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Nancy Cartwright: Scientology Fundraiser

April 6, 2019 By Mike Rinder 67 Comments

Nancy Cartwright has long been a prominent “fundraiser” for scientology ideal orgs.

Not that she hasn’t given plenty of money herself. She was the single reason Valley Org was able to buy and renovate that monstrosity on Burbank Blvd that sits empty as a weekend flea market on Wednesday (every day of the week). For a long time they didn’t mention her name at all. Then she was known as “Our Royal Guv, Princess Warrior and official Valley Rockstar Goddess” and various other equally insane “titles.” Eventually she just started appearing as Nancy Cartwright, fundraising pitch woman for Ideal Orgs as far away as Columbus Ohio.

They say her net worth is $60 million. Seems a bit low. 650 episodes of the Simpsons has generated a LOT of money for her. At the outset the main voice actors were paid $30,000 but as it became a hit, the pay levels rose. This is from the Wikipedia entry:

The six main actors were paid $30,000 per episode until 1998.  From 1998 to 2004, they were paid $125,000 per episode. In April 2004 their salaries increased to between $250,000 and $360,000 per episode.  In 2008, the salary was raised to $400,000 per episode. Three years later the cast members accepted a 30 percent pay cut, down to just over $300,000 per episode.

Let’s take it as an average of $200,000 per episode for 650 episodes = $130 million. And the money continues to roll in.

Yet, instead of just paying for the renovations herself if she thinks it’s so important, she pushes other people to stretch their finances and uses her money as an incentive to get others to hand over cash: “If you give $10,000 I will give $10,000” which is the ultimate “shill” and a technique used by scientology fundraisers routinely. They effectively double the hit on a whale. And people are made to feel embarrassed about their lack of contribution when “Nancy has given so much.”

You have to wonder whether she EVER thinks about the people who stretch themselves so thin that they end up filing for bankruptcy? Or losing their home? Or being unable to pay their medical bills?

You can be sure SHE is not having trouble covering her bills. Yet, she is helping “encourage” (perhaps shame) others to give more than they can afford.

Come on Nancy, this “Match Game” stuff is gross. Why not just pop off a $10 million check and let Ventura ideal org be a “Done Sir”? If it really is THAT important?

But, just one final question.

Have you BEEN to the Valley “ideal org” ever? Just dropped in unexpectedly to see how your money has boomed scientology?

I didn’t think so. If you ever set foot inside the Valley Org they would be sending out promotion pieces announcing it for weeks afterwards….

Been to any of the other “ideal” orgs and seen how empty they are and how a new building has done NOTHING to change their non-impact on the world?

I think Nancy needs to be assigned to write on the blackboard 100 times:

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Comments

  1. Gene Trujillo says

    April 9, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    My old Seattle Org fellow staffer Mark Arnold wrote the book on the use of shills and small children to maximize profits during fundraising.

    He initially presented the Ideal Org program as a way to help the staff. Two of the largest overheads of an org are rent and would be pay if they cared about that. I think at first he thought that since he was doing the work with our public that of course we would retain ownership of the org locally, would no longer have to pay rent, and the money could be used to finally reward the staff some.

    What actually happened is that once they purchased the building, DM took ownership of it and apparently forces the org to pay rent uplines on a building squeezed out of their public (at large cost to our public I can assure you. There was some internal warfare and declares over the high price of the building). I assume that the staff are still being victim blamed and told that they just aren’t worthy of being paid because they aren’t following DM’s orders well enough instead him just robbing them and completely ignoring their needs.

    Apparently Mark got a 5 or 10% commission of the fundraising, which was a pretty large amount, so while the rest of the staff continue to get shafted as far as I have heard, it is like Mark Arnold took a nice payment to allow it to happen.

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  2. Dan Drazich says

    April 8, 2019 at 11:34 am

    That’s my sister Lisa Culen. A New Civilization Builder. How much did that cost?
    She has been in too long. Too long to get out I guess
    What a waste of good talent

    It’s a shame

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  3. Paul says

    April 6, 2019 at 11:03 pm

    I’m surprised Nancy didn’t get pissed off when they did that cult episode with the leader who CLEARLY was based looks wise on LRH.

