeed! Imagine some cult member coming into the store and seeing the headlines! BOOM!

      Reply
      • MJ says

        September 5, 2018 at 6:01 pm

        As Elron said, books make booms, but in this case it’s more like books make Ka-Boom!

        Reply
    • bixntram says

      September 5, 2018 at 4:46 pm

      How about a book report on the article, Miss Q.? I picked up a tabloid mag a couple of months ago because of the headline: “Tom Cruise leaving Scientology.” Note the absence of the verb, and possibly a question mark and the end was absent. Those rags are masters of wiggle room. But if you actually come across something worth sharing here, please do.

      Reply
      • MKM says

        September 5, 2018 at 5:17 pm

        You can check it out on twitter. It is an excerpt from an upcoming memoir.

        Reply
        • Glenn says

          September 5, 2018 at 7:47 pm

          Here’s a link to the online article. https://people.com/books/michelle-leclair-scientology-humiliated-came-out-gay

          Reply
    • Xenu’s BT says

      September 5, 2018 at 6:48 pm

      I love the fact the media always reports newsRhat members Escape from Scientology!

      Reply
    • Ann Davis says

      September 5, 2018 at 8:05 pm

      I see she has a book out of coming out titled “Perfectly Clear” .

      Reply
    • Miss Q says

      September 5, 2018 at 8:51 pm

      Evidently she came out as gay and the church didn’t like that much–despite her big donations. But even if people don’t read her memoir, they’ll see the blazing headline! 🙂

      https://people.com/books/michelle-leclair-scientology-humiliated-came-out-gay/

      Reply
  12. Rip Van Winkle says

    September 5, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    It’s like every single part is a lie.

    They don’t need an org there – there is no demand.

    Now that they ARE there, they are not attracting new clients , – they are operating from programs written specifically to go steal any person available from any location and get them to do services for the exact purpose of making it appear as if the org is needed and is flourishing by its own devices…

    and of course, there’s no such thing as a clear!

    The whole purpose is to trick people. And those who know will have it all justified as being the greatest good.

    …….
    it’s nice to feel more and more separated and apart from all of this …

    Reply
  13. PeaceMaker says

    September 5, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    Those two accounts, particularly the first one, look to me as if they may actually be from staff, who presumably would have from other countries to open the org, now getting training – which they may have time for in that org, if they have few public to serve.

    I’m starting to wonder if Miscavige didn’t open the org, in part because the impending failure of the Dublin mission meant that Scientology was about to be left without any presence in the country. That would amount to overkill, but then again things like that are being done these days. There may have been other strategic or financial reasons as well, as has been discussed, but I wonder if there isn’t some stupidly simple impetus like that behind the Firhouse org.

    On a related not, it would be interesting to figure out how many countries less important to international management, once had a mission or a claimed presence, but now have none at all.

    Reply
  14. bonkers in yonkers (@jimpjorps) says

    September 5, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    Maybe they’re specifically trying to train English-language auditors, because they see the eventual writing on the wall and are preparing for the situation where the only scientologists left are a couple hundred dead-enders huddled in Clearwater.

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 5, 2018 at 1:23 pm

      What a beautiful scenario. Dead-Enders huddle in Clearwater. Now that brightens up my day!

      Reply
    • Alcoboy says

      September 6, 2018 at 12:17 am

      I can guess the main agenda for Maiden Voyage 2019: Release of the Basics Books And Lectures in Irish Gaelic.

      Reply
  15. Michelle says

    September 5, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    I’m Irish and I’m from Dublin and I can tell you why no one is taking scientology up on their “offer’s” of free events.
    We don’t trust. We had one of the biggest scandals here in Ireland with the Catholic Church, apart from priests molesting children we also had Christian brothers schools for boys where the Brothers would use whatever they could lay their hands on to beat the children they deemed were being “bold” and if they couldn’t find anything quick enough they would slap/punch those children. The girls were taught by nuns who were just as viscous as the Brothers, I once had the led end of a pencil stuck into my arm so hard the lead broke off in my arm and I needed a doctor to take it out.
    Then there is the Mardalene laundries, not only the treatment of the girls who were sent there because they were pregnant out of marriage but now it has come to light that a lot of those babies were taken from their mothers and illegally adopted to couples outside of Ireland.
    We have no reason to trust the religion we were brought up with and having a “religion” that offers free stuff for no reason makes our suspicion rise. There is another thing Scientology never took into account about Ireland, it’s not classed as a church it’s classed as a business because it hasn’t and won’t get either religious or charity status here in Ireland.

    Reply
    • MJ says

      September 5, 2018 at 1:17 pm

      Smart girl.

      Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 5, 2018 at 1:28 pm

      Keep up your great work, Michelle! This was an awesome post!

      Reply
    • Aquamarine says

      September 5, 2018 at 3:23 pm

      Great comment, Michele.

      Sounds like the Irish already know what to kiss when they’re in the mood for blarney 🙂

      Reply
      • Alcoboy says

        September 6, 2018 at 12:19 am

        Spot on, Aqua! Kiss the Blarney Stone and not Miscavige’s ass!

        Reply
        • Aquamarine says

          September 6, 2018 at 4:09 pm

          🙂

          Reply
    • Xenu’s BT says

      September 5, 2018 at 6:51 pm

      Michelle – Ireland is already CLEAR and is filled with beautifully sane people!

      Spread the word

      Scientology is a sneaky evil cult that covertly destroys lives and shatters families!

      Reply
    • Glenn says

      September 5, 2018 at 7:56 pm

      Right on Michelle. Be very suspicious and never trust scams like either of the ones mentioned regardless of their status. That is the ONLY way to retain personal freedom. This is coming from someone who was “in” for far too many decades.

      Reply
    • ijustiniano says

      September 5, 2018 at 10:25 pm

      My thoughts exactly. Not even the Pope is welcome. Kuddos, girl.

      Reply
  16. PickAnotherID says

    September 5, 2018 at 12:23 pm

    I’m thinking all these “Ideal Orgs” are some kind of facade for moving money around, and making it harder to track when everything come tumbling down.

    Reply
    • Ann Davis says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:05 pm

      That’s an interesting thought!

      Reply
    • Gravitysucks says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:14 pm

      I think so, too.

      Reply
      • Old Surfer Dude says

        September 5, 2018 at 5:20 pm

        I’ll think about that. If I think too much, I get headaches.

        Reply
    • Dark Avenger says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:23 pm

      Churches aren’t allowed to just accumulate funds under the US tax code. He spends on real estate, or rather, gets his duped minions to provide the moolah for the buildings, which then later become church property.

      Reply
      • Mary Kahn says

        September 6, 2018 at 8:24 am

        Exactly. More donations for no service but the church ends up with an asset and not hoarding money at the same time. Gotta hand it to miscavige and his lawyers – figured out a way to scam the members and the IRS 501c3 recs at the same time.

        Reply
  17. Xenu's Son says

    September 5, 2018 at 11:56 am

    Why scientology opened in kosice:
    http://www.reasoned.life/2018/01/hey-rocky-watch-me-open-a-scientology-mission-in-kosice-slovakia/

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 5, 2018 at 1:35 pm

      Great post! Click on.

      Reply
  18. Xenu's Son says

    September 5, 2018 at 11:53 am

    Kosice?
    i remember John Q Capitalist said there were 6 scientologist in Kosice.Wrong.there are 8.
    s://www.google.hu/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x473ee062f078b5e7%

    Reply
    • John P. Capitalist says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:07 pm

      Damn. Being off by 33% is a huge miss. Hope management at Global Capitalism HQ doesn’t find out I screwed up a number by that much. 🙂

      Reply
      • bixntram says

        September 5, 2018 at 4:48 pm

        Mum’s the word from moi!

        Reply
  19. MJ says

    September 5, 2018 at 11:42 am

    When Davy’s eyes are smiling
    Sure, ’tis like a plague in Spring
    In the lilt of Davy’s laughter
    You can feel the pain he brings
    When Davy’s heart is happy
    All the world gets dark and gray
    And when Davy’s eyes are smiling
    Sure, he’ll steal your soul away

    Reply
    • Michelle says

      September 5, 2018 at 1:34 pm

      Love the word Chang for When Irish eyes are smiling ?

      Reply
      • MJ says

        September 5, 2018 at 5:19 pm

        ?

        Reply
    • Aquamarine says

      September 5, 2018 at 3:26 pm

      🙂 MJ.

      Reply
      • MJ says

        September 5, 2018 at 5:19 pm

        ?

        Reply
      • Old Surfer Dude says

        September 5, 2018 at 5:22 pm

        Me too!

        Reply
        • Aquamarine says

          September 5, 2018 at 10:20 pm

          When we have our Cult Dissolution Beach Party Extravaganza we should sing MJ’s parodies, right, OSD?

          Reply
          • Old Surfer Dude says

            September 6, 2018 at 10:37 am

            You are right as rain, Aquamarine!

            Reply
  20. Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht says

    September 5, 2018 at 11:42 am

    The Birmingham Idle Morgue seems to have gone totally silent since Shortarse Miscavige opened it a year ago.

