“The man on the cross. There was no Christ!” L. Ron Hubbard
Kathie Lee Gifford has recently published a new book she is promoting.
It contains a whole chapter that purports to address scientology’s take on Jesus, as presented by David and Kelly Pomeranz and their son. You can see the whole chapter here: Pomeranz family interview in book The Jesus I Know
Of course, the discussion is a total sham. Using the PR lines scientology always uses, as to tell the actual truth about Hubbard’s teachings about Jesus would leave no doubt that there is absolutely nothing compatible between scientology and Christianity.
This is an excerpt:
Here is a recent posting about what scientologists ACTUALLY are taught about Jesus — Hubbard said the idea of Jesus was an “implant” from the “R6 bank” inserted into humans by the evil galactic ruler Xenu 75 million years ago: Easter — Scientology Style
I knew David and Kelly well. What hypocrites. Scientology looks down on ALL other religious beliefs.
Kathy Lee has been taken in by the “acceptable truths”(lies) of that family.
Here’s a different take on belief. I was raised in protestant faith. Got into the scn cult from 70’s to 2000 I am so grateful to have gotten out when I still had my health.
I left and had some serious mental health issues and addiction. I started in a 12 step group and have been clean and sober for many years. Asoart of these steps I have been exploring my spirituality and relationship with god. I have found great healings and wisdom from the bible and having faith that there is more in our world than the physical. This has put me on a peaceful and serene path.
In the cult no amount of purif, objectives, drug rundown, OT 4 nots step 14 etc relieved me if the addictive mindset. It took a team, my sponsor, weekly meetings to share regularly and letting God into my heart and life.
I wonder how many cult members have gone back to a faith or active in a religion.
After all the time with the cult all of us with lots of damage and pain.
Thanks for listening.
Hi I was in scientology and worked my way upto being the ED of Narconon but when I left, and relapsed, I actually got sex trafficked before reaching a rock bottom, finding a 12 step program and after several years, I too have found Jesus and faith and my life has truly transformed, I have my family back in my life, I still am recovering from the cult…probably more so from that than anything else. Would love to share my story.
Happy to hear this.
Where would you like to share your story?
What options are there? I’m open to videoing it, or writing it…although that would take a bit long I think. Or interview type? How does it normally happen? Thank you
MIchelle — probably best it to write it out and I will publish it here on the blog. I will email you.
No problem. You’ll have to bear with me, I have a busy schedule, but it is something I’d really like to do, so I will star your emails and get onto it as soon as I can. Thank you
I’m an atheist, I do like Catholic Radio, and listen to it a lot, for the decency of the speakers mostly, and tone of their voices.
One thing about Catholic radio, there is a lot of silence, when they pray, which is done constantly, every show segment, and there are silence gaps. I’ve gotten used to it, and it’s calming, none the less, even though there is nothing being transmitted, while they pray, and us listeners are to pray also. Calming to say the least.
For whatever reason, I do appreciate Catholic radio, I’d say I’m more interested in Buddhism, and do listen to the large quantity of Buddhist lectures, particularly “stream entry” stuff.
From listening to Catholic radio, here in the Pittsburgh area, for several years now, I’ve absorbed the reverence aspect of this religion.
I’d say there is nothing reverence like ever transmitted by Scientology. No practice of Scientology has any holy aspect or reverence. Other than the pretend chapels in Scientology, but not any single moment ever in any Scientology chapel reminds me of any of the calming peaceful transmissions from the several years of Catholic radio I’ve listened to.
Chuck Beatty
ex Team Xenu 75 to 03
For my calming I go deer hunting. 70 years old and I go and climb up in a tree stand and sit for hours.
Just one factoid, I have hunted for 15 years and have never killed a deer. Seen hundreds upon hundreds of the critters and have never shot one. It is about calm, not killing. My son asks why I spend the money to hunt and never shoot anything. I tell him it is called hunting not killing.
I simply love the outdoors. Sitting in all of it’s glory.