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  4. Gib says

    April 6, 2019 at 10:33 pm

    good post Mike.

    Reminds me of Hubbard complaining about working for the pulps and writing for a penny a word, for somebody else.

    But, alas, Hubbard figured it out. He created his own game of doing the same but being the master.

    Why not create a religion where I , Hubbard, can sell my penny a word to multiple outlets. He even created the multiple outlets and called them Orgs and Missions. Leverage. Sell books, books make booms is what he policy lettered to staff.

    And he Hubbard even created his own publishing outfit now know as Bridge Publications. Leverage, which takes out the middlemen.

    Hubbard made his money by selling his words and lectures or speeches.

    DM and his lawyers are doing the same.

    Nancy is making millions by selling her voice words. I wonder how much she is making per word voiced, LOL

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  5. otherles says

    April 6, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    Now that Tom Cruise is playing a fighter pilot again has anyone played “Rock The Casbah” in front of an org?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

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  6. J.T. Marsh says

    April 6, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    Her earnings from voiceover work for the show is probably dwarfed by her earnings from merchandising.

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  7. BKmole says

    April 6, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    Nancy is like a member of the 1700s French aristocracy. Clueless to how she supports the tiny world of a dictatorship bent on leading its serfs to ruin. What happened to that aristocracy. The guillotine rang with the sounds of those who said “let them eat cake”.

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    • JVB says

      April 6, 2019 at 8:00 pm

      Best to keep away from what some might consider a veiled threat.

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      • BKmole says

        April 7, 2019 at 11:33 am

        JVB, yes good point. The line is blurred to easily when referring to any kind of violence.

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  8. Old Surfer Dude says

    April 6, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    Re: Nancy Cartwright. That’s a freakin’ stare if I ever saw one. And she looks like she’s about to pounce somebody. ANYBODY!

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  9. WhatAreYourCrimes says

    April 6, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    Ay carumba!

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  10. Old Surfer Dude says

    April 6, 2019 at 2:44 pm

    BTW, the gal from yesterday’s post should have bitch slapped that weenie of a man.

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  11. Save Teegeeack! says

    April 6, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    Mike,

    Does buying new buildings for these ideal orgs help Scientology keep its tax exempt status? Is that why, or part of the reason why, they keep doing it? Are they spending the money so that they don’t accumulate too much?

    I also don’t understand why they go on massive fundraising campaigns to open new orgs, and basically make the members pay for the new orgs (like Bert Schippers with the Seattle org).

    Is this even for tax reasons or are they opening new orgs just to give the appearance of expansion?

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    • Aquamarine says

      April 8, 2019 at 3:17 pm

      For tax purposes and as “proof” to the Whales, Celebs and Ordinary Sheeple of the “necessity” for new and more and bigger buildings, so that they keep donating more money, so that Miscavige can keep buying and renovating more, so that more “proof” of “unprecedented expansion” is provided, and so on, and so on…

      Quite the scam, and I can’t wait for them to each have their “Aha” moments. Talk about “weeping and gnashing of teeth” – LOL!

      Boo hoo.

      Each of US, woke up and saw this, acknowledged we’d been lied to and scammed and defrauded.

      What we did, these still ins can do.
      Frankly, with all the information and truth a click away, I’m not feeling too sorry for these purposefully stupidly blind jerks no matter how rich or poor they are.

      Whatever socioeconomic group the fall into, if they’re so lacking in self esteem and desperate for approval that they decide its oK to stiff their creditors, or to beggar themselves for some praise and a plaque, or to encourage other people to do all this, then they’re suckers anyway, and, if they were not in Scientology it would be someone else or some other group shaking them down.

      I’m tired of feeling sorry for these idiots.

