Some more promotion about the massive expansion of scientology that clearly states “we are not expanding at all.” (see first in this series from a few days ago)
This is the only org for “6 surrounding states” — meaning there are NO ORGS IN THE 6 SURROUNDING STATES.
This is their statement…
I assume these 6 states are: Kansas (there is another org in Missouri in St. Louis), Arkansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa and Kentucky?
Idaho, Montana and Wyoming have no scientology either — but they are closer to Portland, Salt Lake City and Denver. Then again St Paul is closer to Iowa.
What is so weird is they make this sound like it’s good news! Woohoo — THIS ideal org will serve 6 entire STATES (and meanwhile we are doing NOTHING to even try to open an org in any of those states). Can you imagine someone driving from Fargo to Kansas City to do an intro course?
Which also begs another question. The Chairman of the Bored made a big deal about ideal orgs “generating new groups, missions and orgs in their zone” — remember the little yellow arrows?
So, there have been “ideal” orgs in Portland and Seattle for years? How come NOTHING in Idaho, Montana or Alaska?
Denver ideal org has failed to reach into Wyoming, Nebraska or the Dakotas.
Dallas has failed Oklahoma and Louisiana.
St Paul has not done anything for Wisconsin or Iowa.
Nashville neglects Missouri, Kentucky, W. Virginia and Atalanta Alabama, Mississippi and the Carolinas…
Actually NOT A SINGLE IDEAL ORG ANYWHERE HAS OPENED A NEW ORG IN ITS SURROUNDING AREA. EVER.
There are huge swaths of the United States, let alone the world, that have no scientology presence.
Maybe not so cool. Not so bold. And I guess people just aren’t curious after all.
How Not to Protest Scientology
https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/19/how-not-to-protest-scientology/
The Tucson Mission is perfect to make Ideal if it isn’t already. I have not seen any updates since 2013. I think at one time they had a few students doing the comm course.
Miscavige thinks that increasing floor space will increase membership.
He must also think that creating new materials and new tech will drive up the size of the flock.
Welcome to the New Mark Ultra VIII Super Duper E-Meter having the most ridiculous specifications which are meaningless, $20 million to design, selling for $5,000.
A good Engineer could develop such a device on a napkin during a lunch break. Parts and labor cost less than $500. Unfortunately, David went to Scientology School and doesn’t know any better.
It’s all about MEST. Miscavige has disconnected from the human race.
From The Bunker:
THE BUNKER: How does the church get involved in identifying the SP that is making you PTS?
CLAIRE: It’s done with a PTS interview, where you are asked when you got sick or “roller-coastered” — had poor results in your courses — and who you were connected to right before that.
This establishes your “PTS item” — in other words, the person you are PTS to. And that person is an SP.
I would like to note that there were numerous times during the 14 years I worked at Scientology’s International Headquarters near Hemet that when staff members were labeled as PTS, in their PTS interviews the person they were found to be PTS to was David Miscavige.
And here I, Peabody, thought I was the only one.
I checked to see what I could find out about the Tucson mission.
Apparently the missionholder blew about 10 years ago, and then some of the dedicated locals committed to chipping in $100 a month apiece to keep the mission open – which itself says something about mission economics these days – until people bailed on the arrangement, too, and somewhere along the way an attempt by someone else to take over the mission failed, with the result that the mission was reported to be in the process of being evicted, with all its materials put in a dumpster.
Apparently the mission is nominally open in a newer location. But I found a recent report of a scientologist looking for services, who had no luck getting in touch with the mission or finding any time that it was actually open. Such is the state of many if not most of the missions these days.
Figures. I had more OT ability before I got into Scientology, and they took that away at great expense.
…and, thank goodness, no org in the 4th largest city in the US, Houston, TX.
Sort on a side note for Morgues: Wandered past the Launceston “Life Improvement Centre” this morning and noticed that they finally finished painting the internal walls (an unpleasant shade of light institutional grey) and stopped a few metres up the street and went back after realsing that something was wrong. Every single book, magazine, CD, cassette (yes cassettes), and DVD package on the shelves and desk has faded to sun bleached blue. The much vaunted 47X expansion seems to have missed out here. And, of course, the dump never seems to be open anymore.
A civilization without families and without critical thought, where no one really prospers and honest beings have no rights, and where man is made to swallow all Ron’s hype, these are the aims of Scientology.
LOL! But don’t forget, MJM, there’s also a negative side.
