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“We’ll have to come back to earth someday…”

August 23, 2020 By Mike Rinder 66 Comments

A sort of follow-up to yesterday’s post about deaths in scientology. This from a slightly different angle.

I wonder if the person who put together this promo piece and chose this quote even gave it a moment of thought. Probably not. It’s good enough that “LRH said it” so we can just put it in here and it will inspire people. Because his words are inspiring. Always. No matter what they say.

But if you stop for a second, where is “the Commodore”? He has not “come back”? No sign of him (Justin Craig doesn’t count, or if that IS him then he regressed terribly in his between-lives implant station experience).

What about all those other Sea Org members who have grown old and died? Where are they? What about the run-of-the-mill scientologists? Where is my OT VIII father? He died 30 years ago… No sign of him. In 70 years, not a single, verifiable thetan has “come back”?

Sadly, these people actually believe they are saving the world. They believe the incredible simply because it was said by Hubbard, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

And not to ignore the other obvious thing here:

They have all those auditing rooms and course rooms and STILL need 140 auditors and supervisors. If they have 0 auditors now, and need 60, that means they also need 80 supervisors???

This place must have next to 0 staff.

AOSHANZO is officially a total bust.

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Comments

  1. Jere Lull (40 years recovering says

    August 25, 2020 at 12:38 am

    IF “we” come back, it’ll be to clean up the mess 1.0 left. ‘Cept we’re working on it NOW, at the more-or-less beginning, where our efforts are more effective, since there’s been no compounding of the problems. Dwarfenführer isn’t a compounding problem since he’s altering most of 1.0’s policies, making staff even less capable or interested than when 1.0 was around. Davey and his cronies will never analyze the existing body of work, establish what “worked” on the glory days and update it to today’s environment, which MIGHT expand scientology from the pitiably small clique of today to where it was in the 70s & ’80s. Davey’s doing a GREAT job… of dismantling what had been comfortably growing, even if Tubby’s refusal to DELIVER on his grandiose promises drove many away, disaffected.

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    • Mark Stephen Day says

      August 26, 2020 at 8:11 am

      Searchin for Xenu
      ©2020 Mark Stephen Day

      Searchin for Xenu
      Can’t seem to find it
      Been lookingn everywhere
      Sinetology is trying to hide it

      Searchin for Xenu
      I got money I can buy it
      Im running to the door
      Too spend some more

      Searchin for Xenu
      My life is a mess
      Spent all I had
      Under duress

      Xenu Xenu
      Where are you
      The galactic dictator
      I cant see you

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  2. Roger Larsson says

    August 24, 2020 at 7:59 am

    A politician said “Nothing is for free” and someone asked him about the air he breathed. Maybe he was a deep-ocean diver looking for scientologists votes.

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  3. Skyler says

    August 24, 2020 at 4:07 am

    I think they may need some more enticing slogans. How’s about this?

    Join the Sea Org and drown in salty debt. Guaranteed!

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  4. jim rowles says

    August 23, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    I looked into Justin Craig, read his two books, and a bit of his web site. And in talking with two friends who had face contact with Justin both stated that “Ron’ was in that body.

    This is my take. In 1986, Ron left the body in very bad shape. The 1986 Ron was nothing like the 1952-1966 Ron. If the 1986 Ron had any control over his between-lives period it would likely include wiping out the last years that he was such a miserable wreck. Any ‘good’ facet of Ron left around the time the sea org was introduced (1968?). Such a crashed beingness would not return in anything more, or better, than what we see. As long as one plays in the universe of polarities then cause-effect will prevail. Call it Karma and let it be a lesson to all.

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    • Mike Rinder says

      August 23, 2020 at 11:43 pm

      I assume those two friends are still believers in the tech? Had those Theo friends ever had fave contact with “Ron” when he was alive?

      It would be really easy to test Justin Craig. Ask him about the things on the Apollo or at St Hill. If he doesn’t know then a. He is just another Steve Fishman who was a clever con man or b. He didn’t “solve” amnesia on the whole track, or even for a half century.

