What about the first?
Apparently he can create time….
They’re still trying to get 100?
They were supposed to have 100+ when they opened
Now their hope is they will do it next year
Arte and the greyhairs
Just what Clearwater asked for…
Pitching the children…
Ideal org convention…
For who? Battle Creek? There are no other orgs in the Midwest.
Wow, a show! And dinner!
This guy again…
A calm day at sea…
These plans went out the window with Hurricane Beryl
Always so grandiose when speaking of themselves
Epic news from CCHR… at graduation?
Kiddie Corner
Fuel up now with OT powers
Just by listening to Tristan
Dedicate your summer…
Once more?
The pirates haven’t managed to plunder much apparently
How religious — the “battle of Portland”
Thanking Farrakhan, but no mention if COB… yowza
Who would want to miss this?
They finally got a Clear!
Worth a special promotional piece…
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If someone like myself (public in general) saw the Bill advert. For the Freewinds cruise & called what legal basis would they say to deny service.
Say said new convert wanted to book the Cruise,as a chance to unplug and join the church after months of reading Dianetics after stumbling on it in the library. Just how would they respond? It would be great,if someone tried because it looks amazing,minus everything else)Oh and the atmosphere and ppl. Would be so entertaining to a person like myself.
Isn’t Scientology itself supposed to provide everything you need to achieve the promised results? Do people ever wonder why there are so many how-to presentations, webinars and conferences?
“The Battle of Portland”
AGAIN?
We’ve only seen this video – oh…a dozen times.
Ditto “The War Is Over” – The Dwarf’s finest hour back in 1993.
Some new material please Rev?
Oh, wait, that’s right; there ISN’T any new material – at least, none that good news. And even a ruthless, greedy cult can get sick of lying, I suppose.
So its “Scientology’s Greatest Hits” rewashed, rinsed repeated, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum!
The poor Still Ins! My stomach is clenching just thinking about viewing this crap yet again!
“Scientology’s Greatest Hits”
Aqua, laughing loud.
Nothing else new….
Couple of things:
What IS it with this pirate obsession that Scientologists have? Romanticized accounts aside maritime pirates were the WORST sort of people, literally the dregs of society back in the day. Robbers, murderers, cutthroats… Why would the religion that is supposedly “Man’s Only Hope” even CONSIDER positioning itself with PIRATES? Seriously I don’t get it. I have never gotten it.
“You don’t want to miss this”….”OH, YES WE DO! You have no IDEA how much we want to miss this, LOL.
Aqua, something suggest me that the relevance night be found l in the type of activity that both perform.
The pirate theme is because LRH wrote a reference extolling pirates. He said how all the goody two shoes who follow the rules are worthless in a fight and the pirates will get into action and DO. He also said that when he commanded some ship that he got criminals to be his crew and he publicly threw all their papers saying what their crimes were overboard and told them they have a clean slate with him and he doesn’t hold it against them and he knows they will perform well. And he said they did perform well, better than polite do nothings would have.
Hi Cindy,
Yes, thanks, I just googled “L Ron Hubbard & Pirates” and I see there’s a reference for “Pirates and Bums”. I’m going to read it when I get home because its in the Green Vols which I still have. I take your word on the points he makes
. OK…I can look from that viewpoint. Pirates are or were certainly not risk averse. Bums – and by this term I assume he meant men (and women?_ who didn’t work legal jobs and instead lazed around and/or scammed or otherwise sponged off of society …certainly they are / were risk averse.
So, if at some poinjt he had a naval crew consisting of only pirates and bums I could see how such types, communicated to by their Captain in a way they would appreciate and which would be flattering to them and withal promised by him the legal expungement of all their crimes, would or could respond with enthusiasm to risky orders from a rogue type leader like Hubbard. I can see that. In fact I can see them having been willing do to just about anything for him!
Here’s the flaw in his argument and here’s why his premise is bullshit: There is no way that Hubbard could have ever comandeered a vessel with a crew of pirates and bums IN THE UNITED STATES.
First of all, piracy on the high seas stopped being a problem long before LRH was even born, and even if a few American pirates remained actively pirating in LRH’s time they certainly wouldn’t have been accepted into the US Navy!