Happy birthday Mike! Although I am late.
2 unrelated questions. Love u and Leah’s show, have learned so much,will there b a season 3? Also, now that I know about the policies of breaking up families, I’m guessing Nicole Kidman has been “declared” against seeing her children with Tom Cruis? Suri Cruise? (at least Katie got her out). It’s so sad that Tom Cruise would do this to his Children, if he is following policy. Or maybe they don’t go after him as hard because he is a huge!!!! Celebrity on their side and I’m sure a huge amount of $ is given from him. I hope Scientology just does fade away one day, and all these brainwashed ppl can have what’s left of a “normal” life????
If they want to increase their org outreach, I suggest another Jenny Linson ambush. That should get them lots of views and possibly some new members who like the in your face, not turn the other cheek approach to religion.
Scientology = 10 million members
Jehovah’s Witnesses = 8 million
I live in Charlotte, NC
JW’s = 25 “Kingdom Halls” in Charlotte
Scientology = 1…in Atlanta, GA
(Just a short 4 hour car ride away!)
Is it me, or do the numbers not add up?
Right the second time, Rick! The numbers do not add up!
You live in Charlotte? I live just west of you in Shelby! We should hook up sometime!
Minnesota is a clear state!
I’m going to Kansas City
Kansas City here I come
I’m going to Kansas City
Kansas City here I come
They gotta crazy little con game
And I’m gonna get me some!
I might have to lie
I might have to frame
I don’t really give a damn
As long as I get paid
I’m going to Kansas City
Kansas City here I come
I’m going to Kansas City
Kansas City here I come
They gotta crazy little con game
And I’m gonna get me some!
🙂 I needed a little chuckle, MJM.
Outstanding post! Bravo! Nicely done!
It’s not surprising. 20,000 members world wide and dropping like a rock.
There are more people practicing Jedi than Lyin’tology. Yoda is much more likeable than LRH. Luke Skywalker is a hero while Miscavige is a cowardly thug.
LOL. At no time did Yoda ask for my credit card number.
Which is why I’m still a Jedi Night…I mean Knight.
Pray tell Jedi? I heard it was a mock religion. I guess Jedi and scn both have roots in Scifi fantasy. Makes sense.
Jedi is Star Wars versus Scifi-tology which is Star Trek.
Its ironic that some of the more “recent” actual new orgs – Mountain View, Los Gatos, San Jose – all came from what were earlier some of the more successful Scientology Missions. But Church management essentially ate their offspring – the Mission network – in the early 80’s and it has never come back from that ravaging. Ratcheting up their control of and restrictions upon missions has effectively destroyed what was once a decent feeder line for new blood into orgs. Nice going guys.
It’s an interesting point, that the last real batch of orgs to emerge, mostly came out of successful missions. I’ve been starting to wonder how Miscavige is going to keep up the illusion of “expansion” when Scientology is done putting existing orgs into “ideal” buildings in 4 or 5 years – which they claim as “opening of new Scientology Churches” – because it would be so hard now to open a truly new org, and almost none of the missions left are viable candidates for turning into “churches,” though it could be done as the CofS seems increasingly willing to do some subsidizing of marginal operations.
Also, I still think the point needs to be made, that what was going on in the late 1970s and early 1980s was a more complex situation with multiple factors at work, including the baby boom turning into the “baby bust” when every institution that depended on an influx of young adults was suddenly faced with a demographic crisis. Colleges had to shutter, youth-oriented businesses like drive-ins started to close, the military had to change recruiting policies and incentives – and a lot of Scientology’s peer groups disappeared. Scientology was hit doubly hard, because the smaller generation that followed had different interests and priorities than their predecessors, on top of it. The orgs and missions were fighting over a shrinking pie, and I don’t think it’s necessarily obvious that a different approach would have resulted in a much different outcome – people aren’t coming into the remaining missions because they’re no longer interested (or curious) about what Dianetics and Scientology have to offer, and the independents are suffering from exactly the same problems even though they aren’t hampered by the CofS’ organizational dysfunction.
Correct PeaceMaker. At the Mission level there were almost ZERO people coming in (and staying) who were born after 1959 as of 1981. In fact it was zero unless they were already connected to a scientologist, usually family. This data was given to me by a Mission Holder of a large, successful Mission in NoCal at the time. He was VERY concerned about that crashing stat for which he had no marketing answer to.