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      • jim rowles says

        August 24, 2020 at 1:19 am

        Yes. Both had face to face with the first Ron. One holds to the red volume tech and one mixes the tech with other materials. I think Justin has been’tested’ and failed. Tony O had a write up and Justin ducked. I opt for amnesia or that Justin is but a shard of the previous composite. It’s even been posited that an old tech terminal copied Ron’s valence— which gives too much credence to the tech. Maybe Justin is another con man playing an earlier con man…..

        Whatever. I ain’t buying what he’s selling.

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        • Mike Rinder says

          August 24, 2020 at 10:06 am

          Thanks for clarifying.

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        • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

          August 25, 2020 at 12:49 am

          Jim, I’m certain from what little I’ve seen that Justin is an inept conman copying what he THINKS the previous conman, a virtuoso conman. was like.

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        • PeaceMaker says

          August 25, 2020 at 4:04 am

          Ron 2.0 apparently got his start at the Kreniks’ indie center. They are old-timers who go back to the very beginning, and my guess is that intentionally or not, they ended up providing him with the coaching and knowledge necessary to do a pretty effective imitation with Ron.

          It reminds me of the fascinating cases of those who pretended to be Romanov Russian princesses and princes. They were taken under the wings of people who wanted them to be the real deal, and in a couple of cases so thoroughly absorbed the role that they were expected to fulfill, that they even fooled some people who had actually known the Czarist royal family.

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    • Loosing my Religion says

      August 24, 2020 at 3:23 am

      Jim, I would step back and look the scene with less involvement possible. This guy has mostly out points than any plus point. I am Italian but his English many time has gross mistakes. Plus he knows to be hubby but lost the rest of the knowledge? This is why now is turning into squirrel?

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      • jim rowles says

        August 24, 2020 at 12:04 pm

        Thanks LMR, not to worry.

        I looked into what Justin was doing as I had been wondering if 2.0 had improved on creative processing, or simplified self-GPM running. Nada. Plus my BS alarms were flashing

        As my reply to Mike Rinder above states: I ain’t buying what he’s selling.

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        • LoosingMyReligion says

          August 24, 2020 at 11:44 pm

          Thanks Jim. My only point is that the corporate scn is already a mess (a friend I knew who came back some time go from SH UK as OTV committed suicide few days ago).
          Imagine what can happen in the field among the indies who believe he is hubby, with this nut issuing new squirrel crap. One can’t even follow up the tragic consequences that would result: they are hidden in the woods.
          Do well my friend.

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          • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

            August 25, 2020 at 12:53 am

            LmR, I don’t believe Justin can make “scientology”, (what little of it that still exists) MORE dangerous to peoples’ sanity.

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            • LoosingMyReligion says

              August 26, 2020 at 8:52 am

              Jere. This nuts guy is even a squirrel. Guess what he can do to people. But it is correct what you say.

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          • jim rowles says

            August 25, 2020 at 10:13 am

            LMR,

            Sorry about your friend. The levels from OT3-up can introvert one to the point that they lose it. At least the ‘old’ 0T4-7 were extroverting processes. Very few were up to doing the drills fully and Hubbard substituted more OT3 stuff.

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            • LoosingMyReligion says

              August 26, 2020 at 8:40 am

              Jim thank you very much. Yes this guy was a friend when we were in the SO. Then he also has left that asylum but stepped into another one as public. One year ago when he was just back from UK got a huge psich break. He became agressive. Then all seemed to be OK but it wasn’t.
              Introversion I believe is really what happened.
              Poor guy.
              Thanks again.

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  5. george M. White says

    August 23, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    Testing

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    • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

      August 27, 2020 at 12:09 am

      George, it looks like that test worked.