Ditto with “bums”; our Navy doesn’t accept anyone with a criminal record, period.
So whatever ship LRH was commandeering crewed with pirates and bums was definitely not a US Naval ship during World War II.
Which means that if there’s any truth to this narrative of his then he had this crew before 1941 in a foreign country, and the “pirates and bums” were foreigners and very likely the only men he could afford to recruit, because their pay was coming out of his pocket.
And if they were say (just as a guess) poor and/or criminal Puerto Ricans back in the early 1930s (when he raised some money and did that treasure hunt) who wanted in PR for cimes maritime or otherwise, they would absolutely do whatever their skipper who was paying, feeding them told them to do, because the alternative would have been prison.
Furthermore, on the premise that this pirate and bum crew were not Americans but Puerto Ricans, they were for all practical purposes foreigners because PR didn’t become a Commonwealth until 1952. And if LRH was in another foreign country with another foreign crew he would have have no authority as Captain of a private vessel to expunge any of his crew’s crimes.
In brief, when(or if, because the whole story could be fiction) LRH told his crew he would publicly throw away the papers he had detailing their crimes (which he very likely didn’t even have in the first place but let’s say he did) he would have been lying to them because as a private ship’s captain he would have had no authority hwatsoever to do that.
Very likely his whole expedition ( I would bet money it was the Puerto Rican treasure hunt expedition) failed. But the work was certainly high risk and the crew he hired on the cheap did what he told them to do, and so even though his orders were wrong and produced no treasure, but the willingness (of the criminals who made up the private crew of this private expedition to follow his orders and risk their lives, etc, diving for treasure, their willingness to do work they’d never done beforeimpressed him.
Or elso he made up the whole damned thing.
I’m not 100 percent certain, but I think he was talking about a whole track time when he ran a ship with a crew of pirates and bums. So if you have the green vols, when you get time, look it up and tell us if this was a whole track memory or a this lifetime thing?
Understood, and will do 🙂 Hopefully, its an HCOPL and not an HCOB because I don’t have the Red Vols.
“Pirates were the WORST sort of people, literally the dregs of society back in the day. Robbers, murderers, cutthroats…”
That does appear to be the dominant narrative, sure, though some historians would argue their history may have been somewhat exaggerated. Many were forced off the land by wealthy landowners. Or simple tradesfolk losing out to the Amazon.coms of the day. Mostly, they were impoverished working class lads who had been spat out by an increasingly elitist system and left to rot. If you’re poor, destitute and society has failed you, what are you gonna do?
mwestern, I would agree that the vast majority of criminals committing crimes are not born wtih evil natures but are intstead victims and products of their environment. This makes them no less dangerous to be around btw. By the time they are criminals they are dangers to society and to themselves.
A good illustration of this would be Scientology parents who disconnect from their children, and Scientology children who disconnect from their parents, admittedly not “wanting” to, but “having no choice”. Any Scientologist who disconnects from someone as a result NOT of their own power of choice under an evil influence, would you not agree?
I can understand that the society that helped create them would consider them a threat/danger, yes.
Words like “evil”, “criminal” and “dangerous” seem a little too loaded and absolute, imho, and arguably subject to the ethical and/or socio-political eye of the beholder. (eg. who is more “evil”? The petty crimes of the hungry street urchin or the protected crimes of Wall St, Big Pharma and the US war machine?)
A beneficiary of “the system” may be somewhat detached from the realities of those who suffer it. Consider the future that awaits us in the here and now. I see robotics, automation and AI eventually replacing the work/skillsets of millions (if not billions) of people. The majority of those jobs, at least initially, will be labourers and low-wage earners. What then? What happens when the money you’ve saved becomes worthless when the realities of your society’s artificially inflated currency is laid bare? What is the real evil here? And who is the more dangerous?
I guess my point is simply that labelling certain people “the dregs of society” for rebelling against a certain order/status quo is not that different to calling ex-scientologists “degraded beings” or “suppressives.” Systems and societies can be just as culty as cults. And things are rarely black and white.
mwestern,
Your post above is a meaty one, and debating as you do in a civilized, respectful manner, notwithstanding what is surely an intensity of feeling and emotion on the subject, is something I enjoy
Right now I’m still working and although I’d rather spend time debating you 🙂 I’ve got some boring stuff in front of me that has to get done tonite.