Wynski, thanks for that interesting confirming detail. I know that some of the successful California mission holders were aware that they were facing a real decline in business, that they were struggling to find ways to address, but I didn’t know that they were really on top of understanding the demographics at work – though come to think of it, if nothing else, they would have had members who worked in the real world at businesses and organizations that knew how to thoroughly research and analyze market conditions, and were on top of current trends. Meanwhile, Hubbard and the CofS seemed ignorant of external realities and taking the approach that all that was required was to crack down on suppression and infiltrators, and to double down on commitment and intention, doing more of the same (“more Scientology,” as Hubbard said) to get different results – the latter the popular informal definition of insanity, of course.
Thinking it through, the failure of the burst of independent movements of the early to mid 1980s, such as David Mayo’s, is typically and once again, blamed on the CofS’ and Miscavige’s heavy-handed actions, but likely had at least as much to do with the fact that interest in such things was fundamentally in decline. Once again, the truth of the matter is probably obscured by multiple factors at work, and coinciding events, with the popular scapegoat not necessarily being the real cause (the old problem of Hubbard indoctrinating people to look for a “who” rather than properly analyzing underlying causes). After all, Harry Palmer managed to have a fair bit of success with Avatar – by doing something more in keeping with the times, not really Hubbard’s Scientology, as did a couple of others.
Plus, it occurs to me, in another telling example, the freezone Ron’s Orgs in Europe, mostly out of the reach of CofS’ goons and lawyers, were able to use Hubbard’s “work” and try to apply fairly orthodox Scientology, picking up a lot of the former member demographic that Mayo and his peers did initially, but failing to really thrive or gain new converts. And speaking of Mayo’s peers, former successful mission holder Sarge Gerbode’s subsequent work with developing his Metapsychology and TIR (Traumatic Incident Reduction) suggest that there is very little of Dianetics and Scientology that is “workable” and provable, except for a very basic cathartic counseling technique that arguably ends up looking more like Freud and Breuer’s early work, than Hubbard’s – and which isn’t particularly more effective than various other modalities.
Good comment. Yeah, seems like the cult has been eating its own for decades. It doesn’t stop. I guess it won’t stop until the last body leaves the shop.
IMO, it won’t end until the last body is in the box. That’s approaching much too quickly as elder staff are pretty much dumped in the street once they can’t maintain their production & “stats”. In $CN, it’s “Produce or die.” all too literally.
True, that.
Jeeezus, what a waste of money!
Indeed, it’s a sad waste. As I wrote the other day, the “ideal” orgs aren’t investments so much as money pits, that will only ever sell for a fraction of what has been put into them in specialized an unnecessarily costly upgrades.
Marc Headley’s featured comment today at Tony Ortega’s Bunker mentions a detail that’s a reminder, that Scientology has actually been wrecking perfectly good houses on the periphery of its “int base” outside of Hemet, that they bought up and at one time used to house staff – apparently to create more of a “defensible perimeter” to keep outsiders away from their facility (and help in the recapture of escapees), and because Miscavige prefers a less obstructed landscape. Scientology has sunk, and wasted, probably well over $100 million in pointless expenditures on the base, that won’t be recovered whenever it is finally sold – plus much of the specialized, lavishly furnished facility apparently goes unused even at this point.
Peacemaker,
Sounds like DM has already become his own version of Howard Hughes. Except for the fact that Hughes stopped grooming himself and unlike Hughes Miscavige takes otherwise fanatical physical care of his health, the similarities to the way Hughes operated back in the day in his hotel suite and the way Miscavige operates today are remarkable to me.
Miscavige sees only his lawyers and a small coterie of staff at either Flag or, from what I’m reading, to a lesser degree lately, Int Base.
His money is used solely for the purpose of creating and maintaining a luxurious, tightly controlled, hermetically sealed existence.
No real, direct human contact with anyone outside his own tight little circle.
Why, based on this claim of being the head of the world’s fastest growing religion, Miscavige would be meeting regularly with ALL the leaders in the civilized world, all the opinion leaders running this planet. including the Pope.
He would be invited by the Queen to Buckingham Palace. Interviews of him would be in religious publications and the MSM would be inviting him on cable shows and NPR would be interviewing him.
The leader of the world’s fastest growing religion – ostensibly anti abortion, would like the Evangelicals definitely be a Republican constituency in America and all of the GOP Congressmen and Senators and governors up for re-election would be courting Miscavige like crazy for his peoples’ votes, just as they court Tony Perkins and Billy Graham’s son (I forget his name). All the movers and shakers national and local would be interested in Miscavige. He would be invited everywhere.