      Reply
  6. Sarb Sandhu says

    August 23, 2020 at 5:59 pm

    Cult recipe for past life delusions.
    1) Covertly create a trance state in subject.
    2) Add a suggestion that subject has lived many past lives.
    3) Stir in a suggestion that past life memories feel like imagination but are real.
    4) Finally suggest that remembering past lives is to be expected and perfectly normal, whilst maintaining the subjects trance state.
    5) Viola! Enjoy fresh delusional delusions!

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  7. John McMaster says

    August 23, 2020 at 4:25 pm

    As ex-scientologists looking for closure, taking Justin Craig seriously may be the healthiest approach. Yes LRH came back in the circumstances he richly deserved. No, scientology as a doctrine had absolutely no impact.

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  8. Chris Shugart says

    August 23, 2020 at 3:40 pm

    “We’ll have to come back to earth someday”

    I’ll think about it. But I’m not making any promises.

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  9. Jere Lull says

    August 23, 2020 at 1:51 pm

    WHO, other than the hopelessly masochistic, would WANT to come back to scn or the Sea Ogre? No one I’ve discussed it with.

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    • Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass says

      August 31, 2020 at 11:54 am

      You would have to be crazy to want to come back to the SO. But then the SO drives some people crazy. I know of one, a good friend of mine. But even he would never want to go back to the SO now.

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  10. Todd Cray says

    August 23, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    No even marginally capable person would compose a sentence such as: “Nowhere makes you more capable as a being.”

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  11. Loosing my Religion says

    August 23, 2020 at 1:23 pm

    If someone want really help others the SO is the last place to go.
    You will never see real results of your daily sacrifice (and it is required your sacrifice for the goal) . You will be feeded with wins and good news you can’t verify but must trust and be enthusiastic about it.
    You want really help? There are plenty of no profit groups that in their small possibilities are doing daily something for others. And most anonimously. Any help you can give (even if for you is very small) has instead a huge value and gives IMMEDIATE results.

    In the SO you are even asked to come back to finish the job!

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  12. Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

    August 23, 2020 at 1:07 pm

    Reminds me of a manager I had when I asked to be transferred from a failing rewrite of our computer system by consultants & some employees to a legacy code position I’d had.. “You know, you’ll have to go back and fix it after they leave, so why not stay and get your licks in now?” I stayed, of course. *My* code worked fine despite their interference (I’m persistant), but their code had to be rewritten mostly immediately after their services were deemed no longer necessary.

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  13. Gordon Weir says

    August 23, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    If Tubbard had the tech to clear the planet wouldn’t he be the best example of how his “tech” worked? If his “tech” worked why did he smoke 3 packs of cigarettes a day, drink booze regularly, take pain medication, fly off the handle into screaming fits of rage. How could he treat his followers with such cruelty? ( Locking them up or throwing them overboard ) If his tech worked wouldn’t he have been happily married instead of betraying his 3 wives and children, not to mention betraying the mission holders and truly anyone who became a believer? What has $ci done to make the world a better place? If his tech worked why did he spent many years in hiding and die alone, drugged, paranoid and unkept?

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  14. Loosing my Religion says

    August 23, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    A comparison between scn and oriental teachings can be interesting to see how hubbard build a huge scam.
    Many of these eastern teachings mention or talk about past lifes but they never give particular attention to it. These are very periferical.
    The key concept is simply that we are an expression of Life (or God, etc) having an experience. We are Life as well and we are the mean to this experience.
    Therefore coming back next life or having been a Roman emperor has no meaning at all.
    The attention must be on the present moment where all happens.
    Instead scn has build this concept of thetan, while is simply a dramatization of own ego. And it must be said that scn practices strengthen furthermore the ego until the person thinks to be that being and relative abilities.
    The guy has never been more far away from his real essence.

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    • jim rowles says

      August 24, 2020 at 12:24 pm

      Yes. That is the way I see it. The ALL is everything. (Hermetic/Tehuti principle) . Hubbard’s artificial thetans, 7th dynamic and 8th dynamic etc are divisive and anti-encompassing the ALL. They are useful tools in finding where a spirit is corrupted, but the pater cherch uses it to break apart the individual person without reassembling the person as a whole.