Please allow me time to formulate the thoughtful response your post deserves. My own response may be a long one, addressing each of your points separately. In brief, this is just a heads up so you don’t think I’m ignoring you 🙂
Ciao for now,
Aqua
Hi mwestern, I’m back.
First:
“I can understnd that the society that helped create them would consider them a threat/danger, yes.” This would depend upon what their “creation” is actually doing; what crimes against society is the criminal (that as you say society created) is doing. Murder? Kidnapping? Robbery, arson, etc.? What is being done by the person in present time? Without defining the actual crimes and putting them in context, its impossible to label them accurately or fairly! And as for “the petty crimes of the hungry street urchin” being equal to or surpassing the “protected crimes of Wall St., Big Pharma and the US war machine”, I doubt whether anyone with half a brain in this day and age would even dream of equating the former with the latter, do you?
Secondly, you are IMO quite right about AI evenually replacing the work/skillsets of millions if not billions of people. Its very sad but it is a TREND, it has been TRENDING this way since at least the late 18th century. Looking back one finds countless examples of mechanization putting human beings out of work. Look what happened a hundred years ago when motorcars pretty much replaced horses in the civilized countries. Think of all the thousands of workers whose livelihoods depended in some or way or another upon horses as vehicles, being ridden directly, pulling ploughs, pulling carriages, etc etc. Railroads but steamboats out of business; electricity put the whale oil industry out of business…cigars used to be rolled by hand, then someone invented a machine to do it and all the cigar makers were out of work…endless examples in the past several centuries of mechanization replacing humans in the work force. Very sad, and I mean that. There is no worse feeling than knowing that one’s skills are neither needed or wanted by society and will not earn him or her a living. Its extremely sad. But its not going to stop. There’s no evidence that its stopping. Capitol will ALWAYs seek the cheapest labor possible. Always, whether its outright slavery and the actual owning of people, or wage slavery. And no matter how cheap the labor is, if a machine can do it cheaper and just as well, then that laborers job is going to be cut, its just a matter of time. So what’s the soluition? Make it illegal for people to invent machines that do things that people are currently being employed to do?
Thirdly, as to my labelling ” people” the “dregs” of society, I see your point, but in fairness I was not labelling “people” in general, I was labelling “pirates” the dregs of society, which they were, in those days.
On the other hand, in fairness to your point, I’ve since done a little informal reading on pirates and I can readily see how being a pirate, centuries back, would be an enticement to SAILORS, who in their proper navies were treated with tremendous abuse and injustice. F
Many of them were impressed, captured, forced to work on vessels. They were punished, flogged, etc., for the least infringement, there was very little food and what food they were given was vile; many of them sickened and died; being a sailor in those days was a wretched, brief life. Yet some of them loved the sea; they just didn’t want to be in the regular navy. So they became pirates! Pirate ships were run in a democratic manner; the crew had a say in what was done. I’ll tell you, knowing myself; it I were a man in those days, kidnapped and forced to labor as a sailor, and gotten a taste of the harsh treatment and cruel injustice meted out to sailors ini those days, if I loved the sea, I would have probably become a pirate too.
As to your last paragraph, I plead being guilty myself of too broad a generalization in calling pirates of those days, the “dregs of society”. As you point out, things are rarely black and white.
Welcome back! 😀 And thanks for taking the time to respond so eloquently. I do love a meaty debate 🥩🤯
“Without defining the actual crimes and putting them in context, its impossible to label them accurately or fairly!”
True, a huge amount of context is required. Such labels are arguably heuristics and heuristic thinkers (scientologists, for example) tend not to appreciate nuance and complexity. This, imho, is a symptom of ideological possession.
“And as for “the petty crimes of the hungry street urchin” being equal to or surpassing the “protected crimes of Wall St., Big Pharma and the US war machine”, I doubt whether anyone with half a brain in this day and age would even dream of equating the former with the latter, do you?”
