OK, these people claim to have the “only workable technology” of management, sales, PR, marketing, personnel and anything else you can think of.
If this promotional piece and their accompanying video represents the pinnacle of what they’ve got…
This looks like it was put together in an 8th grade computer class.
These are the experts?
They actually do believe that because they have some scribbling from Hubbard that says it is “the only workable technology of ______” that it’s true.
But what is even more remarkable is that they then offer their expertise up to the world and it is undeniable proof they haven’t got a clue. One thing for sure, they will not be taking over the planet through WISE.
The only thing they bring to the game is teaching dentists and chiropractors how to sell extended “programs” that you pay for in advance. It is patterned on the hard-sell techniques of scientology registration. And it does increase income for many of these practices while it destroys their kindness and humanity towards their patients. Everything becomes about the sale.
MythVision Podcast
This was one of my favorite interviews. One of the hosts is from my hometown of Adelaide, Australia. The other is in North Carolina. Go figure? They were a lot of fun and I think interesting. Great guys.
Give it a watch.
Skyler23 says
Just take a good long look at the picture of the lady in the ad for the college workbooks. She looks like a secretary or some other kind of office worker sitting at a desk. Just look at that big sparkling smile and those glasses that no “Clear” is supposed to need.
What message are these people trying to portray with this smiling lady? Most of the people who are in this cult that I’ve seen do not look like they get to see a dentist on a regular basis. Their teeth may not look diseased. But they sure don’t seem to sparkle and appear to be blindingly light. Hubbard’s teeth never looked like that.
I just wonder what kind of a message are they hoping to send to people reading this ad. I know they tell the reader to click on some link. Most people who are knowledgeable in computer security make it pretty clear that one should never click on any link posted by someone they do not know or do not trust – especially if the people posting that link have a reputation for being less than 100% trustworthy. I would never click on any link these people tell me to visit. NEVER! EVER! EVER!
As I understand it, people can mess you up real badly if you click on some link they provide. I think it’s very similar to running an “.EXE” file that someone tells you to click on. That is a terrible mistake. That “.EXE” file can do almost anything to your PC. It can erase or corrupt all your files. It can make a copy of all your files and send them to someone you would never want to see your files.
I would suggest that anytime a cult runs an ad and tells you to click on a link or run an “.EXE” file, you should make it real well known to everyone you can that is a very bad idea and they should never ever click on those things offered by a criminal cult. Nothing good is likely to result. At least that is my opinion.
Mw says
The video looks like someone on Fiverr made it.
Diane says
I’m obviously going to be out numbered but
I liked the podcast.
It move quickly, had a different set of questions than the normal set of questions and It seemed like Mike enjoyed himself.
And, the ‘normal’ always asked questions were asked in a slightly different way resulting in a slightly different focus to the answer.
Overall, I thought it was cool
Skyler23 says
Hello Diane.
Are you referring to Mike & Leah’s weekly “Fair Game” podcast? Or are you referring to the Youtube video shown above titled, “Scamology Must Go”!
I found there was a world of difference between the two.
I’m guessing the podcast you liked was the weekly “Fair Game” podcast hosted by Mike & Leah whereas most of the people who are complaining about a video are referring to the video hosted by two fellows named David and Derek and they had Mike Rinder on as a guest. I think that is the video that people have been unhappy with.
GL says
I know the names of the two distressed businesses, they were –
I. M. Knot Reel.
N. Onexi Stent Partners.
$camalotofcashology has worked with hundreds and hundreds of such companies and businesses over the years and one day they might even get good enough to work with a real company with real people.
Yes, use the Hubbard College of Administration International today. Where we smile even as we bleed your bank accounts dry and try to turn you into a $camalotofcashology Sheepbot and then take every cent we can get from you that we missed before. No extra eight credit cards is too hard to get and what’s a few mortgages on your house when your future and your very soul is at stake.
Todd Cray says
You really want to learn “business communication skills” from someone who writes like this? Who thinks that you create a sense of urgency or even excitement about a product by talking about “very this” and “very that” three times in as many sentences? And adds an amateurish cartoon as a bonus, just in case you weren’t questioning their competence already?
You want to learn about hiring from an organization that was under investigation for human trafficking? That has hired SP whistleblowers into top positions despite claiming that they have the “tech” to know what you’ll be thinking before even you do? Whose CEO has been credibly accused by numerous employees of physical violence against them? A guy in hiding from process servers? Whose employment practices have only been sustainable (so far, anyway) by abusing religious exemption, including the visa process? Do you really wish to join the group of employers who have had to endure scrutiny and pay out settlements over forcing employees into “religious” classes as a condition of employment?