And yet he has no direct human contact with anyone of importance or even his own parishioners!
All he does are 6 or so event filmings, and possibly a few ribbon yankings for Ideal Org openings and to these the press are cordially NOT invited!
You can’t make this stuff up. What a story this man’s life will make some day!
Ah, that Org-Arrow-Spider diagram again: the one thing the cretinous COB missed out of it was the missions that should have surrounded each “Central Org” (he hadn’t come up with “Ideal Org” name at that stage, I guess). The missions were the main things that made Scientology expand to its 1990s peak, working on a perfectly sensible franchise basis — but Miscavige’s greed put an end to them. Quite how all the front-groups were (and are) supposed to get fresh meat flooding into orgs is a mystery known only to Davy’s tiny brain.
I think the peak was a bit before 1990. The missions were pillaged and raped in 1982. According to Marty in 1991 the stats crashed as they had burned through the people who were recruited at the missions and there was no new suckers to take their place. I would personally rate the sack of the mission system as the single most destructive act in the sad history of Scientology. But Hubbard never liked the idea of anyone making money on his discovery which is why he paid starvation wages and had a long history, both post and pre his founding of Dianetics/Scientology, of screwing people out of money or property. His avarice was excited by the wealth of the mission holders. Hubbard got the money, the mission holder got the Oder of the Boot.
You’re right about the chronology; it was Hubbard’s greed that started the destruction of the missions and Miscavige’s bullying which completed the process. What a pair of Pyrrhic putzes! 😉
actually that’s not quite right. The expanse of Dianetics/Scientology was thru Jeff Hall and Jefferson Hawkins ad campaign on TV in the late 1980’s/early 1990’s, coupled with Singer and Sterling Management thru Wise getting to persuade Doctors of Chiro and Dentistry thru seminars on how to expand their business’s and thus join into the scientology. That was a big expansion for scientology for a few years.
But, in 1991 the Time article came out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thriving_Cult_of_Greed_and_Power
And believe me, that article created more refunds and lawsuits than you care to believe. The two major hazzards of that Time Article were Orange County Org and SF Mission,
I was there on staff, it was a nightmare. SMI was going nuts at the time trying to apply LRH policy, you know PTS/SP tech on the Time Article and docs who wanted to refund.
Needless to say, SF Mission and Orange County Org are shells of nobody involved in present time.
yo Claire, are you still SMI leader?
Rathbun’s limited perspective from international management, as you express it, was that Scientology “burned through” the people who’d been brought in during the heyday of the missions – why they couldn’t be replaced, is the real question. As I’ve written about, I know that the missions (and, presumably, the orgs as well) started to struggle with recruitment when the baby boom turned to a bust in the late 1970s, and that the mission “massacre” was probably as much as anything a struggle between Hubbard’s centrally managed orgs and the independent missions over an already-shrinking demographic.
A peak demographic wave with a trough behind it probably moved through Scientology as Rathbun described it, just as the same inevitable population phenomenon was passing through other institutions in society – housing, for instance, grew through the 1980s as boomers reached the age (about 30) of buying their first home, and then started to drop off about 1990 as the “bust” trough hit that sector. In Scientology, the beginning of the demographic trough may have coincided with the mission “massacre,” but it doesn’t necessarily mean that if things had been left as they were, that Scientology would really have fared much better.
Not only was the population of prospects shrinking, but the newer generation coming along had different interests and motivations than the boomers, if not even some deliberate rejection of the values of their predecessors. Even if the missions had been left to their own devices, would they really have fared any better than drive-thrus, record stores, and Jesus Freaks? The remaining missions, and the independent movement – which took off at first in the 1980s, and collapsed probably due as much to the same fundamental demographic problems, as Scientology’s early efforts to squash it – certainly haven’t.
And speaking of missions, we now see the very end of the baby boom phenomenon in Scientology, and the arrival of demographic cliff that follows it, as the boomer mission holders who’ve been hanging on age out, and many of the remaining missions close. The question is how it is going to affect membership, staff, and the Sea Org, where whatever is going on is not quite so readily seen from the outside.
More like dog meat.
The $ expense of this “expansion” charade gets higher and higher everyday because they are actually contracting and taking in less money.