Maybe, maybe not. For me, the whole concept of “law and order” dissolves when society continually turns a blind eye to certain crimes – or worse, actively shields a class of perpetrators from prosecution. One could argue that many of the systemic abuses of the CoS are not entirely dissimilar to those of present day “capitalism”, the US or The West in general. Money talks. Connections. A young scientologist grows up today with the knowledge he can pay his way out of Ethics if needed. As does a young American.
“Capitol will ALWAYs seek the cheapest labor possible. Always, whether its outright slavery and the actual owning of people, or wage slavery. And no matter how cheap the labor is, if a machine can do it cheaper and just as well, then that laborers job is going to be cut, its just a matter of time. So what’s the solution?”
Good question… I’ve been mulling this over lately (albeit not to any significant degree) but have so far come up with two possible scenarios: 1) a post-capitalist, post-scarcity, maybe even a post-work economy. 🤞🏻 Or 2) mass depopulation. 😲
Hoo boy…another meaty one! I think about these issues too and I also have a couple of questions for you as re your last paragrah “possible scenarios” …let’s see, what else – have to look up “heuristic” …you’re keeping me on my toes, mwestern 🙂 In a few minutes my Friday refried brain will be being nourished with refried beans…back here on Monday, my friend 🙂
And here’s another thought: if pirates and bum types are, in LRH’s estimation, so brave and stalwart and risk averse, so generally terrifically trainable in getting stuff DONE, as opposed to us quiet, docile, timid and fearful law abiding folk,; in brief, if “pirates and bums” are the kind of people who just darn well get things DONE then why isn’t Scientology recruiting for the Sea Org from America’s prisons?
Touche, Aqua!
Thanks, Cindy. My question/comment was intended rhetorically and sarcastically but upon further reflection I realized that effectively, Scientology IS recruiting for the Sea Org from “prisons” – that’s in quotes because 3rd World countries and Eastern Block countries ARE effectivly prisons for the poor uneducated and unemployable people who live in them. For these people, the Sea Org has to be a heaven-sent way to get to the US – 3 meals a day, clothing, a roof over their head, oh yes, the Sea Org is a step up for them – sure, its indentured servitude legally for 5 years but that’s better than risking life and limb to get here as migrants seeking asylum… Scientology’s Sea Org is effectively practicing indentured servitude in the 21st century.
Twin Cities and Chicago are absolutely in the Midwest, but, still a long way from Columbus Ohio.
Yawn. They are bringing out oldsters from the moth balls to speak at these events. And I see Jim Meskimen has been replaced by a new comedian. They can never get enough SO staff to staff up these Ideal Orgs, so they bring SO from Flag to temporarily man it up. It’s a shell game of just moving the pea under the shells. The church is circling the drain.
Well said, Cindy. And get a load of the Flag Auditors Association. There MIGHT be someone in the back a shade under 50 – one woman way in the back, her face is not that clear. The rest of them are all senior citizens and a sparse smattering of them to boot. Where are all the youngsters, the young auditors on fire to audit and clear the planet? Where are the middle-aged auditor members of the Flag Auditor Assocation? The room should be burtsting at the seams with auditors of all ages – this is FLAG, after all! Instead the few grayheads there all look not only hohum bored but like they’d prefer to be at home with their feet up. “Clear the PLANET?” I mean, REALLY! How utterly deluded could they be? No, its not possible…they’re just playing along…they have to be just playing along…
I agree. I mean h ow can they have been around that long in Scn and seen what they’ve seen, experienced what they have, and still believe this BS? They must be playing along, afraid to leave cuz of disconnection.
“The church is circling the drain.”
Cindy, let’s hope that stuff doesn’t clog the drain pipes.
Dear God, these people are ignorant. I don’t mean to rub that in – I know that if you grew up in Scamology, you didn’t have a chance of a good education. But whoever wrote the “unto the breach” bit apparently knew enough to find the quote, but not enough to research it and find out it came from Shakespeare, Henry V. NOT pirates!!
Oh well. I don’t suppose any of the sheeple noticed. (I couldn’t help it – retired teacher).
Rub it in, Briget. It needs to be rubbed in. Seriously. They ARE ignorant, many of them, and proud of it.