An organization whose PR efforts have backed them into a corner where they have become the brunt of the joke whenever a late-night comedian needs an easy laugh for the opening monologue? An organization whose brand is so reviled that they need to sell their wares anonymously or through front groups and use strong-arm robbery techniques on those who’ve already been trapped into doing business with them?
Is your business model to preside over an expensive building where customers stay away in droves? Do you enjoy yanking your ribbon while mistaking this for making a great splash in your community?
Would you really like to receive your education from a college named after a bar-stool expert whose claim to fame was that he couldn’t even pass freshman college classes himself? And nevertheless passed himself off as a college graduate, even a PhD?
If you answered “yes” to even one or two of these questions, don’t bother paying these grifters for their “advices.” Your business is doomed anyhow. You may well be on the fast track to indictment even without their help!
Then again, if you really wish to pick up even more momentum on the road to doom, rejoice: Now you know whom to call. The wise guys will be quick to answer their phones; it’s not like too many others are calling. Pro tip: For their even more undivided attention, call them on a Thursday before 2 pm.
otherles says
Hubbard’s “technology of management” should be learned as an example of what NOT to do.
Skyler23 says
After watching and listening to this video, I have a feeling or prediction about Shelly. People would have to watch this video themselves to come to their own conclusion.
But from what I know about prisoners who are confined to solitary confinement for long periods of time, someone who is kept in solitary confinement for the remainder of their lives would almost certainly find a way to suicide after a number of years.
Therefore, regardless of what happens to the TWERP or when it happens, my feeling is no one will ever hear from Shelly or hear about Shelly ever again. She will simply disappear into the annals of history. She will likely die in solitary confinement – one way or another. But it’s almost impossible for anyone to survive the crushing loneliness of permanent solitary confinement for more than just a few years.
Consequently, I believe the odds are overwhelming that Shelly will die in her solitary confinement and the circumstances of her death will never be made public. It will just remain a mystery forever.
I really hope that I’m wrong about this. I would love to see her escape somehow. But my guess is that is almost impossible.
S. Moore says
Watching the above interview with Mike was painful. Not because of Mike or Derek, but because David never seemed to be tracking the conversation and was constantly interjecting to totally change the subject just as Mike was getting to a point. I finally had to abandon it, fairly early on, when as Mike was describing his cognitive dissonance when telling John Sweeney there was no abuse by Miscavige, David suddenly asked how Miscavige’s successor would be named and if Mike had ever put himself forward for this job. Huh?????? It seemed a waste of Mike’s time that this guy wasn’t paying any attention. The hallmark of a good interviewer is someone who LISTENS. This guy was somewhere else. A disappointment.
Skyler23 says
I am amazed because those were my exact thoughts when watching this video. I think that I felt much more strongly about Derek than David. Derek was the fellow pictured in the upper right corner of the video.
Every time he spoke, he sounded a lot like Donald Duck and he spoke a very brief sentence that seemed to me was just an attempt at some kind of a cartoonish joke that made little or no sense and the entire video would have been much better if he was not involved at all.
I truly wish that they would have just let Mike speak because David just interrupted Mike and it caused him to go off topic for a few minutes and it was a real disruption and waste of time.
I now realize that I could go on for a very long time complaining about the two other people who kept interrupting Mike. I believe the video would have been much better if those two guys were not present at all.
Unfortunately, I often feel the same way whenever Mike participates in some video or Podcast. I would like to hear what Mike has to say. But for the most part … the other participants just tend to disrupt and make noise and degrade the quality of the video. I have never heard of a podcast or video chat that just involved a single person. But for almost all the videos that have included Mike, I thing they would be very much better if Mike appeared solo. Maybe that could be called a “Solocast”? There must be a name for a one-person video podcast.
Mike always has a lot to say and what he says is very informative and interesting and great. The other people involved just tend to mess it up. I know this opinion will not be very popular. But it took me a long time to realize this. I don’t really understand it. But I’d really like to hear Mike put out a “solo” account describing his personal history and his history in this cult.
Smoore says
This ^^^
Skyler23 says
The above video was indeed very painful to watch for many reasons. One of the biggest reasons had to do with Shelly. If there are any police or district attorneys reading this, I would very much like to make the point that Shelly will very likely just disappear into history and will never be heard from again. Someone who is being kept in solitary confinement can usually only survive the crushing loneliness for a relatively short time before they go nuts or they suicide. In either case, my guess is that what ever happens to Shelly, it will be kept absolutely secret and no one will ever hear of Shelly ever again.