Promoting expansion during contraction is clearly a Ponzi scheme tactic and by definition requires lots of money and effort to keep up the pretense.
As a short term tactic, this works. As a long term strategy, it is doomed.
Must be Miscavige’s pride and need to maintain his image, his position and power that drives him, compels him now to maintain this facade no matter the cost. I mean, I don’t KNOW, but certainly it can’t be MONEY that drives him.
As I understood Mike Rinder’s opining once, its the feeling of power he gets in MAKING people give him
money even if they don’t want to and ESPECIALLY if/when they don’t want to, or SHOULDN’T, and that money is an INDEX of how much the sheeple are LISTENING to him.
on Mar 27th 2018 Fox4KC did a puff piece for the KC Morgue
http://fox4kc.com/2018/03/27/church-of-scientology-moving-forward-with-renovations-on-historic-building-on-grand-blvd/
one quote in the article reads: “Records show the Church of Scientology in Kansas City is connected to dozens of other company names. One of them is Grand Investments International, with a company president listed as Lee Shin, headquartered in the attached building on Grand Boulevard”.
a quick google of
Grand Investments International + Lee Shin :
will bring up a dozen links of info…Lee Shin previously owned a company called “Sea harvest food company” which seems to have gone belly up…no shock there
trouble paying the tax bill
https://www.pitch.com/news/article/20562670/why-isnt-the-church-of-scientology-paying-its-downtown-tax-bill
Mike has covered it well here
https://tonyortega.org/2015/04/22/scientology-making-fools-of-your-local-elected-lunkheads-since-1952/
working without a permit
https://www.pitch.com/news/article/20562652/city-records-show-scientology-is-barely-doing-any-renovation-work-at-1801-grand-or-they-may-be-doing-it-without-a-permit
more without a clue
https://www.pitch.com/news/blog/20630522/some-type-of-construction-work-is-being-done-at-the-scientology-building-in-the-crossroads-but-for-what-who-knows
plans..we don’t need no stinkin plans
https://www.pitch.com/news/blog/20780564/scientology-speaks-church-indicates-it-doesnt-plan-to-sell-their-building-on-grand-boulevard
final stages: um ok?
http://fox4kc.com/2017/09/22/church-of-scientology-could-be-expanding-in-kc-church-says-restoration-project-is-in-final-stages-of-planning/
“Grand Investments International, with a company president listed as Lee Shin, “headquartered in the attached building at 1805 Grand Blvd. But that space appears empty and is closed off” …
Grand Investments Int is “Grand at all”
“…is “Grand at all.” Did you mean, isn’t?
Scientology obviously likes to postulate that they can draw people from as far as necessary, and believes that they can motivate people to “make it go right” and travel as much as required to get Scientology services, or even relocate. However, the ad hoc geographic and demographic analyses that I’ve posted some of recently, suggest that the hard reality is that they are more or less limited like other churches and businesses, in that people are unlikely in most cases to go further out of their way that what is considered convenient driving distance, or about 15 to 20 minutes travel time – which in an urban setting with slow-moving traffic, is 5 miles or less. The reach might be a bit more for an org, and they may get some people to come from even further afield, but mostly only in cases where there is some compelling connection already formed.
In short, it’s virtually a fantasy that these orgs even really reach the full extent of the metropolitan areas that they are located in, much less beyond or into adjacent states, particularly absent any satellite locations like missions with their own premises. Scientology doesn’t have locations within convenient driving range of 95-97% of most Americans, and that’s probably one of the reasons that ScnTV has been an abject failure – even if a few people were “curious” to “check it out for themselves,” they’re not close enough to an org to be likely to make the effort to follow up and actually do so. But Scientology faces so many challenges and is in such decline, and the US is so spread out geographically, that even a few more strategically-located orgs in major metropolitan areas – and maybe some missions – would only add marginally to their membership numbers, and their ability to reach new people.
Speaking of Denver, if I recall there was once a mission in Wyoming, at least on paper, but almost all of the several satellite missions that the org nominally had at one time or another are long gone. The one exception, and the one of them that was actually more than just a token presence and had its own premises in its heyday, was the Boulder mission, which has now apparently moved into its aging mission holders’ condo. That’s pretty typical of what has happened with all the orgs, and missions; if I recall, most or all of the satellite missions of the Portland and Seattle orgs have suffered similar fates.