You know, I lived in a 3rd World country for 2 years. My late father had a business there.
A miniscule middle class. A small, tight, wealthy circle of plutocrats who owned and managed everything. European and American business people living and doing business there. A ruthless, cruel, greedy and cleverly lying and manipulating dictator. The rest? A large mass of extremely ignorant, superstitious, backward, uneducated, highly manipulatable, poverty stricken people – very very vulnerable people – but for all that, very brave, very hearty. I admired them for how they carried on, despite their oppression by their own government.
Here’s the thing: they were ignorant and uneducated, but they weren’t PROUD to be.
I knew a number of Scientologists who actually BRAGGED about having very little formal education, about dropping out of high school.
I would consider them (awareness-wise) BELOW – WELL below in simple awareness, the poverty stricken masses of that very poor country I grew to know, that country which taught me so much about what is important in life, and what I would forever cherish as my good fortune to have been born in the USA.
So, yeah, rub it in. They’re IGNORANT.
In each of Emmett Osborn’s promo pieces we are treated to an extensive list of his scientological accomplishments. A giant walks among us! And he holds the knowledge that will open the door to our financial success!
The funny thing is, 6 months after I let go of the idea that I had to “make it up the Bridge,” I exhaled the biggest sigh of relief I’ve ever felt. It was like 500 pounds of bricks had been lifted off my back. Only six months later I got a promotion at work and actually started making enough money that I could have afforded to buy more Bridge. Ah, the irony…
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That 500 lb weight lifted off me when one day to a friend these words percolated from the bowels of my psyche and out of my mouth, “Something is wrong with David Miscavige.”
The skies parted and clarity took hold as to what was going on with the church of scientology.
Welcome Bognition! I too heaved a sigh of relief when I finally got out. Most of my relief was “Yea! No more registrars at my door at 10 pm shaking me down. N o more IAS lean on you forever at Flag. No more.”
Looking at the big Pacifica Bridge Graduation picture raises a few questions.
What do you do with the big picture framed certificate? Do you take down family pictures and hang it on the wall in their place? Do you have a wall (or two) of these certificates like they were diplomas? Do you just add it to the stack in the garage? Do you sell it (for a couple of dollars) to the local Frame Shop? Take out the certificate and put your pictures in the frame?
Does $ci. charge you for the frame and framing service?
If you attend a Graduation, is it like a North Korean Communist Party event where everything is under surveillance so your clapping enthusiasm can be later reviewed?
Based on quantum physics and even relativity (at least in part), time is just a perception. So the idea of “creating time” doesn’t make sense. This guy, whose resume (and ego) takes up a third of the promo, doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He’s selling classic nonsense.
The perception of having more time or creating time happens when you’re present (in the now) and not stuck in a mental identity of yourself (“time”), but the flow of time doesn’t change. Everything simply unfolds faster because there are no mental resistances. It’s a mental factor, not a physical one.
They don’t know what birdseed to use anymore to reel in the chickens.
And as Catch 22 established, to slow down time you simply have to be bored. Reading LRH is a great way to do that.
Look, you can’t find me more in agreement. Reading hubbard slows down various mental and perceptive faculties, as well as conscious ones.
(I’ll take a look to see if I find that book in Italian.)
There were well over 100 SO Members in Columbus when it opened. The trouble is, there just isn’t enough work for that many people and thus people are found “idle” and sent somewhere else. Or they decide they want to leave the Sea Org, having been given an taste of a somewhat normal life, living in an apartment with only 3 other people and being away from the oppressiveness of a Sea Org base. Also interesting that Stacy is doing recruitment now, she was last in the public division 6C, “safepointing” with the DSA.
Could the “100” to be to replace the SO sent to Columbus (Central OH) with contract staff, finally? Did they have the full approximately 170 required contingent on opening day, counting both?
Columbus and Kansas City (opened around the same time) seem to have both been some sort of experiment with starting “ideal” orgs out with large SO contingents, who then stayed there for years. I would expect it was to try to actually make the orgs ‘boom’ like they are supposed to once they go “ideal”. But they don’t seemed to have tried that again, and since presumably it hasn’t worked out as expected, they may be finally throwing in the towel.