Regardless of how this cult claims to deserve religious protection, this has to be one of the biggest crimes I can imagine. To take some lady and stash her away in solitary confinement forever, such that no one ever hears from her again and no one ever learns what happens to her, must be a terrible crime. Even a number of terrible crimes – including kidnapping. false imprisonment, unlawful confinement, cruel and unusual punishment and the list just goes on and on.
If you have any police presence or authority or you are a member of the District Attorney’s office or you know someone who is in either position, I would beg you to please tell them about this crime. It is a terrible crime – a monstrous crime and regardless of the so-called religious protections, there must be a way to bring this thing to light and get Shelly out of her prison and get her to appear before a judge. I think the legal term is “Habeas Corpus”. There must be a way to get a Habeas Corpus for Shelly. She disappeared in 2007. So that is 14 years now that Shelly has been falsely imprisoned.
Surely someone reading this must know of some way to get her out and to appear before a judge?
Real says
Skyler23 without evidence (ask an attorney what the legal definition is of that word) no judge can do anything.
Gareth says
…. and maybe the Milgram experiment.
Gareth says
In the podcast I think you were conflating the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Asch Conformity Experiment.
Ammo Alamo says
Anyone who actually thinks Scientology is a religion or a church has not been paying attention. It is, to adopt another acronym, a RINO, that is, a Religion In Name Only.
Hubbard wavered on the religion choice, saying something to the effect that it was just a smokescreen for tax purposes. It is not difficult to understand how Scientology went from the 1958 court ruling that reversed the initial religion exemption because Scientology was a “business, a profit-making organization run by Hubbard for his personal enrichment” to an organization made sacrosanct as a Religion by the 1993 IRS choice to give them a tax exemption. They did it by following Hubbard’s Fair Game tactics, which included over 2500 lawsuits, and other harassments.
Of course, marriage, gay or straight, is a liability in Scientology anyway. There is nothing that should be placed higher than allegiance to Miscavige and Hubbard, not a husband or wife, not children, and I would also say not the family dog, except how in the heck can you feed a dog on an irregular $15 a week salary?
Mary Kahn says
Really enjoyed the Podcast. I pretty much know your story but I always love hearing the remarks from the host(s). Sometimes, as in this time, their remarks add clarity to a cult mindset phenomenon.
It’s also interesting to me how one seems to “get it” as regards scientology and its trappings or abuse if they have been through some personal hardship, as in this case drug addiction and Jehovah’s Witness.
mat pesch says
Wow, that video presentation was TERRIBLE. Actually physically uncomfortable to watch. I was curious and intended to watch it but I had to stop. I couldn’t take it anymore. Makes me think that Miscavige personally oversaw its production. After all he did closely oversee the production of “Battlefield Earth” and thought he and the movie were BRILLIANT until the general public labeled it as one of the worst movies ever. To be fair the general public never watched the garbage Hubbard produced.
Loosing my Religion says
Mat I totally agree. From a marketing point of view it sucks. After 10/15 seconds one has already had enough. Then it is also slow. It does not seem survey-based as it does not seem to answer or anticipate the real questions or points of interest that can stimulate the target type of market in which it would like to create interest. It simply tells you what it thinks it must be interesting for you.
For me is a flunk!
Skyler23 says
Yes Mat. There is likely much truth to that. I have heard that Conan O’Brian is planning to sue that so-called “Pope” for infringement on his name.
Conan is extremely angry. “What right does that SOB have cashing in on my fame by calling himself COB and stealing my fame and my name? That really pisses me off!”
“It’s SOB – not COB!”
Skyler23 says
P.S. I am very sorry but I just couldn’t resist the temptation to make a bad joke from Conan O’Brian’s initials – COB – and see if people would realize that the TWERP likes to be referred to as COB – but it has nothing to do with Conan. It was a very weak joke but I couldn’t resist the opportunity to try and inject some humor into this discussion because it was getting very serious.
Mary Kahn says
Okay. I was just going to highlight “Makes me think that Miscavige personally oversaw its production.” cuz it cracked me up but then I read on and the whole thing is hilarious – even though true. Always enjoy your take on all things scientology.
mat pesch says
Thanks!
Skyler23 says
The best thing about the video was hearing the TWERP sounding like Donald Duck. I wish that everytime he spoke, he sounded exactly like that.