Interesting is that there is a scientology mission in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. We drive by it at least 3 times a week. Have never seen more than 3 cars there. Usually less. Looked up the comment section online and they get a 1 on a scale of 1 to 5. Never seen anybody outside, not even smoking. Looks like it is ready to fall down. Smallest scientology sign I ever saw. I don’t think anybody even knows it is there. Guess everyone loves that 4 to 5 hour one way trip to St . Paul instead.
There’s a fair chance that, like many other nominal mission locations, it’s actually the premises of some other business run by the mission holder, and that accounts for even the little activity observed.
While checking into it a bit, I noticed that they do have a Facebook page they use – something the moribund St. Paul org doesn’t even have, at least not to be found –
“Church of Scientology Milwaukee Mission
March 13 ·
Over 398,000 viewers of the Scientology Network in Chicago last night.
Tune in and check it out for yourself!!
Direct TV Channel 320 or watch the live stream at scientology.tv”
I wonder where they got/fabricated that figure. It’s interesting to see that such things have been circulating in Scientology; presumably it’s a wishful interpretation of some figure like total DirecTV viewers in the Chicago area, or the number of “impressions” they got as people in the area channel-surfed and ended up on ScnTV, however briefly.
Presumably by now, they’re wondering why, if that many people actually watched ScnTV, they’re not getting anyone “curious” showing up on their doorstep….
Wondering could land you in doubt. Better to suppress those nasty thoughts.
This article makes me think of the Chinese “Ghost Cities” . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0tvY_4PlM
Another sad state-of-affairs.
It’s interesting that all those things the ‘little yellow arrows’ point to, like narCONon’s ‘running man’, all claim to be “secular” when asked if they are part of $cientology.
The front of the KC org, on the lower floor, has two big signs announcing in big all caps neon green letters:
“WE FIND MONEY” and “NO ONE GETS YOU MORE”.
I thought it was odd for Scientology to be so honest and up front about their money-grabbing… but closer inspection shows the signs refer to an H&R Block office on the ground floor.
I’d love to attach the pic but can’t. It’s easy to find, Google Scientology Kansas City, its on the W. 39th St. corner.
BTW, the Scientology Church in Kansas City, MO, is only 1.2 miles to the KS border. It hardly makes a difference whether it is in Kansas or Missouri, except for determining exactly which states border its location.
These hoodwinked folks are all suffering from PTHD (Post Traumatic Hubbard Disease) with only one cure: LEAVE!
The shrinking world of Scientology…
What happened to the missions?
Dinky Davey ordered his capos to slaughter them in 1982.
Even the Mafia understands what Dinky Dave dont: Cannote getta meat anna milk from da same cow.
“…Cannote getta meat anna milk from da same cow”…that’s a good one 🙂
They split from fission.
I was split from fission once. I glowed for two years.
Don’t go nuclear on me dude.
Mike, I was ‘IN’ relatively recently, as in less than 2 years ago. In this time, you are absolutely right about that guy from NJ. He was pushing mission expansion as well as class V orgs running courses. He wasn’t too keen on the internet course thing at the time. He wants ‘parishioners’ (the gullible) immersed in Scientology, not just an outlier. I think they only recently started pushing more of the expansion via the website and online courses. I know it was actively avoided while I was ‘IN’.
Now as an outlier, I think studying the books and materials is actually fine. You are not immersed, and can take things with a grain of salt. You will not necessarily be driven up affinity with the ‘group-think’ mentality. In other words, you won’t be cultified. I think it’s important to still study while out, as it has an inoculating effect – atleast, if you plan to stay at all connected (whether negative or positive affinity) to the ‘universe bubble’ that LRH created.
Due to the above, I think the need for Orgs is actually diminishing in relation with their lack of use. One thing is sure, Scientology is being changed by the 21st century paradigm. Whether it ‘survives’ the transfiguration, who knows?!
I’m also sure they were resistant cuz they don’t want people stumbling on the real horrors about Scientology. And I think you’re right, (as a neverin-er) My guess is they would rather people not be on the internet at all! And they can be much more controlling in person to pressure people for more money. On the internet format, people can just click out, where in person it’s hard to just walk out without being cornered by the salespeople.
The smart ones escaped by doing extension courses in chronological order and used that to get out of physically going on course. Nobody at the org could disagree with DM’s “brilliant” campaign. It was a get out of jail free card, and shrunk the active scn in the orgs. The internet courses would compound that effect.