    Reply
    • MJ says

      September 5, 2018 at 1:18 pm

      BTs can’t speak.

      Reply
      • Old Surfer Dude says

        September 5, 2018 at 5:24 pm

        The Hell they can’t speak! They keep me up most nights.

        Reply
        • MJ says

          September 6, 2018 at 8:20 am

          Have another drink.

          Reply
        • Ann Davis says

          September 6, 2018 at 10:39 am

          OSD! LOL! ?

          Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:03 pm

      You’re not surprised are you?

      Reply
      • Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht says

        September 5, 2018 at 2:46 pm

        Count me distictly unamazed 🙂

        Reply
        • Xenu's Son says

          September 6, 2018 at 8:10 am

          Lies!!! enemy lines !!!about booming Birmingham!!!!
          The Jive Arses will revitalize it at their next concert!!!!
          Ok 0 people interest per Facebook but just wait and see!
          https://www.facebook.com/pg/ScientologyBirminghamUk/events/

          Reply
          • Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht says

            September 6, 2018 at 12:48 pm

            That makes me wonder: if a Jive Ace plays and there’s nobody there to hear, does it count as a performance?

            Reply
            • Ann Davis says

              September 6, 2018 at 2:30 pm

              ?

              Reply
    • bixntram says

      September 5, 2018 at 4:55 pm

      Love hearing good news like that.

      Reply
  21. Mary Kahn says

    September 5, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Trickle down cannalization.

    Reply
  22. kengullette says

    September 5, 2018 at 11:03 am

    I snorted coffee out my nose when the Japanese woman wrote, “I feel myself.” What the hell are they teaching in that org??

    Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      September 5, 2018 at 11:35 am

      Well, it seems a bit kinky, but, hey, who am I to judge. If she wants to feel herself up, I say go for it!

      Reply
      • Gravitysucks says

        September 5, 2018 at 2:15 pm

        Sometimes we just need a touch assist….

        Reply
        • Overrun in California says

          September 5, 2018 at 3:42 pm

          A touch assist with a happy ending?

          Reply
          • Dave F. says

            September 5, 2018 at 9:34 pm

            I wonder what an E-Meter would be reading during that ?

            Dave F.

            Reply
        • Old Surfer Dude says

          September 5, 2018 at 5:11 pm

          A touchie, freely assist?

          Reply
          • Aquamarine says

            September 5, 2018 at 10:21 pm

            Now, now, this is a family blog 🙂

            Reply
      • I Yawnalot says

        September 5, 2018 at 3:05 pm

        Ah yes, but her full sentence states she can reach anything & everything. Not really worthy of a success story but times are tough right now – we’ll take it! There… see how the world is a better place. What? you can’t see any difference? Grab a handful and find out for yourself.

        Reply
    • Peggy L says

      September 5, 2018 at 12:12 pm

      OK kengullette, I’m glad I’m not the only one who snickered at that. Geeze, who edits that stuff? Happy for her she can reach anything and everything. I never heard it called a bridge before, but whatever.

      Reply
    • Moop says

      September 5, 2018 at 12:44 pm

      I do that all the time, but you don’t see me bragging about it.

      Reply
      • Old Surfer Dude says

        September 5, 2018 at 5:29 pm

        I saw you bragging all about it!

        Reply
    • Miss Q says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:05 pm

      Brings to mind the old Divinyls song:

      I don’t want
      Anybody else
      When I think about you
      I touch myself

      Reply
      • Valerie says

        September 5, 2018 at 4:49 pm

        That’s exactly where I went with that comment.

        Reply
    • Chuckles says

      September 5, 2018 at 2:07 pm

      You’re just jealous because when she feels herself, she can reach anything and everything.

      Reply
      • MJ says

        September 5, 2018 at 2:31 pm

        I’m not feeling it.

        Reply
        • Old Surfer Dude says

          September 5, 2018 at 5:33 pm

          You’re not trying hard enough!!! Give it an hour.

          Reply
          • MJ says

            September 6, 2018 at 8:19 am

            Still not feeling it.

            Reply
      • Moop says

        September 5, 2018 at 2:46 pm

        So can I. But it’s because I have long arms, so don’t be too impressed.

        Reply
      • kengullette says

        September 5, 2018 at 3:02 pm

        You guys be crazy. Ya’ feel me?

        Reply
        • Old Surfer Dude says

          September 5, 2018 at 5:38 pm

          Straight Outta Compton.

          Reply
        • Peggy L says

          September 5, 2018 at 7:39 pm

          You betcha kengullette, and you reached me and everything 🙂

          Reply

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