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  12. I Yawnalot says

    April 6, 2019 at 1:50 pm

    What a sick, life altering game Scientology is, but take the money worship out of it and it would vanish like a wisp of smoke. Nancy Cartwright is the perfect example of having money does NOT mean squidly where intelligence is concerned. The Simpsons was fun when it first came out but now, like a Tom Cruise movie a quick button push on the remote removes it from my attention, Travolta rates extremely poorly in the intelligence stakes too. Scientology whales would have to be the dumbest fucks on Earth.
    “Victims made,” is their only true stat, starting with themselves. Oh boy, the self made guilty conscience hovering in the shadow of their lives… everything about Scientology has a horrible after affect, it’s only a matter of time before it bites.
    The really sad thing is, you never get the time, youth or vitality back you give to Scientology, all you can really do is move on if intelligence returns.

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  13. Chuckles says

    April 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    Does she get paid for giving this speech or take a percentage of those who “play her game”?

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  14. Peter Blood says

    April 6, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    I haven’t been able to look at THE SIMPSONS the same way since I learned years ago Nancy Cartwright was a suckered cult fool for them. Thanks for ruining that your Royal Nuttiness!

    I resent too the ridiculous revenue stream from Fox enabling her to do something she never would be able to do otherwise. It seems the primary goal of $cientology is to have members of the cult be as much like an ostrich head in the sand as possible. And real empathy a quality to be despised.

    LRH planned his cult well to counter rebellion, common sense and true philanthropy. His path for mankind is steadfastly a destructive one (with zero benefits) that must removed.

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  15. Cavalier says

    April 6, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    I am not one of those who believes in Hubbard’s Policy as a panacea. You just have to consider that in 60 years or so, these have not even resulted in the Orgs making enough income to give the staff a viable level of income.

    I still use some of it though, often for purposes the toxic Scientology Organization would not approve of.
    This is from a Policy Letter called “Look Don’t Listen” which has occasionally been referred to on this blog.

    THE SCENE IS RIGHT BEFORE ONE’S EYES.

    It is moving or it is not.

    Its graphs are rising or they are level or falling or they are false or don’t reflect the product or they aren’t kept or they aren’t posted.

    Products are appearing or they are not.

    Overt products are occurring or good products. The lines are followed or they aren’t.

    The mest is okay or it isn’t.

    It is a SCENE. It is in three dimensions. It’s composed of spaces and objects and people.

    When I was first thinking about getting out of Scientology I went outside my nearest ideal org one Saturday afternoon and watched carefully to see who was around and confirmed that it was almost empty. I can strongly recommend this to anyone who is still in or sitting on the fence.

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    • PeaceMaker says

      April 6, 2019 at 3:09 pm

      Cavalier, good points about that “Look Don’t Listen” policy – this one in particularly seems to me one that members ought to confront, and that can’t be rationalized or explained away:

      “Its graphs are rising or they are level or falling or they are false or don’t reflect the product or they aren’t kept or they aren’t posted.”

      The CofS fails critical tests on one or more of those accounts in every graph they produce, and all the ones they don’t.

      Also, in 60 years or so, the independent “scene” has not done any better over time.

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    • Richard says

      April 7, 2019 at 8:09 am

      The small mission I worked for in the 1970’s made enough income to pay the staff a viable level of income except that a big percentage of the weekly gross income went “uplines” to who knows where. I assumed it went for Scientology expansion but I guess Elron was pocketing a lot of it and maybe the mission holder was doing okay. That’s capitalism and the free market economy I guess. The people in the promo piece look pretty happy about giving away their money. Hopefully they all got a copy of the promo piece to pin on the wall.

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      • Wynski says

        April 7, 2019 at 6:53 pm

        They were franchises Richard. Sending $ “uplines” is the SOLE reason for a franchise. Therefore, your mission did NOT make enough money to pay all the staff a viable wage.

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      • PeaceMaker says

        April 7, 2019 at 9:48 pm

        Richard, was pay minimum wage or above? Was it really “viable” for everyone, or did some people have to moonlight to meet their needs, such as if they had a family?

        I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow, to consider the wasteful or even evil things that Hubbard and Scientology were doing with all the money that rightly should have gone to staff, or or provide services at fair prices that didn’t put people into debt. Some of the mission holders exploited the situation including keeping large amounts of money for themselves, while others at smaller missions, while others were more frugal or fair, so that’s not certain – like many things, it seems to have depended on where you were, when and who you were working under.

