This is another of those Hubbard statements that is accepted as fact because it makes those in the bubble feel good.
He said this 50 or more years ago. They have never approached running anything at all, and today are even further away than they were when this statement was made.
But the loyal sheeple repeat it as if it is true and is going to happen. Because everything Hubbard says is true.
Sacramento, the seat of Government of the largest economic state in the nation, remains a small and failing org, despite the fact they got a new building a decade or so ago. They, like all the other “ideal orgs” are going nowhere. But they continue to kid themselves that they are. I get if you polled all the politicians in Sacramento about what they know about scientology, the vast majority would know nothing other than “Isn’t Tom Cruise in that?” or “that show with Leah Remini really made clear how dangerous they are.” Not a single one would talk about the benefits or programs of scientology in any positive way.
The delusion is deep in the scientology bubble.
Heard something funny in a sad way today – “QAnon is basically Scientology for Hillbillies.”
It is also sad to see what may be a nice human lured astray by huge complicated lies.
Atlanta org parking lot at the noon hour, eight cars. I think one is the yellow van, and one may be parked overnight all the time.
I drive by the Sacramento Org every morning, as I work a few blocks away. There’s never anyone in there, and the plywood has only recently come off the windows. They don’t help the homeless folks milling about outside on the sidewalk or downtown area. I’d love to rent the bench ad out front and put the Clear Cognition on it. I don’t think they’d notice!
It’s time… TO GET THAT UNIFORM DRY CLEANED!! DUDE!!!!?!
It’s time… to cross your arms and assume the “Staff is Cool” pose. Oops, this one didn’t do that.
It’s time… for your sec check! Soon the smile will be gone.
It’s time… for your comm ev. You got covid and you are out ethics because you didn’t wear your gloves everywhere you went.
It’s time… to confront the fact that lrh was a homophobe, amongst other things.
So many of these quotes were trotted out with regular monotony on org promo, at events and fundraisers – designed to whip attendees up into a frenzy and part with their time/money and good sense. From the outside looking in, it’s embarrassing to admit I went along with this crud while at the same time suffering from severe cognitive dissonance because all one had to do was look around you and see it was just a bunch of BS. The one that REALLY got my goat in the end was that famous quote “from Southern Africa will spring the next great civilization on this planet” – when, in reality, our country was sinking into a black hole and fast becoming a 3rd world banana republic. What a frigging joke!
“…it embarrassing to admit I went along with this crud while at the same time suffering from severe cognitive dissonance because all one had to do was look around you and see it was just a bunch of BS.”
Shelley, don’t be embarrassed. I’ll tell you why: your common sense WON. Your observations WON.
In America today there are a number of people holding on fiercely to baseless hallucinations about the 2020 presidential elections. They can’t seem to let them go. Its very sad. They cannot confront what their own eyes and ears and basic common sense tell them. They cling to lies because facing the truth is just too painful, I suppose. They can’t be wrong. They just can’t be wrong.
These Scientologists are in the same mindset. They’ve invested so much. To face the truth, to face the actual facts staring them right in the face is tantamount to…you guessed it – being wrong. Really, its that simple. They just CANNOT be wrong. They MUST be right.
We all of us here for periods of time could not be wrong but eventually we WERE willing to be wrong. Eventually, we decided to face facts. We had been idiots. We were susceptible. We got conned. We LET ourselves be conned.
BUT!!!!!!!!!! (Throwing in a little gratuitous exclam tech here)
But…the good news is (was) that our common sense won out.
We decided that believing what we see is, as opposed to seeing what we believe was the better way to operate in life.
We here who were once in made that decision. YOU made that decision.
And we are SO much better off, mentally, emotionally and yes, PHYSICALLY for having made this decision!
For whatever reason you did it, for whatever reason it happened – congratulate yourself on choosing sanity.
All this.
Love it.
Yep.
Outstanding reply Aqua, bold, honest and thoughtful.
Well said, Aqua!
(Blushing) Thanks, Rip, Scott, Skyler 🙂
My ex boyfriend is a Scientologist in South Africa. He said the weirdest thing to me :
He said “I think the ‘church’ has missed the boat. Instead of trying to save/run the world, they should be trying to fix it caused it’s f…ed.”
So much for the next great civilization. Even a staunch Scientologist things it needs fixing.
The hardest yet most necessary thing for these folks to confront is that they’ve been betrayed on a grand scale by the one person they gave all their trust to. I wish them all well on their road to recovery, no matter how distant it might be.
Dear Bryon:
I was one of those “Tried and proven” staff members.
My dress white uniform was sent to me after I was sent off of the Freewinds to die.