Now if only scientologists learned how to evaluate DATA and spot illogics or if they had a course that increased their CONFRONT of written information …
你是有趣的
I learned how to do that from the Data Series, Joe P. In fact, my ability to spot illogics and much more got me OUT. But that course is not delivered any more. Wonder why?
At the very top of this Special Edition poster it reads:
To: All Orgs
From: Building Expansion Director International
Where in the bloody Org Board is this staff position of Building Expansion Director Int?
No wonder Miscabage was furious when a real Org Board was proposed last by Shelly.
No, no baby. That would have meant Miscavage should have to do real work to expand Scientology; heaven forbids! Miscabage working!!!
It is easier to invent this position in the Org Bd so as to keep piling up buildings (under his hidden real estates personal program).
On the other hand I am glad he is not producing, nor working at all in the real expansion of Scn: this means less people will be harmed under his toxic policies and his sociopath leadership.
Pimping folks for money, another Ideal Whore.
Whoa! I like that, MjM!
Thanks OSD. ?
“There are huge swaths of the United States, let alone the world, that have no scientology presence.”
Yes thank gawd ….. and those swaths are getting larger Mike. No more active $cientologists in Tuolumne County, California. The neighboring county to the South is Mariposa and there are two UTRs there, same to the North.
I’m on it! Problem is, Dave won’t declare them even if He knows I am connected. I guess He can’t afford the bad Pee Are.
Yo Dave,
Do it good buddy.Show Your teeth!
Dave’s more into ribbons and bowling trophies.
When I’m around the Big Blue I must take some pics. It’s a ghost town compared to years ago. Mostly very young Sea Org members. Every now and again I see some very old members smoking in front of AO. I have a feeling of pity for them. To be spending their whole life seeking Hubbard’s brass ring of make believe — sad.
Miscavige must be in a pressure cooker in his own head. His ecclesiastical OT powers are getting thwarted at every turn. The world wide media now knows what Scientology is all about.
I’ve not read one positive view on the “church” of Scientology……. EVER!
Death by a thousand cuts of bad PR. This next season of Aftermath will only add more crushing blows to this expiring cult.
Dave and OSA:
You have not fought real SPs.
You have not helped the police catch murderers.
You have not fought political tyrants
You have not fought real SPs
You have fought mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, friends, aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandads, wives and husbands.
You have sought to destroy not evil people but normal everyday people who simply disagree that Hubbard is mankind’s best friend.
By attacking every day normal family and friends you have single handedly created the outrage that society feels regarding Scientology.
Remember when Ron said,”when you cut a Theta line you get an explosion”. Leah Remini and the Aftermath is only one of those explosions. They are going off everyday on the Internet. Ron’s policies have caused this explosion.
Disconnection cuts the Theta line of family. The devaluation of the sacred bonds of family and the policies to destroy loving connections………
IS THE WHY TO YOUR PRESENT CONDITION. BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION LRH POLICY YOU WILL NEVER RESOLVE THIS SITUATION. SO YOU ARE TRAPPED.
You will never find the real why to Scientology present shit PR because if you do, you will be critical of Ron’s “infallibility”. And if you doubt or rationally question Ron’s policy, you now will be declared an SP.
And you call this the road to freedom?
You know what’s going on OSA. You are just afraid of knowing it. Because if you know it and act on it, you will be like all of the hundreds if not thousands of critics out here. You will become those you fight and there is a part of you that is afraid of knowing the truth.
SPs in Scientology are only people who disagree with you. That is a grand perversion to equate normal everyday families with Hitler and the like.
It’s only going to get worse after the next season of Aftermath. That little intuitive voice you daily suppress is the voice to listen to. It’s you telling you that something is not right with Miscavige.
Are you brave enough to know what you know?
Or have you lost your integrity?
Well that’s an easy one Brian! How about No and Yes. But dear Dave maybe did not lose any of His integrity, He just never had much to begin with.
Yo Dave,
How did You work out the justification for punching Your PC in the face good buddy? Looks like things went steeply downhill from there. Now whadayagonnado Dave?
May the Farce be with them…
As long as they’re farsesighted.
Oh…you’re good! Very good!
Newcomer, stop your Dave-bashing at once. That PC pulled it in. Totally pulled it in! The good news is she got handled on her O/Ws this lifetime along with a slew of whole track evil purposes and has not been smacked in the face by a Scientology auditor since – at least, not while in session.
Dave only hits them for their own good. Honest. ?