Amazing. I love watching the YouTube channels of hunters and adventurers, and one recent episode of a “MeatEater” hunter channel, the hunter said the same thing. He’d gone bear hunting, and had shots, but didn’t take them, since the bear was instead so much like the hunter, that the hunter thought it was not time to shot that fellow creature.
I hike and have just unprofessional raw footage of my hiking on YouTube.
I truly love the outdoors. Love sitting there watching as the animals walk by not knowing I am there. Not disturbing them, just watching.
Two particular times were really funny. Once I had a bird land in the tree next to me no more than 4 feet from my hand. Had no idea I was there. Looked at me and and just stood there for 30 seconds staring before he flew off. Then one day I felt something falling on my hat from up the tree. Thought it was acorns falling out of the oak tree. Looked up and about 6 feet above me was a squirrel sitting on a limb eating and dropping the shells on me. Boy did he leave in a hurry when he realized I was below him.
Love it.
I usually pick up a book and start reading and listen to the rosellas outside squabbling over the rights to the hanging restaurant, as I call it, filled with seed near by bedroom window. The other thing I enjoy is spending up to half an hour or more watching the sunsets where the clouds are full of colour and watch until they fade to grey (gads, that sounds like a good title for a song).
https://hamiltonpark.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Yellow-Rosella-Warrawong-La.jpg
Nice, wow.
In Catholicism you have The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost might be perceived as without form and neither male nor female but as a “Divine Presence”. In that sense a scientologist might get away with saying they are a Christian as an “acceptable truth.”
Yea. Only in the very end did I even have a similar thought, that as “souls” which transmigrate eternally into human bodies on different planets over long swathes of time, living out contrasting “terminal” roles, yes, over the long haul, you do practically everything, for eons, in large blocks of time.
But that avenue of interpretation, of the soul that we are at our core, what I found missing, in Scientology, was more emphasis on “Serenity of Beingness” and “Native State” theory from Hubbard.
His years in all his writings, were one to do a pie chart of his emphasis on core soul and the top of the Tone Scale “beingness” of the soul, you’d think he’s have wrapped up the goals, for us souls more on the higher end of things we supposedly are shooting for with the practices (auditing and training).
So, it seems in hindsight, if one is trying to be apologetic to Hubbard, and think he was consumed with his legal battles and the threat of “losing it all” to IRS in taxes, and collapse the bureaucracy he’d set up, even with that dire threat, he ought to have put out more to the final goal.
All that he wrote, was the tiny “Native State” remark in the staff writing 339R Int issue.
Hi Chuck – Got it. Admittedly as a bit of apologist comment, in his younger years Hubbard might have been making a legitimate attempt to find a shorter way to Nirvana or Total Freedom as he later termed it. For thousands of years Hindus, Buddhists and numerous other philosophies, religions and practices have explored the possibility of higher levels of spiritual Awareness, Attainment, Fulfillment or whatever you want to call it. Traditional Buddhists admit their path is long and arduous. Hubbard failed in his attempt to find a shorter path and the older he got the worse he got.
In 1957 when he was 46 years old he published a booklet called “Clear Procedure Issue One” which seemed to be a legitimate attempt to produce “Clears and OTs.” I googled it but it just goes directly to a pdf and I couldn’t find a website address.
A few years ago on a scn blog I got into a debate with someone who said Hubbs always said scientologists should consider scientology their religion. In my time in the 1970’s nobody ever called scientology their religion. That was just a dodge to keep the IRS off our back.
Finally after some back and forth I conceded that when I was “in” I thought that everyone should *eventually* become a scientologist so it might have been my “faith”. That was a good enough compromise and ended the debate.
This kind of pretense is pretty common for cults in the West (presumably, in the East they’re claiming that their schtick is compatible with Buddhism or Hinduism). Western Muslims on the prowl for converts profess great reverence for Jesus–as long as he’s reduced to a prophet preceding Muhammad who had the real hook-up. The Baháʼí Faith will cheerfully affirm all religions–no matter how impossibly self-contradictory that claim. But of course, their guy has the final word lest he be entirely unnecessary. Mormons are determined to masquerade as Christians even though Joe Smith is about as compatible with Jesus as elron was (those two had a lot in common). Naturally, Joe has the last word.