It was delicious, delightful and delectible. It can be found approx at the 37:45 min mark and I highly recommend you invest a couple of minutes to hear this. It will give you a lot of enjoyment.
Real says
These people are incredibly stupid. Example: If someone touted to the world that their company had the ONLY workable Computer security technology and NO known legit entity of any size used them they would be laughed at, if noticed at all.
ISNOINews says
O/T. I posted about this the other day, but it was buried in a long post about Scientology and sexual orientation generally. I believe that it deserves emphasis and its own post. I also have additional observations.
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The Church of Scientology admits that it does not perform gay weddings.
The Church of Scientology says:
https://twitter.com/Scientology/status/1084947089967046658
“We don’t discriminate for reasons of sex, however there is no service in the Church available for such a wedding. Gay parishioners traditionally marry in civic (sic) court and are welcomed at Church services.”
Some observations:
The Church of Scientology obviously says that it is a church.
The Church of Scientology says that Scientology is a religion.
A traditional function of churches is to perform weddings and to provide religious recognition to the resulting marriages.
The Church of Scientology says that sexual orientation is not a criteria for membership in the Church, and indicates that they do not discriminate against gay people.
The Church of Scientology says that it cannot perform gay weddings because “there is no service in the Church available for such a wedding.”
Seriously? The Church of Scientology cannot create a new “service” for gay weddings, or adapt an existing “service?”
Because Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard did not create a gay wedding service, the Church of Scientology is forever foreclosed from doing so?
If the above is true, how can gay people trust that Scientology has in fact moved on from what L. Ron Hubbard wrote and taught about them?
How can the Church of Scientology say that it does not discriminate against gay people when it performs weddings for heterosexual couples, providing religious recognition to such marriages, but refuses to perform weddings for gay couples, thus denying such marriages religious recognition?
Have you ever heard of a church or religion say we don’t discriminate against gay people, they just have to get married in a civil ceremony?
Have you ever imagined a church that would WANT their parishioners who are in compliance with church law and doctrine to get married in a civil ceremony, instead of getting married in the church?
I find the response by the Church of Scientology to be truly bizarre. The Church of Scientology welcomes gay members, but doesn’t have a wedding ceremony for them and refuses to create one? What?
Background Information:
VIDEO: Why You Can’t Be Gay In Scientology.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_-lkYwv-nHQ
Scientology Homophobia
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-homophobia/
Scientology’s Homophobia: Even the Church’s Token Gay Guy Was Disgusted
https://www.villagevoice.com/2012/09/02/scientologys-homophobia-even-the-churchs-token-gay-guy-was-disgusted/
Memorialized on ESMBR and Instagram at:
https://exscn2.net/threads/the-church-of-scientology-admits-that-it-does-not-perform-gay-weddings.3110/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CObBziIJo2P/
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Real says
ISNOINews, the premise of your argument is highly flawed I’m afraid. The Catholic church doesn’t perform same sex marriages. Although they are not prohibited from worshiping. Innumerable Christian churches across the land also do not perform such weddings but don’t bar gays from attendance. This isn’t an argument for or against. Best to come up with an argument that has teeth and doesn’t rely on a false premise. Like presenting Hubbard’s insane writings about homosexuality and his claim that young children who don’t accept sexual advances from adults are wrong headed in their rejecting such pedophile advances.
ISNOINews says
The difference is that the Catholic church and other Christian churches do not try to mislead gay people into believing that their church does not discriminate against gay people in any way. The Church of Scientology does. Except for this one slipup regarding gay wedding ceremonies in the reply tweet quoted above, the Church of Scientology has recently tried to convince gay people that they can fully and equally participate in all Scientology religious services without discrimination. Other churches don’t do that.
I’ve written about that here at least two times previously and memorialized the evidence on ESMBR:
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The Church of Scientology says it “has no position on sexual orientation.” We have questions.
https://exscn2.net/threads/the-church-of-scientology-says-sexual-orientation-is-not-a-criteria-for-membership-in-the-church-we-have-questions.3088/
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The Church of Scientology says: “Sexual orientation is not a criteria for membership in the Church.” We have questions.
https://exscn2.net/threads/the-church-of-scientology-says-sexual-orientation-is-not-a-criteria-for-membership-in-the-church-we-have-questions.3088/
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In any event, both the fact that the Church of Scientology refuses to perform gay weddings and the reason for their refusal (i.e., that Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard did not create such a ceremony and as a result the Church of Scientology is apparently forever prohibited from doing so) are newsworthy.