I figured out that they did so for the Compliance Report photograph.
I would have looked sharp in my coffin in my dress whites and they could no doubt have scored a bunch of cash or even more staff members so that they could carry on my “legacy . Unfortunately, I stayed alive instead and ruined their plan.
For my gross Non-Compliance I was Declared Suppressive.
Anytime soon, President Joe Biden will be calling COS to take over and run the country. All hands on deck and stand by to take orders.!
🙂
I would get it if they were to take this Hubbard quote and write it off to “perhaps Ron got a bit over-excited that day.” Or “he didn’t really mean this literally.” Or if they were to hide it off with some of his more embarrassing writings such as Ron’s science bloopers about the Van Allen Belt and the Piltdown Man, his Affirmations, or his writings that seem to endorse racism and pedophilia. Or perhaps outright deny it, such as the quote most people remember him for (“if you can’t make it in writing, make a mill in religion”), or his writings on fair game that he allegedly cancelled.
So I’m amazed that they would trot out, and even promote this quote. Especially in light of the fact that in Northern California they find it necessary to promote their “services” anonymously through sites such as Craigslist, indicating clearly that they have no hope to maneuver anyone through their doors if they identify themselves clearly upfront.
Hate to break it to you, culties, but having to sneak around like that is NOT a symptom of forward progress, successful brand building, or effective PR wins. Least of all, of “running things” any time soon!
let alone an indication that you’ve grown closer toward “running things.”
A cartoon was made about this: https://youtu.be/mYvAYwpUDv8?t=3
If the universe was created from the big bang then $camology would be a quark having a small fart.
My favorite subatomic particle is the MUon. Studying scn provides a background in particle physics.
When somebody enrolls, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of their income stream.
Scribe:
“Or their lives”.
But although I was born in Sacramento, I am dead now and as such are of no use to them, which is a good thing
Looks like an advert for Slytherin.
The Universe created by Hubbard is dimming. Some might argue that it is rapidly circling the drain on it’s way to becoming a black hole and beyond our senses. Others argue that it is already a white dwarf, and the presence of David Miscavige favors that theory.
Some ‘white dwarf’ definitions: a small very dense star that is typically the size of a planet (800 times more dense/solid than earth); A white dwarf, also called a degenerate dwarf, is a stellar core remnant composed mostly of electron-degenerate matter; intense gravity pull.
There might be a giant sucking sound but they say that in space nobody can hear you scream.
The activity of Scientology is largely an exercise in delusion, so it would be impossible to expect anything but a deep level of delusion among the active members. As far as Hubbard talking about “running things”, he would have been correct if he said “running away from things”. Using “tried and proven staff members” is also as a non-starter, as these are mostly declared suppressive or deceased.
I have to say, I like the staff uniforms as these would be totally repulsive to new public. I certainly never would have gotten involved in Scientology if staff had been wearing these get-ups. Oh well, I guess Tom Cruise liked it so that’s what counts.
Dear Bryon:
I was one of those “Tried and proven” staff members.
My dress white uniform was sent to me after I was sent off of the Freewinds to die.
I figured out that they did so for the Compliance Report photograph.
I would have looked sharp in my coffin in my dress whites and they could no doubt have scored a bunch of cash or even more staff members so that they could carry on my “legacy . Unfortunately, I stayed alive instead and ruined their plan.
For my gross Non-Compliance I was Declared Suppressive.
Good going, Bill. Keep annoying the petty little sheeple and their tiny tyrant™ by continuing to thrive and prosper.
BTW, did you ever get to see your goldenrod? As I recall only your wife saw it, so she could pass the “good news” along to you.
I do not know that anyone has seen it. I am assuming that my ex wife got it as she suddenly dropped out of comm in 2015 and I have not been able to find her.
Bingo.
Unfortunately, some persons outside of the bubble believe things that are untrue,
The biggest untruth is that the enterprise calling itself scientology is a religion by any definition that wouldn’t also include the Mafia and KKK as religions.
Club Meg.
(not Club Med, because Club Meg means Club Megalomaniac, not Mediterranean)
L. Ron Hubbard appears to have been a 20th century megalomaniac as far as that word megalomaniac is meant to be used.
And the staff and followers of today’s Scientology are stuck in Hubbard’s ruts, of using the Hubbard quackery to regain their spiritual great powers, which none of them achieve.
It’s futile club megalomania.
Scientologists are playing out Hubbard’s “Typerwriter In the Sky” story on themselves, following Hubbard’s narrative for them, stuck in Hubbard’s plot theme and galactic strategies for Scientology’s saving the universe, not just earth.
They are all stuck in Hubbard’s megalomania.