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      • LoosingMyReligion says

        August 24, 2020 at 11:54 pm

        Thanks a lot Jim. I like the way you said it:

        ‘to break apart the individual person without reassembling the person as a whole.’

        And he hungs in that state without reaching anything. I would say quite evil.

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  15. Jere Lull (40 years recovering says

    August 23, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    They’re learning from DM’s events: not touting status and completions, but only saying how much they COULD do if anyone cared enough to get cracking on it. But no one does, especially the little guy at the top.

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  16. chuckbeattyx75to03 says

    August 23, 2020 at 10:50 am

    The “Advanced” word in Scientology’s “Advanced Orgs” offices, means “exorcism” and specifically exorcism of Xenu’s earth dump of “body-thetans.”

    The OT levels 3, 4 and 5 are the first three exorcism steps one has to do.

    Then OT levels 5 and 6 exorcism levels are done in Clearwater, Florida.

    The “Advanced Orgs” continental offices of Scientology are the first exorcism centers where the advanced Scientologists learn the secret exorcism of Xenu’s earth dump of “body-thetans” (the mentally damaged surplus souls Xenu earth dumped and mentally implanted 75 million years ago and left here on earth, which now infest all humans).

    “Advanced Orgs” equals Scientology’s secret exorcism training centers.

    Whoopee.

    How can Scientology ever sell that, once it becomes widely known.

    That again is Hubbard’s fault. Him selling snipe-hunting, and “Sea Org” members sell and deliver this secret Xenu’s “body-thetans” exorcism and they never admit it.

    That’s the new hard sell of Scientology, it’s an impossible selling point for why one ought not choose Scientology as a practice or staff job.

    The final 10 pages of “Going Clear…” book ought to dissuade anyone from following Hubbard. Hubbard died failing to exorcise some of his especially difficult “body-thetans” it is explained, and worse. Hubbard thought for a moment, at least, he’d failed.

    Hubbard told Sarge he’s not coming back.

    It is so important I think for Scientologists and ex Scientologists to read the last chapter of “Going Clear…” by Lawrence Wright.

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    • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

      August 27, 2020 at 12:19 am

      Chuck, it’s most important for scientologists to read ANYTHING about scn on the ‘net not part of scn’s propaganda sites. HERE would be a good place, but The Underground Bunker is also pretty good with an easily navigated archive section.

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  17. Peggy L says

    August 23, 2020 at 10:48 am

    Join the Sea Org because misery loves company! Seriously. And please bring some Tpaper and maybe some healthy snacks.

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    • Briget says

      August 23, 2020 at 5:32 pm

      And, apparently, cigarettes. Lots and lots and lots of cigarettes. And maybe some laundry soap.

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  18. Joe Pendleton says

    August 23, 2020 at 10:42 am

    I suspect that people HAVE come back … But as is usual when one comes back, having no recall of the last life.

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    • Scicrit says

      August 23, 2020 at 11:08 am

      So what is the practical difference between ‘coming back’ having lost everything that made you what you were (your memories) and being dead?

      It’s a distinction without a difference.

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      • Loosing my Religion says

        August 23, 2020 at 1:02 pm

        Good question. This is the tricky scam of scn. The idea that you can came back keeping the ego you had (and got inmedesimate with) of the previous life.
        When I say ego I mean all the ideas about me, my life, things I own etc that say “that’s me!”
        Life has no identity nor a way to be labeled. Life is a continuous ‘now’. You can’t be now what you were before. Just Life comes back not the ego. The ego dies every lifetime. All scn attention is on the ego not on the rel life essence. Because there is nothing to improve there. Life is just Life. Hope have been clear.

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        • Scicrit says

          August 26, 2020 at 3:37 pm

          I am a quite thorough materialist. One life, then you are gone.

          I think Hubbard implicitly promises that it’s ‘you’ who comes back and I don’t think that’s meaningful if everything that makes youre personality is not accessible when you ‘return. You are, for all intents and purposes an new person.