        And it’s not “capitalism and the free market economy” because they created a monopoly by shutting down competition – that could have offered similar services for less money while paying people like you better – through coercion and even violence, human trafficking tactics and exploitation of the “religious angle.”

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        • Richard says

          April 8, 2019 at 7:12 am

          Peacemaker – I didn’t hold any administrative positions so I don’t know how the finances worked. To me it seemed that an unreasonably small percentage of the gross income was distributed among the staff.

          Back then I assumed Scn was a legitimate business organization. By 1975 Hubbard had spent 25 years developing his business which was selling auditing and training and he had the right to protect his intellectual property rights through legal means. The law rightfully protects intellectual property rights.

          If I had spent 25 years developing a self improvement methodology I would have no problem suing the crap out of someone stealing it. Obviously in hindsight he did a lot more than suing.

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          • PeaceMaker says

            April 8, 2019 at 11:21 pm

            Richard, if the CofS was a legitimate business, it would have had reasonable expenses and paid staff properly – plus it was supposed to be a “church,” and even they typically pay people decently. But obviously Scientology got away with what they did, by convincing or misleading a fair number of people to think otherwise, or not to think about it at all.

            Was or wasn’t pay at least minimum wage? And did some people where you were have to moonlight, rely on spouses or whatever to live decently?

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        • Richard says

          April 9, 2019 at 10:58 am

          PeaceMaker – Miscommunication. The mission did NOT provide a viable income but IMO it could have if it didn’t send so much money uplines. In the mid 1970’s in Salt lake City there were some Scn businesses which allowed people to moonlight on a flexible schedule to supplement staff income. Also, before the Arab oil embargo and double digit inflation gasoline was 25 cents a gallon and McDonalds had a 25 cent Cheeseburger Deluxe! We got by. Working as a staff member was not always an insufferable hardship and while I was on staff I took all the courses they offered for free.

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  16. PeaceMaker says

    April 6, 2019 at 12:03 pm

    Those celebrity wealth figures are often very very poorly sourced and grossly inaccurate. Plus as far as income figures, the gross gets reduced by taxes, agent commissions, and so on, so what the celebrity actually banks is a different matter.

    Nonetheless, it seems to me generally plausible that Cartwright might well have earned in the ballpark of about $100 million, given much of it to Scientology, with around $50 million left. She could also conceivably have much less, if she’s fallen prey to typical celebrity pitfalls of extravagant spending and bad investments – and someone who’s fallen for Scientology’s pitch, may have well have also gotten into other bad deals.

    I think one of the really interesting unknown questions, is how much the remaining celebrities are giving behind the scenes. Someone like Cartwright could have given much less, or much more, than it might seem or might be guessed, and the financial involvement of Scientology’s wealthiest celebrity, Tom Cruise, is completely unknown – which brings to mind an interesting question, could Miscavige be Cruise’s FSM, and banking big commissions to his personal accounts?

    Also, looking at the bottom photo in that promo piece, I don’t see anyone who appears to be younger than about 50. It looks more like a reunion of people who did something together long ago in their youth.

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    • Robert King says

      April 6, 2019 at 8:33 pm

      Miss Cavasge doesn’t have to be anyone’s FSM to take huge chunks of $$$ . He takes whatever he wants.

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  17. PickAnotherID says

    April 6, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    As a ‘never in’, I have to admit I’m really surprised there hasn’t been more push back from active $cientologists that, “Moving up in status”, has essentially replaced, “Moving up the bridge to total freedom”. Especially when it’s obvious the “status” thing is a straight out money grab, while the “bridge” at least offered something. Even if it was a nonexistent something.

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    • Old Surfer Dude says

      April 6, 2019 at 2:13 pm

      What? WHAT??? Scientology isn’t real? It’s all a scam? I’m devastated…

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    • Richard says

      April 7, 2019 at 8:28 am

      There seems to be more levels of status than levels of “awareness” on the Scn bridge to total freedom. The promo piece shows Humanitarian, Silver Humanitarian, and Gold Humanitarian just on that level. They sure do get nitpicky. Just “a few bucks more” and you get to move up a notch. Very clever from an organizational point of view.