Slapping out of existence incorrect technology. KSW, that’s all.
That those cockaroaches just falsified their stats after I routinely considered that the only acceptable excuse of downstats is that I was dead and pronounced so by qualified personnel is fucking outrageous. I thought that falsifying stats was close to the most heinous crime imaginable. ( I have found many worse since then). My reported stats were always valid GOD knows what it took to produce them sometimes seconds before 2 PM on Thursday. (Usually involved working all Wednesday night.) That somebody could just lie and attest that these were valid stats when they were not was not even imagined by myself. I must have been some dumb motherfucker.
And the next season of “Aftermath” will be like a tsunami if I have anything to say about it; we will see. And then Leah and Mike can do whatever they want cause there will be nothing to protest anymore. I will do likewise if I am still alive; and if I am not, I will still be happy about it; no-one could ask for more.
I do not wish anyone to think that I have anything against the Church personnel. After all, I signed the billion year contract. I knew that I would never make it out of there alive. So how can I have a beef? They pissed on my grave when they fucked with my wife and family. As a family continues after the person is dead the desire I have for JUSTICE also continues after my death. You know that there are other lifetimes if you believe anything you are teaching or got any fucking case gain at all (DM excluded as we know that he could not have gotten any case gain). This was my second lifetime in Scientology. If there is not a third it will only be because those cockaroaches received Justice. Otherwise I’LL BE BACK”.
I was thinking of that graphic when I read your previous post. No new missions scooting out from all those idle orgs.
Didn’t Kirsty have a mission in Wichita at one time?
And no matter how much you huff & puff, those missions will NEVER appear.
Wichita was still going, at last report – almost certainly because Alley subsidizes it. A couple of the remaining missions are probably celebrity or whale vanity projects. Also, Jenna Elfman’s mission in San Francisco closed, presumably because it was more of a financial drain than she liked, which she probably only got away with because she’s a celebrity; I think there may be another example or two like that.
I suppose one thing that Miscavige could do when he runs of out existing orgs to put into “ideal” buildings, is to turn some of these missions into orgs, perhaps even some new, smaller type of “church” – having an org in Wichita makes more sense than having one in Battle Creek (which has one, but only about a third the population), and about as much as Anchorage (slightly more populated).
Wichita is where I went Clear in 1952. Then it went all to hell according to LRH
I was there. I can’t tell you much about it but when you don’t deliver what is promised you will always run into trouble.
I would think that their false and misleading info would have to be monitored and upheld for truth somewhere… by someone..
By the late 70’s the scamology tide in the USA was receding at the lower levels. The surge from the late 60’s up to that point but greatly thinned, continued to roll up to the AOSH level by the early 80’s. This culminated at the FSO in the late 80’s. It declined steadily from then until the early 00’s. Accelerating in the last several years.
Im glad I left FSO in 1986. Otherwise I would really be dead. Unfortunately I can say the same about.the Freewinds in 2002. I was all but dead then.
Bill, whatever happened to Chester?
Around ’04? I drove down FH after doing some business at Tech Data and saw Sherry crossing the street. At least she was still alive then…
I don’t know what happened.to Chester. Obviously, you are someone I know or you wouldn’t know that I knew Chester. I understand if you do not.want to post your name. I post mine because I want the bastards to know that I am still alive.
Mike; forgive me if you are using your real name. I certainly did not know everyone at FLB and I had a CAT scan when I finally got treatment for the AIDS. The neurologist said that I had “marked brain volume loss” and I had dementia at the time. At that time I did not even recognise my wife. My memory of past events seems pretty good though.
Bill, I knew the personnel of FSO but not many personally. I knew some Dept 10 people from being on lines there at one point. 12-1 HGC mainly. I saw you at adjacent cabana HGC Board a couple of times. NOTS HGC? I think you had braces at the time but we never really met.
Anyway, I knew you guys (and gals) were the workhorses of the HGCs but got little recognition..
I was the Board I/C of all on the NOTS HGCs at one time or another. I have never worn braces but one of my juniors did.
Just as a note, KC Org is in Kansas City MO. Not in Kansas. Which why they didn’t consider Colorado.
Yes, of course. Brain fart and doing posts while on a plane! Thanks for noting that, now fixed….
Safe trip Mike.
Thanks. I actually just got home… 🙂
Well then, grab a glass of beer and enjoy your family! You’ve come a long ways, Mike. I celebrate your wonderful family!