          I would say that lives end when a persons body fails them, and new lives begin with the birth of new bodies.

          Even if you think that the ‘soul’ moves from one body to another, if you don’t bring what you were with you that also involves a death (of personality) and a new life.so that belief makes no difference.

          I think we agree here, but I’m not quite sure 🙂

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          • LoosingMyReligion says

            August 26, 2020 at 8:35 pm

            Thank you Scicrit. Yes. My concept is simply this:
            One is just consciousness. He is awareness, He is not his mind (that tries to make him believe he his his own experiences) nor a soul as usually described because it would be a form of labelling. He is just Life, conscious of the current now but at the same time part of a all. You can call it God, Life, Not Manifest etc, it expresses through you. The concept of soul is still an extention of the ego making one to hope to not fully die. So we can agree that I am a bit materialist too. Lol.

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        • jim rowles says

          August 26, 2020 at 4:33 pm

          Beautifully written

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          • LoosingMyReligion says

            August 26, 2020 at 8:39 pm

            Thank you Jim!

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        • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

          August 27, 2020 at 12:23 am

          Excuse me, LmR, but what did “inmedesimate” mean in your last post? I struck out trying to figure out what you meant to say.

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          • LoosingMyReligion says

            August 27, 2020 at 5:23 pm

            Jere please excuse me. It is my Italian funny English. I meant “identify oneself”. Sorry.

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            • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

              August 28, 2020 at 12:41 pm

              LmR, your English is far better than my Italian; or German or French, both of which I was supposedly taught about 50 years ago. Italian? There are a couple of words which have snuck into English vernacular somehow. I can’t even ask where the bathroom is in another language.

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      • Jere Lull (40 years recovering says

        August 23, 2020 at 1:46 pm

        scicrit, You’re of course right, but there ARE a few who claim/imagine that they’e been in scn/dn before and are past life ‘clears’. I’ve always thought those were delusions, but HEY, if it makes them feel good(gives an FN, who am I to invalidate them? Only DM can do that, don’cha know., and before that, Tubby with those two impossible “incidents” of oat tea 3 through 8.

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        • mwesten says

          August 23, 2020 at 6:28 pm

          It’s odd they can remember their social status in an exorbitantly-priced sci-fi therapy cult but nothing so mundane as their name or address. Not their org, what their auditor looked like or where they buried their Mark V, or anything else significant enough to help verify their claims.

          You can date/locate being zapped, gazillions of years into the farthest reaches of the universe…but not when you attested to clear half a century ago. Weird. You’d think this would be rather useful to know, what with the wealth of personal data the CoS keeps on file.

          On a separate note, has anyone remembered being a BT yet? They must have emancipated hundreds of millions of those blighters. Where are they? What kind of bridge do they get? You’d think there’d be a few back by now, clamouring for service.

          It’s so odd. 🤔

          It’s almost as if the whole thing is bollocks.

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          • Rip Van Winkle says

            August 24, 2020 at 9:11 am

            I was so dismayed to learn how to Date Locate.

            Nooo!!. Every time I BDFN way before getting into details!

            I had a lovely hazy fantasy all about last lifetime and auditing Book One. I wanted my address!

            All nonsense, of course.

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          • Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass ( who else would make a comment like this). says

            August 24, 2020 at 5:01 pm

            When I did the CCRD in 1996 the auditor asked what process I went Clear on. I came up with “Advanced Procedure” which sounded like BS to me. I was working in the Advanced Organization at FSO at the time so what was I saying; that I went Clear on Ned for OTs? The auditor Date Located the time I went Clear and came up with July 5th 1952 in Wichita KS. I later learned that the book”Advanced Procedure and Axioms came out in Wichita not long before that and “Advanced Procedure is a process or series of processes that Clear people.
            (Continued)

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          • Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass ( who else would make a comment like this). says