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      • Richard says

        April 7, 2019 at 4:08 pm

        Creating “Levels of Status” within a religion or cult is diabolical brilliance. Bleed them slowly. If DM devised and implemented it within the CoS by himself he should be acknowledged and given full credit. Televangelists and others could follow the model although Scientologists are already accustomed to approaching things in levels.

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        • Richard says

          April 8, 2019 at 7:13 pm

          Bright idea – “Levels of Status” should be added to the Scientology “Classification and Gradation Chart”.

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  18. Zee Moo says

    April 6, 2019 at 11:46 am

    I am so glad they started the fund raising with live African dancers. The dead ones just aten’t that much fun.
    Nancy Cartwright was always a shill for Lron, I have learned to ignore her and pity her. Calling her out for her antics is a social betterment program.

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    • Old Surfer Dude says

      April 6, 2019 at 2:17 pm

      Holy shit! That gal next to me is actually dead? No wonder she never said anything.

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    • Scientology Stake Driver says

      April 7, 2019 at 12:21 am

      What a freaking horrorfest scientology is. Thank GOD I never got sucked into such a miserable black hole. All you people need to get the hell out and on the way out “kidnap” any of your brainwashed family members who would be ordered to disconnect from you — and leave. Go far far away. Burn everything related to scientology. Never utter any scio lingo again.

      You’re like living prey kept alive for a fucking vampire to drain you. Sick!

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  19. Graham says

    April 6, 2019 at 11:45 am

    I stand before you an OT VIII. Still wearing spectacles. You may be asking yourself whether I might have a rather shaky relationship with that ‘power over MEST’ thing us OTs are supposed to have going. Fear not my friends. I’m wearing these specs SOLELY AS A FASHION ITEM. The eyesight’s perfect. No worries on that score. I don’t have to wear specs; I just choose to do so. Glad to have ‘cleared’ that one up for ya.

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    • Old Surfer Dude says

      April 6, 2019 at 2:21 pm

      You mean to tell me you DID NOT throw your glasses in the bin as everyone else did? You’re in trouble.

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  20. Mikey says

    April 6, 2019 at 11:18 am

    “Shame on you Nancy.” ~ Bart Simpson

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  21. Scumology Detector says

    April 6, 2019 at 11:17 am

    Those event photos of those folks getting drained by the cult vampires … what a fucking NIGHTMARE.

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  22. Kat LaRue says

    April 6, 2019 at 10:43 am

    It is baffling that people who are smart enough to gather the kind of money needed for this are gullible enough not to research what they are giving it to. Most people would at least do a bare minimum of research before sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into something- even if its a ‘cherch’.

    Im pretty sure that they must have some major inferiority complex in their every day life. They NEED the validation created by getting their pictures on a glossy ad and a printed certificate that anyone could make for a few pennies. These are the same type of people who spend thousands and thousands of dollars of unwanted wrapping paper so that their kid can win a cheap plastic toy. They completely miss the point, and see only the ‘prize’ at the end.

    No wonder these people resist seeing the truth with every fiber of their being- they would then be worse off than they were before they started down the crazy path that led them into bankruptcy.

    Kat

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    • Richard says

      April 6, 2019 at 3:19 pm

      Once clamspeak gets into your mind and assimilated, resistance is futile. (somewhat plagiarized)

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      • Kat LaRue says

        April 7, 2019 at 11:04 am

        Ill look the other way this time! lol. I actually sometimes picture them as borgs

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    • Skyler says

      April 7, 2019 at 6:52 am

      When I think back to the times I lost substantial sums of money, the reason I agreed to go for the deal without doing hardly any research or checking was really very simple. It was about my own emotions – often fear or greed or about stroking my own ego.

      Either someone put an image into my mind of tremendous riches that I would soon get by allowing them to do whatever they said they would and I went along with it hook, line and sinker so a good portion of the fault was often my own fault.
      Maybe I should explain the details. But, I must warn you this may become quite a lengthy post and it will also become very embarassing for me. I wish we had spoiler boxes here so I could put the details into a spoiler box so that people could read the details or just bypass them if they preferred.