Finally, as for “presenting Hubbard’s insane writings about homosexuality,” that is what the “Background Information” noted in my OP is for.
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Real says
Scientology DOES say it discriminates against gays. It won’t marry them and says so. It WILL take their money and put them on the bridge to total bankruptcy. Your argument is flawed as I stated. Don’t waste your energy on something that can be logically deconstructed.
ISNOINews says
First, the Church of Scientology does NOT admit that it discriminates against gay people. The tweet I quoted in the OP literally says: “We don’t discriminate for reasons of sex” (meaning sexual orientation). It then goes on to tacitly assert that their refusal to conduct gay weddings is not a meaningful or significant form of discrimination. I am simply pointing out that that is incorrect, and why.
Second, the tweet I quoted in the OP was made on 1/14/19. The Church of Scientology made just that one tweet, and (as far as I can tell) just that one statement anywhere on the web, where they deigned to disclose the truth that gay weddings are prohibited in Scientology.
In the two years since the 2019 tweet, the Church of Scientology’s repeated and standard response to questions about the status of gay people in the church has been:
https://twitter.com/Scientology/status/1085380137669976064
Question:
“@Scientology so, I am gay. Am I welcome in your organization?”
Response by the Church of Scientology:
“Yes. Sexual orientation is not a criteria for membership in the Church. The first statement in the Creed of the Church of Scientology is that “All men of whatever race, color or creed were created with equal rights.”
When a gay person asks whether they will be welcome and the Church of Scientology’s response is to say that “Sexual orientation is not a criteria for membership in the Church” and to talk about “equal rights,” the clear and intended implication is that gay people will be treated equally — i.e., without discrimination. The reference to “equal rights” in response to such a question is deliberately misleading. I resurrected the 2019 tweet to document one instance where the implication of equal, non-discriminatory treatment is demonstrably false.
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mat pesch says
As a Sea Org member, a homosexual THOUGHT is enough to be sent away for years in their North Korea style labor camps for mental rehabilitation. Scientology calls it the Rehabilitation Project Force or RPF. When I was on the RPF in Clearwater in 2005 there was a man and a woman who had both been assigned due to homosexual THOUGHTS which were discovered during interrogations. Scientology calls its interrogations “Security Checks” and routinely forces both staff and Scientology public to submit to them. FACT.
Real says
mat, I was in earlier that what you are talking about mat. Why do SO members allow that kind of abuse? I would have walked before taking any of that kind of crap.
Any insight into that? I mean that even violates Hubbard’s F.O.’s on the RPF by a million miles. The SO member should at least say F U based on that.
PeaceMaker says
Real, the two main things I see are that nowadays RPFers are apt to be in more remote or heavily guarded situations, and more likely to have family ties that leave them afraid of blowing. Hubbard threw people in chain lockers and then even prevented them from leaving the ships, going so far as to track them down if they did get off and if necessary lie to the authorities to get them brought back, so I don’t see how what’s going on now is that much different from old practices, except that there was a time between the end of the project at sea and the circling of int base with barbed wire and motion detectors when it was somewhat easier for someone determined to escape.
Hopefully Mat answers, but I thought I’d offer my observer perspective.
Real says
Peacemaker, I was in the SO. I was in unknown locations. If anyone had tried to throw me in a chain locker I would have beat their brains out with the nearest blunt object (even if it had been Tubby). Or, simply with fists, knees, etc. I had family in. That’s the reason for the question. It makes no sense that people willingly allow themselves to be abused like that. It’s almost Darwin Award candidate realm of behavior. Anyone here that would have submitted?
Mary Kahn says
Mental Torment. The E-meter and “Security Checks” weren’t so bad for me in the beginning but something happened that was different (at least for me), the E-Meter and Security Checks became weaponized and then it became a form of mental torture and abuse.
mwesten says
The CoS welcomes the pink pound, nothing more.
Those tweets are as “acceptable” as they dare for external PR purposes. Better to imply Hubbard was a product of his time than actually state it outright. Not only is it a tech degrade and a high crime but it’s an admission of Hubbard’s fallibility and throws doubt on the entire subject.
The double ring ceremony only requires a change of pronouns, nothing else. Far too much effort for an institution that prioritises MEST over theta.
Doctrine regarding thetans and the whole track is incredibly inclusive at its core. But because both Hubbard and DM have O/Ws on willies, a cruel, dehumanising and discriminatory dogma prevails.
Just another example of the topsy-turvy, contradictory world of scientology.