Thus Club Megalomania, or Club Meg.
And I’m positive I”m just regurgitating something decades ago harsh Scientology critics have written and I just long forgot where I heard this criticism of Hubbard and Scientology.
Once I said something to Jon Atack early in the 2000s and Jon agreed, and I had forgotten I’d read this in Jon’s book, and Jon had even forgotten he’d written it.
The characterising what Hubbard and Scientologists are doing to themselves has been being noted and compared to other similar groups who get into their cult leader’s ideas and reframe the whole cult mess in words that have been long ago already framed and criticised, this just goes on and on.
Scientology is like club megalomania, following in Hubbard’s megalomania.
It’ is plodding nasty self deception with Hubbard’s back drop galactic story narrative.
“One Was Stubborn” Hubbard 1940 story deserves a great deal more exposing it’s connection to current Scientology. And where Scientology grossly fails to even achieve what Hubbard’s 1940 story cult leader guru was able to achieve.
I bet Hubbard forgot he’d written that story even, as Hubbard’s life progressed.
I again wish we had access to all of Hubbard’s case folders and all of Hubbard’s private writings to even see if he ever again made mention of his “One Was Stubborn” story with that story’s world cult guru’s accomplishments.
It’s the megalomania story for every man.
A short time ago I was considering whether at some point in his career Elron ever had thoughts of just contributing to humanity and offering something to the world without entirely being in his own self interest. After all, from the time he published DMSMH in 1950 until his demise in 1986 it seems he spent most of his waking hours working on and attempting to improve his self awareness/self improvement subject.
On the other hand megalomania is a simpler description.
from http://www.dictionary.com
noun
1. Psychiatry. a symptom of mental illness marked by delusions of greatness, wealth, etc.
2. an obsession with doing extravagant or grand things.
Good play, Chuck:”Club Meg”, emphasis on the CLUB these days.
Jere, Remember how back in the 1970s even, there were Scientologists getting back into Hubbard’s pulp writings. Well, that all led up to one of the 1980s functions of Author Services Inc, to re-discover and publish ALL of Hubbard’s published pulp era stories, including all his sci fi stories.
Well, one of those stories is “One Was Stubborn” and when I read it one day while I was on staff at Author Services Inc at that time, around 1994, in my little office at ASI, I read for the first time a huge foreshadowing story by Hubbard, of a significant part of what Hubbard was trying to do with Scientology.
Truly, truly, ex Scientologists I urge strongly to read “One Was Stubborn” it’s online in full for free, and also on audio for free.
Tony Ortega does a breakdown of the story, but old ex Scientologists ought to read it and see what else traces to today’s Scientology along the lines of the theory of what humans in the story were able to achieve one by one, by doing the guru’s teachings.
https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/
What the humans in the story were able to achieve, is fiction, but it is similar to what Hubbard thought he’d be able to achieve for himself and the Scientologists, and of course the fiction does not become reality. Scientology fails where the fiction of Hubbard’s did “work.”
Chuck – That was a VERY interesting topic from Tony (and you) and thanks for posting it! It received 1225 following comments so it was also interesting to many other people and gives an insight into the “mind of Hubbard” if you want to call it that and from where he developed his “religion”. lol
The beginning of the comments section had many replies to you and your responses which were very interesting.
The people in the bubble, the hole, the ship, are sort of like LRH’s forgotten toys. Trapped and isolated from the outside world. All they know is they are working and paying to save the planet, because that’s what they are told. So sad that they just can’t save themselves.
When you’re trapped in a whirlpool or quicksand, you need a strong connection to something outside of the trap to get out. That’s what I see the Aftermath Foundation being.
I’m sure Jere, that’s what’s so tragic about those in who are trapped in that whirlpool, or quicksand. They don’t have the time or energy to even think about anything except maybe a shower then a few hours of sleep.
LRH then and now DM couldn’t care less as long as the money keeps coming in.
I really should have just summarized that to me the treatment is just inhuman and that the justice system that turns a blind eye to it is just shameful.
In the past few days, I was thinking about Davey Miscavige when I met him on the Freewinds. Davey was a total “DUD” who could not join into a conversation or add anything to it. It really looks bad for Tom Cruise as well if he claims to be Davey’s Buddy. Scientology is now faced with at least a 35 million IT disaster which could have been prevented if Davey could talk to me. Davey figure it out. Hubbard went in the wrong direction with data. Past lives even stored in his paper data base of PC folders. It would take millions of years to clean out the files in Scientology. If they had started 30 years ago with an initial investment, they could now probably control 10% of their postulated needs. The bottom line is that Hubbard was totally wrong about the human mind, its storage and function. Nature solved the problem long before Hubbard. As for me, I tune in every night to the telepathic signals from the Marcabs inhabiting the between universes area. The real news emerges from their collective thought which appears the next day.