      I’m guessing most people who read this will have heard the reason that senior citizens are often reluctant to inform the police or other authorities about incidents in which they were conned out of serious money is because they are just too embarrassed and/or ashamed to admit they could have been so stupid. But here goes:

      The first incident where I lost more than $10K was … I had just gotten a very substantial promotion and raise at the first serious job I ever had. I had just graduated from university and landed an excellent job. Three months later, I was accepted into Law School and I informed my boss that I would be leaving the job to go to Law School. He pleaded with me not to go and offered me a huge promotion if I would wait a year before going because we were in the middle of an important project and they needed my work to complete it. If I had left my job, they would have had a very hard time finding anyone else who could have completed my part of the project. I accepted the promotion and at age 21 I was earning more than most adults who were working in the organization where I was employed. It was largely a matter of ego. I was very “stroked” at the idea that I would be making more money than almost everyone else working in that org (a large Computer Center). By the way, this had nothing to do with my being conned. I will tell you about that now.

      So, there I was making a huge salary and having no idea what to do with the money. A family member told me the “smart thing” to do would be to buy a long term life insurance policy that would pay off huge money around the time I would retire. They told me they knew an excellent agent and gave me his name and number. I called him and he stroked my ego real hard telling me how clever and wonderful I must be to be making so much money. As I recall I agreed to put about one half of my salary (after taxes ) into this policy which he told me was like a “long term savings plan” but much better because I could not really withdraw any money without suffering large penalties.

      I asked him point blank, “Since I’m putting so much money into this policy, I want to be certain that I can cancel at any time and get back at least all the money I put into it. He looked me right in the eye and lied through his teeth. “Absolutely. Of course you can.”

      I never asked him for the name of the company for which he worked or its address. It turned out he did work for some large company but he also sold polices as an independent broker and I had absolutely no idea how to check on any of this. He was recommended by a family member so … I foolishly saw visions of huge sugar plum fairies and profits and signed on the dotted line.

      About a year later, I decided to just cancel this policy and take my money back. Can you guess what’s coming? I had put more than $10K into this policy over the course of the year and the company sent me a letter saying if I cancelled all I would get back would be a paltry amount and they needed me to sign some form agreeing to take something less that $100 to settle the matter.

      I was 21 years old and extremely … well … I’m not sure of the best adjective. I suppose it might naïve. But as in any kind of bank loan or insurance policy, all the interest and all the commission is paid at the very beginning which meant that all the money I put into this policy went to pay the agent’s commission and the company’s profit. I was so embarrassed and ashamed at being so stupid (but it wasn’t strictly speaking “stupidity” that caused me to lose this money in the way I did). In any case, my point is the reason I agreed so willingly to sign this policy was because I had this vision of huge profits and it was mostly about my big over-inflated ego that I agreed.

      In any case, I’m trying to make the point that people often get into this kind of trouble – in large part – as a result of their own lack of preparedness and its often due to their own emotions. In this case, it was about my greed and as I understand it, that is a fairly common emotion that leads people into big losses. Fear and Greed.

      I’m not disagreeing with anything that Kat said. I just want to add the point that victims often bear a large portion of the fault for failing to check on what they are getting into. They get some picture in their mind of being a big successful (often wealthy) and respected person and then they just go stright down the tubes.

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      • Kat LaRue says

        April 7, 2019 at 11:10 am

        Skyler,

        Thanks for the story, and I agree that many people get caught up in the moment and dont look at the long term consequences. They may even see the issues but do it anyway because of peer pressure and a need to be part of the group. Its also how many cults get peoples houses and entire fortunes. I think all of us have experienced the high pressure sale at some point in our lives, so you weren’t alone in that!!!

        Kat

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  23. Kristin G says

    April 6, 2019 at 10:36 am

    That is disturbing. Wonder how many times Nancy used Bart’s voice to whip that crowd into a frenzy?! Playing Nancy’s Game, while DM is gaming Nancy. Some fundraiser – no prizes, no silent auction? I see they like to shame some people for not giving enough, with a Scrawny bouquet of flowers!

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    • Richard says

      April 6, 2019 at 3:29 pm

      Clamspeak in Bart’s voice would be interesting.