            August 24, 2020 at 5:24 pm

            (continued)
            So, lets assume for a moment that all of those reading this are correct and that this past life stuff is all bullshit.
            Fine.
            So what is really going on here? How is it that anyone could convince anyone that these things are true? Are you good people really that stupid that you could be conned into believing stuff that unbelieveable? And I certainly do not claim that the ” Tech” is 100% unfalliable.
            Case in point is on LOC the second dynamic was redefined as “Creativity”.
            For me, as I told the sup that I had no 2D at the time that meant that the 2D was machine parts that I produced in the Freewinds Machine Shop. Making a Clay Representation of that made me want to Self-Terminate. In my humble opinion I believe that LRH came up with some good tech. Certainly none of you who say that he did not has come up with any.

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            • mwesten says

              August 24, 2020 at 10:21 pm

              “The auditor Date Located the time I went Clear and came up with July 5th 1952 in Wichita KS.”

              Okay, great. Very specific. So did you ask to be provided with a list of people who went clear in Wichita, on that exact same date? If not, why not?

              “So what is really going on here? How is it that anyone could convince anyone that these things are true?”

              How long have you been out of the CoS? In the time since you’ve left, you’ve never thought to research the psychology of religious faith, of suggestion, misdirection, conditioning, cognitive bias, social compliance, or the placebo effect? If not, I most certainly recommend you do.

              “I believe that LRH came up with some good tech. Certainly none of you who say that he did not has come up with any.”

              Appeal to accomplishment. Add logic to the list.

              I agree there is some therapeutic value to scientology. But it is also a path to delusion. Its workability relies on the rejection of reason, on expectation, faith and the placebo effect.

              To what degree are you willing to diverge from reason to obtain benefit?

              The answers you find may well be of use but how will you know, assuming you care, if they’re based in reality?

              If you don’t care then surely my opinion is irrelevant, no? It’s just faith. There are 4000 religious paths to choose from. You’ve rejected 3999 of them. And I’m rejecting one more. That’s all.

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              • Rip Van Winkle says

                August 25, 2020 at 8:51 am

                This reply is helpful to me.

                Thank you.

              • Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass ( who else would make a comment like this). says

                August 30, 2020 at 11:14 am

                Thank you for rebuttal, sir. There are a few problems with it.
                First, Th Wichita organization would not know that I went Clear on that date, I only found out in 1996 when I did the CCRD.
                However, I do know the current lifetime name of the auditor who was in the SO at Flag.
                I talked to her on the phone on 2005 and she originated that she remembers me from that lifetime at that time and place. We are no longer in comm as I have been declared for commenting on this blog. I have another past life auditing cycle which I have told earlier on this blog. If that one was bullshit I probably would have died in 1990.

          • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

            August 27, 2020 at 12:26 am

            MWestin offered:
            “It’s almost as if the whole thing is bollocks.”

            ALMOST!?

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      • Joe Pendleton says

        August 23, 2020 at 11:23 pm

        Your possessions are not what makes you who you are. You would still be the same spiritual being.

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        • Scicrit says

          August 26, 2020 at 3:50 pm

          I agree that your possessions are irrelevant to your identity. I don’t think I suggested otherwise.

          What I’ms saying is that I don’t see the point of theorising the existance of a ‘spritual being’ (AKA soul) when

          a) There is no way to demonstrate the existence of such a thing

          b) If your life starts anew every incarnation, without your memories, ‘you’ are still dead. What you were is gone, so the ‘spiritual’ part makes no practical difference.

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          • Jere Lull (40 years recovering says

            August 27, 2020 at 12:30 am

            Scicrit, Tubby/scientology didn’t theorize anything. He said it’s so and we’re supposed to take just his word for it, no proof offered or required.

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        • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

          August 28, 2020 at 12:56 pm

          No, possessions MIGHT NOT be what/who you are, but they give an indication of how good you are at “THE GAME”. ‘Course, Hubbard’s game was how many slaves he could accumulate. Guess he did okay at that though he never did seem to be satisfied with his lifetime accomplishments at the end.