The bottom line: Tell them what they want to hear until you get your hooks in. Of course, whether one decides to believe Jesus’ claims about himself is a personal decision. However, for those that do, the fraud of these “false prophets” is all too obvious. For those looking at it purely philosophically, the fatal logical incompatibilities between these belief systems doom this enterprise decisively. As it does the fraud of pretending otherwise. Non-Christians will be entirely unimpressed by Jesus allegedly greasing the skids into all these groups. However, they would do well to wonder how a group that lies to you upfront will treat you once you are in.
In Hubbard’s own Words : (Class VIII course, 1968)
‘THERE WAS NO CHRIST”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfNHHn410M&t=3s
In the beginning there was nothing, and then god said “let there be light”, and still there was nothing.
But now you could see it.
First God in Genesis created “the heaven and the earth. The earth was unformed and void.” Then there was light.
Just a joke man. No authenticity attempted.
(From an agnostic jew).
And god said, “Ah, there’s that golf club I misplaced last week.” And so, he went out to belt a few suns around as practice before going to the Andromeda galaxy for a 397 hole round of golf the following day.
Scientology creator L. Ron Hubbard on Jesus Christ: “The man on the Cross? There was no Christ!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfNHHn410M
$cientology is like a trap door spider, when someone unwary comes by, they can be body routed into having someone ‘find their ruin’ or get sold an imaginary ‘ruin’. Most escape that spider, but a few don’t and of those few, most eventually escape too.
If you bait your hook with Jesus, you might be a little more ‘respectable’ in your neighborhood. But only until someone uses Lron’s actual words to show the $cieno lies.
In the ’93 IRS agreement, the CO$ clearly states that after a certain time, ‘other practices’ are not allowed. So much for $cieno ‘honesty’.
I wonder if this is the Jesus they know:
Matthew Chapter 7.
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Spoken like a “true believer” of Jesus, Safety Guy….
Unfortunately, in your excerpt Jesus says:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
So it seems that Jesus was telling people that he will disconnect from them and that they will suffer torture for eternity if they do not do what he tells them to do!
Sounds all too familiar.
… Just sayin’. 🤔
“Lord, Lord, did we not audit in your name and in your name drive out body thetans and in your name attest to Clear and OT?”
And strip their bank accounts, credit cards and make them take out mortgages and new cards as well. Then throw them out on the pavement when they were too old to be any further use.
I believe that we are given a choice. To be with God or not to be with God. Then it is our choice to make.
My point in putting that here was simple. Either you believe in Jesus as who He says He is or you don’t. I can’t see a acientologist believing Jesus was who Hecsaud He was.
I don’t care about Scientology nor do I care about Jesus.
There. I said it. So comm-ev me or crucify me. Whatevs.
No John Doe.
No comm ev or crucifixion’s.
The ONLY APPROPRIATE RESPONSE should be:
Hip, Hip, Hurray!
Hip, Hip, Hurray!
Hip, Hip, Hurray!
At least when I say that I don’t believe in the Western Monotheist Tradition I have the decency to admit it.
I have no problems with Agnostics and Atheists. In general, they are very honest and respectful. I have problems with anyone, from any faith (or lack thereof) who either lie about their faith, or scream about their faith in my face, or are just plain hypocritical about their faith. It appears to me that Scientologists are all three!
Many years ago I was friendly with a man and woman who were best friends with each other. They were not in a relationship but still an example of what might be called soulmates. They both got saved at the same time and after that the conversation always drifted to, “We like you Richard and we want you to be in Heaven with us.”
In my experience myself and the other scientologists I knew thought we were on top of things but at least we weren’t pushy about converting people. Lol
Being an atheist, when someone asks me what religion I follow (thankfully not very often now) I tell them I am a Calathumpian Mugwump and walk away. You can hear the gears grinding as they try wrapping their brains around that answer.