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      • Kristin G says

        April 6, 2019 at 7:47 pm

        Yes it sure would!! There is a leaked audio to hope for.

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  24. Glenn says

    April 6, 2019 at 10:22 am

    Give $10k and reduce your taxes. The cult’s exempt status needs to be rescinded so that incentive no longer suckers donations.

    The emphasis on huge and elaborate buildings being “the way to idealism” is totally stupid. Saw one org that was forced to buy a building so large (and expensive) staff wandered around “lost and alone” throughout the day and night. This monstrosity was 85,000 sf total! 4x larger than their previous place which they couldn’t afford or fill either. That place was rented so property taxes, insurance and maintenance costs were escaped. Not so with the purchase of the larger place. There they can’t even afford to maintain the landscaping. They constantly plead with members to come help with that.

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    • Kat LaRue says

      April 6, 2019 at 2:48 pm

      Glenn,

      The truly sad part of this whole thing is that this cult has the ability to help so many. Instead they pour millions of dollars into empty buildings that don’t help anything except Miscavige’s ego. If they put even half of the money into real charitable endeavors and just let people walk away and stay in touch with family then we probably wouldn’t be having any of these conversations. That is a real tragedy.

      Kat

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      • Glenn says

        April 7, 2019 at 1:27 pm

        Kat,

        Spot on indeed.

        The cult cannot be “humanitarian” and “charitable” as Blubbard’s policy forbids giving anything away without “exchange”. “No Free Service” whatsoever. Interestingly after decades “in” I can attest the m…f….ers violated that policy constantly. How? Because, I NEVER got any promised results. Thankfully, I FINALLY wised up and quietly walked away bearing the personal guilt of having allowed myself to be duped for far too long.

        I left quietly as I was well aware of the second point you made. Had I announced my departure and maybe asked for a refund I would have been declared and disconnected totally. And maybe even had PIs on my tail for a long time. So yes, the cult does use a lot of the money gifted to it to fight enemies both in court and on the street. How does THAT constitute grounds for tax exemption???

        According to peoples-law.org the following are the core concepts for being considered a charitable one;

        relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged;
        advancement of religion;
        advancement of education or science;
        erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works;
        lessening the burdens of government;
        lessening neighborhood tensions;
        eliminating prejudice and discrimination;
        defending human and civil rights secured by law; or
        combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.

        Some of the cult’s front groups may be directed at a few of these but if the govt ever examined the facts they’d see it is all for show. Not truly for public interest; solely and only for the group’s.

        Leah and Mike are doing what’s right and I look forward to much more success.

        Thanks again Kat for being there and communicating.

        Glenn

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      • Aquamarine says

        April 8, 2019 at 3:38 pm

        Yes, its very sad, Kat, the tremendous waste of resources, all the money and property that could help so many people, that could do good in myriad ways.

        Mostly, that’s what bothers me about the money I gave. Besides being stressed about how to “make it go right” after having given (by the way, I never gave THAT much so that my bills weren’t paid – I was too selfish for that) I also FELT good because I believed the money I gave was DOING good.

        What I gave was nowhere near what others were scammed out of, but still, it was a substantial sum which could have fed a lot of people or clothed people, or them for some jobs or possibly, in the 3rd world anyway, housed people.

        But, no, it was all for nothing.

        That’s what bothers me. The only thing, really. It was wasted. I could just as well have lit a match to it.

        I suspect that precisely what bothers me is what’s going to bother the Still Ins when they wake up. Not THAT they gave, or WHAT they gave, but that, what they gave meant NOTHING, DID NOTHING good, for anyone, anywhere, who needed a helping hand.

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  25. rosemarie says

    April 6, 2019 at 10:05 am

    Those fundraisers, they used to be called “events,” but they were still always and only to raise money, and they were and they are so exhausting. No wonder their field is shrinking…everybody has to get a job now to not only pay their credit cards, but to find a legitimate way to avoid the events! And that just to stay under the radar. Ugh.