They’re channelling entities, not necessarily all Marcabs. I’m not sure what they do in their spare time when they’re not channeling the news.
In their spare time they have live streaming set up It can be directed at anyone or anything.
laughter!
Richard, is what you and George are talking about (ie news leaking entities) coming from hubbard or something?
Just to know.
This is all OT VIII stuff that was common in the 1980’s. One could write a book about it.
George. Ok now it all cleared. Funny humor.
Loosing – We’re just joking and being facetious. At least I am – I’m not sure about George.
(hey – I’m still joking!)
You gotta admit that in order to participate in scn for any length of time you need a bit of imagination. Likewise with giving any credence to “entities”. A scientific realist would be out the door in no time flat. I’m sure there are some scientific explanations for such things.
But then again many people believe in angels, ghosts, spirit guides, ascended masters and so on, now don’t they?
Richard got it. You funny guys. Stay well.
I blew scn around 1980 when I was living in LA and joined the Great Exodus of scios caused by the price increases. Several blown scn get together groups sprung up and I joined one. We met weekly at someone’s house and discussed other practices and listened to a lot of channeling tapes.
On one of the tapes a group of OTs had recruited a channeler and with specifics edited out they were grilling him about whether OTIII was real or not. He hedged and replied, ” Well, that is one of several possibilities . . . ” and went on to expound about other things to explore in the theta universe although he didn’t call it that.
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We were in Chicago when the prices started going up getting angrier every day. It all seems so strange now. How do you increase the price on a worthless item?
The entity the OTs were grilling went by the handle of “Dr. Peebles” and he was my favorite entity. He was a light hearted fellow and was trying to calm down the OTs and persuade them that blowing scn wasn’t the end of the world and that they still had lots of fun possibilities ahead. He said that he and some other entities would occasionally gather together to discuss how they might best impart their knowledge and wisdom to us humans, Obviously they communicated telepathically, but if I were present at that channeling session I might have asked him if they mocked up any physical appearance when they socialized. Maybe they would mock up how they looked in one of their favorite incarnations which would make the get together kind of like a fun costume party.
Another somewhat famous channeling entity we listened to was “Ramtha”. He was rather gruff and liked to say “I am the wind” which was rather grandiose imo. In one of his taped channeling sessions we listened to someone in the audience blurted out, “God Bless You Ramtha!” He immediately responded, “I AM blessed”. I guess he didn’t want to give any credit for his knowingness to any “other” entity. It takes all kinds.
I heard the rumors about all this entity stuff. Thanks for the details.
Doesn’t it appear the next day in “News of the World” or the “Enquirer”? Sorry, I’m not sure of the name and didn’t find it in my search. It’s a conspiracy-theorists’ tabloid generally displayed at the checkout counter
“It’s time, join staff”.
It was the same thing when I joined the staff in the late 80s. I had already done some shit as a kid but honestly that was really my best. And it lasted for 15 uninterrupted years.
I don’t blame them in particular, because in the end it was partly my choice and an experience that made me aware of cults and who/how people are manipulated.
But please never join the staff of a cult or movement ‘that has all the knowledge’ on how to change the world. It will only be years lost.
Enjoy life now. And each new moment is a ‘now’.
Were the “uniforms” for Ideal Org staff David Miscavige’s idea. They are another really bad idea. They look horrible.
I went to a viewing three weeks ago. The attendants at the funeral home wore similar garb.
Mary, a mole close to DM told me the uniforms were influenced by Sciendollatrust, Tom Cruise as well as the Idle Morgues.
He told Slappy Miscavige the morgues looked down toned as well as the staff. He was embarrassed to bring people in.
More flap and failure for the 3rd biggest bean on the planet.
Piltdown Man – (LOL) Your handle gave me a laugh. I might have glanced over but never read Ron’s “History Of Man” book but there are probably some other interesting handles which could be extracted from it. Off the top of my head there might have been a Thrasher, a Grinder and a Weeper or some such things. Tom Cruise could be TopClam.
Right. They most resemble the ‘uniforms’ of parking lot attendants.
Scientology is taking over the world!? Well, there goes the neighborhood; it’s time to move elsewhere. How ’bout Mars?They’ll be taking reservations for the 1-way trip within a decade, I hear. IF Ron’s data was right, there’d be the trivial “between lives” implant station, but NONE of his extra-terrestrial pronouncements have been validated, so I feel safe ignoring that one.