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    • jere Lull *40 years recovering says

      August 23, 2020 at 12:17 pm

      Or, I think more likely, any who came back instinctively stayed well away or didn’t make themselves known — flying UTR.

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    • grisianfarce says

      August 23, 2020 at 3:10 pm

      They’ve spent years remembering their past lives, and training how to come back, and yet no one has.

      I’d go as far to say no one has ever proved their remembered past lives were real – either unprovable details or demonstrably false details. All those treasure hunts Hubbard took the Apollo crew on were a bust.

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      • jim rowles says

        August 23, 2020 at 7:26 pm

        I remember reading “Have you lived before this life’ and all of the ’emptyhandedness’.

        I also had the thought that hubbard did not even prep the locations to impress others. oh well. I guess his smarts went in other paths.

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        • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

          August 27, 2020 at 12:34 am

          Jim, Hubbard realized that science was never his strong point, even as much as he asserted his being an engineer or scientist of some sort.

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    • Formost says

      August 24, 2020 at 2:47 pm

      A lifetime can be found in the haystack of OT 7 & 8 if there’s any charge on it. Bits and pieces of memory here and there after OT 8, but not of any use as the education is lost. I’m not sure, but I believe most analytical memories are lost with the death of the body. Hubbard said you “forget” when you enter a new body. I wouldn’t care less who I was last lifetime, but I’m not happy about the loss of data and knowledge. Why relearn everything all over again each lifetime … it’s a nuisance.

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      • Jere Lull (40 years recovering) says

        August 28, 2020 at 1:06 pm

        Agree Foremost, it’s a real PITA to have to re-learn EVERYTHING every lifetime. ‘course, newborns’ brains can’t deal with that much data, so there has to be data loss. But wouldn’t it be Kewl if we could start next lifetime with everything we know now? Nawwh! that would mean Tubby plagiarized SOMEthing right, and I’m not sure I want to give him that.

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        • Formost says

          August 29, 2020 at 5:10 pm

          One of the biggest benefits of remembering your past life knowledge would be to NOT EVER get caught up in the CO$ again.

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Important Articles

Dealing With Scientology Critics - L Ron Hubbard Playbook
The Real Story About Disconnection
To Speak Or Not To Speak
Shelly Miscavige Guarded By Armed PIs
Debbie Cook's New Years Email
On David Miscavige's Behavior
Miscavige's Behavior Part 2
A Letter From Garcia

Important Quotes

If the org slumps during this transition period, don't engage in "fund raising" or "selling postcards" or borrowing money. Just make more income with Scientology. L Ron Hubbard From HCOPL URGENT ORG PROGRAMMING
"We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material and so forth, and it keeps growing. But that’s not important. When buildings get important to us, for God sakes, some of you born revolutionists will you please blow up central headquarters". L Ron Hubbard Lecture 31 Dec 1960
"Personal integrity is knowing what you know. What you know is what you know and to have the courage to know and say what you have observed".- LRH from Personal Integrity
"It is necessary to happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists of professing to believe what he does not believe." Thomas Paine
“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” - Martin Luther King
“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” - Martin Luther King
“There comes a time when silence is betrayal.” - Martin Luther King Jr.
“Communication is the universal solvent” - L Ron Hubbard
“When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.” Thomas Paine
"Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world would do this, it would change the earth." William Faulkner
"The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual's own reason and critical analysis." Dalai Lama

Important Reading

Troublemaker - Leah Remini
Ruthless - Ron Miscavige
Going Clear - Lawrence Wright
Bare Faced Messiah - Russell Miller
Counterfeit Dreams - Jeff Hawkins
Blown For Good - Marc Headley
Abuse at the Top - Amy Scobee
Unbreakable Miss Lovely - Tony Ortega
The Church of Fear - John Sweeney
Fair Game - Steve Cannane
Inside Scientology - Janet Reitman
Jenna Miscavige - Beyond Belief
My Billion Year Contract
Ron the War Hero - Chris Owen

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