    Reply
  26. Jessica says

    April 6, 2019 at 9:58 am

    I worked at the Inglewood org and have seen how they push people into donating money to move up their status, it’s sad to say the least! While some donate millions and live in apartments and drive old broken down cars. They remind me of what they call a “trap house”.

    Reply
  27. christopher baranet says

    April 6, 2019 at 9:43 am

    Steve Brackett who was mid OT -7, and engaged to marry Nancy Cartwright, was having financial troubles with his construction company, when he committed suicide, jumping off a bridge in L.A.

    Reply
    • Glenn says

      April 7, 2019 at 12:56 am

      Too bad Nancy couldn’t of helped him out instead of throwing so much money into this cult. That would have been true humanitariuism don’t you think!

      Reply
  28. Mary Kahn says

    April 6, 2019 at 9:06 am

    Not that Tom Cruise didn’t already prove this but Nancy just proves that one can be a celebrity (or OT) and one can be in the fog of delusion (or insane) at the same time.

    This harkened me to six years ago when I was screaming from the rooftops to my son and husband and good friends that the “ORGS ARE EMPTY!” “Just go look!” and they didn’t care. Neither does Nancy. The not-so-funny part is that some see it and blame Leah, the flavor-of-the-month SP.

    Reply
    • Kat LaRue says

      April 6, 2019 at 10:52 am

      Mary,

      Its a willful blindness that they have to continue. If they actually stop and ‘see’ the truth, it would mean they have thrown their lives and money away. Sadly, many, many people are not strong enough to do that. They will have to be confronted with the truth in a way that cannot be denied, talked over, twisted to fit the cults doctrine or obfuscated. most of them are totally brainwashed and lost to logic. In time they will be forced to confront it, but some will hang on until the bitter end.

      Kat

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    • Aquamarine says

      April 8, 2019 at 3:46 pm

      Great comment, Mary. Yes, shame on you for looking and not listening. You committed the cardinal sin of observing.

      Reply
  29. Peggy L says

    April 6, 2019 at 9:04 am

    What the heck! Nancy Cartwright calling herself “Our Royal Guv, Princess Warrior and official Valley Rockstar Goddess”

    Well, I think not Ms Nancy, because there’s only one princess, goddess, who, by-the-way, is also The Queen, and it’s me! I have the coffee mugs to prove it and you ain’t nuthin’ until I say so. (it is so annoying when someone tries to take away your title)

    Reply
    • Kat LaRue says

      April 6, 2019 at 10:23 am

      Peggy L.

      Now wait just a minute!! I have the same royal mug, so back off! the crown is mine……

      OK- never mind. I don’t really want to be queen of anything. except maybe gummi bears.

      Ill be queen of the gummi bears. you can have everything else. Deal?

      Reply
      • Peggy L says

        April 6, 2019 at 8:52 pm

        LOL, sounds like a deal but I would be more than happy to share the royal duties with you. We can discuss the details over gummi bears and popcorn.

        Reply
        • Kat LaRue says

          April 7, 2019 at 11:02 am

          Deal! but I dont want only the yukky duties- like picking up the royal corgi poop!!

          or is this a trick and you’re attempting to devour my royal gummi subjects????

          Kat

          Reply
  30. Stefan says

    April 6, 2019 at 8:55 am

    The Cult can never apply the common sense policy from the Christian Bible of 10% of yr income and probably other religions, as that is from an Implant according to the Source: L Ron Hubbard.
    There we have the explanation:-)

    Reply
  31. Zola says

    April 6, 2019 at 8:54 am

    Status, status, status…it’s all about moving up in status by giving money, and more money, and yet more money. And in this ‘church’, run by Captain Tiny Fists, status is what passes as salvaging mankind. Couldn’t be crazier. Can I get an amen!

    Reply
    • Kat LaRue says

      April 6, 2019 at 10:31 am

      Zola,

      AMEN!

      Reply
    • Old Surfer Dude says

      April 6, 2019 at 7:23 pm

      Status trumps everything else. There’s nothing more important than status.

      Reply
    • Miss Dutch says

      April 6, 2019 at 9:02 pm

      Sorry, no ‘amens’. How about a heartfelt “Allelujah!!!”

      Reply

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